tv CNN Newsroom With Fredricka Whitfield CNN November 24, 2018 8:00am-9:00am PST
♪ hello, everyone. welcome this saturday. i am fredricka whitfield. we start with a stunning admission from an alabama police department. the manhunt is back on for the gunman in a mall shooting thanksgiving night. and hoover police admitting the man they killed likely was not responsible for two people being shot. it was chaos that broke out on one of the busiest shopping nights. police say an altercation escalated into a shooting that left two people hospitalized. a police officer then shot and
killed 21-year-old emantic fitzgerald bradford jr., an armed man police originally believed was responsible for the shooting. now they say bradford is not the man that fired the shots and the search is on for the gunman. how did this discrepancy begin? >> i reached out to the agency that's taken over the investigation and they haven't responded yet to my questions to clarify this. right now we don't know where the gunman is or frankly how many people they're looking for. overnight, the hoover police department issued a statement that said our department does not typically issue media updates during an internal investigation, but there was information discussed with local media last night that merits update and clarification. the initial report was two men had gotten into a fight of some kind at the mall that resulted in a 21-year-old shooting an unarmed 18-year-old. that victim was taken to the hospital. the update now says the
21-year-old identified as emantic fitzgerald bradford jr. may have been involved in some aspect of the altercation but likely did not fire the rounds that injured the 18-year-old victim. police say bradford did flee the scene, brandishing his weapon. that's when an armed hoover police officer working mall security shot and killed him. so if bradford is not the one that shot the 18-year-old, there's someone out there that did. police say they now believe there were more than two people involved in the initial fight, with at least one gunman still at large who could be responsible for the 18-year-old shooting victim as well as a 12-year-old girl caught in the crossfire. she was also taken to the hospital. we learned from the army that bradford had enlisted but didn't complete his training. it is not clear if police believe that he may have fired any of the shots during the incident, though they say he was somehow involved. last we heard, the officer involved in the shooting is on administrative leave while they investigate, fred. >> thanks so much.
update us when you get any more information. joining me, fbi assistant director, cnn senior law enforcement analyst tom fuentes. they killed the man they thought was responsible, now they're going back on that. how is it something like this can happen. this is very unusual, isn't it? >> yes. there's so much pressure on police and authorities when there's an officer-involved shooting to get out as much information as quickly as they can, even if it involves some kind of speculation or they're jumping to conclusion that this must have happened, and this is an example where these issues are complicated, they need to be investigated, and the police should have said it will be investigated. we're not sure exactly what happened and we'll let you know when we have a better idea of what happened. so that's the problem here. now, you know, headlines about this make it sound like the police just gunned somebody down
that turns out to be the wrong guy. on the other hand, if the deceased person was involved in the original altercation, had a gun, maybe fired shots, we don't know, then was fleeing, and then confronted by an officer and didn't surrender, didn't drop his gun, you could see where a mistake could be made like that. >> but it doesn't sound like that's the case. >> that's the point. we're going by what it sounds like and what we think happened and what the police conclusion was in that mall at that time with everything going on. it just needs to be investigated. hoover police issuing a statement, they're not going to be investigating this, it will be investigated by the county police and if necessary the state police, and if necessary the fbi, if it turns into a civil rights case. at this point we just don't know enough to know for sure the circumstances that led to bradford being shot. >> right. and clearly we don't know a lot.
and that's why they're continuing to have these questions. are you surprised a police would make this admission so soon as opposed to making the admission much later as they learn more about the overall investigation. what does it tell you that they're willing, there's a willingness now to say this is not the alleged gunman. >> no, i think they had to. the initial reporting, if it comes out and looks like they gunned down the gunman, the person responsible in the altercation for wounding and hospitalizing the other individuals, then for the public's sake, it is like the search is over. now they're saying wait a minute, we have a gunman at large who has not been apprehended, has not been publicly identified yet. so the public needs to be aware of that. i think that the second press release they put out was necessary because of the mistake in the first press release.
i think it is just better at this point that they say look, it is more complex than we thought at first blush, and we have the county, independent agency investigating this, let's let them do their work before we jump to more conclusions in this case. >> and because the alleged gunman is still out there, obviously police will be counting on witnesses, people at the mall at that moment to perhaps provide some sort of information? >> not just witnesses but there should be security cameras all over the inside of that mall, all over the parking lot outside that mall where they might see the person that ran out and what kind of vehicle he may have gotten into. they may have more just from studying that but we don't know that yet, and at this point they're going to be cautious in any future press releases until they have information that's verified. >> tom, thanks so much.
