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>> this is donald trump's campaign manage r given his former campaign manager the finger. >> the stakes could not be higher for the president. >> the trump administration had no plan for how to reunite the parents and children. >> they made a terrible decision to break and enter into our country. >> and there was potential for significant traumatic injury for the children. >> we have to protect our democracy, the trump had min strags is not doing enough. >> everyone and everything is now a target. >> this is new day. >> we will be covering all of those stories very soon. good morning, everyone. welcome to the new day. >> added again, the mueller
investigation moving forward in the courtroom. >> president trump's former campaign chairman is on trial for experience to avoid paying taxes on millions of dollars. but the campaign team is accused. cnn learned that president trump as you might imagine, the president has been glued to the tv as he moved to floor. the allies continue to try to distan distance. good morning, david, morning of the second day for the first trial arising out of special council robert mueller's russia
investigation. it could be a case about whether or not a long-time washington power broker built a fortune, a million dollar fortune, out of a house of lies or if he was duped into doing it by a long-time deputy. >> paul manafort facing day two of his trial for fraud after both sides lay the ground work. he failed to report foreign bank accounts. and mfrt is called a shrewd liar
for opening over 30 bank accountants. prosecutors arguing the money went toward supporting manafort's lavish lifestyle including multiple homes, expensive cars, a $21,000 watch and a $15,000 ostrich jacket. gate's is cooperating with counc council. it is a plan they use to discredit his testimony. gates also worked for the trump campaign, but the president and the investigation into potential russia collusion is likely to be addressed in this case. >> this trial centers on matters that have nothing to do with the campaign. >> the trump administration is continuing to distance itself from manafort. >> paul manafort does not know
anything nor could it be possible that he does. >> he has nothing to do with our campaign. >> despite raising the work during his campaign. >> they helped us grow the campaign. >> publicly the white house strategy is to down play the proceedings. watching tv coverage and asking his legal team for updates. trump has said that he is being treated unfairly, that manafort may by holding out for a pardon. >> he will be the last man defending trump and bet it all on a pardon. >> they are expressing confidence after day one of the trial. >> any chance he may flip and cooperate? >> no chance.
they continue to layout their case, they will call an fbi agent to the stand, and also daniel rabin who will talk about how he worked for ukrainian campaigns. yesterday odd top -- another top consultant to testify today. he talked about the extraordinary lengths that manafort between the to try to help the pthd. let's talk about the strategy, paul manafort's lawyers saying it is his right-hand man you should be looking at. rick gates is a liar, he can't
be trusted, he duped paul manafort, and he will saying in to save his own skin. >> in almost every major case where an underling flips against a superior, there is a version of this defense. it was the underling that set up the whole scam, benefitted from it, and the superior whether it is a mob boss or an insider trading case, this pattern of blaming the person that flips is very common in federal court. >> it is interesting that in this case, this is a major test of what he has. he was working on the campaign in ukraine that ties to putin
and the russian regime. and there is no evidence that he was a con due wit in the campaign into if you make a political argument based on the evidence unfolding from this campaign, the trump side says he doesn't have much. there is nothing that has to do with -- how he continued the campaign. the drumts will speak for themselves. a lot of people will just provide the documents, here it is, here is how you know he was trying to evade tax laws, so if you think why not go through the case, why not get the case out of the way, so politically it
probably plays well to say if that's all you got, you better find something new, but you would lead with the case that has the easiest resolution, the documentary based case, and that is this one. >> jeffrey, you talked about this in other circumstances in normal circumstances, if you have a like flynn or manafort, it doesn't look well for you. trump seems to be a different figure here. >> all they are saying is he was only the campaign chairman for four months. they only last about a year, not ten years, i don't blame the
trump administration for trying to distance themselves, but i think we as journalists have to be -- have to tell the truth here and say this guy was very important. it is important to point out that these crimes, if they're governmented before he was evolved in the campaign and the crimes do not relate in the campaign, but what does this say about trump that this is the guy he troes to run his campaign? it doesn't say anything good. >> i'm also now shurt that the reports of paul manafort's shady business dealings have been out there for years, so for judgment and whether or not this is the kind of guy you want in your m
campaign is a real question. >> he did not vet it in office or prior to that. but i want to be very clear with everyone, just because there is not a collusion aspect to this investigation or particular trial, do not be deceived. mueller had every right to explore this ak pekt spect of t. if i come across anything nefarious, just because it is not a collusion aspect, it doesn't mean that mueller is going on a witch hunt. you could have done this so easily with a google hunt. >> and also it is important to remember who -- what manafort was doing in the ukraine. he was working for viktor
yanukovych who was working for vladimir putin. the fact that he would name paul manafort, who basically only had one client for the last several yea years. that tells you something about how candidate trump regarded the whole putin situation. he was on putin's side. >> here is one other piece. it is interferes on critical infrastructure. that is what is so striking. i think prosecutors prosecute crimes when they come across them. it is in their portfolio to do
that. and payouts, if that is bank fraud, that is something the rest of us say what does that have to do with the investigation. >> you follow where the evidence leads. robert mueller is not interested in possible fraud involving the taxicab industry in new york city, but he turned the evidence over to the southern district of new york. >> here is the jeopardy category, jeffrey, names being floated to replace alex trebeck. >> who is consoler coats. i'm so down on the coats campaign. can i just say one thing to lawyer, odds and ends for 200?
