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there's a real life roseanne barr who praised the president for his work against pimps. plus, the president has declared a war on amazon. up early today, tweeting about it again. he says amazon is bad for america. is he right? or is he picking on ceo jeff bezos because he owns "the washington post"? also, a golf star since age 2, one of the most famous people on earth and one of the least well known. but a new biography finally make us understand tiger woods as he prepares to tee off at this week's masters. i'll talk to one of the authors. but first, one of the more interesting stories this week was the huge audience that the revival of "roseanne" attracted. when abc launched with two episodes tuesday night the show had an average of 17.7 million viewers in the first half hour, 18.6 million in the second. it's already been renewed for a second season. the story of a working class family of five that hasn't been
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on air since 1997 clearly struck a chord and the question is why? some will say that nostalgia is at play, but i discount that. the show did a strong 5.1 share among adults 18 to 49. and 20 somethings who partially compromised the audience weren't part of the viewership. roseanne barr the series star in real life voted for president trump and her character in the reboot is revealed to be a trump backer. >> thank you for making america great again. >> how could you have voted for him? >> he talked about jobs, jackie. he'd shake things up. we almost lost our house the way things are going. >> now things are worse. >> not on the real news. >> oh, please! >> the president thinks it's that simple.
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he called the real life roseanne to congratulate her and in thursday he told his audience this. >> even look at roseanne. i called her yesterday. look at her ratings. look at her ratings. [ applause ] i got a call from mark burnett, he did "the apprentice." i called to say hello. and to tell you did you see roseanne's ratings? i said, mark, how big were they? they were unbelievable. over 18 million people. and it was about us. >> here's the thing about that us. look at the top markets for the debut as "the new york times" puts it it's a red state check list. cincinnati, tulsa, indianapolis, kansas city. liberal enclaves like new york and l.a. they didn't crack the top 20 markets. and that fits what ben sherwood the president of abc told "the new york times" that this was a
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heartland strategy. he says that the day after the president's election, abc executives looked at one another and to their credit said this's a lot about this country we need to learn a lot more about. he said that roseanne's revival was a direct effort to reach an audience that they were underserving. i get that. i'm sure it's accurate. but on this the day before easter and the day after many enjoyed family at seder, i think there's a related aspect. she tells the story of family dynamics. her sister jackie played by lori metcalf is a hillary supporter and voted for jill stein. the all or nothing red state or blue state portrayed by cable television news is not reality. for many of us enjoying the company of friends and relatives this weekend, our worlds will be much more like roseanne's than the narrative we see in our leaders and their media
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mouthpieces. this weekend, many of us will be a butter knife away from a loved one who sees the world differently. the president said that roseanne was all about us and he's correct. but it's not just about that ohio crowd. it's about all of us. i want to know what you think. go to my website, roseanne's ratings success is more attributable to the show's politics or the show's quality? through all of the staff chaos the resignations, the indictments, the porn star scandals and the tweets the president's poll numbers are going up. in the latest cnn poll the president's approval has gone up since last month from 35% to 42%. it remains steady among ds in the basement at 5%. but for republicans, his approval has risen from 80 to 86% and even more interestingly to me among independents,
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identical six point rise. neil newhouse is a partner and cofounder of the republican polling organization public opinion strategies. he was lead pollster for governor mitt romney in 2012. you're a political polling guy but i must ask you about television ratings. i want to do know if you see a connection between the roseanne's success and the uptick for the president? >> my first question is what took so long for the networks to kind of get it in terms of programming? you look at the country right now and it reflects president trump's numbers. 37% are conservative, 47% have a gun in their household. 70% of americans describe themselves as either working class or middle class. this is flyover country. you look at that data, you are exactly right in terms of the top ten markets being kind of
