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drama on the house floor this morning, brianna. over a procedural vote, which really underscores how each and every step of this spending bill will face its hurdles and certainly why republican leaders are essentially sweating through every step that the bill must take between now and midnight on friday. there was some drama over procedural vote in the house this morning, basically a rule to get on to the bill. some drama whether that will go forward, but that essentially did pass through by a vote of 211-207 in the house, which means they can move on to the bill and cast their votes on this spending bill. that bodes well for this bill likely getting through the house, then sent over to the senate where as we have been reporting in recent days, there it gets tricky too. we have certain degree of -- senator rand paul is not being clear what he intends to do, whether he will essentially stand in the way, procedurally of this bill from going forward as he did back in february with
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the last spending bill. he has the ability to essentially push this past the midnight deadline, though the votes are here in the senate to ultimately get it through. what is in this bill, over 2,000 pages long, 1.3 trillion in spending, and includes money for the defense department, infrastructure, the opioid crisis, the fix nics background check bill, which improves the existing background checks system, but certainly falls very short of those sweeping gun control measures that many democrats wanted. also improves money for border security, money for the new construction of border fencing, but falls short of president trump's goal of funding the border wall. a lot left on the table as well, this bill does not address daca, doesn't address the health care market stabilization bill. s a lot of concerns too, the fact that many lawmakers did not have time to read all 2,000 pages in this bill. the fact that it was just posted late last night and they have to pass this through by midnight on friday. but, again, brianna, this kind
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of skirmish on the house floor, drama over the procedural vote, really underscores the tract this vote has to go through where every step of the way is going to be a little uncertainty and certainly a lot of grumbling from many lawmakers they didn't have time and passing this through really quickly. >> grumbling will be the name of the game. i think you're right. sunlen serfaty on capitol hill for us. at the white house, president trump will unveil new tariffs on chinese goods coming into the u.s. and beijing is jabbing right back with new threats to retaliate. much of the world is watching as the threat of a global trade war rattles nerves and also markets as you can see. this morning, the dow tumbling out of the gate, dropping more than 300 points in the opening minutes. cnn's kaitlan collins at the white house for us. what do we know about these tariffs? >> reporter: the president is set to sign these in the next hour or so at the white house. it is at least $50 billion in tariffs and penalties and the white house says this is in response to years of technology
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and trade secret theft from china and pressure on the u.s. to give them those trade secrets and technology secrets in order to do business in their markets. this doesn't come as much of a surprise here at the white house because the president time and time again on the campaign trail promised to be very tough on china. at times threatening to label the currency manipulator once going to into office and to be clear, these are much more politically popular on capitol hill than those steel and aluminum tariff imports on imports he imposed in recent weeks. but the question here is what impacts does this have? you can see the market there, but also china is threatening to retaliate depending on what exactly comes out in this, in the wash here at 12 when the president does sign these. this comes as the president, as you know, is negotiating a sit-down with the north korean dictator kim jong-un, something he's going to need the chinese's help on. what impact does this have on
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the u.s./china relationship? does it contribute to the relationship at all or does it fray that relationship here, brianna? >> he has perhaps this fight that is going to start with china. he's also -- he also has, kaitlan, this other fight going on, on twitter, with the former vice president joe biden. let's listen first to what biden said the other day that really got president trump's attention. >> when a guy who ended up coming on national -- i can grab her anywhere she likes it, and then said i made a mistake, they asked me would i like to debate the gentleman, i said, no -- >> i mean, when you heard that, kaitlan you knew that this wasn't going to be unanswered by president trump. what is he saying? >> reporter: certainly not. he does not forget the smallest slight, he didn't forget that one from joe biden. he responded on twitter saying
