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>> thank you very much. >> thank you. let's continue on here with the next hour. breaking news on two fronts. short time for now, news officials will hold a news conference on the death of alton sterling. we learned police would not face charges. sources tell cnn we will see videos that have shooting that have yet to be released to the public and we are warned that they are very graphic and disturbing. also, just in from sacramento, where protests have erupted over the death of an unarmed black man from police, an independent autopsy report on stephon clark, that indicates he was shot a total of eight times, six in his back. most telling, the family's attorney says clark's wounds do not much what sacramento police say happened to the 22-year-old. it contradicts the narrative that has been put forth by the
police based on what the autopsy findings. she wants to know -- >> exactly where was he facing when the first shot struck him? >> he was facing the house with his to the officers. he was not facing the officers. after he was shot, he turned around. these are not my opinions. these are the prevailing scientific evidence as provided by the second autopsy. >> clark was laid to rest yesterday. california state attorney general says the state department of justice will conduct its own investigation into the shooting. let's talk about all of this. cnn legal analyst paul callan and joey jackson with me. your first reactions to eight shots, six to the back? >> it's a shocking shooting. anyone who saw the video of it -- i saw it yesterday, the day before. it's been publicized.
it's hard to believe they would have to shoot this man five times -- eight times. >> eight times. >> six in the back. >> if that's the case. we'll have to see the whole facts of the case. >> what does that tell you? >> there's a general, brooke. then there's a specific reaction. the general reaction, it speaks to the divide between law enforcement and the community. it speaks to answering the question of why repeatedly do we have to speak about these shootings year after year, month after month? what is go iing on? you had a call here of someone vandalizing cars, apparently. that's significant because it informs the narrative of the police in terms of who they're encountering. it wasn't a murder er. it wasn't a rapist. it's someone vandalizing cars. the other thing problematic, you give someone a command to raise their hand. ought you not let them comply before you start shooting? if tactically you feel they're in a police stance or shooting
stance, tell them to get to the ground. you don't provide or render aid. something is rotten in denmark here. you see people out there who are peacefully protesting and who have strong words -- sacramento kings, basketball team. all they're doing with the community in recognizing and understanding this broad problem, it just is a source of much frustration. >> just to add also to what joe is saying in terms of this case, what's very suspicious -- i was talking about the video, which looked terrible for the police, they turned off the audio. >> hit mute. >> that was at the very point that they would be discussing, my god, he doesn't have a gun. he has a cell phone in his hand. everything looks bad for the police in terms of what we know about this shooting at this point. the community and, i think, in general wants to see that this is handled properly. by the way there's a heated district attorney race going on in sacramento. and that's going to be a big issue, too. there's been a movement
nationwide to get das who are more sensitive to the community. >> briefly, to that point -- absolutely. but briefly to that point, they announced they would be independent in investigating th this. paul and i had a discussion many times as to whether a local da should be divorced from this case n this case, they would be. any findings of an investigation, they have to have trust from the community. otherwise it's another cover-up, another lack of accountability and ner shooting where no one will be held accountable. that's the concern. >> thank you for that on sacramento. other video should be released in the louisiana alton sterling case. we're waiting on that. >> the source says the president's advisers were caught completely off guard when the president made this unexpected announcement about u.s. troops in syria. >> we're knocking the hell out of isis. we'll be coming out of syria like very soon. let the other people take care of it now. very soon. very soon. we're coming out. we're going to have 100% of the
caliphate as they call it, sometimes referred to as land, taking it back quickly. we're going to be coming out of there real soon. >> a source tells cnn the president's aides are, quote, still trying to figure out what he meant by that, end quote. this president has said repeatedly he will not telegraph military plans publicly. >> one of the thing ice think you've noticed about me is that militarily, i don't like to say where i'm going and what i'm doing. >> i don't want to telegraph what i'm doing or what i'm thinking. i'm not like other administrations where they say we're going to do this in four weeks. it doesn't work that way. >> i don't want to be one of these guys that say, yes, here is what we're going to do.
