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was in defense of torture. i thought boy that's not a good sign. >> the book is #sad, doonesbury in the time of trump. always a pleasure. >> thank you very much. >> tweet the show at the lead cnn, our coverage on cnn continues right now. thanks for watching. happening now, breaking news. limiting the fbi. the white house expects to get the new fbi report on the supreme court nominee brett kavanaugh at any moment. and it denies limiting the probe, even on kavanaugh and his accuser have not been interviewed. what will the investigation reveal? denying disparagement. president trump was, quote, stating the facts when he mocked kavanaugh's accuser at a rally. republican senators critical of the confirmation are condemning his remarks. is the president hurting his own cause? >> the key three. senators collins, murkowski and
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flake will decide the fate of kavanaugh and the nomination and cnn has learned they've been consulting with the white house and the scope of the fbi investigation. will majority leader mitch mcconnell hold off on a vote until they're satisfied? and trump's declining wealth. his place on a list of the richest americans falls for the third straight year following a bombshell report claiming the trump fortune was built on tax schemes and fraud. is the trump brand taking a hit? i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." >> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. >> following breaking news. findings from the highly anticipated fbi investigation into the sexual assault and misconduct allegations against judge brett kavanaugh. they're expecting over at the white house at any time with the
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senate to receive them shortly thereafter. and the white house is denying the president mocked kavanaugh's accuser at a rally, saying he was, quote, stating the facts, even though key republican senators are calling his remarks appalling and wrong. i'll speak more about that with kirsten gillibrand. first, straight to our chief white house correspondent jim acosta. jim, the white house is defending the president's mockery of the woman who says kavanaugh sexually assaulted her decades ago. >> that's right, wolf. the white house is not only defending trump's obvious mocking, aides to the president are calling the falsehood that the president wasn't mocking her to begin with. it's just the latest example of the white house playing fast and loose with the facts. it was a stunning moment. a crowd of supporters laughing along, president trump incredibly mocked christine
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blasey-ford, the accuser who says supreme court nominee brett kavanaugh assaulted her. how did you get home? i don't remember. how did you get there? i don't remember. where was the police? i don't remember. how many years ago was it? i don't know. i don't know. i don't know! what neighborhood was it in? i don't know. where is the house? i don't know. upstairs, downstairs, where was it? i don't know. but i had one beer. that's the only thing i remember. and a man's life is in tatters. a man's life is shattered. >> the white house responds to deny reality and try to convince the public the president was only stating facts. >> isn't there something wrong with the president of the united states mocking somebody who says she was sexually assaulted? >> it seemed to me that he was stating facts, that dr. ford herself laid out in her testimony. once again, every single word that judge kavanaugh has said has been looked at, examined,
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picked apart by all of you in this room. >> he praised ford as credible less than a week ago. >> what did you think of dr. ford's testimony? >> very compelling. certainly she was a very credible witness. she was very good in many respects. >> key gop senators who may ultimately decide kavanaugh's fate aren't laughing. >> i thought it was, obviously, insensitive and appalling, frankly. no time and place particularly to discuss something so sensitive at a political rally. it's just wrong. >> the president's comments were just plain wrong. >> reporter: still the president seems to be following the lead of kavanaugh's fiercest defenders like senator lindsey graham. even graham was critical of the president's comments. >> i'm the first person to say i want to hear from dr. ford.
