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welcome, everyone. good to have you with us this hour. i'm cyril vanier. >> and we're continuing our coverage of the air strikes in syria. u.s. president donald trump is declaring mission accomplished. this after the u.s., france and u.k. launched their operation against syria's chemical weapons program early saturday. the strikes included aircraft and missiles and followed a suspected chemical attack in douma last week. the u.s. says more than 100 missiles were fired and all hit their targets. >> but syria and its ally russia deny that. they claim that most of the missiles were actually intercepted and that the attack was repelled. however, videos on the ground
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show significant damage, and this is said to have been what you saw earlier was a research center in damascus. what you're seeing now is the reporters that weave across the world. >> let's go straight to the region now neighboring on syria fred plikn join s us live. what has the reaction been since the strikes, the last 24, 48 hours? >> reporter: yeah, i mean on the one hand i think that most people inside syria will believe that syrian president bashar al assad, bianca, is just as strong in power as he was before. in fact, it seemed yesterday he was almost taunting the big powers, america, britain and france with that video he put out of himself seemingly casually coming to his office. and if you speak to the people on syria they believe this is one off shot, that the things that were hit were insignificant
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to assad's overall large military structure. and they think his campaign that he has going on, the military campaign will continue the exact same way as it did before. and i think one of the things that's telltale about all this is that the syrian military and government since this alleged attack happened and even after these missile strikes yesterday declared that the entire region eastern ghouta, they say they have completely taken over that entire region. of course douma was the center piece of that and was already on the way of negotiating the surrender and moving onto other parts of syria. but him winning that part of damascus, ghouta is one ofhe big military victories of the army of the entire civil war. so the air strikes that happened really now in damascus don't
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phase anybody anymore. certainly don't seem to phase assad especially in lith of the fact he's just cleared an area that did have about 400,000 people on the outskirts of damascus that was under rebel control, bianca. >> you had a great line saying the feeling among assad supporters were that the latest air strikes were seen as symbolic rather than being game changing in anyway. so this is clearly something the allies won't be pleased with. would you feel safe in saying it really hadn't shifted the dial at all in the region when it comes to the power balance? >> reporter: no, i don't think it's shifted at all. i think that the russians are going to continue to stand by syrian president bashar al assad. i think the iranians are going to continue to stand by him. i think on the military side of things it hadn't changed anything at all. when you look at what's going on
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around damascus and other places in syria, then you can see a clear pattern of countries that are committed to syria for better or worse and with all the horrible things this entails for so many civilians. we have to keep in mind as these big powers in syria continue to battle each other or to be adversaries of one other it is always the syrian civilians that suffer the most. you can tell there is that sphere of influence and control that the assad government has that is expanding and consolidating. you have a fear of influence that the turks have that their consolidating slely but it is growing. and the small sphere that the u.s. has a hand in. but there's not many players on the ground that believe the u.s. is in it for the long run. so by and large the strikes seem to be -- and quite frankly it's what the americans are saying. they say they didn't want to influence the balance of power on the battlefield.
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presumably the u.s. may have achieved that, but certainly as far as the balance of power on the battlefield and the confidence the assad power regime has i don't think anything has changed. >> thanks for your reporting. >> american, french and british leaders have spent quite a bit of time on the phone talking to other world leaders explaining their action and getting support. shinzo abe says he fully supports the strikes. japanese prime minister added the use of chemical weapons is inhumane and should absolutely not be allowed. >> at the united nations saturday more finger pointing and heated rhetoric. the u.s. says it's quote, locked and loaded if it needs to act again. france is proposing another security council resolution. it calls for a new mechanism to investigate chemical weapons attacks in syria and for a third party review of humanitarian evacuations. the u.s. and great britain back that. >> phil black is in london and
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ati atika schubert in paris. phil, donald trump says mission accomplished. is theresa may, the british prime minister, as triumphant? >> no, nothing as triumphant as that. the message here is much more cautious, much more subdued from downing street. they're stressing they believe the attacks were a success, and they're welcoming the broad international support they say they're receiving from countries around the world for acting in this way. the prime minister is really only just beginning the domestic political seal on this military action in a way because she's defied what has been a political convention in this country, which is to seek political approval before launching any military action. she didn't do that. she didn't have to do that, but as i said it's been the convention since 2003, and this has been a country that has been