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crazy joe biden is trying to act like a tough guy, he's weak both mentally and physically and yet he threatens me for the second time with physical assault. he said he doesn't know me, would go down fast and hard crying all the way. don't threaten people, joe. so, brianna, we have something very fascinating here that does not often happen in washington where the president of the united states is threatening to beat up the former vice president of the united states, who threatened to beat him up, and these men are both in their 70s. this is never going to happen. it goes to speak to what kind of state washington is in right now, when this is what we're talking about and this is what the president is tweeting about on a day he's going to announce the tariffs, a lot of other things going on. this is where we are, brianna. >> you describe it in such plain language, exactly what it is, kaitlan, you almost can't help but roll your eyes a little bit. we do appreciate that. kaitlan collins, thank you so much. joining me now are cnn senior political analyst mark preston
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and senior political reporter nia malika henderson. let's start off where we left off. >> do we have to? >> i love how kaitlan did that. she just explained what it is. this is ridiculousness. >> it is ridiculousness. and it shows you where we are at this state in our political nature, i guess. you know, not only do we have really, really bad partisanship on capitol hill, republicans can't even -- barely able to get their own bills through the house of representatives. now you have this eighth grade shouting match back at each other. guess what, they're doing it over social media. it is almost like what i did with my children, day in and day out, and they're 12 and 13. >> okay. but it also makes me think if we're just going through this tiny little snippet of an episode here, watching this, joe biden is considering running for president. so then i think what would 2020 look like. >> this kind of back and forth schoolyard taunting, this is a
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fight, you know, the actual fight between two 70-year-olds. i wouldn't pay to see that. but -- >> you wouldn't pay to see that? i would pay a lot of money to see that. >> come on. >> yeah, we might see this in terms of them going at it in 2020. what is interesting here is that the idea for democrats in 2016 was when they go low, you know, democrats go high. this, you know, biden seems like if trump goes low, he's going to go low and maybe even lower. that would be an interesting matchup to see. he certainly is not taking the tactic that obama is taking, he doesn't really talk about donald trump -- doesn't say his name. he's there, threatening this guy, basically saying he beat him up. they were in the eighth grade. >> worth noting, joe biden, donald trump, two absolutely different gentlemen, grew up absolutely different, joe biden, the scrapper from pennsylvania, grew up in delaware, his father had to leave to go work and had -- you know, and then you have donald trump who grew up in
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a life of privilege. what you're seeing from joe biden is joe biden looking at him and there is a little bit of a privilege thing, a class war going on. >> and biden is saying he's the real deal, right? he's the real working class guy which is why obama wanted him on that ticket. he could talk to the working class white voters. >> let's talk about this move that is coming here shortly from the white house, where we're expecting tariffs on chinese goods. amid -- the reaction that we're seeing from china is clearly one indicating that they may be retaliating here. what is your expectation, mark, especially as there are big concerns that we're heading for a trade war. >> i say that, you know, i'm not the trade expert, i would suggest we watch what happens at the markets today, here in the united states, let's see what happens overnight and let's see what's going on around the world. i think you'll see some major, major concerns coming out of investors. >> do you think the white house is hearing this concern? very clearly the president campaigned on taking on trade issues, intellectual property,
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that's the reason that the white house is saying, look, china is ripping off intellectual property, this needs to be taken to task, there is questions about whether this is the right way to do it. these are things they talked about, promises he made, is the white house aware, there say difference between campaigning and governing, are they aware of the fallout of this? >> the people around trump, at this point, if you think about the people who aren't there anymore, gary cohn for instance, people like peter navarro seem to be on the same page and echoing the president's tough talk and action on this. the president said bring it on in terms of a trade war thinking america would ultimately win. that's to be determined. we don't know what china is going to do we don't know what this is going to do to the price of goods in america. that's where the kind of unknowns are and we'll see the markets, i guess, already down about 300 points. >> little over 300 points. >> worth noting, let's see what
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larry kudlow says. he's somebody who is not for trade wars. >> we'll see. mark preston, nia malika henderson, thank you to both of you. special counsel bob mueller has questions for president trump and cnn knows what they're about. we'll have details ahead. plus, cnn exclusive facebook founder and ceo mark zuckerberg finally breaking his silence on this massive data scandal that sparked serious backlash against the social network. he says he's really sorry and a whole lot more. is it enough, though? we'll have that next. (vo) make her day with just one touch. with fancy feast creamy delights, she can have just the right touch of real milk. easily digestible, it makes her favorite entrées even more delightful. fancy feast creamy delights.