i want you to say "the answer is --." >> i do watch the show, last week they had -- the answer was national security advisor who plead guilty to lying to the fbi. no one got the answer. i would have gotten that answer. >> but you don't want to give all of this up. >> you know what? it is time for a little bragging. i have been an answer on -- a question on who is jeffrey tubin twice. once it was a daily double. say no more, right? a daily double, right? >> that is breaking news. >> i have been on jeopardy when they come to dc and it is so nerve racking. my son was in the audience, i got nothing right, and he almost left the auditorium. he is like this is really -- i thought this would go well.
>> you've been on jeopardy, you're being floated to replace alex trebeck, you have been a question. and i have watched jeopardy. >> i have been asked today be on celebrity and i was told in no uncertain terms you're not enough of a celebrity. >> i was able to reach out and thank him. i'm just an audience fan, i just wanted to thank him, he was so gracious and humble about it. i think of alex trebeck with a mustache or without -- >> all i can think about is laura coats.
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as we have been telling you this morning, facebook has found another tis information claim. joining us now, angus king of maine who serves on the senate intelligence committee. senator, good to see you. >> thank you, david, i thought you were going to start with something like russian active measures for 200. >> yes, the jeopardy name with us all morning, absolutely right. what is the upshot of what has been discovered here? facebook is reporting an attempt to spread more propaganda to influence voters. in what direction are you confidence that russia is behind this? >> i'm reasonably confident.
no one knows for sure, but that is one of the points. one is, they're back. we're pretty confidence in that number, and two it is more sophisticated than it was two years ago. they're making it hard tore trace back the origin of some of these posts. >> i want to interrupt on that point because i think it speaks to something. there is a lot of debate as what they're taking seriously enough, former james clapper who was on the program a few minutes ago saying facebook is getting help from the government, is that a sign to you that the add m administration is taking it more seriously? >> i think yesterday was a turning point. i think he is right. i think facebook is working with the fbi -- i don't have confirmation of that, but that is my understanding, and the secretary of homeland security i think made the strongest statement in 18 or 19 months on
this issue, that a, they're doing it, and b, they're going to pay a price. i hope that was a turning point in terms of the attention to this being paid by the administration. it has been pretty much radio silence, as you know, since the election. i think that is a turning point. they are doing it, they are taking it more seriously i think, and i hope that will be continuing. but it doesn't reassure you when the first thing that john bolten does is eliminate cyber coordinator in the national security council. that just doesn't make any sense given the magnitude of the risk. >> dan coats said the red light is flashing here indicating that we need to use or imaginations to see what is possible. what do you worry about and what do americans need to be on guard
about in. >> i think the first thing, and this is not the subject of the hearing today, but we have been talking about it all year. russian attempts to get into the state voting systems, voting machines, registration lists, and that kind of thing, i think that is still a risk. there has been a lot of work done, but i don't think the states are as secure as they think they are. that is a risk. secondly is which whole disinformation campaign which they're very good at. the soviet union did this starting in the 30s. they are really good at it, they're experienced at it, and they're way ahead of us, i think, in the use of their technology to do what they have always been doing. what we got from facebook yesterday points this out. this is not all about elections in is about under mining our whole system. these posts they're talking about yesterday that i believe are the tip of the iceberg, i
think there is a lot more going on, these posts are designed to divide us and they're taking the strengths of our country. free expression, first amendment, and a democratic system where opinion matters and information matters, and they're turning it on us. and that is what is so dangerous and that will continue, not just elections, but divide our society in any which way they can. >> i think one of the revelations for facebook in 2016 is what are they? they're a platform, a community, but there is idealism in that that was exploited. now they're facing the idea of are they a news source? do they have an editing function. mark zuckerberg has new policies but there is inconsistencies about what they allow. what should the government be doing at this point to regulate facebook. to regulate the spreading of
propaganda. >> i'm reluctant to use regulation, you get into first amendment and -- >> but that's the rub, right? you have to call it out. >> we're having a hearing today with experts on this whole process, and one of my key questions is okay, what do we do? one possibility for example is requiring or stipulating that we know when we're being served information by bots. by robotic responses. i don't think that has a flas th -- place in this discourse. what are the responsibilities of facebook. this is a very tough area. you say if facebook is a news source, the first amendment saying we don't regulate that. but when we talk about foreign actors, and that will be the work of our committee starting
today, and actually starting a year ago, and we're looking forward to further hearings on this subject. i think this is one of the great dilemmas of how do we balance national security and privacy, and the first amendment, that will be the challenge. >> right, and what if something is provably falably false. holocaust denial could be permissible but that is provably false. >> if a newspaper publishes something or you publish something you know is false, you're liable under the laws of liable. that is not true of facebook, and so we're really i involving the legal sort of structure here, facebook at the initial stages of this just said look, we're just turning the switch and everyone can do what they want. i think now they're realizing they have some level of