>> gentlemen, good to have both of you on. you know, colonel, to you first. isn't this exactly what he said he would never do, telegraph military moves? >> yeah. he's not being as specific as we have in the past. that's not the problem. telling our strategy is now to withdraw is not a good thing. we're on the cusp of a relatively solid victory over isis once we figure out what's going on with the turks. we have major issues with turkey in syria. now is not the time to talk about pulling back when they're advancing. yes, this is very confusing. >> what about in terms of the 2,000 troops over there? what are real-life consequences for them, fo r the u.s. in terms of pulling out? >> if the turks believe we're not serious about remaining there and recontinuing the fight with isis, they will push further and further to the east
which is what they're doing. erdogan said he's going all the way to the iraqi border and accountant plating going into iraq, kurdish area of iraq. he knows the united states is thinking about giving up the fight and let somebody else do it, one, i don't know who somebody else is. this plays right into erdogan's hands, and then you're playing into putn's hands. >> speaking of putin, i wanted to ask you quickly, too, on russia. they have now tested this new nuclear icbm, what do you make of that? >> this is very troubling. if you look at what the russians have done, say, over the past four, five years, they've introduced numerous classes of very sophisticated weaponry, laser technology, air defense weapons, the whole gamut. you look at the gdp of the country, it's somewhere around australia or italy.
and they're pouring millions and billions of dollars into this high-tech weaponry. what's it for? their economy is really not doing well enough to support this. and it locks like we're entering into another arms race. >> colonel francona, thank you very much on that. brian, to you on the president's syria remarks yesterday in ohio. a lot of these senior aides are like, what? they're puzzled over what he meant by that. do you even know what he meant by that? >> nobody knows what he means by that. it's not the first time we've seen him pull those types of punches. they craft messages gerkts the rug pulled out from under them five minutes later with a tweet. that's not really news. the telling part, brooke, was when they talked about -- explain whag he was doing to russia and used the analogy of a boxer so he could decide with a metaphor what to do with russia. that tells you the decision-making process. so i have a metaphor.
when i was a small child, when i was 16, first car i bought i wanted to prove i was on my own. i went to my dad. he wanted me to buy this oldsmobile. no, i want to buy this car i like. '71 yellow pinto. >> nice job. >> yeah, nice job. my father came to me afterwards and said i know you want to make your own decision, and you're proud of the fact that you made your own decision. you paid for your own decision. but let's get rid of the pinto so you don't blow up. if you hit them in the rear at 5 miles an hour, they would blow up. what i would like to say to those who don't understand trump, we're looking at a '71 yellow pinto. that's the metaphor you have to look at. it's going to blow up. there's nothing scarier looking at this president dealing with russia, engaged in a new arms race. i asked that question in the press room to sarah huckabee sanders. isn't it inherently dangerous
for the owners of the two largest stockpiles to be engaged in an arms race? he said we would follow not lead. the response i got was, she's worried about false news more than she is -- i said this is global thermal nuclear war. you don't get to walk away from that. and they don't understand the seriousness of the issues that they're dealing with. and they're dealing with a president who changes his mind, flies by the seat of his pants every day. >> i hear you. i hear you on the yellow pinto analogy. i think at least there are people who surround him. at end of the day i realize it's the commander in chief's call. >> you hope there's someone there. >> it's alarming for a lot of people when the president says something about withdrawing from syria. >> who is going to take their place? >> i know. brian karem, good to see you. >> good to see you. new details about the russian investigation that suggesting robert mueller is looking very closely at possible
collusion between the trump campaign and russia. also a democratic congresswoman under serious fire today for keeping her chief of staff. this man accused of abuse and threats against her female aide on her staff. how she is now responding. and not guilty on all counts. that is the verdict for the wife of the pulse nightclub shooter. we'll get analysis from an agent who worked on that very case.
