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it works on collective security, don't mess with us all together. that's been on the mind for one of the smallest, newest members, wolf. >> became a formal official member of nato june last year, and the president was donald trump at that time. nick paton walsh, thanks very much. i'll be back 5:00 p.m. eastern in "the situation room." meantime, the news continues right now. hi there, i am brooke baldwin. you're watching cnn. known as day four in the trump, putin summit fallout. we have breaking news on a controversial proposal vladimir putin made to the president. the white house has apparently changed its tune. we'll explain that. i want to take a moment at the top of the show to remind everyone how we got to today. let's rewind back to helsinki, finland monday. here was president trump on the world stage.
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>> my people came to me, dan coats came to me and some others, they said they think it's russia. i have president putin, he just said it's not russia. i will say this, i don't see any reason why it would be. i have great confidence in my intelligence people, but i will tell you that president putin was extremely strong and powerful in his denial today. >> that is the president of the united states directly contradicting our nation's intelligence agencies. but wait because a day later back at the white house the president essentially is saying would, wouldn't, that was a slip of the tongue. >> the sentence should have been i don't see any reason why it wouldn't be russia. sort of a double negative. >> i said this wednesday, i'll say it again, that was ridiculous, right? the president now says he misspoke, that despite his comments in the last 18 months
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that he does agree with u.s. intel chiefs. then in the same breath, this. >> let me be totally clear in saying, and i've said this many times, i accept our intelligence community's conclusion that russia's meddling in the 2016 election took place. could be other people also. lot of people out there. >> again, let's just be clear. u.s. intelligence across the board says it was russia who interfered in the u.s. election, not other people. the very next day at the white house the president is then asked a key question. >> thank you all very much. appreciate it. >> is russia still targeting the u.s., mr. president? >> let's go, make your way out. let's go. we're finished here. >> to many, initially, including
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lawmakers on capitol hill, that was a resounding no, saying the u.s. is in the clear, russia's attacks are a thing of the past. that forced sarah sanders to give another white house clarification, saying the president was saying no to further questions, not to russian attacks. where are we today? >> you haven't condemned putin specifically. do you hold him personally responsible? >> well, i would because he's in charge of the country just like i consider myself to be responsible for things that happen in this country, so certainly as the leader of a country, you would have to hold him responsible, yes. >> what did you say to him? >> very strong on the fact that we can't have meddling. i let him know we can't have this, we're not going to have it, and that's the way it's going to be. >> that's what we're hearing from the president now. could have heard it before when he was sitting with putin, standing next to putin there or talking about putin interviews right after the fact. but all right. now trump is saying putin did it. but that's only part of the
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story. did anyone catch this comment monday in helsinki when trump was talking election interference. >> spent a great deal of time talking about it and president putin may very well want to address it and very strongly because he feels very strongly about it and he has an interesting idea. >> an interesting idea. so now we know what that interesting idea is. in their private meeting putin tosses out the suggestion which is this, he said that russia will allow robert mueller's team to come into his country, question a dozen russians charged with interfering in the election, but in return putin wants to interrogate americans. moments ago the white house now says it is opposed to this proposal but not after major backlash because again, sarah
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sanders at the podium when asked about it yesterday did not immediately shut it down. >> the president is going to meet with his team, we'll let you know when we have an announcement on that. >> is that a topic that came up in their conversation? did president putin raise this with president trump? >> there was some conversation about it but there wasn't a commitment made on behalf of the united states and the president will work with his team and we'll let you know if there's an announcement on that front. >> was it a conversation, was it a commitment? that's not what the state department would say. >> overall assertions that have come out of the russian government are absolutely absurd. >> and the breaking news now that the white house put out a statement to clarify the president's position on this. kaitlin collins, you're at the white house, we're talking about clarifications this week. what's the deal now? >> reporter: brooke, it is a proposal that the president initially said was incredible.