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deeply skeptical about military action. not just air strikes or mill stare action itself but also what follows when plans are in place to deal with the consequences both understood and expected when it it comes to striking militarily in this way. so what we've been hearing from british officials has been this ongoing message of this being very limited, precise, calibrated specifically targeting chemical weapons capability alone, not about regime change, not about intervening in the syrian conflict. simply sending a message to reinforce what they say is a vital international law, and that is that chemical weapons should not be used. >> and atika in paris where you are, is there a sense that this military campaign is over or they're going to have to stick with this over the long haul? >> reporter: well, i think a sense that it's over for now. i mean that's certainly what we're hearing from the defense minister, the foreign min st.ster that this was a limed
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strike. but the france, the u.s. and the u.k. is willing to focus more efforts in the future. we heard from the british prime minister, donald trump, but we haven't heard directly from the french president emmanuel macron yet. everything that was communicated from him yesterday was via twitter, and we are waiting to hear from him today. he is scheduled to this interview with our affiliate, so hopefully we'll hear from him directly soon. >> the u.k. has a perspective on all of this because they recently saw a chemical attack on their soil that they blame on russia. to what ectent are they looking at all of this as one common chemical threat? >> sure, so what you're talking about there is the use of a nerve agent against a former russian spy, something that's been dominating headlines obviously for weeks now. and yes it is being mentioned in the same context of this military action because the british government says this is
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not just targeted at syria. there is a wider message here to the international community and not breaching that norm on chemical weapons. so it applies more broadly. in addition to that the british foreign secretary has said that it was right, that britain stand with the u.s. and france and take part in this military action because those were two countries instrumental in building an international group, if you like, against russia over the use of that nerve agent. in gathering together those 20 or so countries excelling 120 diplomats from around the world. yes, the british government is using the salisbury incident as part of its wider justification for taking part in this military action. >> atika, french authorities since the strike have been saying they want a political solution in seralia and pushing for that at the u.n.
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after so many failed attempts are they sincere? >> reporter: i think they're very sincere. i think france realizes really the only way forward with this is a diplomatic and plitdolitic solution. and this is why you see france at the u.n. drafting that solution. and yesterday france's ambassador said there are three points. first to dismantle syria's chemical weapons program if good, and secondly he says there has to be a cease-fire to get military convoys into eastern gouta. this is exactly what they've been trying to do for the last few years and it hasn't gotten anywhere, but france is determined to move forward at least with this diplomatic push. >> thank you both. and russia and turkey have agreed to work together on this syria crisis despite having
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opposing views of the u.s. air strike. >> according to state media the presidents of both countries spoke on the phone saturday about the strike. russian president vladimir putin said the air strike violates the u.n. charter and international law. >> meanwhile in a televised speech turkey's president said it would not have been a solution. >> nick, we've been hearing from our reporters all over the globe about how assad seems fairly unphased, the allied response. so if you could just draw those threads together for us to tell us do you think that this mission as defined by the allies was a success? >> reporter: it's a success in sending a message that there's a
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red line, but i think if you're sitting in moskow at the kremlin you'll be look at the narrow focus and some of the reasons behind that narrow folk squs the agreement why it focused own chemical weapons whereas certainly president trump had perhaps indicated he would have liked something bigger and perhaps strategically if you wanted to find a way to pressure president bashar al assad towards the peace talks in geneva, these are the u.n. peace talks that were started as a result of u.n. security resolution 2254 which was supported unanimously by all nations including russia, which laid out a political transition through a new constitution, new elections in syria that would lead to a transition of power away by bashar al assad. and every time those talks have sort of come to a point of question it has always fallen to russia to put pressure on president assad to make those
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key concessions and russia has failed to be either to put that pressure on him or not put that pressure on him. so, you know, if you're standing in the position before the strikes thinking what's the best effect that we could cause here beyond making sure that chemical weapons aren't used in the future, it might have been to find a way to put military pressure on that president assad would feel his only option was to now go for peace talks in geneva as part of u.n. security counsel resolution 2254. but as i say it you're sitting in the kremlin and analyzing what's happened, the very narrow focus, you perhaps realize there isn't enough political census or political will. in britain, for example, it may be paris as well, maybe less as much in the united states for a coalition to form that could have that broader strategy and target perhaps things that are much closer to president assad's