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team told gates we don't need your help on manafo are. t, instead asking for help on the central question, did members of the truch campaign work with russia in order to win the presidential election? joseph moreno, nice to see you. happy friday. >> happy friday, brooke. good to be here. >> this is a big deal. for months all that really was known from the mueller probe is that they were looking into this obstruction and that had been a huge focus and now it's a different story with its collusion and potential connection between a former trump campaign member and a russia intel officer. >> absolutely, brooke. bank fraud, tax fraud and has nothing to do with the president and the campaign. and it's an example of overreach by the special counsel. the fact that this connection may, in fact, exist now between
mr. manafort, mr. gates, this third party and possible russian intelligence goes to show you that we really don't know what the special counsel had and why it's so important to allow this process to play out without interference. it goes to a larger point as well. no matter when the special counsel finally wraps up, whatever he brings, a good chunk of the american people will not be happy with, right, whether it's an airtight case against the president or complete exoneration or something in the middle. the american people will absolutely push back if they feel cheated that this investigation was not allowed to get to where the evidence shows. people probably don't follow the play by play like we do here in new york and washington. but they know that they want to get to the bottom of it. you'll see pushback to the point we've not seen in decades if it appears that this investigation was interfered with or stopped in its tracks. >> sure. they have to carry this thing out to the fullest, either way. on rick gates, the fact that
he's cooperate iing does that t you he must have offered up some piece of information that must be mighty significant? >> sure, absolutely. people have been quick to jump to conclusions because we see little snippets from court filings and hearing about certain things and say collusion is off the table. collusion is definitely not off the table. and the fact that mr. gates is cooperating, he absolutely has something that is something to this special counsel. it's really important that this be allowed to play out and people don't jump to conclusions either pro or anti-administration. >> joseph moreno, thank you very much. >> thanks, brooke. happy easter. >> thank you. same to you. >> coming up, the wife of the pulse nightclub shooter crying in court as she learned a jury acquitted her on terror charges. former fbi agent worked on the case. he will respond next. and the home state paper for this democratic congresswoman now calling on her to resign for
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>> i say from day one she's innocent. now we're looking forward to take my niece and hire the best therapist for her. i don't know how she's going to make up for the last two years. that's the only thing she has in her life, her son. that's all she wants. >> let's bring in josh campbell, law enforcement analyst and special supervisory agent. you were in orlando during the aftermath of this shooting. >> it was a very thorough investigation. i was down there in or left-hando with fbi leadership. the case was run by the hardworking fbi agents, analysts down there in the tampa office. being down there in the aftermath and having the opportunity to talk to some of the family members, the victims, they then and even now wanted some sense of justice. it's a tough day in that regard. i think what they can be certain of is that the fbi conducted a very thorough, exhaustive investigation in order to look into the shooter, in order to look into his contacts, his
motivations and they can be certain that that was done exhaustive. i think the problem rises when the very real human desire for some sense of tangible justice collides with the fact that there may not have been anyone else involved. i think in this case a jury of her peers determined she was not guilty. >> this verdict, josh, does it conclude the fbi's investigation into that pulse shooting? >> i think it does. if you look back, there were reports that the shooter himself had some type of contacts with individuals. there was one individual, american suicide bomber which i think washed out. the fbi has done an exhaustive investigation. we may never know what caused him to radicalize and declare his support to isis. that was the subject of an investigation. there is this lingering investigation we heard about last week with respect to his father and how his father was a former fbi informant and he, himself, is now under investigation. that will continue. i don't think that's so much
connect ed to this case. that has wrapped up. the family not out of the woods yet when it comes to their own involvement with the fbi. >> we'll watch it with the father. josh campbell, thank you very much. >> thanks. >> some of president trump's outside advisers are telling him he doesn't need a chief of staff or communications director. we'll talk to a former senior adviser, david axelrod on that and his charles barkley interview this weekend. why the former fbi star says he has never been more angry and disgusted with president trump. (vo) hearing a better day begins