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red state targets with the exception of chicago, obviously. this is flyover country. this is the heartland of the country. there wasn't a single coastal city, you know, in the top ten there. the networks -- there was an appetite out there among middle america for this kind of programming for real programming that has, you know, some conservative elements to it. >> to what do you attribute the uptick in the president's numbers? is it the economy, stupid? >> well, i discount any one single poll. the cnn -- i don't think president trump's numbers have moved seven points but what i did is i took a look at the last seven kind of credible national surveys and averaged them all together. kind of, you know, reweighted it. what you found is exactly what you talked about. which is the president's edged up among republicans some, but his major movement is among independents. i think the -- what's really
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pushing that is the perception that we're in good economic times. if you look at the other polling data showing economic numbers, americans were more positive toward the economy than they had been in more than a decade and some data indicates more than since the turn of the century, since 2001. so i think it's the economy driving that data and secondly, i think it's -- to some extent it's the president showing strength. this is the man that voters thought they were electing. he has shown strength with respect to tariffs, with the economy and now taking on and, you know, working with north korea for instance. so i think it's an example of the president being strong and the economy kind of boosting his numbers somewhat. >> is he wise politically speaking is he wise to take on amazon? when he speaks of the size of amazon and amazon posing a threat to mom and pop operations i totally get that. on the other hand, don't
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interrupt any amazon prime, i'm expecting a delivery today. >> you and i both are, i think, michael. i think it's an interesting strategy. i think he is -- he is playing back to his roots of kind of small town -- rural small town, mom and pop businesses, small businesses. people who think they have been hurt by this. people who are not able to kind of keep up with technology. so whether that's a good play or a bad play long term i'm not sure yet. but it's really interesting. you know, you wonder how much it's tied to his antipathy toward "the washington post" and others but there is a sense out there that amazon has cost main street cities and towns across the country hundreds of thousands of jobs. >> hey, neil, i talked about roseanne's ratings and roseanne for all the strength of her tuesday night showing lagged behind where anderson cooper was in interviewing stormy daniels last sunday night.
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the nation turned out to watched stormy, but politically speaking, can't we conclude now it's not moving the needle? the white house quote/unquote chaos, all the turnover, not moving the needle because of these polling numbers that we have just seen for president trump. >> it's not moving the needle because it's already baked in. people know that the president maybe messed around. this is not new news. what moves the needle is when voters are exposed to something new. something they hadn't heard before. something they maybe didn't expect. that's just not the case here. and so a little more turmoil in the white house or the stormy daniels it's interesting, you want to tune in. but it won't change anybody's opinions. those numbers aren't going to change because of stormy daniels. but hey michael, the one thing that i think is interesting is if you look at president trump's numbers over the past year since he has been elected, he has traded with a very narrow band. like his high has been 45%, his
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low has been 35%. and when you compare that to other previous presidents, george w., bill clinton, obama, those presidents in the first year, year and half in office they were in a 30-point margin between their highest number and the lowest number which really indicates to me that even though president trump has maybe a rock hard, you know, floor, and rock hard base, he has a very low ceiling. and the ceiling right now is probably not much more than 45% which is really unusual for a first term president. >> i appreciate your analysis. i don't share your desire for kansas to win tonight against nova. but thank you for being here. >> hey, michael, i got something for you. you would look great in this t-shirt. >> no, not going to do it. >> and the villanova wildcats.
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thank you, neil, appreciate it. tweet me @smerconish. ly read some responses -- i will read some responses. what's come in already. smerconish, on abc, american voters are taking our country and values back one roseanne at a time. look out hollywood. hey, mike, this is pilot season and i'm sure this ratings success for abc on tuesday night has completely upended that which is in the pipeline. one more if we have time for it. i watched nostalgically, i don't think watching is a politically, and if so, i'm team jackie. everything old is new again. u2 was out doing the joshua tree in concert. i loved to see steely dan create asia in its entirety. i get that some is nostalgia, but that's not a complete explanation. i want to remind you to answer the survey question. roseanne's rating's success is
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more attributable to the -- the president is going to war against amazon. is he hurting his cause by politicizing this? i'll talk to the former ceo of toys "r" us. -if you told me a year ago where i'd be right now...