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and great britain. cnn's senior tech correspondent laurie segall got this exclusive big interview and is joining us live from san francisco. tell us all about this, what did mark zuckerberg tell you? >> what a fascinating moment to go into facebook, it is almost historical with the type of pressure. by the way, everybody was waiting to hear from mark. everyone was saying where in the world is mark during this tough times. and i went to the office yesterday, i sat down with him, menlo park near facebook and, you know, he started out by saying i'm sorry. take a listen. >> this was a major breach of trust. and i'm really sorry that this happened. we have a basic responsibility to protect people's data. and if we can't do that, then we don't deserve to have the opportunity to serve people. so our responsibility now is to make sure that this doesn't happen again. >> lawmakers in the united states and the uk are asking you
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to testify. everybody wants you to show up. will you testify before congress? >> so the short answer is i'm happy to if it is the right thing to do. facebook testifies in congress regularly on a number of topics, some high profile and some not. and our objective is always to provide congress the extremely important job, to have the most information that they can. we see a small slice of activity on facebook. but congress gets to, you know, have access to the information across facebook and all other companies and the intelligence community and everything. so what we try to do is send the person at facebook who will have the most knowledge about what congress is trying to learn. so if that's me. then i am happy to go. >> given the stakes here, why shouldn't facebook be regulated? >> i actually am not sure we shouldn't be regulated. i think in general technology is
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an increasing -- increasingly important trend in the world and i actually think the question is more what is the right regulation rather than yes or no, should it be regulated? >> what is the right regulation? >> there is basic things, i think there is some big intellectual debates. on the basic side, you know, there are things like ads transparency regulation i would like to see. if you look at how much regulation there is around advertising, on tv, in print, just not clear why there should be less on the internet. should have the same level of transparency required. i don't know if a bill is going to pass. i know a couple of senators are working really hard on this. but we're committed and we actually already started rolling out ad transparency tools that accomplish most of the things in the bills that people are talking about today. we just think this is an important thing. people should know who is buying the ads that they see on facebook and should be able to go to any page and see the ads people are running to different
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audiences. >> do you think that bad actors are using facebook at this moment to meddle with the u.s. midterm elections? >> i'm sure someone is trying. i'm sure there is, you know, v 2, version 2 of whatever the russian effort was in 2016. i'm sure they're working on that and there will be new tactics that we need to make sure we observe and get in front of. >> do you know what -- speaking of getting in front of them, do you know what they are, any idea? >> yes, and i think we have some sense of the different things that we need to get in front of. >> you know, what mark said to me is they're putting quite a few resources into that. they're putting a lot of money and a lot of people towards trying to get in front of that so we don't see what we saw in 2016. he said that he flat out said to me we could have done a much better job protecting the platform in 2016. so i think we're all going to be carefully looking to make sure that we don't see the type of
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manipulation that we saw in the past election as we head toward the midterms. >> laurie, it stuck out to me when he said if he's the right person to testify before congress, he will testify before congress. but the general practice is that whoever knows the most goes before congress. that's just not how it works, right? if there is a problem with a company, the ceo goes up. we have seen that when it comes to car companies, oil companies. does he understand that? does facebook understand that? >> yeah. i think facebook does understand that. i get the sense that also, you know, they know because he's not out there enough, they haven't put him out there enough, that it will be a spectacle when he goes. and for good reason. i know from talking to sources within the company there is a whole back story of deciding who would go testify with the russia investigation and the weaponization of the platform. you know, so i know there are a lot of conversations going behind the scenes. i think it would be fascinating
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and important to see him be the face of this, mark zuckerberg is one of the most well known people in the world and this is a massive, massive problem. i think we need some accountability and for him to show up. >> i agree with you on that. laurie segall, thank you. i want to bring in senator ed markey, a democrat, serves on the senate foreign relations committee and on the commerce committee. thank you for being with us. facebook was actually founded in your state. you've been very clear you want zuckerberg before the commerce committee. you sent him a letter this morning. you heard what he said to cnn, he would testify if it were the right thing to do, if he's the one who knows the most about something. i imagine that you have a differing point of view from him on whether that is the rational for whether he should appear before your committee. >> yeah, i don't think there is any question that he is the right person to testify. when there was a bp oil spill,