responsibility. what they did yesterday was an important step, but how they substitution institutionalize that is important. >> steve ban nnon said the november election is a up or down vote on the impeachment. we don't know what mueller report will be, but as an independent do you caution democrats against pursuing impeachment politically? >> it is a political matter, i think as you outline. i don't think -- i don't think steve bannon is right. i don't see it that way, there are so many other issues. i don't think anyone in maine will vote based on impeachment or not. it is an extraordinary remedy, and to be honest in this situation, i think the way to solve problems if you don't like the president or the president's
party, i think elections is a way to do it, not something that would be highly divisive. i understand steve bannon saying that because he wants to rouse up the base, but i don't think that's what it is about. i think it is about other issues like health care. thank you, david. a top health official in this country says he tried to warn the trump administration of the harm that would be done to kids separated from their parents, but the government ignored that advice. we have rick santorum, next. new laptop with 24/7 tech support. yep, thanks guys. i think he might need some support. yes start them off right. with the school supplies they need at low prices all summer long. save $200 on this dell laptop at office depot officemax.
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a top health and human services official testified that for a year he tried to warn the trump administration about the ta dangers of separation of families at the border. >> we raised a number of concerns in the program about any policy that would result in family separation due to concerns we had about the best interest of the child and whether or not that would be operationally supporter with the bed capacity we have. there is no question that separation of kids from parents can cause traumatic
psychological damage to a child. >> good morning, rick, the border crisis has not gone away. 510 kids are still separated from their parents and their parents are no longer here in the country. their parents have been deported. they may never be reunited with their parents or never see their parents again. are you satisfied with this outcome? >> i think number one we're down to as you mentioned 500 kids separated from their ta kids. that and lead togs a greater question. we have a difficult situation where parents come here illegally and bring their children, and we treat it differently under law and it leads to separation.
>> under the previous administration, they were reunited. >> because we didn't deport. that is really the issue of whether or not we're going to deport parents, and children are they treated differently. if we treat them differently that becomes a separation. if you bring a child here in the united states, you can't get deported? there are bigger policy issues here and i understand you don't want to create a system of deterrence by separating them, but if you don't have a policy to deal with this problem, you edge courage people -- there is 700 some kids still in residential settings, but 200 of them the parents have voluntarily given up their
parental rights or they were not proper to reunite. >> i have to fact check that. >> it's out there, it was in several articles yesterday. >> our reporting is that those parents, some of whom, english is not their native language, didn't know the paperwork they were being rushed to sign, didn't understand it, didn't know they meant to never see your children again. >> that means that the parents would subsequent i will ly be d and the children can come back here. they could reunite back in their country. >> it's not that easy, they don't have money, they don't have lawyers, they don't have a
phone number to find their kids. the kids don't know how to contact their parents, it's a mess. >> i don't argue that, the entire situation even before the policy that created this particular problem was particularly problematic. this is a very difficult situation when people break the law, enter this country with children, and you had even in the previous administrations problems in how you deal with this in a way that maintains the integrity of your border and treats children in a humane and decent way. this is not an easy problem, you don't want to encourage it to be even worse. >> but you know there is an asylum process -- >> a whole different deal if someone comes to the border to seem asylum. >> some of these were asylum seekers. some of them were asylum seekers and there was zero tolerance at the border, so people even coming to seem asylum were
separated from their children. >> and that was wrong. if you were legitimately seeking asyl asylum, you present yourself and say we are seeking asylum, that is a different situation than people who use a coyote to -- most of people people are not from mexico. most of them have traversed the entire length of mexico to come here. >> what does that tell you? >> they were in danger long before they came to this country. we talk about what we have done to them, think about what they went through with their parents coming through the entire country of medical examiner quo. >> does that make you sleep better at night to blame the parents. >> what weapon don't want is a situation at our border where we create a incentive for people to
say well, if you can make that trip to the united states -- >> i get it, it was a deterrent, but do you want to traumatize 510 kids for that? >> i get it, but there is a policy discussion that needs to take place that we're not endangers more children. >> of course, but once they get to our border, we should not be -- talk about ent dangdanger them, we're the united states and we separated the kids from their parents. >> i understand and that was not the right policy, but you have to have a policy that doesn't treat children and their parents over here treating them differently. >> i get it, we need a fix, but for 510 kids it is too late.
