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newsroom." i'm ana cabrera in new york. thanks for being here. the faces and names of people close to the president changes and reshuffles yet again. this time, the upheaval is in president trump's legal anniversary. and a still-unsettled team of lawyers working to protect the president as the robert mueller probe continues into possible campaign collusion with russia. just a few days ago, a big announcement. the high-powered washington lawyer, joseph digenova would be joining the president's legal team. well, then we learned digenova's wife and legal partner, victoria toensing was also onboard, the news surprising some analysts saying there might be some conflict of interest. then this morning, a follow up. know, the two lawyers will not be joining the president's team after all. the reason, as mentioned, the president's personal attorney points to what he calls conflicts. also this morning, this comment from the president himself. he tweets. many lawyers and top law firms want to represent me in the russia case. then after railing on so-called fake news, he writes, i am very
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happy with my existing team. besides, there was no collusion with russia, except by crooked hillary and the dems. our white house correspondent, boris sanchez, is in south florida near trump's resort, mar-a-lago. boris, tell us, what are the conflicts keeping these high-profiled lawyers off the president's legal team? >> well, ana, it's interesting, victoria toensing represents a number of other clients who are part of the russia investigation. the white house had known about that previously. toensing on her end actually got signatures, waivers from those clients that would allow her to represent the president. it so appeared that it was all kosher. but after a meeting on thursday between the couple and the president in which sources told us the president was happy with their message, but wasn't sure if he wanted to hire them to lead their legal team, they're now apparently not pinpoint leads to questions about exactly how these conflicts may have interfered and one thing that jay sekulow, the president's
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attorney left the door open for in that statement was the possibility for the couple to continue advising the president on legal matters. it's not exactly clear how that might impact the relationship moving forward, though, ana. >> boris, trump's lead attorney, of course, john dowd, also quit this week on thursday, the same day the president met with joe digenova, as well as his wife, victoria toensing. now all three are gone. where does that leave the president's legal situation? >> reporter: with a lot of questions about who exactly is leading this team. the obvious leader previously was john dowd, who as you noted, resigned. and as you mentioned earlier, the president was tweeting about fake news. he was responding to reports from cnn and other outlets that the white house has reached out toll several prominent washington, d.c. defense attorneys for potential representation. all of them, though, at least the one that cnn has confirmed
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wi with, have turned the white house down. so the president trying to change the narrative there, with saying that this is fake news, that there are plenty of attorneys that are, you know, dying to work for the white house. we should probably take that tweet with a grain of salt, though, considering that last week, as you know, ana, the president also tweeted that he was happy with his legal team up and down, specifically naming john dowd, saying that there would be no shake ups. that stories about that were fake news. and as you noted, days later, john dowd resigned. >> boris sanchez in west palm beach, thank you. so who is left on the president's legal team when it comes to russia matters? we know of just two people. jay sekulow who is working for the president privately and ty cobb, who's working for the white house. joining us now with some insight and analysis, white house reporter for "the daily beast," sahil kapoor, and shimon prokupecz, cnn crime and justice reporter. so what are the implications of this latest shuffle until trump's legal team? >> probably the biggest
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implication here is the negotiation that's underway for the potential interview between investigators, special counsel, and the president. john dowd, as we've all been reporting, was leading that negotiation, though he may not have necessarily wanted the president to meet with the special counsel, he was the one who was communicating with bob mueller. he kept saying how he had this great relationship with mueller and he was the one that was communicating on behalf of the president. certainly these terms of a potential meeting. so that's where this could stall, perhaps the interview. it could also slow down in terms of the conclusion of the investigation, only because any new attorney that would come in, you would have to read them in on where things stand, where does the president -- what has the president turned over already to the special counsel. remember, ty cobb, who you just mentioned, has sort of taken a cooperative stance in this investigation. and any new attorney could maybe take this towards a direction where, you know what, we're not going to cooperate with the