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i thought she was handled respectfully. i thought kavanaugh was treated like crap. yeah. well, boo yourself. >> the president is all but attempting to start his he too movement, saying he, too, can relate to accusations of sexual assault. >> think of your son. think of your husband. i've had many false accusations. when i say it didn't happen, nobody believes me. >> reporter: even as top aides are making the case that ford has perhaps been handled too delicately. >> she's been treated like a fabrege egg by all of us. including me. >> reporter: ford's team said she has not spoken with fbi agents who have been expected to release their background check on kavanaugh to the white house and then the senate as early as later on this evening, wolf. we don't have an exact timing as when that will come out. denying this reality that the president was mocking christine
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blasey-ford last night, even lindsey graham was critical of what the president said last night. just last week, as you recall, sarah sanders was tweeting god bless lindsey graham. wolf? >> sullen, when should senators expect to receive this fbi report? >> likely very soon, wolf. potentially any moment, according to multiple sources here on capitol hill and those close to the process. once the white house gets this report, we likely believe it will be sent to capitol hill in less than an hour and after that, the expectation is that all 100 senators will have access to this. they'll be able to sit down, read it in a secure location and at this hour yet it is not known whether parts of that will be made public or all of it kept private tonight. now very soon after that, the person to watch is senate majority leader mitch mcconnell. he has been very clear that he
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intends to move very quickly on this, to essentially start the procedural wheels turning. his first move would be filing cloture on it tonight. if the report comes out, and we leave it will tonight worry likely to see the majority leader set up a vote. cloture vote will tell us what senators will vote for kavanaugh and what senators won't vote for kavanaugh. that could set up a final vote for friday. everything certainly depends on the timing of that report that everyone is bracing for up here on capitol hill. >> a lot depends on the three key republican senators who were deeply awni lly angry. they're angry about president trump's mocking christine ford last night. could it impact their vote? >> absolutely.
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that's why we're watching each and every one of those senate republican words up here today. lisa murkowski indicated likely she would be taking the president's comments into consideration as she deliberates over her ultimate decision. murkowski saying she's not happy. she called the president's comments inappropriate and unacceptable and said she's looking at everything, as she inches toward her final decision. and i think it cannot be overstated how we're talking about the fbi report, all these accusations, all the back and forth, all the politics. this, at the end of the day, comes down to such a very, very small group of people. we're talking about three undecided republican senators and to some extent two undecided democratic senators and certainly the feeling among leadership is that as they're trying to make people feel comfortable about their votes for or against kavanaugh, that the president's comments did not
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help. >> sundlen, thank you. jessica, there's new information, i take it about who the fbi has interviewed. >> right, wolf. new information about who they have interviewed and notably who they have not interviewed. christine blasey-ford's attorneys are complaining she still hasn't been contacted by the fbi. top democrat dianne feinstein says any fbi investigation that doesn't encompass views with ford and brett kavanaugh say it won't be credible. white house counsel's office has decided both of their sworn testimony is enough. at the same time tonight the fbi's list of interviews has expanded slightly. tonight as senators wait for word from the fbi, the bureau's background investigation has expanded beyond the interviews the fbi was initially directed to conduct. special agents are talking to additional people about a july 1st, 1982 party listed on kavanaugh's high school
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calendar. two people already interviewed that were allegedly at that party, tim gaudet, who hosted the get together and chris garret, another georgetown prep student who ford says she went out with a few months. democrats have pointed to the july 1st get together as possibly the same party where ford said she was sexually assaulted even though ford has not been able to provide a date of the alleged assault. >> here are all those three named boys and others at a house together just as she said. she said kavanaugh and judge were drunk and that she had a beer. >> at least two others listed on kavanaugh's calendar for that date have already been interviewed, mark judge and pj smith, plus leland keyser, who ford says was at the party. all have previously denied any recollection of the party or any incident. what they told the fbi is
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unknown. kavanaugh's second accuser, deborah ramirez, has also been interviewed by the fbi, concerning claim that he exposed himself to her at a yale dorm party. ramirez's attorney says the fbi has the names of more than 20 witnesses who could provide information but only a small number of them may actually have witnessed the alleged incident. >> mark judge. >> at a hearing last month, kavanaugh deflected questions about a character in mark judge's memoir named bart o'kavanaugh, who got sick in someone's car after a night of drinking. >> are you the bart kavanaugh he's referring to? yes or no? >>le you would have to ask him. >> writing to fellow classmates about a beach week trip to ocean city, maryland. kavanaugh signed off as bart after writing warn the neighbors we're loud, obnoxious drunks
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with prolific pukers among us. a long-time friend of blasey-ford, retired fbi agent who says allegations are completely false and is furious that her reputation has been called into question. judiciary committee chuck grassley sent a letter to ford's attorneys, demanding more information about her own polygraph, saying the full details of her polygraph examination are particularly important because the senate judiciary committee has received a sworn statement from a long-time boyfriend of dr. ford's who says he watched dr. ford coaching a friend on polygraph examinations. ford's legal team says she stands by her testimony. >> have you ever given tips or advice to someone looking to take a polygraph test? >> never. >> even with more people being questioned, interviewed, the question does remain, will it be enough for the senators who are crucial to this yes vote?
