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know something that they didn't know a little bit better. that's what we all should do to understand the world better. that's what everybody needs. everybody needs that. just understand better. and i think we can bridge better. and i want that so, so much. >> thank you so much. and again, congratulations. >> thank you. we continue on. i'm brooke baldwin. you are watching cnn. thank you for being with me. we start with the president, a new tirade against special counsel robert mueller. today he called the team of prosecutors, quote, thugs. also claiming the man leading the russia investigation is disgraced and discredited. this as a key question lms for trump, what did white house counsel don mcgahn tell mueller's team in nearly 30 hours of interviews? cnn learned trump's personal
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lawyers were not given a full accounting of what mr. mcgahn said. we start with caitlyn collins. let's start with the connection, the communication, or perhaps lack thereof, between trump's personal legal team and the white house counsel, don mcgahn. what do you know? >> brooke we are seeing how they are still scrambling to find out what it was that don mcgahn said during these 30 hours that he sat down with investigators from robert mueller's team. it's pretty clear they don't know a lot. we heard from rudy giuliani who is the president's lead attorney on the president's outside legal team handling this russia probe saying he is relying on what john dowd told him. esque on the president's legal team last year but left the team five months ago. hasn't been around in five months yet that is the person that jaul joule is relying on for his information that he is essentially getting secondhand here, brooke.
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we are seeing them scramble to find out what it was that says since no one on the president's counsel team debrief don mcgahn about what he said. the president questioning why mcgahn had to sit down for 30 hours? two things. mcgan has been at center of a lot of things that mueller is looking into, including trying to fire mueller last summer. something he instructed don mcgahn to do and he refused to do. and people sometimes confuse and blur the line of what mcgahn's role is here. he is the white house counsel, which means he is representing the presidency not the president. but sources tell me the president sometimes confuses those two and often thinks that don mcgahn is abilitying as his own attorney. two thing to note when you note that the special counsel did sit
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down with the white house counsel for 30 hours. a lot of legal experts have said that's highly unusual. >> he has attacked mueller on twitter 250 times and again, disgraced and discredited. >> that's right. he is continuing to lash out at robert mueller as he is showing frustration over this revelation about don mcgahn. we are seeing that regularly on his twitter feed. also, he is implying that the special counsel could affect the midterm election this is fall. you saw that in his twitter feed today saying it could disrupt the elections, calling his disgraced and discredited although that doesn't agree with what a cnn poll has shown which is that public faith in robert mueller's investigation increased from the last time they were surveyed n. june it was 41% approval of how robert mueller is handling the investigation. now it is 47%. of course the president calling him disgraced. on friday we heard from the president himself as he was leaving the white house to go to
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new jersey. he was saying he feels that robert mueller is conflicted saying he is close friends with the former fbi director who president trump fired james comey even though he didn't cite any evidence for why he thinks he is conflicted. clearing we are continuing to see the president try to sway public opinion that the special counsel needs to wrap thing up here. >> thank you. caroline policy with me. and paul cowen. good to see you. paul, on mcgahn cooperating with the mueller team, the motivation according to reporting seemed to be the fear of trump setting mcgahn up to take the blame for any possible wrongdoing. again, white house counsel, serving the people, not the president. so did he have any other choice but to cooperate? >> that's an interesting question because -- there is
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another thing mr. mcgahn that people aren't talking about so much he is not just white house counsel. he was counsel to the trump campaign before trump was electsed. so he's somebody who has had a close relationship with donald trump throughout the entire time period where the russia investigation is looking at particular facts. so there were a lot of good reasons that he could have been subpoenaed by mueller just on the prepresidency aspect. >> good point. >> we don't know how many of those 30 hours were about that. also, of course he knows everything that's been going on at the white house after the election. he probably is one of the most important witnesses that mueller has spoken to. >> would that also be motivation thinking all right down the road fear of how trump may characterize all of this, i want to make sure i'm on the right team or setting my record straight. >> do you know what i'm saying? >> i do know what you are saying. i think that does make a certain am of sense. he has to have worried. but it shows you what an amateur hour the white house operation
