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weekend" with victor blackwell and christi paul. >> good sunday morning to you. president trump's white house counsel is telling his story to the mueller team. "the new york times" report says that don mcgahn has been cooperating are the mueller investigation and participating in several interviews totaling 30 hours over the last nine months. >> president trump says he, quote, allowed mcgahn to fully cooperate are the special counsel. "the times" reported that mcgahn was worried he might be president trump's fallguy, so to speak, for any potentially illegal incidents or obstruction. cnn white house reporter sarah westwood is live from new jersey where the president is spending the weekend. what are we learning further this morning? >> reporter: president trump is speaking up to downplay the significance of "the new york times" white house that don mcgahn on the obstruction of justice portion of his inquiry. the times is reporting that
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mcgahn spent 30 hours with investigators and provided potentially damaging information about the ways trump responded in private to developments in the russia probe. rudy giuliani, the president's personal attorney, is arguing that mcgahn served as a strong witness for the president. here is what he had to say about it last night. >> the reality is that the president encouraged all of the people who testified to tell the truth, to take as long as they needed to do that, and as long as they did, they had no -- they will have possess no problem with the president or us and we have no reason to believe that don mcgahn didn't do that. it's john dowd who is the president's lawyer at the time today said loudly and clearly. >> right. >> >> don mcgahn was the strongest witness for the president. meaning he completely gave testimony that said that the president didn't do anything wrong, which is the president couldn't do. he didn't do anything wrong.
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>> reporter: now mcgahn's attorney told our colleague ryan nobles that mcgahn cooperated with the special counsel because president trump declined to have executive privilege over mcgahn's testimony. the relationship between trump and his white house counsel has at times than contentious but the white house is seeking-to-downplay and dismiss the fact that this is causing any strain between trump and mcgahn. >> sarah westwood, thank you so much for the update. joining me is ross garver, cnn legal annist and errol louis who is a analyst for spectrum news. don mcgahn and his attorney, questioned, let's say, the wisdom of the white house of allowing don mcgahn to speak, thinking they should have fought it out in court. what do you make of this decision? >> look.
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it is extraordinary and very, very unusual. normally, the relationship between anybody and their lawyer is sacrosanct and it's controversy and that generally also applies to public officials as well, although there is some question about whether it applies in the -- in the grand jury context. but to allow an attorney to cooperate with federal investigators, especially the beginning of an investigation, is really extraordinary and it seems to have been motivated by the president and his legal team's desire to try to get this thing, this investigation completed, you know, very quickly, right away. and so it was this extraordinary action in allowing the white house counsel to be interviewed by the government. >> errol, listen to more from
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rudy giuliani here. >> now, the president wants to testify. the president wants to be open and transparent. otherwise, he wouldn't have encouraged 30 witnesses, including mcgahn to testify and he wouldn't have turned over 1.4 million documents. he wouldn't have not exerted executive privilege as he did. if he didn't believe that he didn't do anything wrong but he is not going to be trapped into perjury. we are not going to allow it to happen where he tells the truth, some other guy is lying, and they are going to believe like comey the guy who is lying. >> errol, let's take the two parts of that separately here. first, what about the point here that if there was something criminal, some activity to hide, why would the white house allow so many people to speak freely with the special counsel and hand over so many documents without exerting executive privilege over all of them and