>> if we say it is too late -- >> for these kids they may never see their parents again. we need to seek a reunification for them. >> i mean they had some. reason to walk 1500 miles, it wasn't a vacation. and blocking the blueprints for 3-d printing a gun. we'll have a "new day" reality check coming up, next. i like chillaxin.
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so the washington nationals made history scoring ing 25 run. >> good morning, david, if you see any mets fans walking around the office, you may want to give them a little pat on the shoulder. the forgettable season for the mets just reaching it's low point last night. the nationals just put a beat down on the mets. they were up 19-0 after the first five innings. they went on to win 25-4. the worst loss in mets history. at one point, the mets
broadcaster just started reading out of the media guy to pass the time. jose raez came in to pitch. and the mets fans can't wait for this season to be over. >> i'm sure, andy, thanks. >> time for our reality check, john avalon. >> it seems we got the president's attention. after talking about the dangers of the plans on 3-d printed guns and now we know what he did, he spoke to the nra and echoed a
30-year-old law. we will do what it takes to sprekt americans and support the first and second amendments. that is a example of the art of the dodge. thanks to a trump administration settlement, plans for 3-d printed guns were put up after the obama administration stopped it. the plans were now available for public release, unlimited distribution in any form. so the group that posted the plans to say the age of the downloadble gun formally begins. this is the sound of a new era, not the stat discuss -- status quo. when a few lawmakers wanted to
modernize the law a few years ago, the nra said they strongly oppose any effort to expand that law and the nra is on the record saying they are kpexemplars of freedom. so don't believe the hype. while the president deserves credit for recognizing that his own administration settlement about want to lead to a policy that doesn't make much sense, under measure they ran right back to the nra for approval of their position. if it weren't for the late night actions of a judge, this policy would have gone forward despite the president's tweet. but they stopped the policy from simply slipping through the cracks, at least for now. a remind near we all need to shine a light when special interests attempt to advance their plans in the dark. >> do you have a double reality
check for us right now? >> there is a deep need right now and one popped up that we could not ignore in the tampa rally last night where he was talking about the virtues of voter id. has anyone in the last several decades, you don't need to show id to get milk or eggs. >> the president probably has not bought groceries in a long time. >> it is interesting, he doesn't bring up at the rallies, things about voter registration and the task force, there is that reality check. >> if you're going to be a pop list, y populist you want people votes mo -- voting more, not less. >> another quick reality, check,
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untraceable unregistered gun? >> utter shock. i was in despair. i was grieving again, i was revictimized and retraumatized. i spoke to your colleague chris cuomo shortly after the shooting in say are kas and i told him. i said during the shooting, the first round of shot, pop, pop, pop, i thought i was dead. second round of shots i said if i survive i'll make sure this never happens again. now instead of just fighting to eliminate assault weapons, now you have to fight on behalf of people across the country, victims of gun violence, people who care about public safety, i have to fight to stop a company from providing a blueprint to any lunatic on this planet to kill people. it's a license to kill and a recipe for mass carnage. >> jan, explain from your perspective how this makes sense. how does it makes sense too allow people a homemade gun they can make in the privacy of their own home that is untraceable and this you can brink -- that passes through a metal detector
into stadiums on to planes, et cetera. >> well, first of all whether it makes sense or not and how we feel about it -- and brian, i'm sorry about what you had to go through, truly i am -- but feelings and whether or not it's fair is not the same thing as a right. rights are different from government-issued privileges and this is more than second amendment, this is a first amendment right issue. this guy was going to publish the blueprints. if we're going to start censoring any kind of information out there on the internet that might do irreparable harm then we have to take off web sites that are out there that teach you how to make explosive devices and bombs, web sites doing irreparable harm such as pornography, web sites that teach people how to poison other people. there's a wealth of information out there that is very dangerous on the internet. so this is a first amendment issue. on the issue of the firearms, alisyn and brian it's already against federal law to manufacture a firearm that is undetectable. but where the confusion lies is whether or not it's traceable.