>> you're welcome. we're also following this breaking news out of paris. angry protests over rising gas prices have turned violent. police are using tear gas and water cannons as thousands protest on the champs-elysees. protesters are venting anger over increased prices for diesel and also protesting against the french president, emanuel macron's environmental policies. gas in paris already costs more than $5.50 a gallon. officials say two people have died so far in the unrest that began last week. cnn senior international correspondent jim bittermann is live for us in paris. jim, protests are not unusual overall in paris but there's something distinctively different about this one. what's going on?
>> reporter: absolutely, fredricka. the most distinctive thing, the fact that there's not an established leader, not a union behind this, nothing that's an organizational tool the government can get its hands around, it is spontaneous protests by a lot of different people. we have been watching this the last seven hours. there's been confrontations between the police and demonstrators who are wearing yellow vests which all french motorists have to have in their car. as a consequence easy for someone to take part in the movement, show where their sent meants are. gas prices was the beginning of it, now in the week that passed since the original protest, there are a number of people that joined for other reenasons rising cost of living, pensioners worried about pensions, a number of different reen reasons. hearing chants of basically macron quit, resign from the
presidency. that's not likely to happen. next week on tuesday, basically calm the situation i think, we'll see what happens tuesday. they're not saying exactly what it will be. ironically, fredricka, a few moments ago the christmas lights on the champs-elysees went on. they were lit for the first time thursday, which usually marks beginning of the shopping season, but i can tell you something, there are not many shoppers on the avenue today. fredricka? >> you can see from the wide shot, you see beautiful red lights, contrast that with some of the unrest. then i wonder, jim, earlier i saw pictures of people who were presumably putting trash or making piles later to ignite and you had authorities that were also there, so what are the boundaries or what is accepted when it comes to protests, organizing the intent behind
putting the trash and then burning, does that lead to arrests, does that make the protest that much more volatile for law enforcement there even? >> reporter: well, so far there haven't been that many arrests, about 35 arrests nationwide and about 18 in paris. in any case we seem to feel, just a feeling about it, that the police are laying back as long as the protesters don't attack high value shops on the champs-elysees. they're burning barriers, construction barricades along the avenue here, and about the most damage they've done is they set fire to a construction crane a few minutes ago, burned out the crane, the cab of the crane. that's about the most distinctive damage we have seen. i have a feeling we will see some insurance claims nonetheless from a number of different businesses along the
way, restaurant awnings have been burned, chairs stolen, taken, and there's been some damage, probably not as much as there could have been, fredricka. >> okay. jim bittermann, thank you so much. also the root cause of the sounds we're hearing in the background, too. still ahead, a new government report on unchecked climate change warns of premature deaths and extreme economic consequences if global warming is not addressed. how will president trump, a step particular of global warming respond now? not just "airline purchases." (loud) holy moley that's a lot of miles!!! shhhhh! what's in your wallet? - shhhhh! - that skills like teamwork, attention to detail, and customer service are critical to business success.
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unchecked. the report warns climate change could have a catastrophic effect on human health, quality of life, and the u.s. economy. the grim findings run counter to president trump's consistent message that climate change is a hoax. let's bring in cnn senior white house correspondent jeff zeleny in west palm beach, near where president trump is spending the holiday weekend. jeff, has the white house responded to the report? this is one that is congressionally backed, federally mandated to have the report, it has happened before in years past, but now how is the white house responding to this one? >> reporter: well, good morning, fredricka. this is a product of the trump administration. some 13 federal agencies come together to produce the report. in effect, it is a product of the white house, of the trump administration, but of course it is at odds with the president's policies as you said. the president has been utterly silent about this report. whenever he wants to speak about something, he certainly finds a way to do it, but he has been
quiet about this entirely. there was a statement from the white house yesterday that said it is largely based on a scenario, worst case scenario, and it started under the obama administration, so they want to give some more time if you will to have a better sense of this. the reality is the evidence is by preponderance that the climate is changing and the economic argument is a strong one, one we don't hear the president talk about in terms of effect on the economy of changing climate. we'll see if the president says anything. as of today, he has not said a word. he is enjoying warm weather in florida now. >> one has to wonder if he got a heads up that the conclusion was coming. meantime, jeff, the president has also asked the u.s. supreme court to take up his transgender military ban after blocked in the lower courts. is it likely the supreme court
will take up this case? >> reporter: it is unclear if they will or not. this is why. this is an unusual thing the white house is asking the supreme court to do, there's not been a ruling from an appeals court. they're asking the supreme court to bypass the normal route it would go from federal judge to appellate court. the white house is not pleased with court of appeals, the president made it clear all week, 9th circuit court of appeals. the white house is trying to go to the supreme court. their argument is it is of you are -- you are jenlt nature to do it. the president made no secret of his distakdain for them largely immigration matters. on this himself, he has been quiet. so far as we speak, no tweets at all from the president. finally enjoying a day of rest