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is because you would want to sit down with him and find out what did he tell mueller? and are there certain thing that maybe we want the use executive privilege to prevent inquiry from taking place. there would be a solid debriefing. but a lawyer testifying about a client. >> the trump legal team has the right to know what mcgahn is saying to the mueller team, correct. >> they do have the right to ask. >> to ask. >> there is a looming question here whether or not mueller requested that mcgahn not disclose the contents of this long -- these long interviews. i don't think it's odd that he gave them the interview. i think the extent to which he sat, the 30 hours -- >> to paul's point the trump team, not even -- bad lawyering right. >> exactly and the waiving of the executive privilege. everybody is throwing around the privilege term here. there may be some attorney/client privilege although he is the lawyer to the
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presidency not the president. so he's a government attorney. he and mueller are on the same side. his oath is to the office to maintain the integrity of the office. >> it wouldn'ting attorney/client privilege which is applicable it is executive privilege. >> that's correct. >> the trump legal team waived executive privilege, and jim acosta is reporting they are trying to yank it back, a retroactive waiving of executive privilege. can you even do that? >> i think wants you have waived the privilege. i think the court would be hostile to your reassertion of it. although i would say we waived it as the thing we thought were under investigation at the time. this is something new that's come up. you could make an argument. >> okay. >> the other thing i wanted to add about white house counsel, yes, he is counsel to the office of the presidency not the president personally. in this case there is an overlap that i see. when trump for instance fires
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comey is he firing comey in his position as president of the united states because comey is not doing a proper job for the country or is he firing comey because comey is getting close to him personally. >> a great point. >> you have an overlap between those roles and i wonder if there is some kind of an attorney/client privilege that white house counsel might have with respect to something where there is overlap. i'm not sure. i don't know it has ever been tested in the courts. >> caroline i want to ask you about another tweet from the president. he is going after former cia director john brennan. he said he may sue the trump administration over the decision to revoke his security clearance. what would he even sue him over? what would that even look like? >> it's not entirely clear. i think ultimately it would be some sort of play on a depri deprivation of his fifth amendment right to due process. he was stripped of these clearances without the normal
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policies and procedures one would go through. i don't know that it would have merit. maybe it would be a defamation claim. there would be a civil measure and they would engage in the deposition process, he is goading him on, bring everything you have got. >> is it just a veiled threat. >> i think he is going to assert a first amendment claim. this is how the claim would, would. this is a subterfuge to ban political speech. b brennan is having his security clearance stripped to quiet him. if you could prove it was to shut him up you may have a case thatt his first amendment rights are being surprised by the government. >> the president wants to do this to others. and they have to put an injunction on this. i want to get to this, president trump's personal
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attorney rudy giuliani is laying out this wild government as he weighs whether the president should sit down and answer questions before robert mueller. here he was. >> i am not going to be rushed into having him testify so he gets trapped into perjury. when you tell me he should testify because he is going to tell the truth and shouldn't worry. that's silly because it's somebody's version of the truth not the truth. >> truth is truth. >> no, it isn't truth. truth isn't truth. >> truth isn't truth? giuliani trying to clarify that statement in a tweet. this is what he said. my statement was not meant as a pontification on moral theology but one referring to the situation where two people make precisely controversial statements, the classic he said/she said puzzle. chris lizza is with us to help decipher what he was talking
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about. >> the first person point on that quote, the makeup call quote, he shade she said is different than perjury lying under law. he said she said happens a lot of times in legal proceedings. it is a little bit of a red herring. regardless there is a history of this with the trump administration and giuliani more broadly. i want to play a couple of thing. it's rudy giuliani from chris cuomo's show earlier this month. just this month. >> if fact counting is anything we have never had anybody with the level of mend asity as he does. >> it is in the eye of the bow holder. >> no, facts are not in the eye of the beholder. >> just for the record this is the second time he has done this in a month. the idea it is a mistake dicey. where does he get this memgity from? i give you one good u.s. guess. donald trump. let's go back to last month. i want to play a clip of
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something that donald trump had to say that at the time wowed me and whoas me no less in retro sprekt. let's listen. >> remember, what you are seeing and what you are reading is not what is happening. >> okay. and then we go where did this all begin? i think you could argue it began well into the 2016 campaign. but remember that in the very early days, literally the first couple of weeks of the trump white house kellyanne conway was on television, was questioned about the inauguration crowd attendance with shawn spicer and donald trump were not telling the truth about. here's her response to that. >> you are saying it is a falsehood, and sean spicer, our press secretary gave alternative facts. >> alternative facts. truth isn't truth. don't believe that you are seeing. look, once, brooke, maybe. twice? three times? four times? five times?
