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>> the president says he never told comey that he should go easy on flynn. comey says the president did. he put it in his memo. if he testifies to that under oath instead of this being a dispute they can say it is perjury if they elect to believe comey instead of trump. >> so why would robert mueller think the president asked comey to go easy on flynn? not only did comey testify to this under oath, but just last month giuliani himself said that is exactly what the president did. >> how is he a good witness for the president if he is saying that the president was directing him in his words to let the michael flynn investigation go? >> he didn't direct him to do that. >> comey says he took it as direction. >> taking it that way. by that time he had been fired and said a lot of other things some of which turned out to be true. the reality is as a prosecutor i was told that many times.
can you give the man a break either by his lawyers, relatives, friends? you take that into consideration. that doesn't determine not going forward with it. >> you heard that, right? giuliani clearly saying last month the president asked comey to give flynn a break. today claiming the president never said such a thing. let's go live to cnn white house correspondent boris sanchez in new jersey where the president is spending the weekend. how is the legal team explaining this reversal? >> reporter: rudy giuliani maintains that this is not a contradiction. he is apologizing for confusion that he says he created by using a divice in legal known as arguing in the affirmative. he is suggesting that he didn't mean to say the conversation went in that direction. he says the conversation never took place though he didn't say that in the abc interview. i want you to watch what
giuliani says after jake tapper confronted him with that sound byte that you played on "state of the union" earlier today. >> you said that. >> i said it but i also said before that i'm talking about their version of it. lawyers argue in the alternative. i know it is complicated. we have been over it long enough that -- why would i say something that isn't true? the president didn't say to him go easy on flynn or anything about flynn. he is saying that. i'm talking about their alternative. i'm saying the conversation never took place. but if it did take place and here is a conversation that is alleged it is not illegal to have said that. >> of course, this is not the first time that the president and his legal team have had to clarify and reclarify their positions on certain events that have taken place in the past.
we are watching the facts develop. ultimately this is part of the reason that the legal team does not want president trump to testify before robert mueller. they believe that the special counsel is trying to set a perjury trap by asking questions about what the president said to former fbi director james comey and why the president fired him. >> boris sanchez, thank you. joining us now cnn legal commentator jim shulz and cnn legal analyst and former federal prosecutor. so does giuliani's explanation make sense that he was answering in the alternative? >> sure doesn't sound like what he was saying on that abc clip. i have to tell you i was on set on new day when allison interviewed mr. giuliani. it really seemed like he was winging it. he just was kind of rambling on and coming up with answers as he went along. it is really unusual. if an attorney at my law firm or
other attorneys i know were going to appear on cnn to represent a client they would be very prepared and careful and cautious and very precise about what they said. i think at the end of an interview with one of those attorneys you would be wondering did i hear him or her say anything? mr. giuliani seems to speak off the cuff a lot. it can hurt the client quite a bit because all of us are looking for clues as to what actually the president said and did and taking his word seriously. i don't understand the legal strategy here at all. >> i want to get giuliani's words correct before you respond. listen one more time to what he said just last month. >> how is he a good witness for the president if he is saying that the president was directing him in his words to let the michael flynn investigation go? >> he didn't direct him to do that. what he said -- >> he clearly says trump asks comey to give flynn a break.