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the ceo of bp was the right person to testify before congress to explain why there were no blowout preventers that worked. we had a big oil spill. now we have a huge data spill, which has occurred. and he is the ceo of facebook and he has to come because no one understands the algorithms of facebook better than him. he knows how they use to gather information, and he should also know how they use to protect information from being leaked. and so he should explain what are those algorithms and how were they penetrated and other penetrations of the privacy of americans going on right now because those safeguards are not in place. >> if you -- if you had a chance to have him at a hearing there, what questions would you ask? >> well, i would want to know when they knew that the privacy of americans was being
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compromised by this professor and then by cambridge analytica. what did they do? and did they, in fact, understand that that might be a lesson that then should ensure that at that point in time that they began to examine all of the apps, which could be used in order to take this private information of families, of children, across our country and then be put into the hands of complete strangers while facebook was operating under a consent decree from 2011. they were on privacy probation since 2011, where they promised that without explicit permission they would not allow for the disclosure of any information, of any american. they have to answer those questions. what did they do to put in place the protections under the 2011 consent decree to ensure the complete protection of the privacy of all americans. >> you want to know whether there is ongoing attempts to try to get this information, the intel community has been really clear that russia is, as we
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speak, interfering in u.s. elections. this includes the upcoming midterms this year. zuckerberg expressed confidence that his company can get in front of bad actors like russia. do you share that confidence? >> i think they're late and i think other tech companies are late. they clearly have a conflict because they make money in the monetization of this information, and the less able they are to gather it and then sell it out into the marketplace is the less they may be reducing their -- the more they may be reducing their profitability. so the question we're going to have for him is do you support a privacy bill of rights? i've introduced this bill into congress. that would be one, that every american has the knowledge that information is being gathered about them, two, that the company to which they gave it is now reselling that information
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to other companies, other individuals. and, three, that americans have the right to say no, knowledge, notice that it is being re-used and the right to say no. and if they break that privacy set of protections, then there are huge penalties that the company has to pay. bp had to pay a huge penalty because they did not have safety precautions in place. here it is the data, it is the privacy of all of americans that has been compromised. we need real penalties that are now put on the books that ensure that each of these companies understand that it is not just an oops, it is more than that. it goes right to our identity as americans, especially if russians are trying to penetrate and ultimately this information was put in the hands of cambridge analytica, owned by robert mercer, vice president steve bannon, consultant michael flynn. so this is very serious, it goes to the right to the heart of the privacy of americans and democracy in our country. >> you know about this movement
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right now, this #deletefacebook movement. a lot of people are saying i'm getting rid of my account. do you think that americans should delete their facebook accounts? >> my feeling is that if people are not confident that their information is being protected, if safeguards are not in place, if the algorithms to protect the privacy of americans has not been instituted, by facebook, other companies, then people should be aware. they should be very cautious about whether or not they take their most private information and put it into the hands of this company. that's what we're learning. i think that's what's happening in the marketplace, people are saying, this clearly there is no privacy. that's the new revelation, i think, that is coming to the american people, but these companies should have known all along that they did not have privacy protections at a level that was sufficient in the past
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and then raises the question of willful blindness. did they know it was happening? but just decide as -- it went up level by level that ultimately they would not put the protections in place? we don't know the answers to these questions yet and in the absence of those answers, i think many americans are saying i'm going to take my information off those companies websites until i'm sure that it is protected. >> senator ed markey, thanks so much for being with us. >> thank you. so we're moments away now from the house speaker paul ryan, he's going to address the details of this gigantic $1.3 trillion spending bill. what's in it? what's out of it? is this even going to pass? stay with us. woman: where are we taking him? i have no clue. we're just tv doctors. if this was a real emergency, i'd be freaking out. we are the tv doctors of america. together with cigna reminding you to go, know, and take control of your health. schedule your annual check-up today.