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special counsel anymore. certainly, wave seen sign -- we from the president that he wants to fight more. and maybe that in the end is what the president is looking for in his next attorney. >> i want to bring back in tweet from the president earlier today. and i quote, many lawyers and top law firms want to represent me in the russia case. don't believe the fake news narrative that it is hard to find a lawyer who wants to take this on. fame and fortune will never be turned down by a lawyer, though some are conflicted. swin, cnn is aware of at least four attorneys have declined to join the president's legal team. some cited concerns that he doesn't listen to legal advice. what are you hearing? >> well, this may shock your viewers and your listeners, but this wouldn't be the first time the president has outright lied on his social media or public presence. it's not true that the white house isn't having trouble assembling a legal aid team. in fact, everybody who i've spoken to in the senior ranks in the trump white house have for months have had an exacerbated
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degree of frustration that a myriad high-profile and big-named attorneys that ordinarily you would see assembled for a probe such as this have not come calling and quite frankly, when asked, wouldn't touch it with a ten-foot pole. there are many reasons for that. among them, you have a president who is -- you would have a client that is incredibly unreliable, impulsive, mercurial. we could hurl a lot of other adjectives at this, but you get the idea. so there's -- when you have ty cobb and jay sekulow at the helm, and that's basically it, except for about half a dozen other lawyers who are aiding jay sekulow with matters related to the probe, it's sort of hard to argue that that is the team that president trump would want. >> sahil, this shake up and the president's attacks against mueller come after we learn that
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mueller indicated four topics that he was interested in asking the president about. the trump tower meeting in june of 2016, the president's role in crafting his sun's misleading statement about that meeting as well as the firing of james comey and michael flynn. what do you make of this? >> i think that's what sos interesting about all of this upheaval in the president's legal team, because there's been a division between the president's legal advisers including people on this legal team and some people out of this legal team that continue to spike to the president regularly, like marc kasowitz. they're with the john dowd approach, which was to hunker down, don't go after bob mueller directly and we'll beat this. the president increasingly seems to be moving away from that, which seems to be one of the reasons that john dowd ended up resigning, because he didn't believe the president was listening to him. there is the other school of thought, which is to simply not cooperate with the special counsel fully top to bottom, which is not necessarily to say
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do anything illegal, but to essentially tie them up for years, which some of the president's other advisers want to do. but in terms of what the president's legal team is, if you want to look at that specifically, the president has not had a good batting average when describing this lately. he said he wasn't adding to his legal team and then added to his legal team. he said he wasn't shaking it up and then he shook it up. then one of the lawyers he added, joe digenova quit, and now again he says he's happy with his legal team. i spoke to a couple of people in president trump's orbit at this throughout this week, including today and one of them argued that the president dodged a bullet with the non-hire of joe digenova, who is a conspiracy theorist, who this person i spoke to argued would fuel the president's darkest instincts and take him down a legal path that would create more problems for him than it would solve. so i think it's going to be interesting to see what the president does going forward. he seems to be increasingly unleashed as mueller homes in on him. >> i mean, digenova did say something along the lines of the president is being framed by these investigators.
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but shimon, the fact that we now know these four areas that mueller's team is interested in talking to the president about, what could that indicate? >> well, it could indicate -- look, we know the four topics that we reported are on the obvious topics, right? michael flynn, jim comey, the firing of jim comey, the crafting of the statement. all of this, ana, we've reported on. there are other topics. and when we approached the white house about these other topics, they basically waved us off of it, right? so there are ore topics. and we know that the mueller team met face to face with the president's lawyers just last week, actually, the week before that, the week before he went on a tweet storm attacking mueller and others. something had happened in that meeting where other topics came up. we don't know what those topics are, but we know what the obvious topics are, right? it's the comey stuff, the michael flynn stuff. that seems to be well within the per view of what the special counsel is looking at. the concern has been for the
