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and that client is sean hannity. they also shared an attorney. this did not come out willingly in court. coh cohen's attorney says the client asked not to have his name reve revealed. the name was sean hannity. michael cohen's client that we know of is broidy and the president and sean hannity. here is the way he explain it on his radio show after the news broke that sean hannity is michael cohen's client. >> i have known michael a long, long time and let me be very clear to the media, michael never represented me in any matter. i never retained him in the traditional sense as retaining a lawyer. i never received an invoice from
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michael. i never paid legal fees to michael but i have occasionally had brief discussions with him about legal questions about which i wanted his input and perspective. i assumed that those conversations were attorney/client confidential. >> he seems to be saying i am not really a client of cohen. now regardless of the exact nature of their attorney/client relationship even if it is as hannity says on twitter exclusively about real estate. >> hannity reported as if he had no connection to the story on fox news. >> this is a fox news alert, michael cohen just had his office and home and hotel that he was staying in raided by the fbi early morning. what it means that mueller's witch huaunt investigation is a
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run away train without clear tracks. >> oh yeah this guy also represented me, no mention of that and he passes along legal advices. sean hannity also talks about it on his radio show. >> this opens up an era where it seems that there is no limit at all in to the fishing expedition that mueller has now engaged in and access to everything that his personal attorney has. i can only imagine where it could lead. >> one place it may lead is his own name. >> sean hannity, the media is go crazy about this. not disclosing a business or legal relationship with someone that you report on and had him on your guest at least 16 times since donald trump declared his kidnapp candidacy. that does not sound fair.
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>> shimon prokupecz is joining us. >> the fbi wanted to review it and have an opportunity to discuss about what is privilege and what the government should not have access to. today the judge ordered prosecutors, the government here to turn over and make copies of various documents and some ten boxes. it was revealed today in court, the fbi now has with materials that they seized from michael cohen and electronic devices and hard drives. all of that has to be copied and handed over to michael cohen's attorney. >> well, much like everything else since friday with this
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hearing. it has been a little confusing. since friday, the judge has been saying to michael cohen and his attorneys, tell us who cohen represents. there is always been this blurred line. i think this goes to the argument that prosecutor haves be haves -- they are not people that he represented. sort of a vague and sort of line here that prosecutors say it does not mean that these people are his clients. hannity denied that cohen represented him. should not release who their client was and wound up to be sean hannity and certainly and anderson, i can tell you having being in this courtroom when that happened, it was a stunning moment and i mean the audience and people sitting around the courtroom and the reaction was quite audible and many folks
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were certainly shocked after the judge ordered him to release the name of this client, anderson. >> what's the ruling mean in terms of the investigation moving forward, it seems to be a delay. >> yeah, absolutely. this is a delay and the prosecutors did not want this and they have been arguing since friday that this is a stalled tactic by michael cohen and his attorney and the president's attorneys who have now interv e intervened and also want this materials. this prevents investigators from looking any information or documents that were seized in the raid. the t it is now up to the team that's run by the government that has no access of the information to go over materials that's provided to michael cohen's attorney. in terms of this material that were seized, the investigators would not have access until the judge decides on what they'll look at.
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>> shimon, thank you. we'll get to sean hannity thing in a moment. just of the substance of the hearing. who's happier tonight of michael cohen or donald trump's team or stormy daniels. >> i think it is a miss. their first was let us dsecide what's privilege and what is not. we'll give to the government what we don't think is privilege. the government, what the government wants is the ability for their team to review all the materials and push out anything that is questionable to debate with the lawyers for michael cohen and the president. what michael cohen is saying okay, if you don't give it all to us, appoint a special mass or an independent party. >> instead of the team.