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personal interest and perhaps make him feel more personally that absolutely he really does need to think about his future and not just winning the conflict in syria. so i think if you're in the kremlin you recognize the weakness of theresa may's position, for example, where she will face questioning. and there is a possibility to the position she has political hostility to the u.k. for the position she's taken. and there is historic narrative for that. prime minister tony blare following george bush into the war in iraq with the consequences that happened with the war in iraq and the use of weapons of mass introductions as a narrative to get into that war. all that political baggage exists beyond the political baggage that exists supporting president trump who is not popular in europe, and therefore there's some political toxicity for that. emmanuel macron has gotten a bit ahead of that by inviting the
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usa president, and all of this perhaps clouds the picture that the kremlin can read all of it. >> perhaps a missed opportunity there on the part of the allies to put pressure on the regime to get them to move towards peace talks. usa president donald trump says its mission accomplished after the strikes on syria, but his own white house has a very different take. we'll have the details when we come back. ♪
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the white house says the syrian government is on notice that there could be more air strikes if more chemical weapons are used against civilians. >> that's quite different than what president donald trump tweeted, mission accomplished. gym acosta explains. >> reporter: it was a sobering message delivered to syria
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backed by usa military might. >> we are prepared to sustain this response until the syrian regime stops its use of prohibited chemical agents. >> reporter: while the pentagon insists u.s. forces along with britain and france achieved their objectives in striking syrian chemical weapons targets, it's one of president trump's tweets that may have misfired. celebrating the operation the president tweeted a perfectly executed strike last night thank you to france and the united kingdom for their wisdom the power of their fine military. could not have had a better result, mission accomplished. that phrase mission accomplished was a flashback to 2003 when then president bush landed on an aircraft carrier and declared victory in iraq, a war that continued for eight more years. over bush's shoulder was a banner reading mission accomplished. >> the patin the battle of iraq
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united states and our allies have prevailed. >> reporter: even plump's supporters are cringing. ari flasher weighed in saying i would have recommended not weighing in with those two words. the pentagon didn't disagree with the commander in chief. >> last night's operations were very successful. we met our objectives. we hit the sites, the heart of the chem weapons program, so it was mission accomplished. >> reporter: the air strikes may not have neutralized the chemical weapons threat in syria, saying if this does not succeed we may be prepared to act again. how does the u.s. define success and how long will that take? two weeks after mr. trump raised the prospect of removing u.s. troops from syria. >> i want to get out, start rebuilding our nation.
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>> reporter: democrats are raising questions. >> i cannot tell you what this administration's policy is towards syria. one week ago he was talking about entirely pulling out. that ended up giving -- appeared to give a green light to assad, and you saw how assad took that green loit and ran with it in terms of gassing innocents including women and children. >> reporter: the other question how to handle syria's two biggest backers, russia and iran. >> to iran and to russia i ask what kind of a nation wants to be associated with the mass murder of innocent men, women and children? >> reporter: vice president pence continued that tough talk at the summit of the americas in peru. >> our message to russia is you're on the wrong side of history. >> reporter: president trump will face more of these questions about syria next week when he meet with japanese prime minister shinzo abe down at mar-a-lago. the president will be splitting his time discussing the fa
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another rogue nation with weapons of mass destruction, that is north korea. jim acosta, cnn the white house. >> let's get some perspective now on mr. trump's comments and what they might be. we're joined by the professor of international politics at the university of london. thanks for being with us, sir. curious to know what you think about what the impact of this strike and the fact that the allies took part in this strike with president trump, what impact that will have on the trump administration's credibility on foreign policy issues. >> well, i think the trump administration has been under pressure from the very beginning largely as a result of violating what they kind of considered the norms surrounding it but because of a global role. and i think from that period onwards there's been a very large campaign from, you know, quite large parts of the military and intelligence and
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other parts of the establishment to try to get the trump administration back into line. and what with we can see in the last couple of weeks is that there's a kind of ambivalence on that front, so president trump as your reporting has suggested wants to pull out of syria completely and now back in and saying mission accomplished and now saying there's going to be sustained campaign. so i think the instincts of the trump administration is to basically pull out, but i think the amount of pressure in washington on the question of foreign policy but also on all the scandals and investigations going on inside, rng are pulling them back into the much more conventional level. >> after the strikes in the last 24 hours, is it fair to say that shorts of using chemical weapons the syrian president bashar al assad can continue business as usual in his country including slaughtering his own people? >> well, that is the logic of what has been done, isn't it?