when that comment made headlines giuliani didn't issue any kind of corrections or clarifications. >> look, giuliani does not speak precisely sometimes. that's what happens from time to time. we have seen that throughout this process. in legal terms lawyers use the term arguendo for arguments sake meaning we are going to assume that what the other side is arguing is correct or the facts that they are putting forth are correct. and then we will argue and say even though their facts are correct and assuming they are correct this is something that the law provides is okay. it seems that's what giuliani is doing here and now and being more precise about it this time. again, it's very, very important that when the president's
lawyers on television, that the president's lawyer is getting it right in terms of what the president said and portraying it the right way. here i think it may have been a little sloppy. it may have been a little imprecise saying my client did not say this and that there is an issue of fact between the president's account and the account of james comey. >> i don't understand why he wouldn't have issued that clarification initially after he made the comment that made headlines a month ago which we played the ones on abc news. it is kind of reminiscent of the changing stories regarding stormy daniels and the hush money agreement. at first there was no agreement and then the president paid it back. why have the changing narrative at all? is it meant to confuse the
public? >> look, you will have to ask rudy giuliani that question. he is the president's lawyer in this case. but i have to tell you, they need to do a better job of when they are talking about facts, specifically facts, things that the president said, they have to get them right the first time. >> when it comes to this specific issue of whether trump asked this of comey how do you think it plays in mueller's obstruction of justice investigation? >> i think it is huge. we have listened to that clip a few times. mr. giuliani says it was common for people to tell me when i was a prosecutor to let someone go to take it easy on them. the example he uses are of the defend defendants and families and lawyers. it is normal for a person's lawyer to ask you to take it easy on them. it is not normal for someone
above you in the chain of command to ask you to take it easy on someone. that is corrupt. we can have whatever debate about the legality of it. anyone at home realizes it is corrupt to tell a subordinate when you are heading up or in charge of a law enforcement arm of the government to let someone go or take it easy on somebody. there is clearly a difference there. that is why it is relevant to bob mueller and it will be discussed at length in the report that mueller sends to congress. >> can i ask you about the strategy of the trump team? on friday giuliani and the president's other attorney hosted sean hannity's radio show and talked about the investigation about their strategy. here is a short clip. >> a lot of people interpret it this way, if he is telling the truth why wouldn't he testify? welcome to the real world. the reason you have to worry about it is we are giving away
prerogatives of the president. we are walking him into a possible perjury trap not because he isn't telling the truth but because somebody else isn't telling the truth. >> why would you submit any client let alone the president of the united states to this kind of situation? >> if you were still in the white house would you approve of this very public strategy? >> look, these are the president's private lawyers and not lawyers that are sitting in the white house. i have to tell you i think that the negotiating of the scope, the negotiating of the time and limiting it to issues other than obstruction is a smart one because there are a number of accounts. we heard that james comey has his story. we heard the president has his story. that was the subject of the discussion with rudy giuliani today. there was a real concern about that. there is also concern that the president will want to go in and convince bob mueller that he
didn't do anything wrong. it's tough -- the president is sometimes very tough to control in terms of what he says at times. so all we have to do is look at the twitter handle. i just don't think -- i think the strategy is a sound one to limit the time and scope. even if the president's personality wasn't what it is that would be the same strategy. that was the same strategy limiting the time and duration and the place of the interviewing of the chief executive at that time. it is right. there are executive privilege issues here. there are a number of issues that are constitutional that relate to the article powers of the president. i think there are some real legal issues that could end up before the united states supreme court here and they are fryitry
to come to reasonable dpreeagre. >> got to give jim the last word. thank you guys. always good to have you on the show and appreciate your expertise and perspective. in washington, d.c. white supremacists had a plan rsh gather, march to the white house and spread their message of hate. it didn't work out that way. only a handful of white supremacists showed up today and they ran right into a wall of counter protesters who let them know that their hateful attitudes were not welcome. the white supremacists made a couple of speeches and then disappeared. this occasion is the one year mark since the violent white power rallies in charlottesville, virginia. a young woman died during those rallies. today her mother saw people use her daughter's name as part of
their protests. >> the group who was confronting police used heather's name. they chanted her name. i wasn't real appreciative of that. it is what it is. >> what is your message to people who do that? >> i don't know that i have one. heather is sort of public property in a way. they weren't defaming her. they weren't using her name to support violence. i'm glad it calmed down. >> that was susan bro sharing her thoughts on the death of her daughter. former trump aid omarosa promotes her tell all book by
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of staff of the united states under the direction of the president of the united states threatening me and things getting ugly for me. that is down right criminal. if i didn't have these recordings no one in america would believe me, no one. >> joining us now is cnn media corresponde correspondent. in response to these recordings white house press secretary sarah huckabee sanders said this shows a blatant disregard for our national security. and then to brag about it on national television further proves the lack of character and integrity of this disgruntled former white house employee. the president promised he would hire only the best people. omarosa built her reputation on being the villain. should he be surprised?