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all of that? >> yeah. well, first of all, the documents that have been turned over have not always been -- or are not necessarily the ones that would yield the most information. let's start with, say, his tact return prosecuwhere the preside his money from and what he gets from overseas. putting that aside, the reality is and suggested in "the new york times" article that there was a believe by don mcgahn, himself, and his lawyer, that, perhaps, he was being sort of maneuvered into a position where the president might later turn around and say, well, look. everything i did was on the advice of the white house counsel. therefore, perhaps you should talk to him and target him and not me. that is an interesting theory but it's hard to be sure about that. what we know for sure, though, is that this is a president who has, day after day, tweet after tweet, tried to obstruct and sort of denigrate any idea the
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entire investigation. and it's really important. i mean, i'm sure, you know, as we all remember from 1974 the second of the articles of impeachment against richard nixon involved his attempts to obstruct the very investigation into him and this is something that this white house and this president has done pretty consistently for a number of months now. >> yeah. that potential exposure, ross, they were so concerned about that. mcgahn and his attorney, as "the times" reports, deviced a plan because they were so concerned. what is potentially mcgahn's legal exposure here? >> yes. in terms of, you know, that notion that mcgahn was worried about something, you know, i suspect that that was because this move of allowing mcgahn to provide all of this information to cooperate with investigators was so unusual. they were trying to explain to themselves why the president's team would allow this. in terms of exposure, you know,
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anybody who talks to federal investigators, even if they are not under oath, they have to tell the truth or it can be a crime. and so there is that issue. assuming he told the trunth, he doesn't have that to worry about and assuming he wasn't involved in any other criminal activity, doesn't have that to worry about ir either. the big implication, i think is the fact he was able to provide all of this information and what it means going forward in terms of waiver of the executive privilege and even the attorney-client privilege. >> we talk about moving forward, errol. mueller's team has now spoken with mcgahn several times. they have interviewed hope hicks and reince priebus and sean spicer and other members of the team in the white house. does it make the interview with the president any less urgent? >> i don't know about urgent. but it certainly is relevant. it certainly is important.
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let's keep in mind, you know, this special counsel has also indicted 26 russian internationals, including several corporations alleged. criminal activity. the question whether this is a witch hunt is behind us and clearly there is something there. they have indicted the nationals and the white house have made no move to get them extradited and figure out what the heck is going on. the president, himself, though, if he were to narrow the question as his president and his counsel seem to do each time they have the opportunity whether the president has something to hide or whether the president knew the full range what was clearly some wrongdoing that went on here, well, yeah, sure. maybe he gets out of it somehow. i suppose. but, you know, one of the most important of the fact checkers has estimated that the president tells something like seven highly misleading or untrue things every single day. if that is the case, he had
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better make sure that the day he talks with the special counsel, if he does, is not one of those days. >> yeah, "the washington post" fact checker blog has the president's false claims and misleading claims appear 4,229 for the first 558 days of his administration. errol louis and ross grabarber, thank you both. on "state of the union" with jake tapper michael hayden and james clapper will be a guest. that is "state of the union" with jake tapper today at 9:00 eastern right here on cnn. pope francis is delivering his sunday prayer today and a lot of people are watching what he may or may not say about abuse allegations that are clouding the catholic church. this, of course, after a disturbing report from the grand jury regarding six catholic
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happening right now at st. peters square. pope francis is delivering a pray prayer. a shocking grand jury reported alleged decades of rampant child abuse and massive cover-ups throughout the pennsylvania diocese. >> also reports of alleged abuse have apparently spread to other continents including australia and latin america. the pope issued a statement regarding the u.s. grand jury report calling the allegations, quote, criminal and morally reprehensible. >> rome "daily beast" reporter is barbie who is in rome.
