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did mr. trump know? pardoning ways, cnn has learned that the president is considering dozens of new pardons as he commutes the sentence of a great grandmother, giving kim kardashian what she asked for. who might get a reprieve next? framing the president? another outrageous claim by rudy giuliani. he's now accusing robert mueller's team of trying to invent an obstruction case against mr. trump. is there any line the president's lawyer won't cross? and doubting trump. the house speaker and senate intelligence committee chairman both side with a fellow republican against the president. they're refusing to buy into his claim about an fbi spy during his campaign. we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer.
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you're "the situation room." ♪ >> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. we're following breaking news on a new allegation of collusion. the porn star stormy daniels alleging in a new lawsuit that her former lawyer was secretly in cahoots with the president's attorney michael cohen. she claims mr. trump knew the two men were working together to help him. tonight daniels' current lawyer michael avenatti says there are text messages that prove there was a coverup and that the president has been lying. i'll get reaction from senate judiciary committee member sheldon whitehouse. our correspondents and analysts are also standing by. let's go to joe johns. what more are we learning about this lawsuit? >> the new lawsuit accuses the former lawyer for porn star stormy daniels of violating professional obligations he owed to her as a client, including the duties of loyalty and confidentiali confidentiality. it even accuses attorney keith davidson along with the president's old lawyer michael
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cohen of acting in concert against her. the lawsuit describes a codzy relationship between stormy daniels's former attorney keith david son and michael cohen, saying cohen colluded with mr. davidson in davidson. it includes text messages. cohen reaches out to davidson in an attempt to get daniels to appear on fox news to deny the affair. the texts start january 17th. the same day in touch magazine published excerpts of an interview in which stormy daniels described a sexual encounter with trump. cohen says, i have her tentatively scheduled for hannity tonight, so which davidson replies she cannot do it, she's flying to l.a. tomorrow. cohen says, this is no good. we need her. by doing tomorrow, you create another news cycle instead of putting an end to this one. the lawsuit calls those messages a desperate attempt to convince
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ms. clifford to lie tohe american public about her relationship with mr. trump. >> did you know about the $130,000 payment to stormy daniels? why did michael cohen make that if there was no -- >> you'll have to ask michael cohen. >> do you know where he got the money to make that payment? >> i don't know. >> and it claims president trump knew about the conversation between davidson and cohen because of this text. cohen wrote, the wise men all believe the story is dying and don't think it's smart for her to do any interviews. davidson writes, 100%. so which cohen replies, thanks, pal. cohen and davidson kept in communication according to the lawsuit, with cohen getting a heads-up that daniels was going to get a new attorney, michael avenatti and they were going public with a lawsuit. cohen went to mar-a-lago to meet with melania trump in order to get out in front of the
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approaching lawsuit and publicity. days before that first lawsuit was filed, michael cohen was at mar-a-lago when he texted davidson, we should speak. when davidson asked, you calling? he said with flotus, give me a minute. keith davidson's spokesman issued a statement tonight saying this outrageous lly frivolous lout is another desperate attempt by michael avenatti to continue his misty tour. the truth can now finally come out about the false narrative about attorney davidson that mr. avenatti is pushing in his more than 175 television appearances and countless over media interviews. >> let's bring in joey jackson right now. you saw those text messages between michael cohen and keith davidson. how strong is this case? >> it's predicated upon more than text messages.