on this thanksgiving holiday, heading back to washington after the weekend. >> all right. jeff zeleny, thanks so much. let's talk about all of this. with me, lynn sweet, washington bureau of the "chicago sun times." >> good to see you. >> let's begin with reaction after the president's attempt to go around lower courts, take his transgender ban to the supreme court. why does he see this as more advantageous for him to take this route? >> well, it is because he wants to avoid a ruling in the two circuits where he thinks he is at a disadvantage. there's three cases, in the 9th and d.c. circuit. what's interesting in the petition that's filed in the court is that these cases are called -- that the court needs to act on the mattis policy, dealing with transgenders, when
everyone knows it started with a tweet from the president. i think this is a supreme court brief that shows the pictures of the twitter posts from trump in it. so the scheme that the trump administration wants is to find a way to get around the 9th circuit and the d.c. courts. as jeff has said and as you're asking me, i think the reason is as obvious as trump himself has said, he wants a work around. the judges on the supreme court don't do work arounds to get cases out of appellate judges that a plaintiff or defendant -- >> somebody in his world has to know that, has to have conveyed that to him, you can't just say supreme court, handle this, let's just put this on the docket. >> and to have it handled as this emergency treatment, it just is something that the justice department and attorneys are going along with because the
boss is ordering it. what we are seeing is a new chapter, i don't know how it will end, where trump steps up his criticism of judges all the way up to the supreme court. and a few days ago, justice roberts has reacted. if he continues on this attack on a circuit he deems is against him, what will happen. people do form shopping all the time. there are cases that people advocate conservative causes, bring in texas. this is form shopping. it happens. and you don't always know what appellate panel you're going to get, but you can game the system a but, but not the way the president is trying to do it when he has already stated in advance, this is where in his own words impale him sometimes, judges don't work in a vacuum. they know why he wants to avoid the 9th circuit. >> let's talk about this climate change study, the national
climate assessment publication. the fourth comprehensive look at climate change, how it impacts the united states, and just about everything in it thus far is contrary to what the president espoused to be his belief. this report would be released on black friday. there are a lot of things here. a, that it would be released on a black friday holiday weekend, and that it would be released contrary to what the houwhite he and the president's view is. what's behind this? >> what's behind it, there are even some things that president trump can't control in government, and there are reports that have to be disclosed and they are. he tried of course to act like a king and just ignore rules, procedures, institutions that churn out reports. i don't put too much on that it was released on black friday when people aren't paying attention because people will be
paying attention, especially when the democrats take over the house in january and you'll hear more from people like former vice president al gore who has been a climate change crusader. the fact that the report came out on a friday where people weren't paying attention right now, i don't think that's going to halt it. i don't know if there's anything in there that will persuade trump to change his mind, but the report nonetheless could go perhaps a way toward changing other people. >> does it say anything about the agencies involved here, 13 federal departments and agencies who have input saying humans cause 90% of climate change. does it say anything also about a willingness and no longer a fear to say this, a fear of upsetting the president who already said he doesn't believe in these theories. >> it is written in plain english if people want to google
it. >> scientific findings, beyond theories, scientific findings. >> which are there. there is an executive summary at the top you can read that is not technical and for an administration that wants to scrub the words climate change out of how people talk about things, how you refer to things when you write, i don't know if they could -- they could not scrub this report away from what it is about, that climate change exists, it is real, it has an impact, and is something that needs to be addressed. president trump as we know can disregard the findings of his own defense intelligence agencies, so again, i don't see why he would necessarily pay attention to 13 federal agencies, but for the moment you have to consider the game changes so much in january, fredricka, when the democrats take the house. >> lynn sweet, thanks so much. >> thank you. straight ahead, 14,000
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children separated from parents at the border account for less than 200 of the number. with me now, donna shalala, president of the clinton foundation and former hhs secretary that worked with president clinton. secretary, good to see you. >> thank you. >> when you hear these numbers, 14,000 unaccompanied children, minors in u.s. custody, what are you envisioning, how do you suppose it came to be? >> it came to be because of this administration's desire to attach enforcement to child welfare. it just shouldn't happen this way. what's happening is all these children, most of them arrived with a piece of paper. they have the name of an aunt or uncle or cousin that they're going to go and stay with, they expect that to happen. but this administration makes a phone call and in that phone call they ask about the legal
status of the adult on the other end of the phone. if they're undocumented, they turn that information over to i.c.e., so they're going to frighten large numbers of undocumented immigrants in this country for a long period of time who are willing to take their relatives or their friends of people from their own country, they're willing to take the children. but because of this enforcement mechanism that's tied to the phone call, they're scared off. so as a result, we have lots of children who could go to stay with a caring adult, but are being held literally as prisoners in facilities when it doesn't have to happen. every previous administration did not tie immigration enforcement to the settling of children, and frankly our priority was always the safety