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president trump stepped up his ongoing attack on amazon this week, firing off two more tweets this morning accusing it of hurting the u.s. economy. the president has been attacking amazon for not paying the share of state and local tacks, draining resources from the postal service and driving other retailers out of business. he has singled them out for criticism because their ceo jeff bezos also owns "the washington post" which is regularly a thorn in the president's side. but is he right? i asked my sirius xm listeners this week whether the president's criticism of amazon was founded over 4,000 voted. we had a statistical dead heat. a 50-50 tie. joining me now is jerry storch. the former ceo of toys "r" us and he's now the ceo of storch advisers. he knows bezos and once did a
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deal with him. let's put back on the screen the morning tweets from the president and parse them if we can. they say this. while we were on the subject it is reported that the u.s. post office will lose $1.50 on average for each package it delivers for amazon that amounts to billions of dollars, the failing "new york times" reports that the size of the lobbying staff has ballooned. before i deal with that, let me ask you about the post office criticism. is it founded as far as you know? >> well, it's very difficult to break that out. benjamin franklin is turning over in his grave. as you know being there in philadelphia the reason for the post office was to deliver first class mail. unfortunately that's on steep decline as people use e-mail, facebook, other ways to communicate so the post office has moved to parcel delivery as saving a hail mary pass. but they lose money in total, in general. how would you like to run a business that's overseen by the government?
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it's basically a utility that loses money. so the question then is that utility that loses money more and more becomes a package delivery service and amazon is the largest company and it's still losing money are we subsidizing a for profit company in amazon? one study says they do lose money on each package they deliver for amazon. most of the articles have been so superficial to be ridiculous because all they look at is revenues. they say oh, look, the revenue growth is growing on the parcel side. so amazon is good for the post office. but my bet is if i really got in there at storch advisers and tore apart the cost of operation there you would see on the margin they make money but if you fully load the cost they lose money on each package they're delivering. >> my kids don't even know what a number 10 envelope is. you know? it seems like such a snapshot from the past. so i get that the post office problems are much more deep than whatever the amazon deal might be. let me ask you this. especially given your target and
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your toys "r" us background what the president says about brick and mortar locations he's absolutely right there. is he not? >> well, look, amazon is great. jeff bezos is a genius. so they're mostly good for the world. he's a revolutionary. but they're not all good and they're not going to be good forever the way that things are going. so i have argued for over 20 years that amazon needs to charge sales tax. they started in 1995, they should have charged it from the beginning. only more recently have they charged sales tax on first party sales. and they still don't collect sales tax on the over half their sales done in the third party marketplace. all of this is based on some antiquated supreme court decision pre-amazon where the court begged congress to get involved and fix what it called a quagmire. it hadn't been fixed in all that time. so, you know, jeff has done what
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any business person would do. he's used a -- you know, what i think is a mistake and it's a loophole in the law to avoid charging sales tax. even today, it's favoring -- this huge volume of third party marketplace sellers over main street. putting people out of business. these are people on main street who have to collect sales tax and it costs more when you pay the sales tax. these are people who support the hockey team, they pay their sales tax and give money towards the infrastructure, schools, roads. so it's a big problem. all we ever asked as retailers is for a level playing field. how ridiculous that amazon should have this kind of advantage. so that is just horrible. meanwhile -- >> axios has reported this week -- i'm sorry, i was going to say that axios has spoken of changing the tax policy with regard to amazon. does it feel a little personal? i tell you that the president's
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opposition to the at&t/time warner merger has felt a little personal to me, taking out his antipathy towards cnn. is this the same? is this because of "the washington post"? >> well, there's no way of knowing anyone's motives so it's pretty difficult for me to get into that. i can deal with the facts of the situation. the facts are that amazon does not collect sales tax on over half of its sales. the third party market sales and amazon pays little or no taxes. they don't make no money, which is infuriating, so they don't have to make any money. everyone else does. as our business shifts to online we see lower profitability in the online sales and yet we're supposed to make money. so they don't pay income tax, they don't have income. so that brings you the last topic that's been increasingly on everyone's mind is there an antitrust action that will be taken against amazon? by my way of thinking you have to do something wrong for people
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to take antitrust action against you. i don't think they have done anything wrong. they have gotten large by being great and running their business very well. but the future could be different as their search business has grown tremendously, right now over half of all searches for products on the internet are done on and they're buying up a lot of google search share. secondly, their home automation through alexa is the leading home automation device. so if that's the closed system and the only way of getting action is through the home automation i see this in the future of -- it might be critically important along the lines of what we have seen in the lot of antitrust cases over the years. microsoft got into trouble over tying internet explorer with their windows product. >> i don't see the clock getting turned back. i lack your credentials in this regard. but i think we are all now so
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accustomed and so enjoy using our devices to that -- to make the purchases, i don't see an antitrust violation they can hang their hat on but it will be replaced by another purchasing capability. >> well, they should collect sales tax and contribute to our local economies and our -- in a proper way. you know, as far as i see it, they have won primarily by being a fantastic competitor and asking the customer what she wants. >> i appreciate you being here. >> thank you. let us see what you're saying on the pages. should we go back to horse and buggies, darn those things called automobiles that put those horses out of business. i get it, mary. hit me with the next one. what have we got? bezos is the richest man in the world and uber successful.