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given that this president has said 4,000 plus thing that are outright lies or misleading in his first 550 days in office there is a pattern here. giuliani can try to clean up the mess he made all he wants in twitter. look back at what he said, what the president said and what kellyanne conway has said and i think it all speaks to undermine the idea of truth, idea of facts. wherever you come down on the partisan spectrum, that's a dangerous thing. >> george orwell. chris thank you. coming up, president trump tries to compare robert mueller to a disgraceful man in history. general mccarthy. we explain why that is off base. one of the accuser of harvey weinste weinstein's role in the me too movement is at risk. and president trump speaking
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we have been seeing the term mccarthyism from president trump a lot lately. especially when referring to spush counsel robert mueller and his investigation, his russia investigation. let me show you one recent tweet from the president. studying the late joseph mccorps thee because we are now in a period with mueller and his gang that make joseph mccarthy look like a baby. rigged witch-hunt. he is right on one point. we should study mccarthy.
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he was a disgraced wisconsin senator who in the 1950s turned the lives of many americans upside down by calling them communists. now mccarthyism means making whatever claim you want without regard for evidence. johning me a historian. welcome, sir, to the show. you know, you say it in your book title, most hated senator, comparing mccarthy to mueller, a competent law enforcement official, you tell me what president trump gets so wrong with this comparison? >> well, i don't know if he got as much wrong as you might think, actually. because i think what we have to do is weigh the difference between an historical judgment which of course now mccarthy has been dead for almost 60 years versus what is unfolding right now in washington, d.c. on the
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political and on the legal front. and what happens on the headline basis, as you know at cnn as opposed to the way in which history and historians think about events afterwards are two very often very different things. >> explain. >> we weighed in on mccarthy. where we weigh in with robert mueller is still to be seen. what i would say, and i understand, i think, where trump's tweet was coming from is the question of what kinds of investigation joe mccarthy preside over versus the type of investigation that robert mueller is. i think we have to be careful here on another historical point to separate out joe mccarthy from mccarthyism. the term has come to refer to as you were saying, to make a wild accusation without evidence. that is a very different thing from what joe mccarthy did in his role as chairman of the permanent subcommittee on
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investigations, which was the real seat of his investigation into communist conspiracy, to subvert the u.s. government, and the role of communists in a variety of organizations, but particularly, their role with regard to government employees. the robert mueller investigation is much broader. its authority is much less clearly defined. joe mccarthy was in the end, we have to remember, answerable to congress, answerable to the american public, to the voters in wisconsin as well as the electorate. and in the end they decided to strip him of his committee chairmanships, sensor h censor the senate and his political career was over and he died in disgrace. robert mueller is really in a position, an unusual position in american constitutional history of being unaccountable to anyone. it's part of the problem that comes with any special counsel that's been appointed, whether
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we are talking about somebody like robert mueller or whether we are talking about robert fitzgerald. >> sure. >> or whether we are talking about kenneth starr. we remember the questions that were raised about what kind of mandate kenneth starr have investigation those are the questions that still remain to be answered with robert mueller. in mccarthy's case, he was accountable, he was held accountable for what he did wrong and history judged him on the basis of that. >> in mccarthy's case in that same era there was man by the name of ray cohen. mccarthy's side kick attack dog left d.c., becomes a lawyer in new york and who does he end up defending and representing? but donald j. trump. trump talks about him in the art of the deal, learned the art of attack from cohen, respects his
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loyalty, seems to idolize him. with your clear knowledge of president what does that tell you about how this presidencies the world in general and this investigation when he says he wants his roy cohen? >> well, i think what we have to understand is that donald trump comes from a very different political culture than the rest of washington. he's a new yorker. new york, the tough guys win. the tough guys put it out there. donald trump respected roy cohen for his toughness, for his frankness. a lot of people did. you know, roy cohen's life after his work for joe mccarthy was one that a lot of people looked to him for legal advice, looked for him as an advocate role. i'm not tearcally surprised that someone like donald trump befriended, as you know, lots of people in new york. had to know a lot of people in new york politics and the business world that he would look to someone like roy cohen as a kinds of model for that