>> she is the bold faced example of a reality tv style presidency. i think if we think what is the season finale of this i think we would end up somewhere around here. i'm surprised by the tapes but i'm not surprised she has written the book. this is the first kind of tell all we have seen. think that is why this book is a big deal. her credibility is lacking. her whole persona is about being a lying reality show back stabbing villain. at the same time this is a tell all. some details have been corroborated from the book. she is calling her former boss a racist and saying he has -- that is a big deal even though some details are ridiculous. when it comes to tapes she is not the only person in trump's orbit to have tapes. >> omarosa was pressed about
making this recordings. listen to her response. >> i protected myself because this is a white house where everybody lies. the president lies to the american people. sarah huckabee sanders stands in front of the country and lies every day. you have to have your own back because otherwise you will look back and see 17 knives in your back. >> omarosa is now the second person to record trump without his knowledge. his former attorney michael cohen was the other one. what does that say? could there be more recordings from there from inside the inner circle? >> there certainly could. omarosa and her publisher had been teasing that she has tapes to back up at least some of what she claims and writes in her book. as we reported those tapes are plad on her smart phone do
include president trump's voice. according to at least one person we spoke to who had heard at least one recording that omarosa had clandestinely made of president trump, so far what we know of in terms of the tapes of the president are every day conversation, nothing as surprising as what showed up in the tape michael cohen gave to cnn a couple of weeks ago. but in terms of omarosa's attitude towards trump and his administration today i think it is worth noting over and over again during the ongoing reporting of her current media tour that if there was any evidence that she had any problem with president trump who she is now deploring at this total racist and bigot during her time in the administration she did not show it to a single person. she went out of her way to tell
anyone how much she loved the president and she was one of the few people in his inner circle who could be counted on not to stab him in the back and how much president trump loved her. her tune dramatically changed as of post december 2017 after she was ousted from the white house. but your viewers can take that to mean whatever they feel. >> i think it is good that you point that out. it does speak to her credibility. you mentioned there are some basic mistakes that have already been identified in this book. we have seen now a number of denials from people who she says she is quoting or referencing some kind of conversation. what more can you tell us about that? >> there are examples who say my name is in the book, but what she is saying about me never happened. that speaks to a lack of fact checking by the publisher. maybe this book was rushed out in ways.
fire and fury became a best seller when the president attacked michael wolf. there hasn't been as much interest in omarosa's book. i think that speaks to the fact that a lot of people don't find her credible. "washington post" said that the details on the tapes matched the details in the book. so there is some evidence that some of what she is saying has some bearing. no matter what you think of omarosa she spent a year in the white house. she spent a year there right along side the president. she was the highest ranking black employee in the white house. for her to turn on him in this way is absolutely stunning. >> there is also this $15,000 a month contract she says that she was offered by the trump campaign to stay quiet about her time in the white house. today counselor to the president kellyanne conway pushed back on the idea that this is unusual. here she is. >> it is typical and you know
it -- to sign an nda in any place of work. i'm told she signed them when she was on the apprentice and at the campaign. why not have somebody -- >> you signed a nondisclosure? >> we have confidentiality agreements in the west wing, absolutely we do. >> what is your reaction to that? >> i'll be very fair to kellyanne conway. it is very common place for people in trump world. i'll leave it at that. >> we also heard about $15,000 a month payment that his former body guard who became an aid as well in the white house keith schiller was continuing to make. that stood out to me when she said that. >> he is being paid the same amount she was offered. >> thank you very much. good to have your input on this.
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new developments in the crash of a plane stolen from the seattle tacoma international airport. the ntsb says it has recovered the flight data recover from the site where the plane went down friday night. 29-year-old richard russell performed mid air stunts before he crashed outside seattle about an hour after takeoff.
officials believe russell was the only person killed. family members say they are stunned and heart broken by what has happened. kim law is near the crash site. what is the latest on the investigation? >> reporter: the latest information that we are getting is from the ntsb. the investigators have recovered the flight data recorder. that has been wrapped up. it will be sent to washington, d.c. tomorrow. they intend to begin analysis to fill in the blanks about what happened in the plane. they have not been able to recover the cockpit voice recorder. the plane went through a heavily wooded area and it hit a lot of trees. so when it crashed into the ground the ntsb says it basically smashed into smithereens. there is almost nothing left that looks like a plane except for one wing section. they are not incredibly optimistic about finding the cockpit voice recorder. a lot of it did play out so
publically. people did get to see the plane and heard exchanges between russell and atc here in seattle. many of the movements at the very end throughout this extraordinary scene that played out here, that is already known, a lot of questions about how to prevent this from happening again. >> you wonder what if there were any red flags. what is russell's family saying as we are starting to hear reaction from them? >> that is another key part of the investigation. was there something that people missed? was there a sign that someone could have seen? we spoke to co workers who said they didn't see anything. his family came forward with a statement saying they did not see any outward signs of mental illness. they simply didn't see it. here is what they say.