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the white house says it is off the table. sarah sanders issued a statement saying it is a proposal made in sincerity by president putin, but president trump disagrees with it. hopefully president putin will have the 12 identified russians come to the united states to prove their innocence or guilt. this is a proposal that president trump came out of the press conference, said vladimir putin made essentially that in exchange for letting special counsel robert mueller question the 12 military intelligence officers who were charged with attacking an american election, that they would be able to question some americans they believe have interfered in their affairs, including the former u.s. ambassador to russia, michael mcfall, who has been incredibly critical of russia and vladimir putin and his human rights record. this is astonishing, brooke, that the white house was considering this idea. we had 24 hours of backlash after sarah sanders was asked twice during the press briefing if the white house made a
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decision and was considering it. she did not rule it out. said the president and his team were considering it, there was no firm commitment but they would get back to us. that prompted bipartisan backlash. they couldn't believe the white house was even entertaining this idea. after 24 hours of that, they've come back to say it is off the table. the president does disagree with it. in the last segment of the statement, said hopefully the russians will send the 12 military intelligence officers to the united states. that's an idea that largely a lot of people believe is not likely to happen, even the president's own national security adviser, said it wasn't on the table, it was more a show to indict 12 russians for hacking the election. brooke, day four of fallout from the president's explosive press conference in helsinki, and we're seeing again the white house having to clean up one more decision after there was backlash from all throughout
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washington. >> kaitlin, thank you. we touched on this a second ago. after several days of seeing this fallout from the summit between putin and trump, putin is now weighing in. for that angle, let's go to senior international correspondent matthew chance who is live this evening in moscow. what is putin saying? >> reporter: well, brooke, with all of the confusion, with conflicting remarks being made from the white house, at least you can say that vladimir putin is being consistent. he snolt flis not flip flopping at all. he thought the meeting went well, thought there were useful agreements made, although he hasn't made clear what the nature of the agreements were, but he jumped to the defense of donald trump saying that essentially there are those in the united states who for political reasons are trying to undermine the positive results of that meeting. take a listen to the russian
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president defend his american counterpart. >> translator: we see that there are forces in the united states that are prepared to casually sacrifice russia, u.s. relations, to sacrifice them for their ambitions in the course of an internal political battle. >> reporter: internal political battle, consistently has the kremlin, russian officials, foreign ministry, always characterized the idea that there was collusion between the trump campaign and the russians or even the idea there was any kind of hacking by russia of the u.s. presidential political system, and they stuck to that line time and again. remember just to characterize how well this meeting went from a russian point of view, sergei lavrov, russian foreign minister, normally restrained in his remarks, called the talks magnificent, better than super. and that's worryingly high praise coming from a kremlin
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official when it comes to this meeting. >> magnificent. matthew chance, thank you so much. let's dive into all of this. with me now, expert in american diplomacy, jamie reuben, was assistant secretary of state for public affairs under president clinton. and jamie reuben, my goodness. let's start with this because we wanted to talk to you. there are american diplomats in all corners of the globe that trust and depend on their government's unwavering support. after this proposal between putin and trump and the 24 hours of bipartisan backlash that followed, now we're hearing from the white house, disagreeing with this putin proposal. what are the diplomats, what would you be thinking? >> well, i guess i would be troubled by the difficulty that the white house and the administration had in immediately coming to the defense of its diplomats, and they could have done it very easily. the really silly part of all of
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this is that the impression was allowed to sit for 24 hours by the administration that u.s. diplomats could somehow be handed over to the russians, that that was the proposal, when even putin's absurd proposal never envisioned that, he just wanted to have the u.s. question its own diplomats while the russians were watching, and that was never going to happen. so there was really, really bad handling. first thing they should have done is come out in defense of american diplomats. nobody will be handed over, nobody is going to be questioned, that we're focused on getting the result related to mueller, and if you look at what happened today and what the president's statement ultimately said, i think you can see there's a pattern, that the decisions that the world, united states would have liked president trump to make at the summit are now allegedly being made two days later. that's the absurd part. >> what does it say to you that
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to use our correspondent in moscow's point that the president of russia this week seems to be more consistent than the president of the united states. >> that's the problem. it is not just what the president says and does, it is the whole way the administration is managed. yesterday the state department called the russian assertions absurd, while the white house press secretary couldn't figure out how to respond, she said maybe this is still on the table. that's what gives the impression that the right hand and left hand are not operating in synch. i think we should also remember that putin is now smarting. president putin is in a way realizing that this whole thing may have back fired on him, and i'll tell you why. if you look at what his proposal is all about, it was about the so-called sanctions. and if you look at the original