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let me address the texts first. in the texts you have michael cohen, who's advocating for his client. he wants for sure her to do this interview with sean hannity to disprove this in touch story coming out as to the affair. michael cohen is texting what's going on, we need to get the interview done. quite frankly, keith davidson's responses back, he's responding but there's no smoking gun in terms of i'm assisting, don't worry, i'll get it done for you. it's not uncommon for attorneys to correspond both on the phone and by text. i don't see any smoking gun in the text messages with respect to colluding itself. the other issues of the complaint concerning whether or not he's handle over the file, that is keith davidson, whether there's some basis for him to maintain the file because the file, that is her file, not his, it's the client's file. why wasn't it turned over? what else was he doing with
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michael cohen? was the relationship too cozy. as a result of having the relationship with michael cohen, was he tipping off information about what was going on and what was up next and what you need to watch out for? that would be more troubling to me. because at the end of the day, you have an absolute responsibility, a duty of loyalty to your client, your client comes first, you come second. if you violate that, you're in trouble. i don't see a smoking gun in these text messages. in terms of the other allegations, they have to be proven. >> what does this mean for president trump? >> it means that it becomes less likely that he had no idea what was occurring. in addition to that, it means he cannot sit down for a deposition as it relates the stormy daniels case. why? because it would make it more likely that he would say things that are not true. and to the extent that you say things that are not true shs , becomes problematic because it becomes perjury which could lead to impeachment. he needs to avoid that.
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but it makes it certainly far less likely that he had no idea what's happening here and michael cohen was acting you know l-- unilaterally. >> president trump just commuted the sentence of a whom whose case was argued in the oval office by kim kardashian. now we're told he's considering dozens of new pardons. we're joined by senior white house correspondent pamela brown. the president is on a clemency spree. >> reporter: that's right. typically presidents wait until the end of their term to grant pardons, but not president trump. he has already reached out to white house officials asking them to come up with a list of other people he could potentially pardon on top of the fie pardons and one communation he's also granted including the one today of al hice johnson, a
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first time drug offender who served 21 years of a life sentence on charges of cocaine possession. that decision following a personal oval office request from reality tv star kim kardashian west. sources say chief of staff john kelly and don mcgahn advocated against it. also on the list, martha stewart. though a source familiar says the president has cooled on that idea. >> we're going to make donald's favorite sandwich. >> reporter: stuaewart was foun guilty of lying to investigators about suspicious stock trades. >> governor, i have great respect for you. >> reporter: he was convicted on 17 corruption charges impeached for trying to sole a u.s. senate seat.
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the president tweeted saying he has the absolute right to pardon himself. his willingness to ignore justice department guidelines on issuing pardons has democrats worried he'll use it to help allies caught up in the investigation into russian meddling in the election in 2017. >> unfortunately the president has perverted the pardon process. now it seems like he's pardoning people based on their celebrity status or because a celebrity talked to him. >> reporter: as he did when he pardoned joe arpiao last year. the white house is playing down reports that relations are souring over new u.s.adian stea impor
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impor imports. >> seriously? to y do you really believe that canada, that your nato allies represent a national security threat to you? >> reporter: trudeau called out the president for using national security to justify the tariffs. mr. trump replied, didn't you guys burn down the white house? a reference to the war of 1812. trudeau did not find the comment funny. worth noting, it was the british who burned down the white house, not canada. trump today visiting fema headquarters, first giving an update on first lady melania trump's health. >> she went through a little rough patch, but she's doing great. we're very proud of her. she's done a fantastic job as first lady. the people of our country love you. >> reporter: trump heaped praise
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on several cabinet members for their performance in last year's hurricane season including epa administrator scott pruitt, who's under investigation for ethics violations. >> administrator scott pruitt, thank you scott very much. epa is doing really, really well. somebody has to say that about you a little bit, you know that, scott. >> reporter: one person not getting praised tonight? attorney general jeff sessions, who trump all but ignored. >> attorney general jeff sessions, thank you, jeff. >> reporter: as you know, wolf, president trump as recently as yesterday continues to badger the attorney general for recusing himself in the russia probe. no surprise in a sense that he didn't pay him as much attention today. as for the pardons, two sources familiar with the matter say the white house counsel's office is considering a handful of clemency positions for people like alice johnson, people who aren't celebrities and are not