>> may seem difficult for those watching at home to believe but he was a warm, compassionate man. as the voice recordings show his intent was not to harm anyone. he was right in saying that there are so many people who have loved him. >> the family saying that they are going to take a hard look at themselves just as the airline industry is also going to re-evaluate everything it has done. >> thank you. imagine if your son or daughter were forced to practice until they passed out or until they lost their life? a new bombshell report detailing allegations of a toxic culture at the university of maryland as the school's head football coach gets benched. casual sharing can spread meningococcal meningitis.
the university of maryland has placed its head football coach on administrative leave. an investigation has been launched into allegations of player abuse. it all stems from a bombshell report by espn describing a toxic culture of fear and intimidation under coach dj dirken. one player says he was forced to eat until he vauomited. another player was allegedly mocked after passing out. and then jordan mcnair died of heat stroke two weeks after collapsing during an outdoor workout. his body temperature reportedly reached 106 degrees. athletic director released a statement saying the safety and well being of our student athletes is our highest priority.
these alleged behaviors are not consistent with the values i expect all of our staff to adhere to and we must do better. joining us now cnn sports analyst christine brennan. thanks for joining us. this is a disturbing case. it's a disturbing allegation that is being made. we know three other members of the athletic staff have been placed on leave. what more do we know about this alleged culture of bullying? >> reporter: it's terribly troubling and it did take a media report. it was espn that broke this bombshell story the last couple of days. jordan mcnair, the 19 year old who died with the 106 degree body temperature and allegations that he was staggering and falling and couldn't complete the drill because it was so hot and yet that story, of course, that happened and he died in june. the actual event happened may 29.
so it took a media report for a university in this country of ours to be interested enough in what happened in why a young man, a student athlete died to start to investigate it. i think that is one of the many troubling stories here is this culture of football especially that is just so set apart from what we would call the normal student culture at a university that i think is a window into a world that is troubling. my sense is the coach will not survive this nor should he. i think it is an eye opener for many people who love college football as the sport is about to begin again. >> has the head coach said anything about the allegations against him? >> he has not. he has been placed on administrative leave. the only people doing the talking are the university president and the athletic director. they just called upon another outside investigation so there
will be two different investigations of this. this has been basically two months since this young man died and now they are concerned about it. again, at this point we haven't heard from the coach. the allegations are that he basically ruled by fear and intimidation, obviously something that is incredibly troubling for anyone for 18 to 22, 23-year-old student athletes is disturbing. the nfl, there have been notable anthem protests whether players taking a knee, some raising a fist, others staying off the field. is the nfl any closer to some kind of agreed upon policy on this? >> i don't think so. although i would say this is all self-induced by the national football league. the story had died down. the nfl owners a couple of months ago decided to come up with a policy saying you must
stand if you wanted to not stand you would go into the locker room and stay there during the national anthem. that ratcheted it all up again. they had to pull back from that statement in july. we have a big mess. as the season is approaching this is the last thing the nfl wanted. the nfl especially a lot of these owners who have been supportive of president trump the president ratcheted it back up last september with his s.o.b. comments in lalabama. you can look at the president and owners creating a problem. if they had just let it go away it would have died out and no one would be thinking about it. because of these moments with the president and with the owners the players have not been consulted and i think they are concerned and it is understandable on their side. i think we are in for quite a long story. >> do you see an increase or decrease in the protests among the athletes?
>> we know with the am imidomia dolphins two players took a knee. for those people who say i just want my football, just give mean sports, you should talk to the president of the united states about that. this thing was no longer an issue. colin kaepernick is out of the league and not speaking when the president decided to come back and deal with this last september. we have been talking about it ever since. >> good to have you. thank you so much. >> thank you. it was the presidential race that ended in a shocking upset. not that one, we are going to go back to 2008 when a little known senator from illinois defeated a former first lady. a preview of the new episode of "the 2000s" is next. from any one else. why accept it from your allergy pills? flonase sensimist relieves all your worst symptoms, including nasal congestion, which most pills don't. and all from a gentle mist you can barely feel. flonase sensimist.