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trump is jealous. he has to borrow money from the russians because every venture he touches fails. you're angry. i don't know he's jealous of him but the criticism that comes from "the washington post" that he regards as being unfounded it's hard not to believe that that's a factor in the president's thinking. up next this week tiger woods tees off at the masters where he won his first victory 21 years ago. i'm going to talk to the co-author of the new biography that many say finally reveals the real tiger. >> when he was 11 months old i took a break and he walked right over, picked up the little putter. set up just like i did. looked at the net as his target. took the club back and hit the ball right in the center of the net.
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he's one of the most famous people on the planet and yet one of the hardest to get to know. until now. golf star tiger woods will tee off at the master's tournament in augusta just as the most in depth look at his career and life hits the bookstores. remember, he was ranked number one in the world for a record 683 weeks. at the height of his career he helped golf beat the nfl and nba in tv ratings. he was the youngest golfer in history to win a major and the first golfer with african-american heritage to do so. but after an suv crash in november of 2009 it's just never been the same. for three years, authors jeff benedict and others created a portrait being praised by writers who are covering tiger for years. the book "tiger woods" has already been sold as a docuseries to netflix to be directed by alex gibbny. joining me is jeff benedict, also a special feature writer
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for "sports illustrated." i'm glad you began in november of 2009 with the suv crash. now i get it. tiger had taken an ambien, he is zonked out. elin picks up his phone and sees a message he has received and she replies to it as tiger and that's when it all hits the fan. >> it does. we had a lot of discussion, armand and i internally about how to start this book, where to begin. we thought that we should start with barefoot and groggy, the most powerful athlete on the planet, hid behind a locked bathroom door that's the first sentence of the book and the right place to start. because tiger makes a decision in that moment to flee. and it's the start of the most precipitous fall in the history of sports. >> so the perception is he's never been the same since then, proving that it's all in his head? that it's not in his game? is that true though? >> i don't think that's true.
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i think tiger's head, his -- what's between his ears is what's made him unbeatable when he was at the prime of his career. a big part of our tiger woods biography is going back to how tiger was made. his father used to use language like he wanted his son to be, you know, a cold blooded assassin. he wanted him to be lethal on the golf course. and tiger was really wired that way by his parents, but largely his dad. it's why he was such -- such an unbeatable opponent on the golf course. but it also factored into why he had some of the social issues that he had off the golf course. one of which was a long time disdain for the media. an obsession with privacy and we think that a lot of that was misunderstood in terms of why he's like that. and that was one of the things that we tried to get into and tried to figure out why does
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tiger have such a disdain for the press? why is he so obsessed about privacy? we came around to that finally by realizing if you look back at how this all started for him, as a 2-year-old he was put on national television. he was -- in front of audiences of millions. >> i want to show it. i want to show that unbelievable mike douglas clip. let me tell everybody going into it. you are going to see mike douglas, bob hope and jimmy stewart. roll it. >> right now, i want you to meet tiger woods and his father, earl woods. [ applause ] >> perfect!