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meddling argument that the russians came to the trump campaign, it was to see whether they could get these sanctions removed in a new administration, and by involving themselves so deeply, by causing this backlash in the united states, by making russian meddling the single most important issue in american politics, the chances of russian sanctions being reversed are exactly zero. both republicans and democrats are only talking about increasing sanctions. so while yes, some success has come to putin on a tactical level, his big goal is a failure, which is to change u.s., russian relations. that's why he's coming to trump's defense, why he's desperate to say things are getting better when they're obviously not. >> speaking of that, i wanted to get this sound in, bill brouden, one of the americans called out in helsinki monday, he said this
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earlier today on cnn. >> vladimir putin is a bald faced liar, he is a criminal and he's a killer and he should know that, and he should also know to hand me over to putin is basically to hand me over to my death. >> what is the danger, going back to the original point here, and again, the white house is disagreeing with this notion, but the danger that the white house even gave this exchange of russians for americans a hint of consideration and didn't immediately, when sarah sanders was asked about this not just once but twice yesterday in the briefing, didn't put a stop to it. >> that's the sad part because i don't believe in any construction that congress, let alone the rest of the administration, would have ever allowed browder or an american ambassador to ever be put in any danger from the russians through such a proposal. the sad part is if you look at what putin said, and i'm just
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looking at the transcript now from helsinki, even he wasn't proposing that. he merely said that he wanted to have russians come to the united states and observe browder and the american ambassador being questioned by americans. so there was no construction, even putin's absurd proposal, the white house just rejected, never envisioned putting him in any danger. if the administration had somebody with the wit and wisdom to read back the transcript from helsinki of putin's proposal yesterday, i think we wouldn't have had to spend this day worried about whether diplomats would be put in jeopardy. >> here's my last question, you know about core oh graphing meetings like this. as was reported 24 hours ago, on the russian side they said deals were made, military agreements
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specifically, and the only specific we heard was this bit about russians for the americans. my question to you is how much of what was discussed between presumptive and putin do americans have the right to know? >> well, as much as president trump has not handled his diplomacy with russians particularly well or diplomacy with allies, i have to say as someone that worked in the executive branch, the president of the united states should be able to meet with counterparts, with a translator present, have private discussions that then they figure out whether they're going to be turned into agreements and then flushed out and then discussed wider, and if they're actually implemented, flushed out even further and discussed wider. but the idea that the united states public should have an immediate megaphone into the meeting of president putin and
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president trump would just defeat the purpose of diplomacy. i don't believe that was ever going to happen. i think what it brings up is a lack of confidence and trust that has developed between our branches of government and people in our government, so people don't have the trust and confidence in the administration and the president who have not been committing to something that would be very dangerous, and the example of the diplomats, inability to read back the transcript, explain nobody was ever going to be handed to the russians, the fact that went on for a day shows you why trust and confidence is lost, let alone the question behind the mueller investigation which will obviously be a deeper level of trust and confidence that's lost. >> jamie reuben, thank you so much. >> you're welcome. coming up. "time" magazine, you've seen the cover, tackling the president's praise of putin with the cover
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that has everyone talking. look at this. more on this photo and a revealing poll taken after the summit. artist rendering. and the poison plot thickens after a nerve agent attack on a russian agent and his daughter. and later, shogicking audio. a republican congressman caught demeaning women repeatedly, and lamenting that he can't call them sluts any more. you're watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. man: are unpredictable crohn's symptoms following you everywhere? it's time to take back control with stelara®. for adults with moderately to severely active
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working on the case come and work with their investigators with respect to the 12 people. i think that's an incredible offer. >> all right. let's start right there. that was president trump obviously standing by vladimir putin on monday in finland, now we have the breaking news from the white house that they're now saying that the white house disagrees with this proposal. gloria borger, bob baer, michael zellden with me. it is again the theme of walk backs. would, wouldn't, the meaning of no, now this proposal. i just want your gut reaction to this quote, unquote uncredible offer -- incredible offer, and now the walk back. >> the reversal was so weak and sub miss i have and even in turning around, saying we're not going to do it was complimentary to putin, it was a proposal made
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in sincerity by vladimir putin because he really wants to help us, right? no. this was a proposal that was kind of a trap and that it was not made out of sincerity, and effectively showed the president was gullible and completely mismatched when it came to standing next to vladimir putin, and they knew congress was about to overwhelmingly pass a resolution saying that you can't possibly do this, so instead of saying, for example, we would never do this, this stands against anything we would ever do to any member of our diplomatic community, kind of an are you kidding me response, this was sort of like okay, putin made a nice offer, but when thinking about it now, we kind of disagree with it, and it is just to me the language was just weak. >> how about just even michael, on the sheer legality of this.