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kind of tough, macho role. it's one that donald trump, without a doubt, plays here in washington. it's one that's shocking and disruptive in a washington culture which is based upon avoiding conflict, seeking compromise at all cost. donald trump saxe out conflict. in that sense, i think he has definitely become a very different kind of president than we have had in the white house in a very long time. and i think history will judge donald trump not on the basis of his tweets but on the basis of his deeds. and that is a history that remains to be written. >> one of the reasons why so many people wanted him in the office in the first place. >> i think so. precisely that disruptive effect. and it's paid off. >> arthur her man, thank you very much. paid off so far. coming up next, time running out for president trump's former personal attorney, michael cohen. cnn has learned the feds are
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meantime, president trump's long time attorney and so-called fixer michael cohen could be the next person in the president's inner circle to face criminal charges. cnn learned federal prosecutors in new york are preparing criminal charges against michael cohen and that an announcement could come, could come within days. cohen is being investigated for possible bank and tax fraud as well as possible election violations that stem from a six figure payment to stormy daniels. welcome to the panel. lets he start with your panel. what do you know. >> the clock is ticking. we have always known the feds were looking into his business practices. what is new today, what the "new york times" is reporting is that he may be facing, or tried to get assets by lying to lenners and getting up 20 to $20 million in loans.
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that's serious. and you have the campaign finance violation aspect which could bring in trouble for the trump ads administration and his team of lawyers who have been involved in this process as it moves forward. >> jesse, here's the if. if these charges are brought against him by -- are we -- by the end of august -- i'm like what month are we in? we are in august. by the end of august, then -- we were talking during the commercial break. you were saying -- i'm wondering when could he maybe agree to cooperate if they bring charges? your point is there could be a long time between bringing charges and a criminal trial. >> the last we heard would hasn't talked with criminal werors. there is a long time between the end of august and april. they are looking at business associates of michael cohen. that's a long time, perhaps in that period of time they will have a conversation with him about what does he real loo know about the trump organization, realistically. >> you don't think they are already having those
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conversations with him. >> they may. >> because he hasn't talked to prosecute snoors from what we hear. >> even if he hears those charges, he could make a deal after those charges are brought because there is a long time between charges being brought and trial starting. if they are not brought by the end of august they may have to wait until of a the midterm elections. >> if he decides to cooperate, what's the first sign that we would know? b, if he cooperates with sdny in this case would he also be cooperating with the special counsel in the russia investigation. >> he would have to. the idea being he has to cooperate either with the u.s. attorney's office and the mueller investigation. the thing i look at is what does he know about the trump tower meeting. that's the biggest most
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interesting -- as we play this chess game does he have information that could corroborate whether president trump knew. >> he says he does. his words, but there were other witnesses around him, which would be key. >> right and he has always been putting it out there, he has information that could help. but that's the circulating question, really is it going to be helpful for prosecutors, for mueller and sdny. that's what we want to know, does he have anything to offer? >> coming up next, one of the most prominent faces the me too movement facing allegations of her own. details on today's "new york times" report saying argento paid a settlement to young man who accused her of sexual assault.
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too movement has allegedly paid off someone who accused her of sexual assault. the "new york times" reports it received detailed information alleging actress asia argento paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to a young actor who claims she sexually assaulted him when he was 17 years old. his name is jimmy bennett. he once played argento's son in a 2004 film. here he was with argento in a 2013 instagram posted on her page. argento came out quite strongly
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against hollywood mogul harvey weinstein with her own rape allegations. she gave this impassioned me too speech just this year at the cannes film festival. >> even tonight, sitting among you, there are those who still have to be held accountable for their conduct against women. for behavior that does not belong in this industry, does not belong in any industry or workplace. you know who you are. but most importantly, we know who you are. and we are not going to allow you to get away with it any longer. >> cnn has reached out to all parties involved and have not heard back. argento has not responded yet to the "new york times." with me now cnn's jean casarez who has been digging into this. how exactly did the "new york times" get this information to begin with? >> it's very interesting.