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because it's saying that we draw our line here, and when we believe that line to have been crossed there will be this -- some kind of intervention or strike of a relatively limited character. the problem with it is, of course, is that this means that the united states and britain and france which have been involved in syria for several years i think they're admitting they are no longer within the process, that the future of syria -- you'll recall in cyprus just a few days ago there was a conference between turkey, syria, russia, for example, about the future of syria and that the u.s. was not involve in it. i think that the decisive term has koccurred in syria, and thee allied powers seem to be outside that diplomatic process. and what france has tried to do i think is try to bring that
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prosba process back into life. >> you mentioned just now the relatively limited character of this decision, this military decision. and indeed it was targeted, precise and largely considered to be proportionate. does that come as a surprise given the concerns about how president trump approaches foreign policy, that it was a fairly restrained decision? >> it does. and we know now -- we have enough evidence from president trump's words, tweets and so on that we actually don't know what on earth he's going to do, but it is a surprise. the rhetoric i must admit did concern me a great deal, and it seemed as if it was getting a response from russia of an equal type. and as a result of that there was a fear there was going to be an effectively military confrontation if not mill stare
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conflict between two nuclear armed powers. in the end it seems they have taken a much more realistic position, and as i said i think this suggests really i think the united states and its allies are on the back foot now. the decisive victory appears to have now shifted the balance within syria towards that regime and its allies and away from the united states. and i think this limited strike is a kind of recognition of that. it suggests a saymbolic value much more than a military value. >> it's interesting because we've that that refrain from our reporters, too. thanks very much from joining us from london. >> thank you. >> cnn is the first network to speak with survives of the suspected chemical attack in syria. >> when we come back arwau daymond reports on those who fled douma and are still traumatized.
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u.k. launched air strikes in syria. the strikes were meant to punish it syrian regime for allegedly launching a chemical attack on its own people. >> let's talk about the possible consequences of those air strikes. >> he's a professor of peace studies at the university of bradford in england. curious to know your thoughts on how effective these strikes will be in the broader context of this conflict in syria. is it going to change the momentum at all? >> no, probably not. essentially these were largely symbolic strikes. one is struck by the president's use of the phrase "mission accomplished." i think that was last used by the president george w. bush in 2003 when the regime had gone apparently in three weeks, but in fact the war lasted six or seven years and killed more than 200,000 people. i think one has to understand that this is primarily a set of
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limited attacks which had very specific functions to demonstrate that the west was prepared to do this. but in strategic terms of very little consequence. but the main weapon they've been using -- they happen looking at the much wider political context here that the actual strikes themselves. >> you say they're largely symbolic strikes. this remindso of a syrian activists who said these were media strike. he said strikes made for tv because they have no immediate effect. is that something you agree with? >> i would say yes. it's of no great consequence to them. only in fact the facilities themselves will probably be
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repaired fairly quickly. although the syrians may choose not to do that. i think one has to look at this in a slightly wider context. one obviously the personality of the president and his response to an extremely nasty attack, but the issue here is that syria developed chemical weapons originally because of its concern about israel and to a lesser extent turkey. and it sees this as a long-term deterrent, and had to get rid of most of them i think as a recent result of the action of the u.n., but this is a sense is a longer-term warning to syria. while the regime is winning control it must remember that the west and the united states is prepared to intervene. you never know when something might not escalate in an untoward way. but for the moment this may actually die down now and people
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will come to realize this is really a short-term exercise in political symbolism overriding perhaps the humanitarian dimension, although that of course is important. these things are extremely nasty. >> paul, you are a professor of peace studies, so if we could turn to that for a second and look at the main factors that are prohibiting the peace process in syria. of course it's the regime of assad and perhaps a power play and backing extremism in the region, too. what do you think are the largest obstacles stopping the international community from making progress on that front? >> it's the nature of the international community. the syrian civil war is one of these rare examples of international security studies of a double proxy war. in the region you have primarily iran backing the ajeem, and behind iran you have russia