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>> earl, how old is -- how old are you, tiger? >> 2. >> 2? >> hey, jeff, this is the ultimate nature/nurture question. if my father had me golfing at age 2, would i be tiger woods or was he just born with the gift? was it earl or was it innate? >> you would not be tiger woods, i can tell you that. >> i don't think so either, you're right. >> the answer to your question is it's both. there's a tremendous amount of nurturing that goes on from earl and his mother, but also some innate gifts that tiger woods has. you can take another kid and put him in that situation and he wouldn't be -- become what tiger became. but let me just go back to that clip you just showed a minute ago. it's interesting, as we watched that, we watched that segment over and over again, it's easy to see on the surface that this is funny, it's cute. bob hope and jimmy stewart and all this going on, but if you
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look really closely at what's actually happening in this, there's also a sad side to this. if you watch the end of this clip, tiger's asked to do some putting to putt into the cup. it's a simple putt and he misses and misses. finally, the last time that he's going to get to putt, he picks up the ball and moves it right to the edge of the cup and taps it in. bob hope is slapping his knee, laughing. it's a hilarious moment but what you're seeing is a boy at 2 who is so -- he wants so badly to please his father. that's one thing. the second thing is you see this incredibly nervous tugging of the ear. it's interesting that after that interview, jimmy stewart pulled mike douglas aside and said i have seen a lot of precocious, innocent children like this and a lot of starry-eyed parents. i think that that was a very insightful observation by jimmy stewart who had certainly seen his fair share of both of those. >> let me say this. i'm for tiger.
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i want a redemption story. i followed him around at the u.s. open a couple of years an all four or five days. am i going to get what i'm looking for? >> we sure hope so. and the last chapter of our book, you know, we talked about it opens in a locked bathroom in 2009. the last scene of our book takes place at torrey pines two months ago. it's tiger's return to the pga tour. and we were -- by the time we got to that point in the book, both armand and i were so impressed by this man's comeback. forget golf for a second. he might win in the masters, he could win, we hope he does win, but what's far more important and transcends golf and sports is the human comeback of tiger woods. if you look at what this man has been through in the last nine years of his life everything from the infidelity crisis to the opioid problem to four back surgeries and being away from the game, to be where he is now
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when you see him it's clear. he's a different person. he's a new man. he's 42 years old. he's a happy father. and he's got his swing back. i think -- it's a great american story. >> i agree. hey, jeff, thank you. we all -- you know, we all after seeing somebody bottom out we want to see them rise again like the phoenix. thank you. the book is terrific. i wish you good things. >> thank you. still to come, former supreme court justice john paul stevens advocates repealing the second amendment but in doing so is he hurting the cause of gun reform? remember, if you haven't done so, go to my website, answer this question. is roseanne's ratings success more attributable to the show's politics or the show's quality? i'll give you the results in a couple of minutes. hello. let's go for a ride on a peloton. let's go grab a couple thousand friends and chase each other up a hill. let's go make a
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it's not often a former supreme court justice publishes an op-ed in "the new york times" weighing in on the constitution, but that happened this week. when 97-year-old john paul stevens who stepped down in 2010 published an opinion piece that the second amendment should be
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abolish. but that played into the hands of nra die hards who are worried that the talk of reform would lead to their guns being taken way. when there's constitutional issues to be wrestled where my go to guy is jeffrey rosen a professor at george washington law school. as if that's not enough, he just published the latest book in the american president series on number 27. william howard taft. hey, jeffrey, i say it's unusual. does it ever happen? this is like a former president weighing in on their predecessor right after they leave office and that doesn't take place. >> i can't remember one calling for the repeal of the second amendment before. and chief justice tawny who rules against lincoln, no one is listening to him so he self-publishes his own opinion hoping that someone will pay attention to it.
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but generally they call for decision to be overturned in the decisions themselves. this is a remarkable and striking departure. >> take us back to civics class, remind us what's necessary for the repeal of the constitutional amendment. >> it's a hard thing to do. generally you need two-thirds of both houses of congress to propose the amendment and three-quarters of the state legislatures to approve it. therefore, justice stevens has claimed that the repeal would be easy seems overly optimistic. >> and to the point that laurence tribe and others make that this is the worst strategy because it plays politically speaking into the hands of the nra. provide me your assessment. >> i think professor tribe is correct. the core meaning of the second amendment agreed to by liberals and conservatives was to prevent the federal government from taking away the arms of citizens so they could defend themselves against federal tyranny. you can get that from the national constitution center's
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interactive constitution. check out the app where the top liberal and conservative scholars neilson lunden and winkler agree about that. so concern about total disarms of the citizens is at the core. this is what the nra is constantly warning will happen. what's so striking about this proposal is it's completely unnecessary in the heller opinion that justice stevens dissented from, the regulation of guns ranging from preventing guns in schools and having background checks and so forth are perfectly constitutional. furthermore, 44 states allow open carry even though the supreme court hasn't said that's constitutionally required. you can pass all the gun control regulation without appealing the second amendment and to call for the second amendment would inflame the politics to a degree we haven't seen roe vs. wade. >> the 2008 heller decision to which you just referred is the only case in the modern era.