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first of all we just got a response from the attorney that is representing the alleged victim of sexual assault and sexual abuse, a man, young man still, 22 years old. he says it is taking time for his client to process all of this because it has just come out in the the media and he needs 24 hours before he will make a statement. but it is the "new york times" that got an embedded e-mail from an anonymous source. it was encrypted. it gave documentation. they showed that e-mail to sources that were familiar with this case. they said it is authentic. so the documentation that the "new york times" is now pub liring is saying that back in 2013 what asia argento was actually in that film, when he was portraying her son, that according to this young man, jimmy bennett is his name. he was allegedly sexually battered, sexually assaulted by argento. the years went on, and last
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october, according to the documentation, when argento became front and center, because she said that she was raped by harvey weinstein. and that is also when "the new yorker" article came out his attorney was take it was too much for him to bear because he remembered back when he was 17, a minor, what he says happened in the california hotel room. that's when this young man's attorney sent a letter of notice of intent to sue citing intentional infliction of emotional distress. that's when the negotiations began. according to the times documentation, april is when the final summary order was between the two parties. there was a schedule of payments, $380,000 that she may be in the process of paying right now. and it was stated that it was to help the accuser -- that's how it was termed. but the full details are not published.
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but we have had no response from argento. and the "new york times" reached out to her on thursday. and they didn't go with the story until just yesterday because they were waiting for response. but no response at this point from her. >> now the response from the alleged victim's attorney. we will wait to see and hear more from him. we should be listening in the next 24 hours or so thank you for bringing that to lie. >> as the president honored immigration agents at the white house he invited one agent up and noted, quoting the president, he speaks perfect english. he will play the exchange for you. and a father and a son forced to drive through a raging wildfire at glacier national park. watch their harrowing escape.
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adrian come here. i want to ask you a question. so how did you -- come here. you are not nervous, right? speaks perfect english. come here. i want to ask you about that. 78 lives. you saved 78 people. so how did you feel that there were people in that trailer? a lot of trailers around. please. he didn't know he was going to do this. but it's just of interest. >> that was president trump moments ago at this event at the white house to honor border patrol agent and i.c.e. officials. jeremy diamond is with us from the white house. this is a man, saved 78 people, and as the president is describing him, says, almost like an aside, speaks perfect english. >> it was an interesting moment
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during this event during which the president was trying to honor cbp and i.c.e. agents. the president pointed out in particular this man. he named his as adrian. he didn't mention his last name. he brought him up to komen him for his actions. as he was inviting him up, he said he is not nervous, right. and then said speaks perfect english. this officer seems to be of latino decent. it is interesting a to have the president make that kinds of a comment about a u.s. law enforcement officer. of course he speaks perfect english. he is a u.s. law enforcement officer of course. this is just one moment. another notable thing broke. the president referred at least six times to cbp as cbc. unclear why, but we were able to have a look at the teleprompter.