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like lisa murkowski, susan collins and jeff flake, especially given all these outstanding questions about kavanaugh's candor? how will that affect this as we await our report. >> let's get more on all of this. kirsten gillibrand joins us now. >> thank you. >> you passed along a letter to the fbi from one of your constituents regarding the kavanaugh investigation. can you tell us more about that? >> i passed on the letter to the fbi of someone who wants to be interviewed, who has relevant information, and has asked to be part of this further background check. >> and do you know if the fbi has agreed to interview this person? >> up until now, no. that's why i forwarded the request. this individual has been asking a lawyer to do that work for
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her. that's not been done. >> has this individual shared with you the details? >> no. >> you don't know how serious they might be? >> yeah and i've heard of others who have come forward with relevant information that have not been followed up. people from yale and people that have substantiating and relevant information. >> based on what you know, is the fbi doing a thorough investigation as we speak? >> unfortunately, i don't believe they are. the fact that they were limited on who they could talk to, the fact that they don't have the authority to even go back to judge kavanaugh if they have further questions, in light of these additional interviews, the fact that they can't even go back to dr. ford if they want to. that doesn't sound like the complete, thorough investigation that senators deserve and would be due if you have a thorough background check. >> we're told that this fbi report maybe momentarily, very soon, as early as later today, will be released.
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how much time do you believe senators will need to go through this fbi report before the procedural voting begins in the senate? >> if it's as thin as we fear, it won't take a long time. the concern i have is that they haven't taken the time to do this thoughtfully and thoroughly. i would like to see the floor plans, for example, of timmy's house and see if it's consistent with what dr. blasey-ford said. i would like to know what those other people say. i would like to know what the other classmates from yale have said. i would like to know the details of the text messages that judge kavanaugh sent to classmates at yale before the new yorker came out about ms. ramirez's allegations. so, there's a lot of questions i personally have. if the answers or at least facts related to them aren't even in this fbi report, i'm concerned it won't do the work it's supposed to do to answer some of these basic factual questions. >> it appears, at least as of now, senator, that the report,
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the fbi report, will only be made available to the white house and to senators. should the results of this investigation be made available to the american public? >> i believe they should. i think these are extraordinary circumstances. i think the american public intently watched those hearings and heard for themselves dr. blasey-ford's testimony. they heard judge kavanaugh got angry and really disregard senators like senator feinstein and klobu drchlt har in an inappropriate way. i think they want to know the rest of the information and if these stories are being corroborated by other people. i think it should be made public. >> have you had a chance to talk with senator murkowski, senator collins and senator flake? have you had a chance to speak with them and express your concerns? >> i've talked to all of my colleagues, including those three.
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this is an important moment for america. the reason why president trump's comments were so disgraceful is because he was mocking a survivor. it wasn't just about dr. ford but every other survivor in america who heard our president, our commander in chief mock her with such disdain. it's been a painful few weeks for a lot of people, certainly in my state. they're reliving their worst moments as well. to have our president be so dismissive and insulting is not only a slap in the face of dr. ford but all survivors and women in general. it goes to the core of who he is and if he values women and my answer to that is no. >> were you surprised by his mocking of dr. ford last night is this. >> i wasn't surprised by t he has denied and mocked people coming forward and making allegations against him, multiple allegations of sexual harassment and assault. so from his record and what he has done, he doesn't value women. it's the reason why i oppose so much of what this president is doing.