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a major paper in connecticut calling for this democratic congresswoman from their home state to resign. elizabeth esty is now apologizing for, quote, failing to protect this former female staffer, who says she was abused by the congresswoman's former chief of staff. esty under fire for keeping tony baker on staff for three months
after learning within a week of these allegations against him. her staffer once dated baker, but said he then turned violent, punching her in her back, berating her, sexually assaulting her in esty's capitol hill office throughout 2013. the congresswoman in a statement saying she, quote, demanded counseling for my offending chief of staff and launched an internal review of management policy and practices and an investigation into what was going on in the office. she said it was through this review that she, quote, learned that the threat of violence was not an isolated incident but part of the pattern of behavior that victimized many of the women on my staff. it was then that it was decided he would go but not before she wrote him a reference letter for his next job at the gun violence prevention group, sandy hook promise, who terminated him this week. someone who knows his way around washington and the white house,
former senior adviser to president obama and cnn political commentator david axelrod. we'll get into your interview with sir charles in a second. on this connecticut congresswoman story, the fact that the hartford current is saying she should resign, should she be worrying about her job? >> there has to be a uniform standard. what she has to ask others and what she has to ask of her, if these same set of facts were presented to her and the congressman involved was, say, one of her colleagues on the republican side, would she be mute, would she be silent or call for some sort of action, resignation or discipline? i suspect that she would call for one or the other of those things. and so you have to apply the same standards to yourself. clearly, she did not handle this information the way she should. she did not handle the situation the way she should. and there probably should be
some action, whether it's resignation or there's an ethics committee proceeding. but this is not the standard by which we should expect our public figures to behave. >> we should point out she did speak up during the harassment allegations involving congressman john conyers saying we should be better, we should do better. i do think that points to a bit of hypocrisy on the part of the congresswoman. >> yeah. >> let me move on. i want to ask you about the west wing and some of what we've been hearing. some of our reporting is that the president has been talking on the phone to outside advisers who are basically saying to him you don't need a chief of staff or a communications director. is there any scenario, david that that might be a good thing? >> i can't think of none. it is consistent with the behavior we've seen from the president over the last many weeks. i think that he has concluded that his instincts got him to the presidency and that his instincts will carry him
through, and that he's tired of being told what he can't do. he's tired of being managed and he's going to fly by his own lights and take his chances. but this is not the trump organization. this is the united states government. this is the most sensitive and important office on the planet. and if you make miscalculations, there could be grave consequences. so, you need people around you, you know, brooke, i can only tell you, i sat next to the president of the states, literally, in the next office for two years. the volume of complicated matters that come before the president are such that you have to have help. you have to have organization. you have to be able to draw on expertise. you can't run it like the trump organization. so i think in the long run, we and he could pay a big price for that. >> charles barkley, a man who doesn't hold back on most things. you had a long chat with him. >> yes. >> let's watch charles barkley's thoughts on the president of the
united states. >> listen, i never talk bad about the president. i'm going to be factual. i've never been more angry and disgusted at this situation than i am now. this turmoil every single day, the tweeting, the hiring and firing. like, dude, i'm blessed and you are, too. it ain't really going to have a big effect on our life. but i actually have humanity. i want everybody to have a good life. i want everybody to have a good job. i want their kids to go to school. i want their kids to be safe. i want everybody to have economic opportunity. and i want to make sure we don't forget about daca. our public schools -- i don't want them to forget about those poor people in puerto rico either. i was watching the news last night. they're still six months out, they don't have power. we don't even mention them anymore. we're wasting our time on russia and stormy daniels.