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perhaps the only case where the supreme court really has drilled down on what does it mean, a well regulated militia and what did they decide? >> they decided that the second amendment has at its core an individual right, which includes a right of self-defense but that nevertheless, reasonable regulations are perfectly okay. justice scalia singled out the regulation of guns in schools or hospitals or unusual weapons that are not in general use such as assault weapons and background checks, so forth. so in other words if we have a gun control problem in this country it's not the fault of the supreme court. it's the fault of congress and the state legislatures that are refuses to pass the kinds of reasonable regulations that the supreme court said was okay and i'd really do want listeners to check out the interactive constitution. you will see areas of agreement and disagreement. but the core concern of not having the citizens disarmed by
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the federal government was the core agreement at the time of the framing. >> i want to say this, i read your taft book i think it's excellent. there's a role reversal of our two parties in terms of who are the protectionists. >> yes. it's remarkable that president taft tried to lower the tariffs to increase corporate taxes and to balance the budget. the republicans before him had been the protectionist party. he set the gop down a path toward free trade that prevailed until the 2016 election. i argue that taft was the most judicial president and presidential chief justice trying to defend the office against new populist threats represented by wilson and roosevelt that we are seeing resurrected in america today. so he can teach us a lot about the current vexations. >> all i remembered is he's the one who never wanted to be president. jeffrey, thank you.
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appreciate you being here. >> thank you. still to come your best and worst tweets and facebook comments. what have we got? unfortunately, it's this kind of talk that makes conversation about common sense gun laws difficult. 's swinging the pendulum too far. that's laurence tribe's position at harvard, justice stevens, don't do it. all you're doing is playing into the hands of the nra because this is what they have been telling people we have wanted for years and we don't. it's unnecessary. and it's impractical. remember, if you have not been to my website, it's and cast a ballot on the poll question of the day because i'm about to give you the result. roseanne's rating success which is it more attributable to -- the show's politics or the show's quality? di e? you don't want to live with mom and dad forever, do you? i'm making smoothies! how do i check my credit score? credit karma. don't worry, it's free. credit karma. give yourself some credit.
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let's do this. time to see how you responded to the ser va question. which is rosanne's success more attributed to? 10,000 say a tie, unbelievable. keep voting. i'll leave it up through the weekend. what else do we have in terms of social media reaction? that is too funny. i love the fact it's an audience that is reaching all sides, and i mean mine, not hers. so true, you don't have to hate those you disagree with.
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i'm tired of the boycott m mentality. i love the real rosanne. my opening comment was simply to say many of our holiday tables last night or tomorrow, we're going to have people of mixed views and we love them nonetheless and there are friends and family. as i i say i will be a butter knife away from people of all persuasions and perspectives. give me another one. michael, you are carrying the water of this president. you keep carrying the water of the president, and can you stop being the trump basher in chief? lewis, welcome to my world. it's unbelievable how people will come to opposite conclusions. oh, you're so unfair to trump. i'm simply calling it week in and week out.
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given the coverage he has afforded his numbers are on the rise, and that requires some discussion, which we had. give me another one. donald trump's vendetta against jeff bezos, and amazon is 100% political and should be below. in that regard i fear that you are correct. hey, before we go i want to send get well wishes to my friend and friend of this program arnold schwarzenegger who i just interviewed here last week. on friday he went to the hospital to get surgery to replace a heart valve for a heart defect. after the surgery arnold being arnold his first words when he woke up, i'm back. well, here's hoping for a very speedy recovery. everybody else, have a great
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