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>> the challenge is, it is clear in a case like this that nothing is attorney/client privile privilege --ps the question is will the judge defer to the government would normally be the case. the issue of the special master becomes with timing and it tends to take longer and puts a little delay. she has not decided yet. >> she has not decide who the special master is. >> she asked to have four names given from each side. that's an indication that she's considering. t the lawyer will present those names. >> a former judge or someone that's a u.s. attorney but someone that's very respective. >> does it take some of the pressure off him to cooperate with the government or special counsel? >> well, you know it may because
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it is significant for them to get judicial review and as you have been talking about take longer. i was speaking with the source today, a legal source who's close to this case, look, the reason they got the search warrant in the first place leads you to believe that they are close to something. and, so we don't know what they are looking for was key evidence that they need in order to complete their case against michael cohen or whether it is confirming evidence that they would just have liked. if they were close and they want to secure this evidence as additional evidence then maybe they can go, you know, they can do whatever they wanted to do with michael cohen in the first place without waiting for all of this that they could continue to move. on the other hand, if they felt they needed this evidence to indict, then it will take longer and help michael cohen because
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this is a process and of course, they have the opportunity during this process to appeal. >> david, as for the sean hannity revelation, he says he was not michael cohen's client and did you have any idea what it means on the traditional sense? >> no, first of all, my i thinst when i heard this that there is some where there is a scandal tv writer or "house of cards" writer, why diplomdn't i think this? th and the fact that they said he was a client and he was embarrassed to have his name released was telling if i were hannity, i would be embarrassed as well having gone off the rampage he did of the cohen business without revealing he was involved. sean hannity is not at the end o f the day a journalist, he's not a reporter, he's an infotainer,
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can you imagine the folks on fox would held anderson shown up as a client in a situation like this? so, you know, i think it is a sticky, if he's not a client why did he lawyer say he was. it raises all kinds of questions. >> if you are paying somebody and uconn suyou consulted them advise. i don't know what the other stuff would have been. can you automatically say it is privileged? >> well, you can still be a client even if you have not paid the lawyer yet. sometimes you will get advise and you will pay later or sometimes you don't pay. the real question is were you asking for legal advise or guidance. the second piece is sean hannity had this conversation with cohen and somebody else in the room then it is not privilege. if they were talking about committing a crime or engaging
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criminal fraud, it is not privilege. it comes down to that. >> he's asking for real is sest deal. >> you can be on either side of that. so i think if it is for legal advice, how should i structure or how would you think of this legal arrangement than this could be attorney/client related. >> he's essentially a spokesperson for the president. i guess though i will say and i am even surprised that he would not just to inform his viewers in the some 16 times that michael cohen have been on that we counted since donald trump announced a candidacy that he would not at least say i have consulted my consultants on advices over the year. >> yeah, sure you would expect someone to do that. i have gone to michael cohen for advice informally over the years
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about real estate. that did not happen. he pointed out he's not a journalist, look, he did not specifically when he was having these conversations with michael cohen, he did not specifically say oh, this is covered you should attorney/client because it was so informal that it did not need to be said. at this point it is very clear when you look at the court proceedings that hannity expects it and did not want his name mentioned, you know, even mentioned today. i think there is a sense that michael cohen kind of threw sean hannity under the bus here. >> well, also, david, it is interesting to me, if sean hannity is one of his three clients in the last ten years, that says a lot about what he's doing for president trump. the second client was this rnc
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guy, you know, the republican donor, eliot broidy and with the hush payment to the playboy model, playmate, i am told, it seems to them that really his client is donald trump. >> right. i don't think michael cohen has been spending late night rifling through legal documents and journals. he is what he's advertised to be, he's a fixer and he's been donald trump's fixer for the last so many years. what the government is arguing is that he really hardly is a lawyer at all. that much of what he does has nothing to do with the law and traditional sense, he's out there and he's fixing stuff. >> yeah. >> and so, i think that's why they feel like the privilege does not apply to much of the
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materials they have gathered up. >> yeah, it is a fascinating day. >> thanks, up next. up next, the president pushes his tv program and the tv host pushes the president and michael cohen seems to whispered in both sides. stormy daniels is in court today and we'll hear what she had to say and i will speak to her lawye lawyer. stick around. ♪ applebee's new bigger bolder grill combos. now that's eatin' good in the neighborhood. you won't find relief here. congestion and pressure? go to the pharmacy counter for powerful claritin-d. while the leading allergy spray relieves 6 symptoms... claritin-d relieves 8, including sinus congestion and pressure. claritin-d relieves more.