it's ridiculous. >> tell me more. >> well, listen, that's charles. you know, charles speaks his mind and he speaks from -- in a kind of common sensical way. one of the reasons that trump supporters say that he feels like he's not edited, manicured, he says what he believes. that's one of charles' appeals as well. of course, they're saying different things. he was very outspoken about this, tough on the democratic party as well. he talked about guns. he talked about the ncaa. >> david let me stop you. we have that clip. let me play that clip. here is where he's tough on the democratic party. >> i remember on election night that you said that democrats had taken black voters for granted. >> forever. >> you democrats, and i told mr. jones this, and i love the -- they've taken the black vote and poor vote for granted for a long time. >> everybody in my life has
voted democrat our entire life and now we're starting like, well, how much has it really helped us? we know the republicans aren't better. let's get that out of the way. but if you're going to have us vote for you, we've got to start holding them accountable. our neighborhoods are not better. our schools are not better. crime is not better. so, we've got to start holding these politicians accountable. >> do you think he's right about the black vote? >> i don't think he's right that things aren't better. another part of the interview he said things are much better than when he was growing up in segregated alabama. part of that is because of what the democratic party did on civil rights. he is right that at many times the democratic party assumes the african-american votes and other minority votes, assumes the vote of poor people. doesn't communicate and engage in the way that it should. i think that's one of the reasons we saw the result we saw
in 2016. a lot of minority voters stayed home. charles barkley is articulating something that i think a lot of black voters feel. >> david axelrod, you are one of the best. thank you for coming on. >> thanks, brooke. great to be with you. >> we'll watch your interview tomorrow night 7:00 eastern here on cnn. coming up, the hottest show in america right now. partly because of its political themes in the trump era. now some comedians are refusing to watch roseanne. hear why.
he talked about jobs, jackie. he said he would shake things up. this might come as a complete shock to you, but we almost lost our house the way things are going. >> you have looked at the news? now things are worse. >> not on the real news. >> oh, please! >> roseanne, 2.0, mega ratings success this week, poised to renew the classic '90s sitcom for a second season but will people keep watching it? despite its huge hollywood comeback, a number of hollywood comedians are not feeling the new roseanne. let me bring in the writer from chelsea lately and cnn writer and analyst harry back in the
day roseanne was considered a pretty progressive show, that she would have voted for bill clinton. how has she become a trump supporter and how does that mirror real-life dem dprasks? >> essential we we see with rez ann barr, she would have voted for bernie sanders, had she had the opportunity in the general election. she is somebody, as with her character, a white person without a college degree. that show is based in the industrial midwest. these were voters that voted about 10 percentage points for bill clinton in 1996. switch all the way forward to 2016. donald trump carried those same voters, white voters would ut a college degree living in the industrial midwest by 30 percentage points. that's a huge shift. barr and connor both are emblematic of that. >> so those are the hard facts and the numbers. what about the opinions, heather? this is where i wanted to ask you. roseanne barr has been known for
retweeting and promoting really out there right-wing conspiracy theories. i was reading these tweets from prominent comedians this morning, stand-up comedian, responding to sarah silverman's endorsement with the show, the second part of his tweet, i can't watch a person who mocks teens whose friends were murdered who do you support the show and the actress? >> i totally support the show. female friends that are writing on it. they wrote a show that reflected where the connors might be today. and i thought it was brilliant. and whether you agree with roseanne barr's personal politics is -- you don't have to watch it. but just like liberal comedians are often annoyed when conservatives say we don't want to hear your politics, just such up and say your jokes, she has a right to have a different opinion and has a right to tweet
it, just like every other american and still be allowed to entertain us. >> i think it's important, too, on the show and in real life she's this trump supporter. but on the show you have dj in this interracial relationship, darlene has a gender fluid kid, jackie's a hillary supporter turned jill stein supporter. >> i think it's great that they have those elements. it also shows that someone that may have supported trump and still supports trump today are open minded about social concerns and gender fluidity and the way they see their grandchildren and how they're adjusting to the differences in america. and because they may have voted for trump, because of what she said in that clip about jobs and economy does not mean that they believe everything down the line of the republican party of today or yesteryear. people could have different