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itself. but in terms of the rebels on the opposition to assad in the region you have a number of states. but wider you have britain, france and particularly the united states. and then you have other factors such as israel and turkey, too, and of course the kurds. it's a formidable job. the united nations has been doing its best under difficult circumstances. but unless you can get esseially ssia and the west talking, i don't see an early end to this. and what will happen i think is that assad will win, going to leave a very dirty taste in the mouth of many people. but that's just the reality. and i think we're seeing the united states and i think its allies having difficulty getting to grips with this. >> and there haven't been many instances of russia and the west really generally talking in the last few years. thank you for joining us. now let's turn to network
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exclusive. cnn is the first network to speak with survivors at that suspected chemical attack in douma. >> in a world exclusive cnn's senior international correspondent arwa damon spoke with themt at a makeshift camp near the turkish border. >> reporter: there's definitely something that stinks. these backpacks belong to 7-year-old twins from douma. they're a little shy, hesitant. their mother tells us they remember everything vivedly. they were hiding in a basement when the alleged chemical weapons attack in douma took place. they could barely breathe. she felt her body go limp, she clawed her way up dragging her daughters, but then the other strikes began. we were between two deaths she remembers, either from the
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chemical strikes or the others on the rooftop. the smell is still quite strong. these are the things they weren't able to wash yet. look, that's the toy her daughter tried to hideaway to try to keep her safe. and she would tell the toy you might suffocate but at least you'll be safe from the bombing. that's how the kids minds work. yesterday they were digging a tunnel for the ants so that the ants wouldn't suffocate just in case something happened. in another tent a boy with a jagged scar running across his abdomen from shrapnel. his uncle who doesn't want to be identified was one of the worst affected from the chemical strike. he says his blood was taken the day before. this new camp is inhabited from those who survived the siege of douma. its relentness months long bombing that drove families
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underground, so as something as simple as feeling the sun on their screen was a luxury. she and her family thought there was a lull in the bombing and went outside and she says three air strikes slams right next to them. the next thing she remembers is being in the hospital. she had just gotten out of surgery in the hospital when the wounded from the chemical strike she says began coming in. the scene was so horrific she says she forgot her own pain. what he doesn't know and no one has the heart to tell her is that her husband is dead. her son just 2 years old is too little to remember his father. for those who have endured the unimaginable it's little more than a move on a gruesome chessboard. this 68-year-old arrived here
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four days ago from douma. she's buried relatives including her son and two grandchildren. there's nothing left for them. even if they could go home there's nothing left. she says her country has caused her too much pain and remembering when they were all alive, when feeling safe wasn't a luxury. it's all just too much. arawa damon, cnn, refugee camp in syria. >> at the end of the day it's the syrians that pay the price for the political decisions that are being made. coming up is there a better way to investigate these chemical attacks in syria? france thinks so. a look at their new u.n. proposal after this break.
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condemning the allied air strikes on syria failed in the united nations security council. china and bolivia were the only council members to join russia in supporting this measure. >> the u.s., france and the u.k. said they had a responsibility to deter the use of chemical weapons. but russia insists the military
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action will only destabilize the region. >> translator: i'm sure it's done everything possible to convince the united states and its allies to refrain from their military plans which could lead to a new spiral of violence in syria and destabilize the middle east. the united states and its allies continue to demonstrate blatant disregard for international law. >> syria's ambassador to the u.n. also spoke at the security council. bashar jufarry said the us.s., france and the u.k. undermine security with an act of aggression. >> translator: these three states should realize that after seven years of a terrorist war that was imposed on my country, a war carried out by these three countries and their agents in the region, their missiles, their planes, their bombs will not weaken our determination --
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our determination to defeat and destroy your terrorists. this will not prevent the syrian people to decide on their own political future without foreign intervention. >> well, at the u.n. france is proposing a resolution, calling for an independent investigation of suspected chemical weapons attacks inside syria. this proposal is backed by the u.s. and britain. it includes a new timetable for reporting findings to the security council and a third party review of humanitarian and medical evacuations. >> israel has now responded to the strike on syria. in a statement prime minister benjamin netanyahu said a year ago i declared full support on president trump's decision to take a stand against the use and spread of chemical weapons. president trump's resolve and israel's support remain unchanged. paula, tell us just how