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i was trying to read into this. the u.s. doesn't have an extradition treaty with russia. since this would be politically motivated, couldn't doj, even if it was considered a hot minute, could the doj just say no? >> there are two parts that we have to keep separate. first, we have a mutual legal assistance treaty with russia. mlat. russia is asked by our department of justice to provide comprehensive mutual assistance on criminal matters. so within terms of that treaty, i think the united states is well within its rights to demand of russia compliance with mlat and provide whatever information we may need in our criminal prosecution of the 12 russians mueller indicted. on the other side -- >> but what about the americans? >> i was going to say. on the other side, on the incoming, there's no on-going
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criminal investigation in the united states, so there is no request that can be made under the treaty. under the treaty even if there were such an obligation, there's a carve out if it provides for violation of national security or other national interests which clearly the ambassador's testimony would fit within, and browder is not even present in the united states. incoming, it makes no sense. outgoing, the president could say i'm still going to hold the president of russia to his obligations under this treaty and demand cooperation. >> got it. bob, to you, i want to move past this to another nugget that came out thanks to "new york times." they're reporting that the country's intel chiefs showed incoming president trump, i think two weeks shy of the presidential inauguration specific evidence that putin was personally responsible for attacking the u.s. elections.
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last night on cnn, james clapper seemed to reaffirm that. here he was. >> before we left the room, started writing a press release about our encounter, trying to say that the russian meddling, russian interference had no impact on the outcome of the election. we didn't say that but i think there was skepticism from the get go from that day to this day that indicated that anything that attacked the legitimacy of now president trump's election, he couldn't get his head around. >> couldn't get his head around, bob baer. what more can intelligence agencies do to prove to this president that russia attacked the election? >> well, general clapper put it too nicely for my liking. >> how would you put it? >> the president is illiterate when it comes to intelligence. i have read that indictment
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against 12 russian intelligence officers. it couldn't be any clearer. the intelligence can't be any better. it is nobody else but russia. they modeleddled to help trump. he doesn't understand the difference between human sources, intercepts, one you can rely on, the other you can't. he is an amateur at this and trying to defend himself politically, which is an explosive mix when it comes to politics. what's going to happen when there's intelligence put in front of him that we're about to go to war with somebody. how is he going to react in a pearl harbor situation, is he going to dismiss it? i cannot underline how dangerous this is when a president turns against his own intelligence community and when the intelligence is absolutely, patently clear. >> illiterate and amateur. on that note, throw up the "time" magazine cover, melding
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between putin and trump. and you'll see this cover. here it is. and gloria borger, when you first saw this -- >> i did a double take. i wasn't quite sure what it was. i am trying to figure out whose eyes it is. looks like putin's. it is insulting to donald trump. he doesn't like it. he is being made fun of, which is the thing he hates most in the world, and he understands that in terms of sort of handing over ambassador mcfall for interrogation by the russians, people on capitol hill were laughing at him. laughing at him if it weren't so serious. and you know this whole notion that donald trump is a president who deals from strength, he's the great negotiator. the second sentence in his statement today is hopefully president putin will have the 12
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identified russians come to the united states. hopefully? hopefully? is he sort of making a wish? i think you'd expect stronger language from a president whose election had been hacked and it is continuing, and i think that, you know, the cover is just one more example of showing that donald trump really got outwi d outwitted by vladimir putin in a big way. he just wasn't up to having that conversation. >> maybe not one of the "time" magazine covers to put in the golf club. gloria, bob, michael, thank you so much for that conversation today. coming up here, unraveling the mystery in the uk. how police id two smts months
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after -- agents months after. and joe biden says he would be his dream opponent in 2020. chris cillizza on who trump is likely to face head on in the next election.