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now that michael cohen's third client has been revealed. this is the one that we have known for a while, he and hannity are in frequent contact. >> how good is hannity he say? >> how good is hannity? >> president donald trump in phoenix last year slamming the media as decisive and complim t complimenting his pal, sean hannity. they have a long and cozy history. the two men discussed immigration with hannity pushing trump on the border wall for the sake of the upcoming midterm electio elections. hannity acted as an adviser during the campaign. back in 2009, trump was a regular guest on hannity's show.
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>> trump's false notion that barack obama was not born in the united states. >> he's got a grandmother in kenya who said he was born in kenya at the hospital. >> i don't understand. >> the trump/hannity connection is unique. the two reportedly still talk regular regularly. as newt gingrich put it, it is a new york thing, they talk the same language. >> hannity is one of the most pro-trump voices on tv opening advises on russia. >> let this investigation go forward. >> hannity hitched himself to the future president early on. at the c-pack gathering hannity wore a trump brand necktie and interviewed trump. that has not stopped hannity from defending the president.
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>> they don't seem to understand that by blocking the president's agenda and you see the reaction that gets around the country, they're only harming you, the american people. >> listen to hannity in the hours after the former campaign middle was indicted. >> this indictment had nothing to do with trump russia collusion. zip, zero. >> like the president, hannity dismisses the russia investigation like the witch haunt. to two men are so close that even after trump bragged about grabbing women's genitals, hannity to do by him. hannity backed the president on his false claim of his inaugural crowd was the largest ever. >> big show tonight on sean hannity. it is a bro-mance that both men
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benefit. >> what you are doing is incredible and it is an honor to be on your show. randy kay, cnn palm beach, florida. >> joining me now, the author of the book, "trumped up." welcome back professor, you were on sean hannity's program. you said it is a dangerous day for lawyer relations. what dow make of the fact of somebody saying that and according to sean hannity is not a client. >> he was in a difficult situation. he's not going to not talk about the cohen's raid and he did not want to be known that he was a client. yes, i think he had to make a choice. the choice should have been to disclose to the viewers that he has a relationship. he could have described the relationship in any way as he wanted but the viewers have the right to know. >> do you believe he's a client?
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if somebody just getting free legal advise from somebody who he has on the show a lot. what is that? >> well, every week somebody comes over to me when i am leaving here or some where else and says i just want to ask you one quick legal question and i am tough. >> no. you have to establish a lawyer/client relationship or otherwise whatever you tell me is public knowledge so -- i taught legal public for 40 years. we understand that, somebody like sean hannity would not understand that. no, i get the dollar back. >> you get accepted for a dollar retainer. >> ambassador, cohen says he never did any third party work or never obtained him on an invoice, this is mostly about real estate, how does it smell
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to you? >> it smells a little off, anderson. i have to agree with allan. there are ethics rules just as we as lawyers have ethic rules and it is universal among journalists. the radio and television and digital journalists news organization -- the international federation of journalists and all of them have a code you have to -- if you cannot have conflicts, if you do, you have to disclose. >> i don't think it is right and there are other strange things anderson. because hannity threw cohen tur under the bus when he said "i never retained him a" and cohen did not represent him then hannity switched and he did just what allan talked about. it sounded a little too school.