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will the pope take another step forward today in addressing this scandal? do we know? barbie, can you hear me? all right. we will get back to her and fix that audio problem. >> we sure will. we want to go to pittsburgh and pablo sandoval is there. this report coming out of pennsylvania. i know you're getting reaction from the catholic bishop to this latest sex abuse scandal. what is he saying? >> reporter: i tell you what, people here in pittsburgh are certainly talking about this report even days after it was issued. after all, about 99 of those ruffle 300 priests were from this diocese mentioned in that grand jury report. yesterday we saw that from the clergy to the congregation they are making this a part of the conversation. the priest on the mass we attended to yesterday said they should focus on their faith and
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gospel before they focus on the institution has that the flaws and caught amidst the crisis here. the church goers they feel the church is shaken to its core. one woman understand more than an apology she has been hearing from the pittsburgh diocese to the vatican. she wants a full admission what is decades of covering up this kind of behavior and same thing the victims want as well. >> i've been doing this 13 years being public about my abuse and trying to advocate for other but i've heard nothing but empty promises and words. i want action. they are apologizing only because they have been caught and exposed. they did not willingly do this, i'm not buying that. the pope needs to step up entake control of his church. >> reporter: so david is the head of the diocese here in pittsburgh, what does he have to
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say? he has written an extensive letter to followers here in the pittsburgh area. i want to read you a small portion of the statement that he released in the days following the release of the report. he basically said that the church cannot keep its head in the sand. he specifically said the following. that is from the head of the catholic church in the pittsburgh area. the bishop outlining various changes have been instituted and not the last decades but the last several days following this report. the bishop saying they are in the process of publishing a full list of the clergy members who vv who have been accused of these allegations and seeking outside help to do. the first sunday services, the question is -- will people here
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say if that is enough? >> good question. polo sandoval, thank you. let's go back to roam and cnn contributor barbie dubow. what are we expecting from the pope today' taking another step forward in addressing this scandal? >> well, the pope just finished his sunday message and he did not mention the victims in pennsylvania or the sex abuse scandal and a disappointment as people were hoping he would use this opportunity to offer some sort of prayer. the statement the vatican gave on thursday is going to have to stand. a statement in which they used words like criminal and accountability and some of the things that victims' groups want to hear. now, of course, they will wait for some action. is he going to demand any resignations of those explicit bishops or cardinals in the united states? is he going to do anything and make those words count and turn them into action? that is next for them.
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>> barbie nadeau, we appreciate. thank you. the suspect in last week's vehicle attack outside the british parliament is set to appear in court tomorrow. prosecutors have charged this man sa lleh cutter. according to police he drove his car into police officers and rammed it into barriers and police are treating this as terrorism. cnn's brian stelter sat down with ceo jack dorsey about this alleged censorship. that is coming up. alright, i brought in new max protein
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♪ ♪ ♪ olly. president trump slammed social media for discriminating against conservative voices saying that is totally discriminating against voices speaking loudly and clear for the trump administration. we won't let that happen. they are closing down the opinions of many people on the right while, at the same time, doing nothing to others. he did not name any specific social media platforms but the remarks came shortly after twitter suspended the account of info wars host alex jones for hateful rhetoric. be reminded this is not the
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first time twitter is called out by the president. last month, president trump blamed the media outlet for shadow banning prominent republicans and that is a practice that makes it harder for users to find a certain person and posts on a platform and they basically become invisible. cnn's brian stelter sat down with the twitter's ceo jack dorsey and asks fountain company does, in fact, shadow ban. >> reporter: the president called you out for shadow pan i -- banning. what is the truth around that idea? >> i think a lot of the statements and the question behind the question is, look. shadow banning is a very widely defined term. there is not one single definition. so the definition that we found that seems to resonate with the most people is, you know, not amplifying particular messages or if someone puts out a tweet hiding that tweet from everyone without that person who tweeted
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is knowing about it. so -- but the real question behind the question is are we doing something according to political ideology or viewpoints and we are not, period. we did not look at opinions with regard to political viewpoint and we look at behavior. we use that behavior to add to rev relevance. we need to show we are not adding our own bias which i fully admit is left leaning and i think it's important to articulate our bias and to share it with people so that people understand us, but we need to remove all bias from how we act and our policies and our enforcement. >> reporter: people have these assumptions you're out to get them or something. >> which is why transparency matters so much and which is why being open about our own