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>> breaking news about a shake-up in the president's personal legal team that is tasked with dealing with the special counsel's investigation into russian meddling and whether the trump campaign was involved in any of it. we learned that the lead lawyer john dowd has resigned. this is huge news. i want to bring in shimon prokupecz for this. they have been trying, it seemed, to put a good face on this, even john dowd himself here in the last couple of days as there had been additions to the legal team. did that mean that some people were on their way out? did that mean dowd would resign? we know now that is very much true, shimon. this is huge. this is the top lawyer on the president's team leaving. >> that's right. not only is this the top lawyer on the president's team, but this is the person who the trump lawyers have given every indication to us, has been communicating with the mueller team, who has this previous relationship with mueller, and
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to us, to those of us covering this, are not surprised by this move, certainly. we expect there to be other resignations, other shake-ups within the legal team. some of the members of the legal team took issue with the president's recent hire of the recent lawyer that was brought on to the team, you know, john dowd this weekend sort of caused a stir after he made some comments to the daily beast, then walked them back basically taking issue with the mueller investigation. and john dowd has really been sort of seen as a guy communicating with the president, trying to keep things calm, trying to keep the president sort of in line and this is -- though this is not, not a surprise to many of us, it certainly is going to create some rifts within the team that is ongoing, there are problems on this legal team, we have said so much, we have reported on a lot of that various views on how the president should be handling the investigation, views on whether the president should
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meet with bob mueller, whether he should be interviewed, questioned by investigators from bob mueller's team, but certainly, you know, we know also that the president has been out there shopping, looking for other people to join his legal team, some people hesitant to join the legal team for a variety of reasons, the president is also just not a very easy client, not someone who listens to his lawyers, we have seen that based off of some of the tweets, some of the things he has said publicly to reporters and press conferences, and gaggles. so all of that certainly creates a lot of problems when you have attorneys who are trying to convey a certain message, try to constrain their clients from saying things that could potentially hurt themselves. >> and that is -- that's clearly the frustration that john dowd had, right? he is someone who seems to adhere to a sort of common sense approach legally. it had been reported that he did not believe that the president should actually sit down with the special counsel. he was clearly worried that this
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wasn't going to turn out in the right way for the president, the president has promised that he is going to sit down with the special counsel. shimon, you look at that, you look at someone like john dowd is out, and then you look at couple of new legal additions, one of them being joe digenova who trafficked in conspiracy theory about the fbi and targeting president trump, what does that tell you about the direction of the legal team? >> well, it tells us that, you know, maybe the president wants someone who is willing to more say the things he wants to be said. i think john dowd and ty cobb, the other attorney here, their approach has been to try to keep things peaceful, try to go at it through negotiations. even ty cobb and john dowd had differing opinions on whether how much the president should cooperate, on whether the president should sit down with the special counsel. look, usually do get these kinds of situations on legal teams when you have so many different
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lawyers involved in a case like this. you're going to have varying opinions. it is very rare that we see it play out like this so publicly, there hasn't been so much intrigue into what is going on with these lawyers what they're thinking, how they're handling things, but the key thing here is they have an unbelievable task in trying to manage a client, the president, who just can't be managed. >> very good point, shimon, thank you very much. stand by for us as we dissect this breaking news that the top lawyer on the president's personal legal team to deal with the mueller probe is now out. nia malika henderson and michael here. this maybe wasn't unexpected, even though we have been hearing pushback, even from john dowd himself, no, no, everything is copacetic. okay, well, it's not. we saw legal additions to the team. we have seen this before when it was the trump campaign that you with see new additions come in,