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important is it to the israeli government that the trump administration remains engaged in syria? >> reporter: well, and that is the key problem, bianca, the fact is they're wonder how engaged they'll remain. the comments of defense secretary mattis saying this is one-time shot will have really alarmed the israeli government. we expect them to have a cabinet meeting within the hour. perhaps we'll hear more. but they've been saying loud and clear for years but really more forcefully in the last few years, look, the status quo in syria right now with iran on its doorstep really intreentrenchin their mill stare presence in syria is like a matchbook very close to a powder keg. and what they do not need is the united states saying, look, the status quo is fine, russia is there now and we want our troops out. with this one-time limited strike israel is becoming
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increasingly alarmed in their words that iran continues to devour huge swaths of the middle east. benjamin netanyahu himself has been so forceful in saying that at a security conference he was very dramatic in terms of trying to tell the world but specifically the trump administration that mow matter what's going on in syria the key threat still remains iran in terms of it being an existential threat to itself. >> next, we'll be looking at the weapons used to strike syria. >> and what it tells us about what the u.s. wants to accomplish. i've been making blades here at gillette for 20 years. i bet i'm the first blade maker you've ever met. there's a lot of innovation that goes into making
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take a look at some of the aftermath of saturday's air strike. buildings destroyed. smoke still rising on saturday. this was part of a research center in damascus. the u.s. says those strikes launched with france and the u.k. were a success. they targeted syria's chemical weapons program after a suspected chemical attack last week. >> more than 100 missiles were reportedly launched against three targets. syria says most of the missiles were intercepted. but the u.s. says all of them hit their targets. iran and russia are critical of
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the strikes but many nato companies have been supportive. here's what nato generals said on saturday. >> nato strongly condemns the repeated use of chemical weapons by the syrian regime. chemical weapons cannot be used with impunity. they cannot become normalized. they are an immediate danger to the syrian people and to our collective security. and those responsible must be held to account. >> we know warships, aircraft and missiles were used in the strikes against syria. >> here's cnn's military and diplomat diplomat diplomatic analyst, john kirby. >> reporter: president trump aided with britain and france,
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launched missiles at syria for bashar al assad's attack on his own people. we'll start with the targets. three targets were hit. storage facilities, one in da mo damascus, a research and development center. this comes to degrade assad program against the use of chemical weapons and the syrian people and done in a way that it can be done as precise as possible. we can show you how precise the targets were hit. let's look at the research facility. you look at this area right up here. this was taken a couple of weeks ago. you see three buildings there. this is before the strikes. this is after the strikes. all three of the buildings are completely obliterated. but all of the surrounding buildings, the sidewalks and roads, untouched.
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that's what precision-guided munitions can do for a mission. how do you get them on target? lots of ships at sea were in use. 70% of the precision-guided munitions were used were tomahawks. the workhorse of the navy. they've been updated since. very capable cruise missile. it flies at sub sonic speeds but very low and close to the ground. it's hard for air defense systems to detect. that makes it a challenging platform to try to shoot down. it doesn't appear like any of the tomahawks were hit by any air defense systems, despite what the syrians are saying. the pentagon is sure that all of them found their targets. it wasn't just sea-launched missiled involved. there were air missiles from the british and the french and the
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americans. notably, this b-1 bomber was launching the jassms. it's a tomahawk for the air. it has roughly the same range, 650 miles. but it's a more advanced missile, more capable. it has infrared homing and something called automatic target recognition. at the end game of the flight, the terminal phases can choose its targets. the president talked about new and smart missiles, he was talking about these. the british and the french have air launch cruise missiles. it's the same missile, but they call it by a different name. a complex mission precisely executed. the question now, is it enough to deter assad from using chemical weapons again? and will the united states embark on a more robust
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diplomatic strategy to end the civil war in syria? >> wool hae'll have more of our coverage on the strike on syria. >> the consequences in the region and the targets that were struck. the news continues. our reporters will be covering this from across the world. don't miss it. stay with cnn. when i received the diagnoses, i knew at that exact moment ... i'm beating this.
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hey rick, all good? oh yeah, we're good. we're good. terminix. defenders of home. what comes next after the u.s., france and the u.k. struck syria's chemical weapons? thanks for joining us this hour. i'm natalie allen. >> i'm george howell. welcome back, viewers in the united states and around the world. we start with the united states claiming success after missile strikes and air strikes in syria. the u.s., u.k. and france launched the missiles after an attack in duma last week. this from donald trump. thank you to the


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