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well, maybe i give him $10 and said i want to be protected by the attorney/client privilege. come on, clients don't talk like that. the whole thing raeeks. >> it does not work that way. can a person believer if they are talking to a friend who's an attorney and getting just some advise and we don't know if it is a legal deal or a real estate deal that's -- can they expect there to be an attorney client. >> people do think if they talk to me at a cocktail party and asking me for legal advice, they believe that somehow they establish the lawyer/client relationship with me but they have not. >> you have to asked somebody if that is privilege >> the lawyer should take the initiative and say this is not a lawyer/client conversation. do not count on me protecting you if i am subpoenaed or even
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asked by the press whether we had a conversation. it is very important tchlt o, t area where i think the judge may have created a problem is when she categorically ruled today that the name of the client is never covered by lawyer/client. i have not read her opinion. there are exceptions. there are some cases where the name is regarder as lawyer/classified. if going to the lawyer itself requires confidentiality. this is a good example, fs there example, if there is a lawyer that only fixes for affairs, you don't want to be known to be associated with him. >> professor, thank you very much and thanks as well. stormy daniels has strong words for cohen.
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and stormy daniels was also in the courtroom today, some of the documents seized from cohen's last week were related to the $130,000 he made to daniels right before the election. stormy daniels spoke to reporters as she left the courthouse. >> for years, michael cohen referred to himself as mr. trump's fixer. he played by a different set of rules or no rules at all. he never thought women like me mattered. that ends now. my attorney and i are committed to making sure that everyone finds out the truth and the facts of what happened and i give my words that we'll not rest until that happens. >> also in the courtroom today was michael avenatti who's joining us now.
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i will get to the sean hannity thing in a moment. do you see it is a partial win for michael cohen since they at least get to name a potential master to look over the documents that's been taken. >> well, i will call it kissing your sister, i don't know it is a win. it is not a loss but what they really wanted to do anderson was they wanted to get control of the documents back and get them back from the government so they can make the determinations relating to privilege with the president and the trump organization. >> that would have been a big win if they were the ones determining what was privilege or what w ed or what was not. >> correct. we believe the integrity of the documents and making sure it does not disappear is the most upmost important of our case. we want to e--
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>> i think you said yesterday within the next 90 days there is an unsealing of an indictment of cohen for a host of series offenses. we don't know if it is true and i am not sure what you are basing on. of what happened today, did that slow down your belief timetable? >> no, not at all. it is my believes and i think my track record have been good for the last six weeks. it is going to happen the next 90 days and it is going to be a significant domino to fall and there will be serious consequences from there on out. >> what was it like in the courtroom? >> you need to understand there was a huge build up to that moment. >> were the cohen's attorney resisting this? >> correct. >> they were resisting to disclose who the third client were and it was debated back and forth with the judge and others in the courtroom back and forth
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whether it was going to be disclosed. at one point, michael cohen's attorney told the judge they have been instructed that if she ordered the name disclose, they would taken an immediate i peap. >> it was a warning shot by judge wood. she's been a judge for a long time and so she's not intimidated by that. the judge says i want you to publicly disclose it. the attorney from michael cohen says do you want to state it or rally or put it on a piece of paper. i thought he's going to put it on a piece of paper and it is kind of a hail mary. bullough a but low and be hold, he says the client's name is sean hannity. it was eight or ten journalists abruptly stood up.