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yes we can. three little words that captured the hearts and minds of voters and propelled a junior senator from illinois to the white house. on tonight's brand new episode of the 2000s we take a look back at the race of 2008. that is ten years ago when barack obama defied the odds and defeated hillary clinton for the democratic nomination. >> we were as far as 30 points behind in the national polls. our view was if we didn't win the first primary in iowa there would be no chance to win the nomination. so he spent more than 80 days there in 2007 meeting one-on-one and in small groups. >> are any of these people over
30? >> i'm on my way to mason city and then out and around. >> how many people are going canvassing today? it's a little brisk outside. it will be good for you. walk quick. talk fast. >> it's time that we moved from sound bytes to sound solutions. >> we continue to press, keep the energy up. there is a huge momentum. >> iowa, you can make the difference. >> tomorrow night the future of the free world is riding on your shoulders. don't feel any pressure. >> joining us now, a woman who lived every second of that race. patty doyle served at hillary clinton's campaign manager and is a cnn political commentator. it is kind of fun to do the flashback. i'm curious as to what point did you begin to realize barack obama was gaining some serious
ground? >> you know, in the final months of iowa really we figured out that this man really has something. he was inching ever closer to us in the polls. we were hearing from our iowa voters. this guy has something. he is hitting everywhere. and what he really did which really took us offguard is he expanded the feel in iowa. iowa's traditional voters are white, female and older. and that is what we went after. barack obama and his team went after young people. and at the time we thought that's just ridiculous. that is never going to work. it hasn't worked before. sure enough, we were wrong and he won iowa. >> because history might tell you that it's not the young people who get out and vote. it's the older people that you can rely on at the polls. what about his message do you think really resonated with
voters enough to steer them away from a former senator, former first lady with significantly more political experience and clout? >> at the time a lot more money and a lot more traditional support, hillary had. his message just resonated. remember, it was the right after george w. bush's presidency or we had gone through an iraq war, the horrible katrina response and 9/11. people were not happy. so the message that barack obama was hope and change really resinated with the american voter. and particularly, those voters in iowa. >> after hillary clinton lost, the democratic party in 2008 you went on to work for barack obama's campaign. i almost forgot about that. working on these two historic presidential campaigns in one
election cycle. >> it's truly the privilege of my life to have a front row seat to these two incredible campaigns and to have played even the tiniest minor role in them in electing the first african-american president. at the time, hillary and barack obama fought this really, really epic battle to the finish. i don't know if you remember, but hillary fought until the very end. when et she could see that i went on to work, i was asked to work for barack obama in the general election. and her supporters did not take highly to my going over. back then there were a group ofhill are you supporters calling themselves the pumas and they were still very dedicated and committed to hillary clinton. they saw my going over as a
traitor as smooth. >> you talked about the message that resinated with voters. were we seeing the seeds of what carried president trump into office? a powerful desire to change the old guard in washington? >> look, i think what we're seeing from that '08 race and what we saw in 2016 just a couple years ago is that change is always a much more powerful me message than the status quo. particularly during a time when washington and politicians and institutions are seeing with such dismay and people are just fed up because nothing gets d e done. so i think we have learned from 2008 and 2016 going into 2020 that your status quo politician is probably not going to fair very well. >> thank you very much for
giving us that insight into what happened in that historic election cycle. we really freesappreciate it. there's much more to share and discuss and relive. the brand new episode of 2000s sairs at 9:00 p.m. eastern here on cnn. still ahead of the newsroom, jeanne moos on why people are turning on paul manafort left and right. your mornings were made for better things than rheumatoid arthritis. before you and your rheumatologist move to another treatment, ask if xeljanz xr is right for you. xeljanz xr is a once-daily pill for adults with moderate to severe ra for whom methotrexate did not work well enough it can reduce pain, swelling and further joint damage, even without methotrexate. xeljanz xr can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections, lymphoma and other cancers have happened. don't start xeljanz xr if you have an infection.
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>> in new britain, connecticut, they are not afraid to cross paul manafort or even turn on it. >> how did he get from being on trial to being on gps? or actually the late paul manafort senior was a three-term mayor of new britain. that's the word at one end of paul manafort drive. the road stretches a a mile or so alongside central connecticut state university. for those who reside on paul manafort. >> loud. >> some of manafort's jackets, think python, after his indictment last year, local motorist was driven to start a petition to change the name. >> it's just definitely not something to be proud of. >> but the mayor's chief of
staff told the hartford current they were going to leave the road the way it is. >> he was a respected man in our community. >> many of the locals didn't know manafort. >> the guy who is on trial? >> no, i didn't know about that. >> manafort drive. >> does that ring a bell? >> i don't know who he is. >> if they change the name, have you? >> that's me. i need my own street. >> then made a left on to paul manafort. for some manafort drive was a a mouth full. >> cnn, new britain, connecticut. >> jeanne moos, she's a one and
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