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what he's trying to do is not going to make america stronger. >> you think that moment yesterday, that mocking will have an impact on senator murkowski, senator collins, for example? >> i think he already showed their own words about how they viewed those comments. i think they're very harmful to anyone who hears them. >> senator gillibrand thank you for joining us. >> thank you. white house and senate is standing by for the investigations into sexual misconduct allegations against supreme court nominee judge kavanaugh. how comprehensive will this fbi investigation really be? when my hot water heater failed, she was pregnant, in-laws were coming, a little bit of water, it really- it rocked our world. i had no idea the amount of damage that water could do. we called usaa. and they greeted me as they always do. sergeant baker, how are you? they were on it. it was unbelievable. having insurance is something everyone needs, but having usaa-
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source telling cnn that the white house expects to receive results from the new fbi investigation of judge brett kavanaugh at any time, the information will then be sent to capitol hill. let dig deeper with former fbi supervisory special agent josh campbell. what have you learned, first of all, about where the fbi is right now in its investigation? >> the there appears to be conflict, because as the clock continues to tick on this friday deadline that mitch mcconnell has instilled here, saying there will be a vote on the judge no matter what and additional information that the fbi report could come as early as this week, that appears to conflict with sources are telling us that are familiar with the investigation, that the fbi is still very much in collection mode, gathering information, primarily from three different buckets, the first being that first mandate provided by the white house to interview these four people as part of these original allegations against judge kavanaugh. secondly, there's information that's since come to light during the course of those interviews that the fbi still
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has to run down and then third all the leads and tips coming into the bureau through their tip line, online portal and field office throughout the country. the question, wolf, is will they be able to get through those? the last piece on that, wolf, pertains to dr. ford. obviously we've been reporting that she's not been interviewed yet. sources familiar with the investigation say just because the fbi hasn't interviewed her to date doesn't mean that they wouldn't want to interview her later on. in an investigation sometimes it's typical that you wait to interview a key witness until you gather the full body of evidence. will the fbi be able to finish this work in a comprehensive way before the senate votes? >> let me ask you and press you, when the fbi investigation is complete, do you expect it will appear to be really comprehensive? >> if you look at the original mandate, the information that the fbi had to look at from the white house initially, it appears as though that work is done very narrowly. we may see that here as far as
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the scope of the investigation and what might be going over to the white house and then to the senate. that causes or casts into question whether or not there will be this comprehensive review. you have all this information that's still out there. we talked about some of the spending early on from the white house, as far as opening the appature but the fbi till has to get permission. we may find that the white house is saying one thing publicly and one thing privately and will cast lingering questions as to whether this was comprehensive into these very serious allegations, wolf. >> we're expecting that report very soon. josh, thank you very much. more breaking news ahead as the white house and senate await this new fbi report on judge brett kavanaugh. is the fbi's credibility, right now, at stake? that last place was pretty nice. i don't like this whole thing. i think we can do better. change is hard. try to keep an open mind.
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sexual assault allegations against supreme court nominee brett kavanaugh, sources close to the process tell cnn the white house expects to receive the results of the fbi investigation very soon and then it will go to capitol hill within an hour of so when it's received at the white house. let's talk more about this with our experts and analysts, phil mudd, who once worked at the fbi. do you think they could wrap up their investigation without sitting down with judge kavanaugh or professor ford? >> that would surprise me.