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it does appear to have said cbp, the customs and border protection agency. that's another notable moment there, brooke. but the president did use this event more broadly to honor those two agencies and push back on criticism coming from some pockets of the democratic party who are calling to abolish i.c.e. the president slamming them for supporting open borders and for even supporting crime in the united states. i think we may also need a fact check on that point as well. brooke. >> we will wait to see if and how the white house explains why it was at all pertinent for the president to mention the man speaks perfect english. jeremy diamond, look out for that thank you. jurors in the paul manafort trial now into their third day of deliberations, sifting through all kinds of complicated evidence here of the 18 counts of tax evasion, bank fraud, other charges, despite the tension, manafort's attorney, kevin downing, seeming optimistic on his way into court
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today. >> good morning, everyone. >> how does your >> feeling really good. >> jessica schneider outside the courthouse there in virginia. jessica, we heard that there were two bench conferences with the judge today. what's a tthe word on what thats all about? >> a big mystery, brooke. none of the public was in there. it's a sealed conference that means that the transcripts will be under seal until after the verdict. these were very short, one of them lasted just seven minutes and wasn't completely abnormal during the trial. they had the bench conferences all the time and might close the courtroom or use a static noise room so no one inside the court hears what's happening in the conference of the defense team, the prosecutors and the judge but it is not usual to have these sort of bench conferences during the verdict, the deliberation process. not the verdict. the deliberation process so we're very unsure what it was
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about and we'll not learn what it was about until after a verdict comes in. speaking of which, we are going into hour seven of jury deliberations today and, brooke, we haven't heard a peep since they started to deliberate at 9:35 this morning on day three here. >> and so, we continue to wait. jessica schneider, thank you so much on the paul manafort trial. coming up next, have you heard about this woman that falls off a cruise ship and somehow manages to tread water for ten hours before she's rescued? hear her survival story, next. but allstate actually helps you drive safely... with drivewise. it lets you know when you go too fast... ...and brake too hard. with feedback to help you drive safer. giving you the power to actually lower your cost. unfortunately, it can't do anything about that. now that you know the truth... are you in good hands?
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son in 68 years reunited with him today in north korea. she told cnn she cried for a year after they were separated in 1950. he was 4 years old then. he was 72. and similar scenes like this played out around the room after dozens of south korean families were allowed to cross the dmz to finally see and hug and hold their loved ones. more than 57,000 people were hoping to take part. only 93 families were selected. the reunions, the first in the last couple of years, are the result of a summit agreement signed this year by presidents moon and kim. to montana if ever a frightening moment caught on tape, this is it. >> can't see. just go easy now. easy. >> dad, the car's heating up. its's going to explode. >> you are witnessing what justin and his 70-year-old father saw out their windshield trying to escape this raging
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wildfire in glacier park. it was tough to see. did not stay calm for very long, though. listen as the father and son tried to outrun the fire. >> oh my god. >> we're good. slow down. slow down. >> dad, no. >> yes. we're out. >> we're not out. >> well, we're good, though. >> what? dad. >> easy, easy, easy. >> oh my god. >> keep going. go, go. easy, easy. easy. easy. can't see. easy now, easy. >> dad, the car's going to explode. >> we're all right. >> jesus, god, help us. >> we're all right.
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slow it down. slow it down so we can see, just. >> what if a tree falls on us? please, god, help us. >> you're doing good. >> oh my god. >> oh [ bleep ]. >> we can't get out! >> i'm getting out. we got gloves. stop, stop. >> oh god. dad, we have do get out of here. >> justin and his dad made it out safely. their car did not. a british woman on dry ground after falling somehow from this cruise ship and spending ten hours treading water in darkness. the woman said she fell off the back of the norwegian star cruise liner boo the sea and she says she sang out loud to stay awake. cnn's bianca nobilo has more on how this all happened. >> reporter: the passenger spent ten hours in the water has been
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causing a sensation in the british and european press. kay longstaff is the name of the 46-year-old british woman who lives in spain now who was found after ten hours after sea by the croatian coast guard. the high levels of fitness and passion for yoga lauded as the reasons she was able to survive those ten hours in the water relatively unscathed. we know that kay fell off the back of the deck of the norwegian cruise ship at 11:45 p.m. local time. it then took two hours before the captain of that cruise ship was alerted to the fact that a passenger had fallen overboard. at that point, a search and rescue mission was launched and the cruise ship took part in that mission throughout its entirety as well as many other vessels. this is what the doctor who attended to kay said about the state she found her in. >> there's a medical condition. she's very healthy woman and
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probably the only reason she survived after ten hours to be in a croatian sea and maybe the seas warm. she doesn't have any, any frozen parts of her body. >> incredible. ten hours. bianca, thank you. i'm brooke baldwin. "the lead" with jake tapper starts right now. thanks, brooke. first lady melania trump says kids know more than grown-ups than the perils of social media. president trump raging and rattled after learning that the white house counsel talked to robert mueller's team for 30 hours and no one in the west wing is quite sure what he said. he cooperated with prosecutors to expose watergate but to president trump that means he's a, quote, rat. nixon white house lawyer john dean here to respond. plus, we