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personal views and what we think about what is happening is important. i'll fully admit i haven't done enough of that and articulating my own personal objectives with the service and my own personal objectives with the world and i think people see a faceless corporation that they don't april assume that humans are in it, you know, or that they are genuine or authentic. they just assumed based on what the occupant is and that is on us and that is on me. >> facebook, apple, and youtube have also recently removed some of jones' content that was found to be in violation of their platform's policies. there is mounting legal battles looming for the info wars host alex jones. there are attorneys representing the father of a 6-year-old book, a sandy hook shooting victim who died saying jones destroyed evidence relating to their defamation lawsuit against them and one of three lawsuits brought by victims' families
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against jones. jones had the falsely theory that sandy hook shooting was a hoax carried out by actors. oliver darcy joins us now. we just heard there the president is claiming there is some sort of censorship going on and we heard from twitter. is there censorship happening? >> you know, there is a lot of news going on around alex jones. regarding twitter and whether this is happening with conservatives, i don't think you're going to see that. i think that that has been a thing that conservatives have claimed for a long time but there has been really little evidence to indicate that there are being censored on social media platforms. the social media platform remove content in violation of their policies and a lot of times that does affect conservatives but that is far different from them -- these corporations removing and censoring content, specifically discriminating against conservatives. related to alex jones, though, he is facing a lot of legal
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trouble these days. on friday, the sandy hook parent or a lawyer representing one of the sandy hook parents filed a legal motion effectively saying that alex jones had destroyed evidence related to the sandy hook trial. he said in the motion specifically info wars deleted critical evidence. so what happened there is info wars came under pressure from twitter and jackie dorsey, ceo of twitter, had said that info wars had not violated any policies on the platform. cnn investigation found that info wars had violated a number of policies, but that -- including stuff with alex jones and sandy hook, and so alex jones instructed the staff to
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delete those -- those tweets related to the sandy hook conspiracy theory he had reported so long. after he did that, now they are being accused of destroying evidence related to the sandy hook conspiracy theory. it's kind of confusing. >> alex jones on his program apparently said that his staff deleted the tweets in order to, quote, take the super high road. what does that mean? >> he basically was going to be forced by twitter to delete these tweets. so he go to out in front of it and i think he was trying to avoid being suspended, which he ultimately ended up being suspended but trying to avoid disciplinary action from twitter and told his staff to delete the tweets. >> if they were deleted do we know what it means for the lawsuits? >> i'm not a lawyer. i don't think you're allowed to delete evidence related to a lawsuit. the attorneys want fees associated with this matter and
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i think they are are probably going to try to recover this evidence but the fees could be in the hundreds of thousands of dollars so very bad news for alex jones. he has already seen the social media empire crumble and now facing more litigation related to the sandy hook conspiracy theory. i don't think he wants any of this. >> is there any indication how strong info wars is, whether they can fight this battle and survive it? >> i'm sorry. what was that? >> is there any indication of how strong info wars is internally in terms of its advertising, in terms of as a whole? you know? it's entity. can they fight this and survive it? >> it's not entirely clear how much rven the company makes or their internal financial dynamics. they keep that pretty close to the vest but they have seen a lot of of their flninfrastructu for distributing their material crumble the last couple of weeks. they lost facebook, they lost apple, they lost youtube. they are currently on a suspension from twitter. so i imagine it's more difficult
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for the company to making money now than it was, let's say, one month ago. whether they can survive these lawsuits, i don't know. i think that it is certainly spelling trouble for them and it could present some serious danger to the company. >> all righty. oliver darcy, good to see you. thank you. >> thank you. up next, families divided decades ago by the korean war prepare for these really emotional long-awaited reunions in north korea. we meet one mother who has waited 68 years to see her son again. her story is next. the first person to survive alzheimer's disease is out there. and the alzheimer's association is going to make it happen by funding scientific breakthroughs, advancing public policy, and providing local support to those living with the disease and their caregivers. but we won't get there without you.