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i hope two pieces of the report, the piece that they found on injuries. i would like to see something that was readily available to the public, what parameters were they given? what were they asked to do? we're talking about 35 years ago with relatively few witnesses back in high school and no digital media. i suspect these witnesses are saying i don't remember very much. what are you supposed to tell judge kavanaugh? you want to change what you said? he's going to say no. >> they do a summary for the senators, a cliff note's version? >> yes. >> otherwise this is hundreds of pages of interview transcript. >> yes. in fact i would take a step further. i wouldn't want all the information about the interview going out. you can have a right to anonymity. they can say i don't want people to know what i told you about my friend, brett kavanaugh. >> limited its extent of this
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fbi investigation. >> we'll have to wait to see what phil mudd is talking about. when sarah sanders was talking, she was trying to have it both ways, it seemed to me. she said that the president has said and the white house has said whatever the fbi deems is necessary. and then she said, you know, after all, the senate is determining the scope. so i don't know. is it the fbi deeming what's necessary or is the senate determining the scope or is it both, or is it what the white house wants, which is what we originally thought? >> one point of technical clarity. we said 100 times it's not a criminal investigation. a branch of the executive, the white house and senate, have gone to the fbi and said as a matter of professional duty can you investigate this person, whom we want to nominate? >> right. >> they have a right to circumscribe in one sense.
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it's their nominee. >> they have free rein to look into whatever they want and press secretary sarah sanders saying whatever they deem appropriate. can't they take that as instruction? >> sure and could probably get those interviews done in about an hour. we're not parsing words here. phil is absolutely right. we've discussed this. this is an inquiry, a directive given to the fbi by the executive branch to look into one of their nominees. it is not to do an investigation on behalf of the judiciary committee members to find out exactly what happened. that is not what we're seeing here right now and, unfortunately, politics is so woven through this right now that democrats and republicans both look bad in all of this and in the end no one is going to be happy. >> is the white house trying to have it both ways? >> it's important to remember that neither the white house nor republicans on capitol hill wanted this investigation in the first place. they only ordered the
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investigation when senator jeff flake said he would not vote to confirm kavanaugh absent one and susan collins and lisa murkowski took a similar position. by setting this arbitrary one-week deadline, was the bureau, in fact, given the time that it needs to, in fact, call and interview all the witnesses necessary and follow any leads that may have come its way? in terms of the kavanaugh/ford question, it's possible that witnesses they did interview said we don't have any recollection of the events so there may not be much to go back to av gnaw and ford with. if the withins did contradict the testimony of either ford or kavanaugh, then there would be real questions as to why they did not follow up with either of them. we'll have to wait and see if they address the parameters of the report. >> the fbi does not draw any conclusions here. they will not come out and say that brett kavanaugh is right and that it never happened, or that dr. ford is right and it did happen.
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they're not going to do that. >> but it will point out any inconsistencies if there are any. >> exactly. >> you once worked at the fbi. >> yeah. >> is the fbi's credibility now at stake? >> i don't think so because if you look -- these senators are looking for the fbi to solve their problem for them. >> right. >> they have a difficult vote. man up and make the vote. they gave the fbi a week and said go back 35 years on information that the senate had midsummer and failed to pass along to the fbi and the people who proposed this, as we discussed, said there's very limited information we want you to look at. how can you tell the fbi you didn't conduct a full background investigation? they didn't have time to do it and weren't asked to do it, by the way. i don't think their credibility is at stake. >> in the end it could be just as muddled from both sides' point of view as it is right now. >> and let me be ugly about washington, d.c. they knew this and some of these senators said we'll get a he
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said, she said and then vote and say the fbi didn't solve this for us, this is on the fbi so we have to vote for him. >> designed to give them cover by giving them the opportunity to say we called for and supported an fbi investigation. it was ultimately inconclusive. therefore we have no choice. >> three votes. they only need two of them. >> it makes it easier for red state democrats to vote for the nomination because they can go home to their conservative c constituents and say we had an fbi investigation, it was inconclusive and i like kavanaugh on the issues. that's it. another political firestorm was set off by president trump when he mocked dr. christine blasey-ford at a rally in mississippi. the white house saying he was only stating the facts. wealthiest list of people in the united states, the