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president and certainly for some on his legal team is that the special counsel has gone outside of what they think is his per purview, which is maybe some of the trump organization stuff, which we know there has been a subpoena served on them. some of the business dealings that the president had been involved in in his personal life before he was president. so all of that seems to have perhaps played into some of what is going on within the legal team right now. >> and as we mentioned, those four areas that we know of, that mueller wants to talk to the president about. my understanding is that is not exclusive. the investigators could certainly ask additional questions. but asawin, the president has begun attacking mueller by name. regardless of his legal shake up, what we see is what he's tweeting out and that has led some to worry that he may try to fire mueller and end this investigation. but there's this new marist poll, among republicans, 57% think that mueller should be
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allowed to finish his investigation. just 25% think he should be fired. should givetha give the president some pause if he is considering firing mueller? >> well, he and his closest allies and certainly white house officials for months, even before the president started tweeting or hate tweeting about mueller, by mueller's name, have been laying the groundwork to, if not order the sacking of robert mueller, lay a framework or groundwork of discrediting whatever findings may or may not come out of the investigation. look, some of the president's closest advisers both within and without the white house have been encouraging president trump to get tougher and rougher, both in terms of public relations and legal strategy on team mueller for a long time now. now it's bubbling to the forein a social media sense with the president going after him son twitter and sometimes in public statements through john dowd, as we saw a few days well, asawin,
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my own community? what am i going to do to actually help respond to a shooter? those are the kind of things where you can take it internally and say, here's how i'm going to deal with this. here's how i'm going to help the situation, instead of going and protesting and saying, someone else needs to pass a law to protect me. >> i want to bring in my panel. cnn former assistant to president george w. bush, scott jennings, and former policy director to hillary clinton, neera tanden. so scott, what do you think of that argument from your fellow republican, rick santorum, that keyes kids are better served taking cpr classes than marching for gun reform? >> yeah, honestly, that's one of those moments that i'm sure rick wishes he could have back. it's kind of ridiculous to assert that people shouldn't be out there exercising their first amendment rights. it doesn't mean as conservatives we have to agree with everything that people are saying. but frankly, i was in new york this week, i went out among the marchers and was kind of inspired to see americans. and there were people out there on both sides exercising their
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free speech rights. that part is good. we can debate the solutions. but come on, these kids have a lot of moral authority. they ought to be able to speak and that's what they're doing. and we can disagree on solutions but let's not poo-poo their right to speak and be active. >> neera, your thoughts? >> i thought it was obviously a lied courthouse statemen ludicrous statement. they are taking things into their own hands. they're going to vote. they're not just protesting or requesting action. they're going to vote people out of office who aren't going to take action and vote people into office who will take action to protect them. that is the point they were making. obviously, the idea that people need cpr in response to -- cpr training in response to an ar-15, which destroys your organs, rips up body is -- is obviously just callous. i mean, it was a callous and dumb comment. >> i want you guys to listen to one of the parkland survivors,
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david hogg, what he said during the rally in washington yesterday. >> first-time voters show up 18% of the time at midterm elections. not anymore. and to those politicians supported by the nra that allow the continued slaughter of our children and our future, i say, get your resumes ready. >> so, neera talked about voting and how that is where this movement could go next, scott. is david hogg right? should republicans be worried? >> well, look, i think there is going to be an effort. i saw it in new york this weekend, to register and turn out voters of this age group. however, if you look inside some of the national polling that's been done, the age cohort in the national polling that is least likely to support some of these things they're promoting, such as gun bans, is actually 18 to 34-year-olds. sometimes we get a little bit of a distorted view about what the younger voters actually believe on this issue.
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my view is, we ought to find the issues where there's common ground. moving the age from 18 to 21, background checks, mental health checks. that's where there's common ground on this shall. but i think it's still pretty messy when it comes to banning guns, which is what a lot of the speakers at the rallies wanted. >> you just listed, the polling shows that the majority of americans, including republicans, support those ideas. why won't republican lawmakers who have the majority in the house and the senate put those ideas to a vote, scott? >> well, actually, they've already started. i mean, if you look inside the omnibus that passed on this week and was signed into law by president trump, there were two important gun control issues in there. the fix nix bill, which was a bipartisan bill from senator cornyn and others. and there was the top school violence act, which was also in there. these had wide bipartisan majorities. i'm glad they were in there. and i think frankly they were in there because of what the pa parkland kids and other gun shooting survivors have been out doing for the past few months. those were not insignificant measures. and let's be honest, donald