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there was a gasp and i was surprised. and at least we know why fox news have not been covering our case for six weeks. >> it is surprising and all the time he interviewed michael cohen ever said oh full disclosure, we have a long relationship with i ask him for advice sometimes. >> i am not a journalist and i don't know the standards by which you and other journalists live by. you guys are going to analyze this and what needed to be disclosed or not. i think michael cohen and sean hannity should have his own counsel in the courtroom. i think michael cohen's council some what threw him under the bus in the hearing. i mean that's my take away from it. i think it should have been handled differently. >> you filed an objection of michael cohen's request to stay in the daniels' lawsuit. do you have a sense on when that
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is ruled on? >> their reply is due on tuesday evening. the judge is thorough and he's on top of things like i could not believe. i would imagine that he's issuing a ruling on wednesday or thursday or friday. >> your case moves regardless of whap what happens in new york. >> correct. if we are successful and defeating the motion to stay then next up is our motion relating to the deposition of michael cohen and the president. >> wow, michael avenatti, thanks very much. appreciate it. >> nikki haley says new sanctions against russia was coming. the president says not so fast. the war of words between james comey and the president, that's next. ♪
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they listen to us. >> when nikkei haley said that yesterday, sanctions were going to be announced, did she misspeak or misinformed. are things chaotic? >> ambassador haley has done an incredible job for this administration and one of the strongest voices for the american ideals across the globe. >> so what happens? >> the administration is looking at sanctions but we don't have any announcements to make at this time >> because as you said she's very practiced and careful of what she says and often had private conversations with the president before she appears on television from all the reporting i read. did she misspeak or was she misinformed or did the president change his mind? >> i cannot speak for nikki
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haley, she was my governor and i have known her for a long time. what i can tell you is there is a chance and we issue more sanctions but we don't have a decision yet. >> the washington post is reporting the president himself halted them because he was not comfortable executing them at this point. if that's true, do you know why the president is not comfortable execu executing sanctions against russia right now. >> what i can tell you though that no one have been tougher on russia than this president. >> it sounds like nikki haley is tougher than the president. >> that's not true. the president is the only one that can make decisions and he's the one that can put sanctions and barack obama would not give aid to ukraine and president trump did both of these things. we closed out three diplomatic facilities and we expelled hundreds of russians back to their country. this president has taken a tough stand on vladimir putin and it
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continues to this day including the fact that we just stroke syria. russia's allies and we are considering more. we don't have the announcement to make on this potential sanction today. >> the president did address the nation on friday promised to respond to syrian use of chemical weapons. how is he responding economically in with no new sanctions. >> what the president did is come up with leadership plan, he put together a surgical and strategic strike to try to stop syria and their use of chemical weapons on its own people. we all saw the video and pictures. it was gruesome and horrific. russia is complicit in that. this president stood up and said we are not going to let it
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happen anymore. infrastructure was shut down. >> that was military and i get diplomatic because he did it in conjunction with the u.k. and france. but economically, we have not seen anything >> syria cannot rebuild and they don't have the money to do anything. >> when you do systematic infrastructure -- >> there are new potential sanctions out there, anderson. i am not going to get ahead or hypotheticals into what the president may or may not do. we don't telegraph what we do in this white house -- >> well, the president did telegraph. i want to ask you about james comey. when he cleared hillary clinton the e-mail investigation, president trump criticized it was a rigged system. and in october, comey says it took guts for him to do that and now the president mattis cais cm
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a "slimeball." >> james comey is disgruntle and disgraced individual who was fired by the fbi by president trump. he was fired because he leaked information that may or may not be classified according to senator chuck glarassley and he lied about it. the highest law of division and all the land, you cannot use politics or personal bias to make decisions and that's what james comey did. every time he opens his mouth and you know this, he was the most hated person in this town until president trump fired him. now he's the toast of the town in every newscast and podcast and every broadcast. > i am confused because when he was fired, i interviewed kellyanne conway that night y'all sent out a lot of people on television, y'all said the reason when he was fired was because o f the way he treated hillary clinton and next day wfs
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russia and now you are saying he was fired for leaking information? >> i am saying it is all of those information. >> that's the first time i heard it. >> you see the book and all the things that's admitted to coming out and james comey himself admitted to doing. this is what the problem was. >> it was first -- it was being mean to clinton which always seem unusual. >> it was not unyou shashunusua. all those things work together. it takes a lot to unite republicans and democrats in this town. the polarization is incredible and like of what i have never seen before, congratulations to james comey, you united everybody around his ridiculous book tour. >> the president's advisers are more concerned of the investigation of michael cohen
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than the special counsel investigation. is the president concerned of the mueller investigation? >> i can telling you the president is frustrated and concerned of the directions that the mueller investigation have been taken. we have been fully cooperative with counsel mueller and we turned over thousands of pages of documents and we cooperated. >> to the question though, did seem like the president when he was meeting with his military team, talking prior to the strike on syria, he clearly was very upset about the cohen raid, is that because he views it as a threat than the mueller investigation or is it more of a concern for him? >> i have not spoke to him directly. i can tell you the president is concerned of the direction of the mueller investigation has turned. with michael cohen, i have to refer you to him or his personal attorney for any comments there.