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political allies of this white house. >> joining us now senator sheldon whitehouse. he's a democrat who serves on the judiciary committee. let me quickly get your reaction to these allegations that the president's long time personal lawyer michael cohen colluded with stormy daniels' lawyer to help president trump. does congress have a role to play here at all in trying to figure out whether any laws were actually broken? >> off the top of my head, i don't see that. i think that there's at least a veneer of credibility to the charges because these two lawyers were engaged on multiple similar cases and so the idea that they have set up a little system is, i think, at least on its surface credible. what that means relative to us is that it puts considerable more pressure on michael cohen. if he uses the added pressure
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here as a reason to the cooperate and the southern district of new york investigation accelerates for that reason, that will have some significant impact on the matters that are of interest to us in the senate, which are the collusion, the obstruction of justice and potential tampering of witnesses. >> let's get to that, because rudy giuliani, the president's new personal attorney, now says that the mueller team -- and he blames what he called 13 highly partisan democrats who make up the mueller team. he says they are trying very, very hard to frame the president to get him into trouble when he hasn't done anything wrong. what do you make of that allegation that these individuals working for mueller are trying to frame the president? >> i would say two things. first, with respect to a public audience, this is kind of a gaslight job in which you just continue to say things that are
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demonstrably false and test everybody's ability to stand by the reality of the situation. it's become a recurring trump administration public relations strategy. and i think we need to be attentive to it when it comes up. it's a particular strategy. just gaslighting the public by saying things that are false and persisting in saying them. the other element of this is that if you deal with defense lawyers in criminal matters and they've got not much left, very often what they will do is to start saying outrageous things about the prosecution in the hopes that the prosecution will be baited into responding. the zone of misbehavior that a defense counsel can do in defense of their client is far broader than what a prosecutor is allowed to do. so the baiting a prosecutor into responding strategy is not new. i do think that mueller and his team are so professional and so
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experienced, that the likelihood of their being taken in by this and seizing the bait is very, very unlikely. but i do think that there's a when i ha whiff of desperation coming out of the white house right now and the gaslight job and the attempt to provoke mueller is behind this latest series of flat falsehoods. >> andrew mccabe was fired only a few days before he was scheduled to start receiving his federal pension. he's scheduled to testify before your committee, the senate judiciary committee next week and he's asking for immunity in exchange for his testimony. what do you think of that? >> i believe there is a matter pending over at the department of justice with respect to him. that's, i think, fairly standard operating procedure for somebody who has an investigation pending until that is brought to its conclusion. obviously i think it's an opportunity for the president to
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make hay about mccabe and about the fbi and i wouldn't be surprised if there was -- if that weren't the rationale for bringing him in. what people would foresee that he would ask for immunity and if he did, that would kick off this latest round of presidential gas righting. >> after the president accused the fbi of spying on his campaign, paul ryan and richard burr are both now rejecting that accusation by the president. they're insisting that the fbi acted appropriately. how much influence do you believe those comments from these republican leaders have on the president and how much influence do they have on your republican colleagues in congress? >> i don't think they have much effect on the president. i think they're into desperate times require desperate measures
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mode. and having some republicans agree that these claims that they've made are ridiculous doesn't really change their desperate measures. i do think, though, that when representative gowdy and senator b burr and speaker ryan all line up and say that is a ridiculous assertion, we expect the fbi to come in on a counter intelligence matter and find out if the russians are infiltrating a political campaign, that is not spying. that is traditional counter intelligence designed to protect our country. if they didn't do that, it would be a scandal. that to me makes a lot of sense. but you've got to separate the strategy of the trump white house from what makes sense and what's truthful. i do think this creates a bit of a buttress for the president trying to push too far with all of this. desperate people do nevertheless have boundaries. i think as he pushes these desperate boundaries, when he gets pushback from the
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republicans, it makes something of a difference in the circles around him. don mcgahn, for instance. >> thanks so much for joining us. >> thank you. just ahead, we'll have more on the new stormy daniels lawsuit. do text messages between her former lawyer and michael cohen prove the president has been lying? and is rudy giuliani doing more harm than good for the president? we'll digging deeper on his new attack on the special counsel. >> they are a group of 13 highly partisan democrats that make up the mueller team, excluding him, are trying very very hard to frame him, to get him in trouble when he hasn't done anything wrong.