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trump signed more gun control on friday than barack obama did in eight years. there's progress there. >> neera, your response? >> that's a really great rewriting of history. i'll just remind everybody that donald trump met with victims of parkland and said that he would support issues like background checks, looked at a ban of assault weapons. i know scott would like to rewrite the agenda to say a gun ban. that is not what people are asking for -- >> it is, neera. that's what the students want. >> they want gun bans. >> actually, they have narrow agenda line. and that's not what it says. you should look it up, scott. >> it doesn't say they want to ban certain kinds of rifles? >> they said they want an assault weapons ban, something the president talked about for five minutes. >> an assault weapons ban is also something that the latest polling from fox news, in fact, shows the majority of americans want. but to scott's point, neera, it wasn't that long ago that democrats did hold both chambers
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of congress in addition to the wo white house and did get gun control passed. what's different now? >> you're absolutely right. and what's different now is that we have a moral case, a moral crusade in the country. millions of people in the country came out on saturday to state what they want. they want protections. they look at these legislation as protections. and what's pathetic is that the president of the united states met with parkland victims, told them he would support a range of common sense activities, then had dinner with the nra and told them, and then basically said, i take it all back. obviously, any legislation is important, but what they're looking at is full background checks and an assault weapons ban, because an assault weapon is a weapon of war. those people can distinguish between an assault weapons ban and a gun ban and i'm sorry scott can't. >> scott, quick, to close the loop on the gun discussion, the fix nix portion of the omnibus that you mentioned, that really doesn't advance current law. it only holds what is in current
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law more accountable in the sense that it is to incentivize federal agencies to make sure they turn over the information that they need to when it comes to getting information in the background check system, should somebody have a domestic violence mark on their record, for example. so it doesn't expand background checks, which is something that, i think, has been referenced in the broad support of americans. but i just want to close that loop, scott. we have seen record-setting staff turnover. and i want to ask you about this, as well, and get your reaction to how news max founder chris ruddy is teasing even more changes to come at the white house. he, of course, is a friend of the president. >> the president told me he's perplexed by all of these reports there's chaos at the white house or mass staff changes. he told me that he thinks the white house is operating like a smooth machine, his words. he did say that he's expecting to make one or two major changes
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to his government very soon. and that's going to be it. >> scott, a smooth machine? really? >> well, i actually am glad that the president is going to make a change at the va, if that's what he, in fact, chooses to do. that is one of the biggest and most important agencies we have. it's had a number of issues over the last several years. it's done a disservice to our veterans who need care. they're our national heros in many cases. that things needs to be cleaned up and well run. i'm not certain it's being as well run right now as it could be. so i hope the president is able to find somebody who can do a better job of taking care of our nation's heros. this is a nonpartisan agency. it needs to be run efficiently. i'm not sure that's the case at the moment. >> scott and neera, thank you both. good to see you. coming up, outrage in sacramento after an unarmed black man is shot dead in his grandmother's backyard. how the family and police are responding to this latest police shooting, next. let's begin.
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tensions are high in california's capital city a week after a gut-wrenching police shooting that was caught on camera. here's a look at some of the demonstrations we've seen in sacramento, where an unarmed black man named stephon clark was fatally shot by police in his grandmother's backyard. in the streets, people are chanting his name, have thrown bottles and other objects at police, but other than those minor incidents, things have been relatively peaceful. police say they want to be transparent and get to the bottom of this. they have released the body cam video of the shooting. officers say they thought clark was pointing a gun at them, but a cell phone was the only thing recovered from the scene.