>> i want to stop you for a second. you made a lot of points. hold on. making it easier. so making it easier to have one of these guns, you say it's illegal but the blueprints were online, a thousand people downloaded them. so there you go. a thousand more people making it easier to get access to the blueprints. >> no. >> a thousand people downloaded it. >> i could go to the hardware store and get the parts i need to make a shotgun. i could do that. you don't to have -- in fact, the 3d printable firearms are more complicated to make than just building your own and it's not illegal in america to manufacture your own firearm out of metals in your home and not have it registered. it's illegal to make one that's undetectable by metal detectors. >> brian, when you hear her talk about that that this is a right, this is a first amendment right, what's your response? >> that's the problem with our
society. the first amendment doesn't give you the right to break the law. the federal law currently says that you can't make plastic guns without serial numbers. so you're not protected by the first amendment. the second thing is, instead of president trump calling the nra, guess that? give me a kale and give victims across this country a phone call who have dodged bullets from assault weapons and find out how they feel about it before you propagate this recipe for mass disaster. do you know that on their web site they have what's called a bz- 58. do you know what that is? it's a 17-inch-long gun, seven poun pounds. >> that's what they're giving the blueprints to? >> that's one of them. and on top of that, these bullets in these weapons are made to destroy your body when they enter your body they destroy you so this is not
acceptable in a civilized society and it's not funny. it's not funny. you go sit in a mass shooting. you go dodge bullets. you go dodge bullets -- >> what's funny is your -- >> what's funny is you sit behind your cushy chair. >> thousands of united states veterans have gone into the line of fire to defend liberty, to defend the bill of rights. >> this isn't about liberty, it's about public safety. >> our feelings are not relevant when it comes to rights. >> you're saying you don't want to deal with feelings for policy. okay. how about the fact that we have a mass shooting problem in this country? how will this help? >> not policy rights. here's the answer, alisyn. if you want -- if brian and the democrats really want to address the issue of -- >> it's not a democratic issue. >> they need to talk about the one thing no one wants to talk about which is the number of mass shootings that involve psychotropic drugs.
stephen paddock -- >> i know that you want to talk about drugs, that's where you always go. >> it's not just the nra -- >> hold on, let me pose my question to you, because it is connected to mental health. >> big pharma doesn't want to discuss it. >> jen, how does it help to have somebody mentally ill be able to print their own gun, make their own gun off a 3d printer at home? >> stephen paddock obtained his firearm legally -- >> i'm curious, this is my question. just answer this question. how does it help to be able to have a mentally ill person create their own gun at home? >> mentally ill people can create their own guns regardless of the law. >> but this makes it easier. >> no laws -- alisyn, i'm sorry you can't get this, but no law is going to stop a criminal or terrorist or crazy person -- >> i giuess we don't believe tht laws are completely ineffective. people don't believe laws never stop anything. >> look at chicago. chicago has more gun control laws, we already have over
20,000 gun control laws in america alisyn and they don't address the problem. >> how about this, you think laws don't matter, gotcha. >> paris, france, can i speak? paris france is a gun-free utopia. how many people died in that shooting because terrorists and crazy people can always get their own guns. >> and now they can print them. your last point? >> my last point is you are bypassing background check, you are bypassing mental health background checks, you are bypassing serial numbers on the guns and this is going to allow any lunatic on the planet to go in his or her own home and make a gun and carry out another mass shooting and if that happens again, jan, you i'll have blood on your hands and this government will have blood on your hands. >> on that note, i know it's very heated and there's a lot of feelings understandably on both sides. jan, brian, thank you very much for the debate.
we'll see where this goes. we're following a lot of news, let's get right to it. >> this is the first trial. this is a very important step. >> the defense team saying rick gates was all to blame. >> this trial centers on matters that have nothing to do with the campaign. >> he's going to go all in for a part. he's going to be the last man defending donald trump. >> there has been no plan to reunite these children. it amounts to child abuse. >> the best way to describe them is to be more like a summer camp. >> you know what the difference is between summer camp and this? you go home to your parents after summer camp. a federal judge blocked the release of software to print 3d guns. >> there are 200,000 down loads. the speech is protected by the first amendment. >> the risk of public safety is hard to overstate. >> announcer: this is "new day" with alisyn camerota and john