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we're back with our experts and analysts. gloria, just the other day, president trump was calling professor ford's testimony compelling and credible. that tone shifted dramatically last night at a political rally. watch this. >> how did you get there? i don't remember. how did you get home? i don't remember. where was the place? i don't remember. how many years ago was it i
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don't know. i don't know! i don't know! what neighborhood was it in? i don't know. where is the house? i don't know! upstairs, downstairs, where was it? i don't know. but i had one bother. that's the only thing i remember. >> today the white house insists the president was not mocking professor ford, merely stating the facts. >> first of all, that's ridiculous. of course he was mocking her. and he wasn't stating the facts. secondly, because when he went to the part of this upstairs, downstairs, she knew exactly where she was. she was upstairs. she spoke about how she heard them, she ran into the bathroom and she heard them coming down the stairs and knocking into the walls kind of in a drunken way. so she knew where she was. she didn't know where the house was, et cetera, et cetera. so, come on. i mean, you can rationalize things any way you want when you stand at that podium. but the notion that the president wasn't playing to this audience and he wasn't playing for some kind of bizarre
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laughter is just ludicrous. >> and when dr. christine blasey-ford was asked about these questions that she accountant recall, she drew from her own expertise as a professor in psychology in the way that the brain processes traumatic events. how she got to the party in the first place, those perhaps are processed divenly because there's a way for the body to shut those memories out. in fact, that's why rachel mitchell, who wrote the report for the republicans, has come under criticism. her own former -- the people she mentored have said that she taught them that when prosecuting sex crimes some of those details are, frankly, irrelevant. what is more important is what the victim remembers about the alleged assault itself. >> why would the president do what he did last night? >> i mean, i don't know. because that's what he does.
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>> such a sensitive moment right now. >> right. >> three republican senators on the fence. they're all angry at him now. it would only hurt the possibility that they would vote for -- they may still vote for confirmation but certainly it isn't helping. >> this is the thing that most worries me about president trump. i understand that a lot of people might not eit this way. i don't care what he does with his policies. he was elected to be president of the united states. it's when he does these things right here. when he goes out and mocks a woman who says that she was sexually attacked and has carried this weight on her shoulders for so many years, what he's doing there is telling other women, you know what? you may not want to come out and tell your story. that's what he's doing. why does he do it, wolf? because at this point none of us never really know other than to think that he is really classless sometimes and that was
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classless. >> do you want to add anything? >> let's take the gloves off for one second here. i love all these republicans complaining. we went through a complain where a man mocked somebody for disability, mocked candidates repeatedly with fourth grade names, talked about on tape grabbing a woman's crotch, talked about the face of an opponent and the republicans, not just the american people, the republicans said this is the candidate we want. they knew who he was and now they're saying, wow, he was a circus clown at an event in mississippi. no surprise here, wolf. >> that's who he's playing to. he's playing to the base of the party. that's what he was doing. he has decided, you know, over unity in the country and senator jones said this. he has chosen to divide and to use this for the midterm elections because he needs those white, noncollege educated men, which he may get. >> we'll have a lot more on this come i coming up also. in other news, the president losing ground on the forbes 400 list of the richest people in
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when you or your love one need it. traffic and roads... a mess, honestlyrents going up,le. friends and family moving out of state, millions of californians live near or below the poverty line. politicians like gavin newsom talk about change, but they've done nothing. sky-high gas and food prices. homelessness. gavin newsom, it happened on your watch. so, yeah. it is time for a change. time for someone new. the latest rankings just came out and president trump is losing ground on the forbes list of the 400 wealthiest people in the united states. the news comes in the wake of a "new york times" investigation raising serious questions about the president's money. let's bring in cnn's brian todd.