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dan simon is joining us now from sacramento. so, dan, do police expect more protests today? >> reporter: no protests today, ana. and ber cowe are coming to you gold one center. what a difference a couple of days make. you'll recall on thursday that protesters essentially shut down the arena. you basically had just a few couple hundred of people inside. fans were not able to get in. but because there are no protests today, that does not mean the raw feelings have gone away. there is still a heightened sense of anxiety in terms of what happened exactly one week ago today. >> hey! show me your hands! stop! stop! >> reporter: the encounter lasts less than a minute. >> show me your hands! [ gunfire ] >> reporter: after a brief chase, sacramento police fire 20 shots. >> shots fired. shots fired. >> reporter: and as the smoke clears, they explain -- >> something in his hands. it looked like a gun from our perspective. >> reporter: ahead in their
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spotlight, an unarmed 22-year-old black man lay dead in his grandmother's backyard. >> we can't get you help unless we know you don't have a weapon. >> it's a tragic event for the family and for officers. >> the officers felt their lives were in danger and the subject was pointing a firearm. >> reporter: so the officers fired, apparently fearing for their lives. but no weapons were found at the scene. just a cell phone. >> right there. right there was my grandson, dead! with an iphone! >> reporter: it does not appear the pursuing officers ever identified themselves as police before opening fire. now the fire of stephen claron a father of two, says they are murderers. >> are you angry -- >> i am pissed. i am livid. >> you said you wanted his name to be remembered the same way people remember -- >> trayvon martin, tamir rice, eric garner, michael brown. >> reporter: sacramento police arrived in the neighborhood sunday after 9:00 p.m.,
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responding to calls of someone breaking car windows. >> going down the street breaking windows. >> reporter: police said they found at least three vehicles damaged. they believed clark was the culprit. according to the sheriff's department, its helicopter crew observed the person breaking windows and picking up a tool bar. aerial video shows someone police say as clark hopping fences and running from police. >> the police were going to try to slander him, say he was this and that. he was ant gn't a gun guy. >> he's down. no movement. >> reporter: moments after the gunfire, clark lays silent and the officers reload their gun, still fearful, it seems, of being attacked. minutes later, they approach to administer aid. where does the family go from here? zbl >> we're afraid. we're afraid. it's not the first and it won't be the last. >> like any compassionate person, i was horrified by what i saw. >> reporter: sacramento mayor
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darrell steinberg pledging full transparency. >> the tragedy warrants not only our sorrow, but a deep examination of what occurred and what policies and procedures must be examined and changed to minimize the chance that this does not happen again. >> reporter: protesters rallying at city hall thursday afternoon, at one point entering the building. [ chanting: it's a phone, not a gun ] >> reporter: and those two police officers, ana, remain on paid administrative leave. the department is not naming them, because they say they have received numerous death threats. ana? >> dan simon in sacramento, thank you. coming up, the list of cambridge analytica clients with ties to the white house is growing. now whistle-blowers tell cnn that the president's pick for national security adviser, john bolton, has ties to the firm, and was one of the first clients to use the improperly obtained facebook data of millions of americans. the details, next.
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chris wiley. >> they were one of the first clients of cambridge analytica to buy in to the psych graphic messaging that was developed using the 50 million facebook profiles that were misappropriated. >> reporter: a spokesman for john bolton's super pac denies of knowing of any alleged impropriety by cambridge analytica. and the contract stipulatings that cambridge analytica would follow the law and obtain all necessary permits. that contract obtained by cnn, shows the bolton super pac in 2014, initially paid cambridge analytica more than $450,000 for behavioral microtargeting with psychographic messaging. in other words, using data in an entirely new way. >> so you're not trying to change people's votes or win people's votes at that time, you're trying to change their minds. >> we want to change their perspective and change how they see things. this is a really key element of
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what cambridge analytica does. >> reporter: for example, cambridge analytica used facebook data to identify groups in arkansas, like this so-called cluster, mostly male, 40 to 60 years old, that would be most influenced by imagery that depicts politicians getting jobs done, with subjects like "economy" and "national security." according to wilylie, that information from facebook was then used to create specific ads targeting those people whose personality traits they had just uncovered, like this 2014 ad bolton's super pac created to support arkansas republican, tom cotton, in his race for senate. >> protect u.s. strength at home and abroad. >> reporter: so one neighbor might get a different message from the second neighbor. >> exactly. it's not even neighbors. it might be people in the same house get a different message. the messaging would be crafted to pick at underlying mental vulnerabilities. >> reporter: cambridge analytica was the brainchild of steve bannon and funded by republican
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conservative billionaires, rebecca and robert mercer. since 2014, robert mercer has donated 5 million to john bolton's super pac. the super pac in turn has spent $1.2 million on contracts with cambridge analytica. late friday, cambridge analytica sent cnn a statement saying that the company is not the politically motivated unethical company that some are alleging. the statement goes on to say the source of the allegations against the company is not a whistle-blower or a founder of the company, but goes on to say christopher wylie was a part-time contractor who left in 2014 and has no direct knowledge of our work our practices since that date. meanwhile, lawmakers here in the uk and in the u.s. want answers on exactly what those practices are and whether or not cambridge analytica misused personal data from facebook. drew griffin, cnn, london.