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ready to see their family members for the first time in decades. 93 people will cross into north korea on monday with a short reunion with their loved ones. >> thousands of family were separate by the korean war and haven't seen their relatively in nearly 89 years. they were chosen lottery. one is seeing her family is this woman who has not held her son in 68 years. as the korean war broke out, lee and her daughter were separated from her husband and son in the chaos and never saw them again. cnn international correspondent paula hancocks has their story. >> reporter: lee is 92 and oblivious to the crowds in this seoul shopping center and has an outfit to buy for a very special occasion. on monday, lee will meet her son for the first time in 68 years. lee and her husband were among
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many north koreans who fled south as the korean war took hold in 1950 and recalls walking for days carry her 1-year-old daughter and her husband carrying her son and left the road to breastfeed her baby and slipped and sprung her ankle and when she returned she couldn't find her husband. [ speaking in foreign language ] >> reporter: as the fighting caught up with them, lee had to take a train and a ship and wait in south korea for her husband and son to catch up. they never did. [ speaking in foreign language ] >> reporter: lee is one of
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screenance who will be reunited with people they haven't seen in decades. this happened when the only two koreas was good and the last one three years ago. it was a high-controlled three days in north korea. [ speaking in foreign language ] >> reporter: chung is still waiting and one of thousands who are wondering if their chance will ever come. he is 85. his two brothers, one older and one younger, did not manage to escape the war during the war. he has heard nothing about them since.
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president trump uses the press and used the terms enemy and fake news. opposition party. newspapers fought back. more than 400 editorial pages addressed mr. trump addressing journalism but not about retribution. the day the editorials ran there was a bomb threat at the boston globe, the paper that organized that really call. good morning, gentlemen. alex, let me start with you. who is the audience for this? as we saw and talk about it in a moment, it didn't change the president's mind. have you changed any minds? who are you speaking to directly? >> listen. we are not going to change the president's mind. he has made his political project, you know, central to that criticizing the press. but, listen. our audience was the american
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people and i think that we have reached -- we have reached them. 400 newspapers across the country reached out and talked about the importance of the work that they do, the journalism day in and day out, and, listen. they have responded to this call of this rhetoric about the enemy of the people and it really resonates with them. the majority of journalism in this country couldn't work for the cnn or "the boston globe" and work for weekly or small newspapers around this country and cover selectmen meeting and school boards. this rhetoric really resonates with them, to be declared of domestic threat is something that really threatens their livelihood and is deeply alarming to the work that they do. >> that is the editorial perspective. let me go to reporter perspective and you, brian. how do you determine if this effort has been successful? how do you measure it? >> i think there are a number of ways to do that chg through polling. right now the polling is rather
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oblique. you look at a recent quinnipiac poll that shows 26% of americans will go with that enemy language instead of saying the press is an important part of democracy. now 26%? we could say that sounds like a pretty positive number. but if you break it down into republicans and democrats, half of republicans, 51%, side with that enly language. so essentially what they are doing is they are saying i agree with the president there. they are saying the press is not a strong part of democracy. that 1e% number is going to be a problem that is going to be with us our country a long time. it's going to last long after president trump is in office, this idea that the press is out to get the public, it's out to hurt the public. it's an idea that has been there a while but president trump has fired it up and created a lot more tension around it and created a lot more anger toward the press. 51% number of republicans who say the press is the enemy, hopefully we can see over time are the numbers go down and one
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way to measure. i think important to see the part of editorial pages not the newsrooms but the opinion people, the editorials to say this is not important. >> which is important to have both of you there and create this distinction as we have this conversation. alex, more than 400 newspapers involved in this effort but the "los angeles times" has not one of them. here is what their justification came down top. a couple of sentences here. the idea to protest seems to encourage that kind of conspiracy thinking by the president and his loyalists. why give them that ammunition to scream about collusion? did you do that? ." collusion is maybe something you do in secret maybe in trump tower. this conversation was evident from the get-go and what we were up to. we didn't publish the same exact editorial. what is remarkable about this project each of these