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nothing to see here and the next thing you knew the campaign manager was gone. maybe not entirely a surprise this happened. how significant it this to you in. >> it is going to be clear how significant it is when we keep our eyes on ty cobb. if ty cobb goes, it means the president is shifting his strategy. because ty cobb and john dowd, though they differed a little bit, were cooperation, get this over with, there is no there there and let's put this behind us. joe digenova brings a whole different mind set to this. if joe now represents the new theory, we're going to fight, we may not submit ourselves to an interview, this is a witch-hunt, and dowd and then ty cobb are out, then there is a whole new paradigm. >> also, i want to -- we just have gotten a statement in from jay sekulow, also a lawyer on the president's team, john dowd is a friend and has been a valuable member of our legal team, we'll continue our ongoing
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representation of the president and our cooperation with the office of special counsel. the question is what kind of representation, right? and i wonder, for even people who are in the president's team, in his corner, but maybe worry a little bit about some of his freewheeling style when it comes to dealing with taking on robert mueller lately, we have seen him really go after the special counsel on twitter. which was something that was new. i imagine there are people even very much in the president's camp who are looking at this shift and they are worried. >> yeah, you would have to be because the president has certainly changed his tactic, he's hired this new lawyer, looked like they wanted to hire another lawyer, ted olson, very well respected lawyer, you probably know him better than i would and can speak to him more, but he didn't want to joint team. it seems like this is a president forgoing this sort of nonaggression pact he had with
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mueller, naming him consistently over twitter the last couple of days. we know the investigation is heating up. we know the promises of that -- trump's lawyers made to him, it would be wrapped up soon. that's out the window at this point. at this point the president is in a different place. you imagine he wants to bring people around him who mirror his pugilistic style. he looked on tv, saw joe digenova talking about this conspiracy theory and wanted him as part of his team. that could be the new tenor of his approach to this legal matter. >> i think of his economic team, right, where gary cohn is out, he was more of a moderating influence on the president's trade views, and the folks who aren't kind of have become a little more influential. donald trump talked about wanting to clean house when it comes to his cabinet and have the team that he really wants. it seems in a way that he's steering not just on the legal matters, but economically and
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just in general towards let trump be trump. >> this whole idea of trump unleashed and we have seen it as you laid out, any number of areas in terms of foreign policy, in terms of trade, in terms of -- and gary cohn leaving and the other folks that are more like trump are rising through the ranks, so, you know, it is obviously having implications too on what is very, very serious, this legal matter. and he can have his pr political strategy in terms of wanting to bring these folks in. i don't know how well that joe's strategy of saying that it is all a conspiracy theory would actually work legally. >> i have to get a break in real quick. we'll revisit this, of course. big breaking news that we're following at this point in time, the lead lawyer on the president's personal legal team dedicated to the special counsel investigation of russian meddling is now gone. john dowd has resigned. we'll be back with more on this breaking news in a moment. duncan just protected his family
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this is cnn breaking news. breaking news, we're reporting a huge change to the president's legal team that is dealing with the special counsel investigation into russian meddling and looking at whether the trump campaign was involved in any way with this. john dowd, the top lawyer on that group of lawyers working for the president is now out. and this comes after pushback over the last few days, including from dowd himself, about whether there were going to be changes to the legal team. and about whether the president was unhappy with the direction of his legal team. this is speaking volumes here. dowd has resigned. it is very clear that this is going to shake things up. and maybe even change the