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>> i want to talk more about this data harvesting scandal impacting more than 50 million facebook users. joining us now, david chris, also a national security adviser for hillary clinton's 2016 campaign. david, how significant are john bolton's connections to cambridge analytica from years ago? >> well, it's no surprise, really, i think that john bolton was connected to cambridge analytica. they obviously run in the same circles. i think one of the most important and interesting aspects of the reporting on this is that bolton was apparently obsessed with what some reporting has referred to as the limp-wristed attitude towards national security that he feared america was displaying. and he was very interested in targeting precise messages to get people in america to be more militaristic. i think that really underlines the central aspect of his agenda
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as the possible future national security adviser. and it also raises some very interesting questions about whether and how he's going to pursue that agenda, once he gets into office. >> just today, senator tim kaine was questioning whether bolton could get a full security clearance because of other ties to russia. listen to this. >> these kinds of contacts raise real questions in my mind about whether he could get a full security clearance or not. we've already lost one national security adviser, michael flynn, because he was lying about contacts with foreign governments and had to be let go. i think, even though the senate doesn't get a vote to confirm the national security adviser, i have many, many questions, not only about john bolton's philosophy, but about these contacts with russia and potentially other governments. >> david, you worked in the justice department for the obama and the bush administration, specializing in national security issues. do you see evidence that bolton could be a national security risk? that he could be compromised in
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some way? >> well, i haven't seen anything in the reporting that i've read about his connections to cambridge analytica that i think would create a problem for him either retaining or getting a cleer clearance if he doesn't currently have one. but of course, i don't know all of the information that's out there. and i'm assure that the fbi and others will give a very careful vet to this, as they consider him for this very, very importance post. >> now, in the russia investigation, we also saw major staff shake up in the president's personal legal team this week. a key lawyer, john dowd, he resigned, then the announcement, another lawyer, joe digenova was joining. well, now today the president backtracking, saying actually digenova is not joining because of conflicts of interest. david, what do you make of all of this? >> well, it is hard not to see the departure of dowd and the, at least the contemplation of the arrival of joe digenova and his wife, vicky toensing, even
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if they're not actually coming in, as possibly representing a shift in the defense of the president from a purely legal or a more emphasizing a legal shift approach to a more political one. any investigation of the president or his close associates always involves both dimensions, both the legal and the political one, and every defense team for a president will reflect perspectives on both of those issues. dowd was apparently part of strongly legal-focused camp that advocated cooperation with mueller in hopes that mueller would then exonerate the president. that hasn't happened. and it may be that his team is thinking about what happens next, if mahler doesn't go away quietly, thinking about more of the political dimension than the purely legal one. >> the president had a lot to say about his legal team in a tweet today. let me read it for you. many lawyers and top law firms want to represent me in the russia case. don't believe the fake news
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narrative that it is hard to find a lawyer who wants to take this on. fame and fortune will never be turned down by a lawyer, though some are conflicted. problem is that a new lawyer or law firm will take months to get up to speed, if for no other reason than that they can bill more, which is unfair to our great country and i'm very happy with my existing team. besides, there was no collusion with russia besides with crooked hillary and the dems. a lot in those couple of tweets, david. what does this tell you about the president's mind-set? >> well, he's very dug in and he has a very particular point of view. i have no brief to file for the altruism of lawyers, being one myself. i do think they are attracted by fame and fortune. but on the other hand, i've got to say that president trump must be a very, very difficult client to have as a lawyer, because it really does pear that he doesn't follow advice, he can't be controlled and he does whatever he wants to do, says whatever he wants to say.
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that can be extremely challenging for lawyers. and i'm not surprised that he may be having some difficulty getting people to come on to his team, because i think he would be a very difficult guy to have as a client. >> david kris, thanks so much for joining us. >> my pleasure. coming up, two men in their 70s acting like they're still in grade school. just so happens that they are the president and former vice president, threatening to beat each other up. jeanne moos has the details, next. ♪
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craze crazy joe biden is going to go down hard crying the whole way. don't threaten people, joe. i'm down for trump versus biden paper view fight. that money could build the wall. for it conjured up images of "craze zi old men." >> are you crazy? >> reporter: a frozen fish fight was tweeted about by ben sapp. both the craze zi uncles are fist-fighting in the backyard. >> mr. tough guy. >> reporter: commenters were posting about the imaginary combat. check out the size of the president's gloved hands in this poster.
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