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this is cnn breaking news. >> we've got some breaking news. just a few moments ago, alice johnson was freed. we've got the video. she was met by members of her own family in alabama. she was released from a federal prison in aliceville, alabama, a federal correctional institution, aliceville as it's called. she was greeted by family and friends, a very dramatic moment indeed. we've got the video. i want to show it to our viewers. she had been serving more than 20 -- she's in the white. she was -- already served 21 years of a life sentence after
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she was convicted on conspiracy to possess cocaine. let's listen for a moment to this very emotional moment. >> i have to many people to think. i'm just so thankful. i feel hilike my life is starti over again. >> there you see it. the president commutes the sentence of alice marie johnson. she's a free woman right now after 21 years. we're going to have much more on this story coming up and a very dramatic moment indeed. she's out of jail. stormy daniels is accusing her former lawyer of colluding with president trump and his attorney michael cohen. we're going to have more on that lawsuit coming up. right now the trump team is also going to a new extreme in its campaign to try to discredit robert mueller's investigation. let's bring in our justin correspondent evan perez. rudy giuliani is accusing the special counsel's office of trying to frame the president of
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the united states. >> this is part of the campaign by rudy giuliani to portray the mueller investigation as one that's tainted by politics, by the fact that there are people who they say are democrats on the mueller team who are investigating the president. the president's lawyer was in israel in tel-aviv yesterday. here are some comments he had to say about the mueller team. >> they are a group of 13 highly partisan democrats that make up the mueller team, excluding him, are trying very, very hard to frame him, to get him in trouble when he hasn't done anything wrong. they can't emotionally come to grips with the fact that this whole thing of russian collusion didn't happen, right? they're trying to invent theories of obstruction of justice. the president fired the fbi director. the president has the right to fire the fbi director. the president should have fired a fbi director he was a terrible fbi director.
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>> that's in line with the comments we've heard before. this is a preview of what we're about to see in the coming weeks. there's an inspector general report coming that we expect to criticize james comey for his handling of the clinton e-mail investigation. that's going to be part of the president's message there. also there's going to be a fight perhaps over whether or not the president sits down with robert mueller for a voluntary interview. if he doesn't sit for a voluntary interview, we expect to see the reasons just cited as part of that. >> evan perez, thank you. just ahead, we're breaking down the allegations in the new stormy daniels lawsuit. the claims of collusion and a coverup of those potentially incriminating texts. rudy giuliani keeps on talking and shocking as he makes his feelings about stormy daniels crystal clear at the same time. >> explain to me how she could
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dana bash, in this lawsuit they present some text messages between michael cohen and the lawyer for stormy daniels, keith davidson. the texts appear to show the two men trying to arrange her media appearances on january 17th of this year. cohen texted, the wise men all believe the story is dying and don't think it's pasmart for he to do any interviews. would that contradict what the president's previous statements suggested? >> that he didn't know anything about this, absolutely, it would. the new lawsuit that has been filed suggests more broadly that stormy daniels' old lawyer, her ex-lawyer, was in cahoots. that's obviously not a legal term, just a layman's term, with michael cohen and effectively with donald trump to try to make sure that her story doesn't get
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out. that is all part of this and it's also related to the kind of approach that michael cohen and the people in and around donald trump took with karen mcdougal, who had the same kind of situation. so, yes, it is contradictory. the question is how does this play out? does it matter? because so many things that we have seen and heard from this president, from this white house, from his legal team have been contradictory to other statements they have made. does it matter in the court of public opinion? it certainly doesn't seem that way for now. will it matter in a legal setting? that is a bigger question. >> i've read this 15-page statement that was filed, this lawsuit that was filed out in county of los angeles, santa monica courthouse. i'm sure you've read it as well.