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brian, what is behind the president's drop on the forbes 400? >> reporter: a lot of dissatisfied customers and declining property values are behind the drop. take a look. tonight donald trump is only 258 places behind amazon founder jeff bezos on forbes' list of the 400 wealthiest americans. between this and "the new york times" piece on the trump family tax schemes, those who chronicled the president say he has to be seething ♪ i would gradually stand up >> reporter: he has built his professional and business reputation on his self-made wealth. >> i started off with $is presidential and now i'm worth over $10 billion. >> tonight the reputation is taking a list. in its new list of the 400 wealthiest americans out today, "forbes" magazine puts president trump's ranking at 259, the third straight year it has dropped, down 11 places from last year, a development his
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biographers say will drive donald trump crazy. >> he isn't concerned about his character. he is concerned about the presumed content of his wallet. so to go down on the list that he has fought from the get-go to be on, even when there's no evidence he really should be on it, this is going to irritate him to no end. >> reporter: since the 1980s his biographers say trump has been obsessed with getting and staying on forbes' list of america's financial elite, once taking forbes' reporters on a tour of his trump tower penthouse, complaining with his stature with them plummeted. >> i thought forbes liked him and they put me down at $4.5 billion net worth. i'm not complaining but it is much more than that. >> the forbes list had a special meaning to trump, much like the cover of "time" magazine. it was a marker, a way of determining where he really stood in the perceptions of those who determined who the world's richest men were. >> reporter: the magazine says trump's presidency has hurt the trump brand. many of his golf courses, condos
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and other properties declining in value. >> organizations that used to book trump hotels for conferences, businesses and trade groups, have backed off. and that's because many of the statements and policies donald trump has been espousing offend people. >> reporter: trump's lower forbes 400 ranking comes on the heels of a 14,000 word "new york times" investigative piece that further unravels the myths of trump's finances, saying the president and his father committed tax fraud and used other schemes to avoid gift and inheritance taxes. the "times" reports trump's father fred was the source of his wealth, giving him at least $413 million in today's dollars. just one example, "the times" reveals fred trump set up a shell company called all county building supply and maintenance owned by his children. "the times" says fred trump bought refrigerators and other supplies under the name of all county, then sold those items to himself at jacked up prices, allowing him to pay his children the difference, not as a
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heavily-taxed gift but as profit. >> it was a way of passing on the family fortune to the next generation without accumulating massive tax bills. >> reporter: a trump family tradition, biographers say, of deceiving the public and the government about their true wealth. >> you know, when the trumps present themselves to tax authorities they're paupers. they own golf courses that are worth the equivalent of a house or two on the fairway. but when they present themselves to the public, why, then they're the richest people you can imagine around. >> reporter: trump's lawyer and his brother are refuting "the new york times" report, denying tax fraud. now, a key question tonight, will "the times" and forbes reporting on trump's finances hurt him politically? trump's biographers say probably not. they say his core political supporters will still feed off his strategy of channelling their own frustrations and portraying much of the media as out to get him. wolf. >> as you know, brian, the president is facing a lot more pressure tonight to release his tax returns. what is the latest?
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>> reporter: republican senator oren hatch a short time ago said that, quote, trump may have to release his tax returns and says he himself would be happy to look into them. that's significant. hatch is chairman of the senate finance committee. also tonight new york city mayor de blasio says the city will work with the state and will, quote, look under every stone to recoup trump's unpaid taxes. >> brian, thank you very much. good report. there's more breaking news just ahead. the white house is expecting the fbi's findings on the kavanaugh section assault allegation at any moment. we'll go live there. we will go to capitol hill where the senate is also standing by for the results of the investigation. the day after chemo shouldn't mean going back to
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happening now, breaking news. awaiting report. at any moment the fbi may turn over its notes on the brett kavanaugh investigation. we're standing by for the results and the reaction from three republican senators who will ultimately decide if kavanaugh sits on the u.s. supreme court. mocking words. the president publicly ridicules kavanaugh's accuser, christine blasey ford, as his supporters cheer him on. tonight, the white house is denying that reality as even some republicans call mr. trump's remarks wrong and appalling. the boring defense. the president slams a new report in "the new york times" that shows how much of his wealth came from his father and from dubious tax schemes. new york state is now investigating the allegations that mr. trump dismisses as dull. and worldwide provocation? we're learning about a possible show of force by the u.s.

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