things on things. you can be a republican and be for gun control. i think it reflects that in the show and i like that. >> what the president, harry, to you? we know about the phone call. he's all about tv stars and ratings, and both of which with this show. he called her up and congratulated her and is taking credit for the show's success so far. do you think he deserves it? >> he did not -- >> this is for harry. >> go ahead. sorry. sorry. >> donald trump will claim credit for anything. i think roseanne barr is a gifted comediennecomedienne. it's a funny show. obviously the trump angle has something to do with it. that's why it was so successful. at the end of the day, it's roseanne barr and the writers and that's why people tuned in and perhaps has been renewed for a second season. >> same question, heather. does he get credit? >> he doesn't get credit but one
show put him in a somewhat positive light. in the last year and a half, nothing else has. let him enjoy roseanne with the 18 other million people. >> and to your writer friends on the show, congrats to them. 18 million viewers. did they feel the pressure to keep, you know, conspiracy theories, to keep all that at bay and suck people in the next week? >> i'm sure, like anybody, they would probably wish that she, just like donald trump, might control her more controversial tweets. as far as writing the show, i think they were very smart to reflect this part of america within the family and also include a part of america that maybe feels there aren't any shows that reflect them on tv right now and they're going to watch this one. i think it was absolutely genius. >> heather and haerks thank you. to the both of you. >> thank you. >> still ahead here on krn, independent autopsy showing an unarmed man shot and killed by police in sacramento.
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the judge in bill cosby's retrial has pushed it back. cosby has pleaded guilty to charges that he allegedly drugged and sexual assaulted at his nome pennsylvania. the 80-year-old actor and comedian's first trial ended in a hung jury in june of last year. jean casarez is with me from norristown, p.a. what is different about cosby's retrial? >> reporter: there will be so
many things that are different. troerns in behind closed doors talking about jury selection. that does begin on monday. we learned one thing that may be very different and it is the issue of quaaludes. you may remember during the last trial, it was allowed in. a part of deposition that bill cosby gave during the civil case where he says that he got prescriptions for quaaludes and he gave quaaludes to women he wanted to have sex with. he then changed it to a woman. today defense stood up and said, you know, there's just too much here. you're allowing five women to take stand to testify that bill cosby drugged me and sexually assaulted me, which are prior bad acts, and flower you're thinking of letting in about the quaaludes? that's another bad act. that is blatant unfair to our side. the judge seemed to really listen to that. he has not made a decision. the fact is this case is about
one woman. her name is andrea conassistant. she went to police saying bill cosby drugged and assaulted her. she thought of him as her mentor. i sat down exclusively with bill cosby's lead attorney. >> you believe they had a romantic relationship. >> i don't think there's any gout that fact. the testimony was that she had been to his home a couple of different occasions. that there had been romantic settings and interludes. >> she testified at the relationship was not romantic. he was a mentor. as for the romantic interludes she says happened, she insisted they were passes from cosby that she rebuffed which made sense to
diana who says her sister has no interest in romantic interludes with men. >> andrea was actually 16 years old when she told us that she was gay. >> cosby's attorneys used phone records to try to prove a romantic relationship. pointing to more than 50 calls constand made to her before march 31 when she left temple. >> and andrea constand testified during the last trial that she did call business cosby and she returned calls from bill cosby after the alleged drugging and sexual assault. she worked at temple. he was very involved with the women's basketball team and it was part of her job duty and she did what sled to do. court has finished for the day. now it is on to jury selection monday morning at 9:00. >> i'm curious for the retrial,
what has bill cosby been up to this whole time? >> reporter: he's been laying low. during the summer he did a bit of a comedy routine in the philadelphia area. even to the point of seeing a report he around there saying don't put me as part of me too movement. also on a very sad note, his daughter passed away. so he had to go through that. that was just weeks ago. burying her. she was ill but it was still obviously very, very difficult. but he's 80 years old. and he is facing life in prison, virtual will he for the rest of his days. so this is a very serious situation. he has tom meszaros out of california. of course, tom meszaros getting so many clients, out and out acquittals including michael jackson. >> thank you so much. do not miss jean's special report. the case against cosby. we are just getting news that actor arnold schwarzenegger
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