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what is the biggest legal and ethical issue at stake now? >> as it relates to michael cohen, i don't see anything here. why he's advocating for the president, have her do the interview, we need to do the interview, are you available, call me back. that's what lawyers do when they want to get something done. so this aiding and abetting liability in this lawsuit, i don't get at all. as it relates mr. davidson, i don't see these e-mails as any smoking gun or text messages. attorneys commonly text and speak with each other when they're on opposite sides. clearly the one presenting the strategy was cohen. and this whole issue concerning the sean hannity issue did not happen. so the largest issues in the case concerning were there behind the scenes collusion going? i don't see a lot going on here in this lawsuit to make me concerned anyway. the biggest concern, quite frankly, is the president, what
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did he know and when did he know it. it makes it far less likely that he had no idea this was occurring. and that's why i will repeat, the president of the united states cannot sit for a deposition related to this case. it h result in perjury, which could result in impeachment. >> the president's lawyer rudy giuliani, he's over in israel right now. he decides to weigh in on the stormy daniels case. listen to this. >> when you look at stormy daniels, i know donald trump. >> let's respect her. >> look at his three wives, right? beautiful women, classy women, women of great substance. stormy daniels? explain to me how she could be damaged. she has no reputation. if you're going to sell your body for money, you just don't have a reputation. >> is he doing the president any favors? >> i have no idea what rudy giuliani is suggesting there. is he suggesting that donald trump wouldn't be interested in stormy daniels, that she would
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say anything to get attention? i mean, no one will believe either of those things, first of all. and donald trump, the suggestion that someone else would say anything to get attention but he would not is disproved easily by his history in new york with the tabloids, with stories about his romantic escapades. so i just have no idea what rudy giuliani is trying to accomplish here or why he is speaking about this in israel when this is not something that he is handling as the president's lawyer. he's on the president's legal team to deal with the mueller investigation, not to deal with any of the stormy daniels stuff. why is he talking? >> speaking of the mueller investigation, the president's lawyer rudy giuliani also said -- and i'm quoting him now -- these 13 highly partisan democrats who make up the mueller team are trying very, very hard to frame him to get him in trouble when he hasn't
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done anything wrong. the president's personal lawyer accusing these federal prosecutors of trying to frame the president. >> he's not the president's personal lawyer. he's the president's personal hatche hatchet man. the republicans involved include now the deputy attorney general as we discussed, robert mueller who is the republican appointee to be the fbi director, the most legendary fbi director since the fbi was formed in 1908. the senate committee that looked at this richard burr has said this is a legitimate investigation. now we have the spokesman for the white house, paul ryan saying this is a legitimate investigation. how many republicans do you need to say this is not 13 democrats who happen to be mueller lawyers making up a scheme? this is a republican-led investigation. >> and the fact that you had the house speaker who has been quite
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supportive, much to the chagrin of many of his colleagues, quite supportive of devin nunes, the house intelligence chair, and of others who have been asking for information from the justice department who have been very hard on the justice department about this russia probe, the fact that he made a point today of coming to the defense of trey gowdy, meaning coming to the side of the fbi hasn't done anything wrong as far as we can tell, was no accident. that is coming as the rhetoric from rudy giuliani about democrats and about this being a partisan witch hunt is escalating. and frankly, taking hold with public opinion. it is very interesting that that is something that the house speaker decided to weigh in on after all of this time not doing that. >> not just the house speaker, richard burr, the republican chairman of the senate
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intelligence committee. >> exactly. >> he was one of those gang of eight members who are briwere b in a highly classified briefing on all of this. he and trey gowdy and mitch mcconnell come out with the exception of devin nunes and say the fbi did exactly what is appropriate in a situation like this. >> this is pushback. this is the pushback that we have been wondering -- we've been hearing crickets. now we hear some pushback from the republican leaders on these issues, minus devin nunes on capitol hill. again, the fact that we are hearing this now as the criticism of the investigation has gotten really loud from rudy giuliani and the president himself is a very big signal to the president and to his lawyer. you know what? we got their back over at the