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>> the other day, sarah sanders asked is michael cohen, is he still an employee or personal attorney of the president, did you know the answer to that? >> she answered it today on air force one, we all know and absolutely the president has a relationship with him and i don't know the exact relationship relating to a professional agreement he may or may not have. the president has many attorneys. this is not his only one. they still have a relationship. >> to how extensive it is, i am not sure. >> thank you for your time >> up next, a group of republicans in south carolina and we'll get their reactions when we continue. >> tech: ...every minute counts. and you don't have time for a cracked windshield. that's why at safelite, we'll show you exactly when we'll be there. with a replacement you can trust.
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more now on james comey and his book.
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the white house says president trump watched bits and pieces of it and not the entire thing. >> 23 active members of the charleston county, south carolina republican party scrutinizing the james comey's interview. >> would you feel to be james comey in the last ten days after you sent the letter? >> it sucked. i walked around vaguely sick to my stomach and felt like i was totally alone and everybody hated me and the most reality -- >> in this living room, more pity for james comey. >> what did you think of comey? >> weak. >> he's 6'8" tall but he's a little man. >> ahead of the fbi does not feel comfortable. it is not what i would expect
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from a man. >> what's little liver mean weak. >> reporter: key moment of the interview. >> i don't think he's fit to be president. >> he's morally unfit to be president >> who is he to pass judgment? >> why is he not allowed to pass judgment? >> he's a former fbi director. >> he was the top cop and he had the opportunity to call trump out and he did not. he really felt that trump was unfit morally unfit, he had the opportunity. >> would you have believed him if he said it at the time? >> why would we? >> what about comey says the president asked for his loyalty. >> how did we know he was not asking for him to protect our country. >> trump asked a lot of people for their loyalty and it is not against the country. it is not against the personality that we know of mr. trump. >> if you are my party and
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working for me, we need to be cohesive. loyalty is important. >> that's notes the fbi's job to be loyalty to the president. that's the problem. >> that sentence staged very poorly. >> you blame comey for making trump paranoid. >> what's that he intended to do. >> that was his intention. >> you know comey is a republican and mueller is a republican and rosenstein is a republican. >> why would comey want to make trump uncomfortable from the beginning. >> that was hoover a long time ago. >> why did you think comey would want to make trump uncomfortable? >> he's trying to drain the swamp. >> the consensus is comey is dishonest.
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>> i don't believe anybody is 100% and in big powerful situation like he's in >> why do you think jim comey would say all these lies of the president of the united states after this career? >> because his childhood dream, he became the director of the fbi and that was spoiled by donald trump. >> does that not trouble anybody? >> no. >> how come? >> we are way better off than james comey. >> gary joins us now. >> do any of them acknowledge -- of the e-mail that swayed the election? >> we asked the group if anyone thought that comey could sway the election towards donald trump and nobody raised their hands. one man raised his hand and says yes, it is a possibility.
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this group was not 100% unanimous. the nickname that donald trump has given james comey, the nickname quote, "slime ball." many members say it's okay to say slime ball. >> others say it was not good for the president so say and others said it was fine. >> up next, the president's attorney, michael cohen, revealing mystery client and mr. hannity is taking some issues with that when we continue. ♪ join t-mobile and the whole family can stay connected with new iphones. which is great... ...unless your parents thought you were studying. aren't exams this week? somebody's busted. so join t-mobile, buy an iphone 8, get an iphone 8 on us. all on america's best unlimited network. only at t-mobile.
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