and health and education of those children. in addition to that, the administration has now announced they're going to put children in tents on federal land as a way of avoiding state requirements for services the children should receive, educational services, health services. so they created this unbelievable, horrific humanitarian crisis because of the unintended probably consequences of stupid decisions about enforcing immigration while we're trying to resettle children in this country. >> is it your feeling that the common mission of the unaccompanied children is trying to seek a better life, trying to meet up with family members who are already in the u.s., trying to get an education, and -- >> absolutely. >> that their mission is i guess
interrupted by a lack of understanding? i mean, what is the spirit behind what you see the new administration policies to be, what is the goal for the 14,000 kids who are currently being held? >> the administration policies are just mean, they're unamerican, and frankly they're immoral. these children should be settled with relatives already here in this country and we should probably -- it is likely that if we didn't pay attention to the immigration status of these relatives, we could settle these children. during the administration that i led at hhs we didn't ask those questions and were more concerned about the children's welfare than the immigration status of relatives. once you start asking those questions, sharing information
with i.c.e., you're simply going to scare off parents, relatives, others that would in fact embrace these children and give them a secure environment. >> the trump administration says the previous administration set the stage for this crisis, that is why this administration is compelled to change the way in which it processes unaccompanied children. >> well, it is not processing them at all. it is not processing them at all by setting up this standard in which i.c.e. gets information about the prospective relatives that would take these children into their homes, it is providing a standard that's leaving the children in these unbelievable conditions, and basically traumatizing them. no child, these are temporary quarters. they're supposed to be temporary
quarters. this is supposed to be a transition home for them. >> what are you worried is happening to the 14,000 kids now? >> i am worrying they're being traumatized, that they're being held in facilities. some of the facilities are very good, but if we start moving thousands of children to tents in texas who won't be covered by state laws, then we really should be concerned. more than anything else, they need to be settled with families, they shouldn't be held in holding facilities, and we have a system for doing that, but we have to remove i.c.e. from the equation. >> how do you see this ending? what do you see the demise will be? you mention the tents.
>> the new democratic representation in the house of representatives, of which i am going to be a part since i was elected in florida to represent miami, the new democratic administration in the house of representatives will take a good, hard look and press this administration to stop doing what they're doing, particularly i.c.e. from being involved in the decisions are where these children can be placed. we have to take the fear out of the immigrant community and let these children go with relatives and be settled in communities. americans believe this. >> we'll leave it there. thank you so much. straight ahead, an associate of the president's friend and long time adviser roger stone is in plea negotiations the special counsel. if he flips on stone, does that spell trouble for the president in the russian investigation?
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whether corsi was an intermediary between stone and wikileaks, and roger stone is trying to downplay this development. >> i think that this is, you know, this is prosecutorial misconduct. it appears to me, poor jerry core see has been pressured and refuses to lie. >> cnn legal analyst, former prosecutor michael zeldin joins me to discuss all of this. good to see you. happy thanksgiving weekend. >> to you too, fred. >> what could be the valued information from jerome corsi? >> to understand the role of corsi, you have to understand what the issue is mueller may be investigating with respect to stone and that is whether or not roger stone prior to release of the hacked information from democratic national committee and john podesta had any dealings with wikileaks, the distributor of the information, or gussifer 2.0, that who
mueller accused of doing the hacking. if he did either of those things, then he may be under inquiry by mueller for some type of criminal conspiracy to interfere with the election. corsi is a communicator between wikileaks and stone, it is believed. so the question is what does corsi have to say, if anything, about the relationship between roger stone and wikileaks, and that is what is apparently under consideration by mueller and whether or not corsi is pleading guilty and cooperating or just pleading guilty and not cooperating, we just don't know. >> you heard roger stone saying this could be prosecutorial misconduct. he is playing it cool. >> this idea that jerry corsi could implicate me, there's simply no evidence whatsoever that would show that i knew about the source or the content of any allegedly stolen e-mails
or any allegedly hacked e-mails that were published by wikileaks, just not so. >> all right. what are your thoughts on that? >> so that's in a category of roger stone saying he hopes that's not the case but he doesn't know what mueller knows. could be that he is right. mueller doesn't have suggest evidence to link roger stone with wikileaks or gussifer 2.0 and that he is pressuring corsi to give him the evidence, but more likely is that he believes, mueller does, that corsi has information he wants him to share that he either has shared and is going to seek a cooperation agreement or hasn't shared and mueller thinks it is a lie and is going to charge him like he did all of the others who mueller believes lied to him. >> there would be no plea negotiations if there wasn't something to gain from it, right? >> except that we saw in the matter of the young lawyer from
the law firm, vander swan and the pop dop louss had little information. you can't come to our offices, talk to us under oath, lie and get away with it. could be that corsi fits into the latter category of not much information to share, but knowing a purposeful lie, he will pay the price of indictment for. >> we'll leave it there. thanks so much. all right. next, an american missionary's last words. how he was hoping to convert them and feared his death was imminent. i've got to tell you something. with the capital one venture card you earn unlimited double miles on every purchase, every day. not just airline purchases? everything. hey, how'd you get in here? cross-checking. nice. what's in your wallet... oh, c'mon!