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justice department. let's back off now. >> just one thing. it's interesting. there's an expression in law, when the facts are on your side, you argue the facts. when the law is on your side, you argue the law. when neither is on your side, you pound the table. certainly we're seeing a lot of table pounding going on here. the other thing which strikes me as curious is constantly it's the defense's famous tactic, which is that you attack the investigation. the investigation is wrong. the investigators are wrong-sided, they're democrats, they're biassed. you have to do that to undermine public confidence. at the end of the day, this is more about impeachment than it is about a jury and indictment. >> rebecca, the president's lawyer rudy giuliani, he's weighing in on a whole bunch of issues today. he also weighed in all of a sudden on north korea even though he's the president's attorney, saying the president got kim jong-un, the north korean leader to beg on his hand and knees for the summit. is it wise for rudy giuliani to
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be saying something like that on the eve of what potentially could be a very historic summit in singapore next tuesday? >> other than potentially making the president feel important and in control, it doesn't accomplish anything. perhaps threatens to derail these very fragile negotiations on the eve of the negotiations. we saw just a few weeks ago how the wrong words at the wrong moment totally derailed these meetings and they needed to be rescheduled afterward. this could be such a statement. we don't know, of course, what will happen and how the north koreans will take that. but insulting kim jong-un and making him look desperate right as the president is set to sit down with him, i'm not sure it's a wise strategy. >> mike pompeo, the secretary of state who's gone to pyongyang twice, not very happy with those words himself. an important programming note, van jones will have an
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exclusive interview with kim cash cash about the president's pardon of alice johnson tomorrow on "cnn tonight" 10:00 p.m. eastern only here on cnn. up next, president trump praises his embattled epa chief even as new details emerge of the latest scandal swirling around scott pruitt.
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president trump praised his embattled epa administrator today even as new details emerged about yet another scandal involving scott pruitt. let's go to drew griffin working this story for us. pruitt is facing more ethics questions tonight. >> reporter: yeah. pruitt's latest scandal involves the head of the epa trying to cook up a business deal for his wife, fast food restaurant franchise that he tried to arrange with the restaurant chain's ceo. scott pruitt apparently tried to use his position as head of the environmental protection agency to get his wife a franchise with chick fill a. even more astonishing it's all in writing in government e-mails. on may 16th, 2017, pruitt's former aide writes, administrator pruitt asked me to reach out to you about a potential meeting.
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days later, a second message is sent. the administrator would like to talk about a potential business opportunity with mr. katcathy. it is just the latest in a long stream of ethically questionable moves and spending gaffes that has ethic experts amazed just how pruitt is able to hold onto his job. >> it's mind boggling how long the list of potential ethics violations are. >> reporter: earlier this week it was revealed pruitt sent an epa staffer on government time to run personal errands including asking the trump hotel about buying a used mattress for him. a list of probes or investigations into pruitt is a long one, from leasing a d.c. condo from a lobbyist's wife below cost to spending tax dollars on first class travel and weekend trips home, handing out jobs and pay raises to political aides, holding questionable meetings with companies seeking epa favors. 13 separate probes now underway
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involving pruitt and yet he keeps his job. you don't doubt that is the message scott pruitt is saying through his actions, ethics do not apply to me? >> i think that's certainly it. you even have inconsistent explanations for different things he's done. i don't think it's simply ethics rules. it's spliecompliance with all o safeguards and restraints on government officials. >> reporter: all of pruitt's officials do not seecm to be bothering the president, who today said this of his epa administrator. >> administrator scott pruitt, thank you, scott, very much. epa is doing really, really well. >> reporter: why? because big energy, big business, big coal, big mining, big oil, in other words big financial supporters of the president say they like what pruitt is doing to the epa. >> two things that have done more to lift the poor out of poverty than anything else, number one, fossil fuels.