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handle of their home. let's go to diplomatic editor nic robertson there in salisbury. we know the suspects are identified, but they're not in custody yet, is that correct? >> reporter: they're not in custody. in fact, they're believed to be in russia at the moment, that's the best information the authorities have. look, the house behind me, that's the house, the door handle was contaminated. this is ground zero for the investigation. the property is still under active investigation. it is potentially a danger to the public as well. that's why it is cordoned off. that gives you an indication how important the new development is. what we understand from a source is that british authorities through a listening post in the island of cypress in the mediterranean were able to intercept a coded russian message sent to moscow, saying the pair of attackers had left. this came just a couple days after sergei and his daughter were poisoned in march. then as you say what the police
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were able to do is back reference from there, go through those thousands of hours of closed-circuit camera video from the salisbury and airports and narrow it down to those two people. what they believe they discovered is that these two were traveling under aliases, no big surprise there, that they've also not been known or recognized to british intelligence officials. so again, it fits that m.o. of a clean skin, doing the poisoning, the attack, and leaving quickly. the russians who denied involvement, denying it again. this is what their ambassador to the uk said today. >> this is the reports of the media. unfortunately we don't have official statements from the british. so i want to hear from the foreign office. a lot of versus in the newspaper
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are not supported by statements of the foreign office. >> reporter: so far no comment from the british government or metropolitan police leading the investigation here. clearly whatever they say can give important details away to the russians. >> nic robertson, thank you so much. back here at home, coming up, 838 days and counting. the next presidential election may seem a tad far away, but the buzz around the democrats who could challenge trump is building. chris cillizza has your power rankings coming up. ♪ it is such a good time to kiss ♪
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if you are counting along with chris cillizza, there are 838 days until the 2020 presidential election. but president trump is already taunting his possible democratic challengers. >> who do you think your
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democratic opponent will be? joe biden says he will make a decision by january. >> i dream about biden, that's a dream. look, joe biden ran three times. he never got more than 1%, and president obama took him out of the garbage heap and everybody was shocked that he did. >> so clearly president trump wants the former vice president, but who is he most likely to face? chris cillizza is here with us with a definitive power list of ten possible challengers, not that you're counting how many days to the next election. who's on the list. >> let's run through them. let's show the first. 10 through 6. we're going least likely to most likely. eric holder. the former attorney general is not the most likely candidate at the start of 2017, but he has been to early primary states, talked about running against
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trump, and he is somebody that can carry that obama legacy. another, deval patrick from massachusetts. you'll see here bernie sanders which might be odd to folks. why is bernie sanders, runner-up to hillary clinton in 2016, why is he fifth on the list. here's why. i think a lot of people want to not relive 2016, democrats especially. i think that bernie sanders in some way may be seen as a little of the past, maybe a younger voice. you're going to have a lot of liberal voices in the conversation. does he get crowded in or not. go to the top three. at number three, harris. she's the first indian american and african-american woman to the senate. attorney general of california before she was elected. she's writing a memoir that comes out in 2019. wink wink. i wonder why she's doing that.