we're learning new details about a letter an american missionary wrote before he was killed on a remote island. in it, he reveals he knew the isolated tribes people were dangerous and his life was at risk. cnn's polo sandoval has details. >> reporter: one of the most isolated tribes in the world. authorities say they're responsibility for last week's killing of an american missionary. this archive footage from survival international provides some of the few existing images
of this tribe. they live in complete isolation on a tiny island. according to officials, the missionary paid to get to the island. he deliberately disregarded an established perimeter around the island. according to journal entries, the 26-year-old wrote, i hollered lholler ed, my name is john, i love you and jesus loves you. the next day, chao made a second attempt but never returned. the fisherman later reported seeing the young man's body buried on the beach by tribe members. his last entry reads, you guys might think i'm crazy but i think it's worthwhile to declare jesus to these people. in 2006, the same tribe killed
two poachers who had been illegally fishing near their island. believes the native's decision to remain isolated should be respective. >> somebody comes, they have no idea why. i think it's far more self-defense than it is murder. >> reporter: on social media his family wrote he loves helping those in need and had nothing but love for those people. we forgive those reportedly responsible for his death. all they can do is wait to see if his body will be recovered. >> let's talk more about this. sophie grigg from survivor international joins me right now. we saw you in the piece, that you call this almost self-defense on the part of this tribe. so explain, you know, what they were interpreting, what they
were seeing when they saw john allen chao. >> it's all conjecture. we really don't know. because they have had no real contact with anyone and no one's ever been able to talk to them or understand their concerns. certainly they've made it very clear they don't want people landing on their island. they always, other than an extremely brief period in 1991, they've always rejected people coming on and demonstrating that very clearly. it seems they're very determined to defend their land and independence and have given a clear message for people to stay away. >> so it's common knowledge really to leave them be, even the fisherman that were paid. they presumably knew to keep a particular distance. did they warn him or tell him,
you know, you don't want to do this? >> absolutely. even the most cursory googling of the internet would have told you this is what would happen. also that it is completely illegal. although that being said, earlier this year in june, the indian government did relax one of the permits that is required for going to this island. it still was illegal but that was sort of a confusing message coming from the indian government. it is really essential they reverse that and put those protections in place. no one should go there. >> that island is off limits, the island and the people. the family want his remains, but it sounds as if you're also painting a picture, you know, these people and on their island really have the right to keep it, don't they? >> obviously everyone feels for the family and it's a terrible situation for them.
but there's no safe way to go and connect the body either for the people who are doing it or the sentenle easentenlese. after the attempts to go and rescue the bodies, the family said, well, we accept they shouldn't have been there and we just accept the bodies have to remain there. >> do you think this incident will in any way change the way in which these people and island exist? >> i hope not. i mean, obviously the strongest hope is that he wasn't able to pass on any germs to them in the short time he was there. and they're actually going to be okay. the policy -- the government policy is good. it says no one should go there. the area around their island is protected. it needs to be policed better. i hope this tragic incident will stop anybody else from going
there and make sure the government revokes this strange change of order they issued in june and polices the area better to stop any adventurers or missionaries ever getting there again. >> sophie, thank you. we'll be right back. oprah: 1 out of 8 americans struggles with hunger. this season you can help. now through december 29th for every o, that's good!™ pizza, soup or side you purchase we'll donate a meal to feeding america®. because o, that's good!™
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