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second is capitalism. >> reporter: his father is a billionaire. they donate to super pacs that they say they could not be happier with scott pruitt running the epa into the ground. >> the epa obviously needs to go away. >> reporter: until it does, he and others hope the president will keep scott pruitt right where he is. he was excited about the b possibility of bringing a franchise to tulsa, oklahoma. meanwhile, two of pruitt's close rest aides are leaving. one, the very staffer directed the try and find pruitt that used mattress. >> that story is not going away. thanks for the strong reporting. breaking news next. whoi president trump may be on the verge of issuing a wave of pardons. we'll talk about it with chris cuomo. barely enough time for this man to take a bite of turkey.
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charge. the president commuted her sentence a week after receiving a personal plea from kim kardashian. the president is said to be considering dozens of new pardons. let's get more from chris cuomo. he's here in washington. got some big sper views later tonight. let's talk about this. what do you make of the president? he seems to be wanting to do more and more of these pardons. >> the impetus seems obvious. on the political side, it's that this is unchecked power. the president can do what he wants. he doesn't have to ask anybody permission, he doesn't have the negotiate. with we get that's enticing to this president and that's why he's planning to do more even though this is very early ain a administration for these types of pardons. in terms of the optic, kim kardashian, a celebrity motiv e motivating this, that seems to matter. we sat down with chuck schumer. just finished the interview. i say today's a great opportunity p for you to call
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president. he says they haven't spoken in weeks. say good job, let's work on this issue now that we know you care about it. he said no. i said why no? this is the problem. not some celebrity comes up and all of a sudden, he's found religion on this issue. we wanted to work with him on it and he didn't. i'm not going to do it because kim kardashian says so. that's where we are today. >> is he trying, the president as some of his critics are saying, sending a message to others right now? >> i think that this type of move objectively sends lots of messag messages. tough take the johnson parton and put it to one side. you have to put the pardons of known liars on the other side then you have a third side here, which is the self-pardon talk. which has an absurdist notion to it. politically and legally. this main swath, why would you let a martha stuart, scooter libby, why would you have those kinds of people get off the hook? the argument that does send a
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message joe arpio, that he will be the ash tor. >> you had an amazing interview with rudy giuliani monday night. all of a sudden now, he's alleging that 13 angry democrats that worked for mueller, they are seeking to frame the president for something he didn't do. >> so, rudy giuliani seems to have a point of conflict here. which is he would say i'm zealous lly representing the rights of my client. but he's not just a lawyer. he's america's mayor. he's rudy giuliani. on the ballot in 2008. wanted to run in the primary. did so for a while. so when he says something like that, it carries weight. the guy who was at the doj. who would also respected his prominence and its if you think in the society. it carries weight. and that suggestion of that kind of conspiracy without any proof
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has to be damaging to the fabric of the country. >> framing the president. >> you would argue treason. >> that's an enormously serious charge. >> it is and the idea of well, it's okay because i'm representing his best interest. i don't think is satisfy, but you have to give him credit and i know the president does. he has changed this dialogue. instead of the media and people in politics pushing this president to be more transparent, we're doing to opposite. well, can you even subpoena him? indict him? well i guess he can plead the fifth. shouldn't have to sit for an interview. we could be having the on sit conversation and it would be justice justified. >> you have the press secretary at the white house, she's going to be live tonight on your new show. >> yes, great timing. we're getting very lucky here with cuomo prime time. you said you gave me that good luck. thank you very much. we'll use it the best way we can. sarah sanders wants to come on
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and talk about the first 500 days. good. b i believe the conversation has to start with this horrible moment we're in. toxic. the crediblility problems betwen the white house and media. cuomo prime time, tonight, t: 9 p.m. eastern. congratlaces on the new show. >> thank you. erin burnett "outfront" starts now. >> two top republicans breaking with the president tonight. pouring cold water on trump's conspiracy theory. will the rest of the gop stand up? and trump keeping praise on his cabinet. over the top compliments to every single one except for one. who was it? and breaking news. the husband of kate spade speaking out tonight. wh say iing about the final mons before she took her life. let's go "outfront." and good


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