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very serious contender. elizabeth warren. a name a lot of people know. some people wanted her to run in 2016 against hillary clinton. she decided not to do it. giving every indication she will run now. if democrats are looking for a liberal voice that fought the establishment, it is probably elizabeth warren. number one, my vanna white reveal, joe biden. you say joe biden? yes. joe biden. here's why. if you look at all past nominations, particularly crowded ones, the person that starts in front in polling is almost always in the end mix. joe biden is in front. he's ahead in national polling of the democratic primary, ahead in polls in new hampshire, and 17 points ahead of donald trump. joe biden's problem here is he is 74 years old. he is the former vice president of the united states. he is not exactly a new, fresh
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face. but very strongly well regarded by barack obama and those that work for barack obama, and that does matter in the democratic primary. that's them. 838 days from now it may look a little different. that's who we've got as of now. back to you. >> there's the top ten, vanna, thank you. all right, back to breaking news. the white house putting out a statement just now saying president trump now opposes this proposal by putin that would turn over some american diplomats for questioning. moments ago, chuck schumer said this. >> mr. president, now i'm hopeful we'll come together on this resolution which i introduced with the senator from new jersey and senator from hawaii that is neither the policy nor the practice of the united states to submit our citizens, let alone our ambassadors to a foreign
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new today, republican congressman jason lewis firing back, defending past comments about women and his use of the word slut. we dug up audio of lewis in 2012
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on his radio talk show. >> can you call anybody a slut? does a woman have the right to behave, i know there's a double standard between the way men chase women and running around, you know, i'm not going to get there, you know what i'm talking about. >> yeah. >> but used to be women were held to a little bit of a higher standard, we required modesty from women. are we beyond the ways women can behave as a slut but you can't call her a slut? are you serious? i know. congressman lewis responded with a video today. >> you know, i was a broadcaster over two decades, candidate for office, now elected office holder, i've had to answer a lot of questions over the years, good ones and silly ones. it comes with the territory. not only do i like answering the questions, i enjoy a good
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debate. that's what politics is all about. >> let's talk it over. he is running for re-election, he is blaming his political opponent, a democrat and woman for the audio release, and calling it -- >> it is interesting how these guys do not tell the truth when they feel under siege. he claimed that his opponent basically fed us audio which is not true, he claimed there's nothing new in our reporting which is also not true. and he's claimed that we were fed audio by the blogger who we obtained it from, which is basically not what happened. i was looking into the radio show and saw that this man had, you know, reported him before, i reached out, he said i have 1500 hours of his radio show, why don't you take a look through it. >> i watched the entirety of the video response from today where
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he is essentially throwing the media under the bus, shock face, saying the media is not questioning his opponent enough on her issues and that these were comments he made on women years ago, although he doubled down this morning on the radio. >> yes. this afternoon he basically doubled down. he said i would not have a problem going into the same discussion today. he said his comments made for an interesting hour of radio, and he said it was his job to be provocative. he is defending the sluts comments basically. >> as a sitting congressman. >> as a sitting congressman, yeah. >> okay. andr thank you so much. dan coats set to speak over backlash of the president's praise of vladimir putin. we're standing by for that. also, how facebook founder mark zuckerberg is doing damage
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you're watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. thanks for being with me. breaking news, the white house issued another clarification today or clean up for comments the president made at his summit with vladimir putin. comments that led to severe backlash from both sides of the aisle. remember, the two men met this past monday. now the trump administration is saying it does oppose the
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ludicrous proposal by the russian leader. putin had suggested his people be allowed to interrogate americans in exchange for the special counsel, robert mueller, getting access to 12 russians indicted for attacking u.s. elections. the white house now quote, unquote disagrees with this idea, but just yesterday the administration showed literally two minds about it, with the white house saying one thing and the state department saying another. >> does president trump support that idea, is he open to having u.s. officials questioned by russia? >> the president will meet with his team. we'll let you know when we have an announcement on that. >> i can tell you the assertions from the russian government are absolutely absurd. >> the senate approved a resolution to oppose questioning of said diplomats by a foreign government. >> let this resolution be a warning to the administration
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