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direction of the president's legal team's pursuit in how they're responding and reacting to the special counsel. i want to bring in right now cnn's chief political analyst gloria borger. you spoke with john dowd. >> john dowd said to me, i love the president and wish him well, i think this is really reflective of the fact that the dowd strategy, which has been to hand everything over to mueller, deal with mueller in a very professional way, he and ty cobb said to the president, hold back, mind your manners, do not attack mueller. that shifted dramatically, i believe, after they got a list of sort of the buckets of questions that the president was going to be asked that we reported on last night. the legal team is in complete disarray. john dowd, they brought in joe digenova, who is very aggressive who believes that there is a conspiracy within the fbi and the justice department to get
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this president. and he is more aggressive, and i believe and i know from my own reporting and pam theela brown' reporting that he did not want to be co-counsel with joe digenova. and that his strategy is a strategy that the president no longer believes in, and so he's going back to plan a and plan a is to attack. >> so it is very much that john dowd was fed up with this. but it is also mutual in a way that his approach was not being appreciated. >> the president felt from our reporting that the strategy, he had listened to the lawyers and the lawyers said hold back, hold back, hold back. this is going to be over. remember, we were hearing -- over thanksgiving, over christmas, over in january, that did not happen. so the president then sees -- remember, they're in the middle of negotiating the president's potential testimony. mueller hands over to them or talks to them about the kinds of stuff he wants, and the
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president gets upset, and says this isn't working, this is going to continue for quite some time. my attorneys have not led me in the -- in the right direction. i should also say that ty cobb, the white house special counsel, agrees with dowd on that strategy and there is great question about whether ty cobb stays. ty cobb has indicated that he would like to stay through the president's testimony if the president does testify. but the president, again, is -- made it clear privately he doesn't like the strategy they were pursuing, so the next person to leave could be ty cobb. we just don't know at this point. >> as we know that the top lawyer on the team john dowd is out, ty cobb, let's see, his status is unknown or hanging in the balance here and we're waiting to see. tell us about some of the things that we had learned just
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recently that the special counsel was going to want to look into. >> let me just say one more thing about the lawyers, there is the mark castlewitz team, very involved and then he kind of stepped back, you'll recall, months ago, and he was always of the thought, let's be more aggressive. so castlewitz never stepped back totally but there is a question if they become more involved now that you see dowd leaving, and it wouldn't surprise me at all if that happened. and as to the topics of what they want to talk about, they want to talk about, you know, the flynn firing and the comey firing, obviously. those are the bulk of the issues. the other issues are the meeting at trump tower, don jr.'s meeting at trump tower with the russians and what occurred on air force one when the white house issued a very misleading
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statement about what occurred at the trump tower meeting. and so those are pretty big buckets and what the lawyers did was sort of extrapolated and then among themselves kind of made a list of dozens of questions or potential areas that the president might be asked. those are questions that could lead you so you see the president getting more and more agitated here thinking, you know what, my lawyers were wrong. they led me into a lull that was false and john dowd was to blame for that, he believes, in a large way. even though, remember, last weekend it was dowd who tweeted, and now we know at the behest of the president, that i hope mueller, you know, ends this case. >> gloria borger reporting that
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certainly shifted here with the strategy on behalf of the president. also, you have to keep in mind if things were coming to an end like some of trump's lawyers have been saying, why would his lawyers now start leaving? that's a pretty significant thing here. >> we know you'll keep digging with your sources. shimon prokupecz, thank you. we'll have more breaking news after the break. i just want to find a used car without getting ripped off. start at the new show me used trucks with one owner. pretty cool. [laughs] ah... ahem... show me the carfax. start your used car search at the all-new i was wondering if an electric toothbrush really cleans better than a manual. and my hygienist says it does but they're not all the same. who knew? i had no idea. so she said, look for one that's shaped like a dental tool with a round brush head.
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