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newspapers, in their own words, talked about the importance of the free press. and i would would just say to what brian is talking about. listen. it's one thing for the american people to sour on the press. it's sort of come and gone in waves over the years. the important distinction here is for the president of the united states to be declaring the press a domestic threat is going to resonate very differently and anchor and in moscow and in beijing and all of the places where journalists are very, you know, in a very tough situation around the world. and, you know, the importance of journalism in a free and self-governing democratic republic is very important and can't be understated. >> brian, back to you here. the president tweeted, i'll put this up. i don't know what he meant by "prove it." i don't know if anyone does. to you, brian. we actually have seen in the form of television, stations across the country, working off the exact same script. deadspin put the video together
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of the sinclair stations reading that statement that was put out by the ownership there and we are showing some of that video, i think march of this year. but is this a good thing to have the coordination? we won't use the word collusion but the coordination of so much media going after this same point no matter which side of the coin you're on? >> i'll say there is a lot of coordination between president trump and his allies attacking the press and hate movement in america to tear down a free press and discredit any source of information unapproved by president trump. that hate movement is mostly not working. the quinnipiac poll, go to that is not working but in the public especially among trump's base so a lot of coordination between the sean hannity's of the world and the president trump's. i think it makes journalists to try to figure out a way to respond, not to be against trump, but to be supportedive of the press. i think what is interesting about what is happening right
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now in newsrooms is that we are trying to figure out a way to communicate to the public why we do what we do and why it's worthwhile. there is a defense going on and also an offense going on and it's not anti-trump. it's pro-truth. this issue is going to be with us well after president trump is in office. that is the way i see it. i love the line in one of the local paper that said we are not the enemy, we are the people. but it is easier to forget that when you're just reading the paper and you don't know who is writing the stories or you're watching tv and you don't know who is in charge. we have to do a better job explaining our jobs and i think why the editorials were worthwhile. >> alex, was this a single day, single event? or will there be a sustained effort? >> listen. we come to work every day defending the constitution and the work that we do in the free press. listen. there was a time when newspapers standing up for the right of the free press was neither controversial nor newsworthy and the fact it is both sort of shows us where we are today. >> alex and brian, thank you
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both. tune in for "reliable sources." brian will be talking to ceo jack dorsey on cnn at 11:00 a.m. in case the message didn't get through yet. we have another reminder. why you don't leave food in your car! especially if you're parked in bear country! justin bieber is the first of the youtube kids and using the new tools of the internet to really do an end run around the traditional industry. ♪ i was like baby baby baby >> 2000s the music industry was undergoing a massive shift with all of the technological change and the fact that the price of music had effectively been ground down to zero.
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in india, monsoon rains and heavy flooding have killed hundreds of people and forced thousands to leave their homes. watch this wall of mud rushing down the hillside and taking away everything in its path. torrential rains in southern cuba caused the worst flooding in nearly a century. >> you hope the guy taking that is okay because it was coming at him. these images were taken by cnn. a complete flooded community there. the government estimates the flood may have resulted in 2.7 billion in damages. here is something that we don't see every day. delicate rescue operation caught on dash cam. sheriff's office in el dorado
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county, california, got a call about a bear trapped in the parked silver car you see on the right. take a look at this. >> we will try to get him out. he is not happy. i will try to break out the back window with a bean bag. a bear can't open unlocked doors but they can climb out of windows that are broken. remove food from your car and lock it, especially when you're in bear don mcgahn sat down for a
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series of interviews with robert mueller. >> to say this is unusual would be an understatement. >> the president encouraged all of the people who testified to tell the truth. >> a lot that don mcgahn knows about the last year and a half of the trump administration. >> the mueller team is panicking. there was no collusion and no obstruction. they can't prove it and they are trying to get the president to testify. ♪ >> announcer: this is "new day weekend" with victor blackwell and christi paul. glad you're awake and bus this morning. i'm christi paul. thanks for being here. let's talk about president trump because he says, look. there is nothing to see here, after a "the new york times" report that white house counsel don mcgahn has been cooperating


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