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♪ than when we'd first begun [ cheers and applause ] remembering the life of the 41st president of the united states, that is where we start this day on "cnn newsroom." i'm george howell. >> i'm natalie allen. welcome to our viewers here in the united states and around the world. funeral plans are set for george herbert walker bush who died friday nights just months after the death of his wife barbara earlier this year. mr. bush was 94. >> at the white house, the place where president bush shent four years of his life in service, the u.s. flag flying at half staff. it's 4:00 a.m. eastern time. in houston, texas, a red, white
and blue wreath is hung. >> services begin monday for three days the public will be able to pay respects as his body lies in state at the capitol building in washington. on wednesday, a national day of mourning will come together for the state funeral. the funeral service will be held thursday in houston, texas, where the former president lived then he will be laid to wrest at george h.w. bush presidential library beside his beloved wife, barbara bush. when george bush passed away on friday were friends and family. >> among them were kneel bush, his wife maria, grandson pierce bush. his son and grandsons spoke with reporters shortly after mr. bush died. >> his sense of service with humility, giving credit to others, lifting others by looking for the best in others.
those real character values that are so deeply embodied in him are what i'll carry forward, all the grandkids and i think many americans have been influenced by his positive example. so i'm not mourning, i'm celebrating a life so beautifully well lived. >> he had a heart for waking up others. always had an ability to put himself in the other guy's shoes to an extent that i wish more humans could do because i think the world would be a much better place. so i'll remember much about my grandfather but most of all i'll remember him as the world's greatest grandfather. >> sweet they came out and talked with people. at the end drew near former president bush was increasingly weak. he had a form of parkinson's disease and heart failure. >> we've learned his last word
words to his son former president of the united states george w. bush. our special correspondent has this report. >> reporter: we've learned a lot about the final days and the final moments of former president bush's life. we've been told that in his final hours he was surrounded by his family, his son neil bush, his grandson pierce bush and his best friend james baker, but we've been told that his final words were actually over the phone. there was a speaker phone in the room and he was speaking to his son, former president george w. bush who we call 43, and his son said to him, dad, you've been a wonderful father and president bush sr. responded, i love you, too. and those were his final words before he passed.
the story is also very poignant because there is endless fascination about the relationship between these two men. each one of them used to say to me, jamie, don't ask about our relationship. we're not into psycho babble, but the fact of the matter is they were very close. we recently spoke to former president george w. bush about their relationship. give me some words to describe your father. >> humble. driven. competitive. willing to listen to the other person. great listener. thoughtful. and a person who cared deeply about others who hurt. one of the more very dramatic words for me came on september 14th at the national cathedral,
was very fearful of bursting out in tears and the country didn't need to see the president bursting out. i felt his hand reach across laura and grab my arm, just a small gesture, but it meant a lot to me. it was a very sweet moment of fairly love. >> we know that president george w. bush, the son in fact will be one of the eulogists at the national cathedral. the bush men are known to be emotional, that they cry easily. and no question when he is memorializing and celebrating his father's life on wednesday it's going to be a very emotional speech. jamie gangkel, cnn, washington, d.c. let's bring in presidential historian mike purdy now from seattle, washington. it's good to have you with us,
mr. purdy. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. good to be with you. >> i believe you said politics did not come natural for president bush. but he pulled it off, didn't he? what did he have that helped him succeed? >> he pulled it off. he was at the right place at many times. he was helped by his upbringing. his father was a u.s. senator from connecticut and bush just seemed to rise at the right point, at the right time, but what he lacked is what he called the vision thing. he was known for his being adept at foreign policy but less so at domestic policy, which is one of the things that probably sank his re-election hopes. he was seen as out of touch with the common people. there's the classic debate in 1992 where he's asked, what's the impact of the recession on you personally? and he was very defensive and gave a non-answer, whereas bill
clinton was really empathizing with the questioner. >> yes, i remember during his presidency i was anchoring at cnn back then. we didn't see him that much on the domestic front but then again he rose to the occasion international internationally. we certainly know his achievements there with the reunification of germany and taking back kuwait from saddam hussein. he personally pulled together the coalition for the gulf war. >> he certainly did. he was a great collaborator, consensus builder. he lived in an era where there was morrisseyville lit at this in government. he saw government as service. he dedicated so many of his years to service. it's very different today, of course, isn't it? where civility and compromise and consensus are kind of dirty
words. they're not used. it's a very polarized world we live in today. bush in some ways is the last of these states men who is able to develop these coalitions. >> yes. you've got to wonder if the republican party can ever find another person kind of like george bush. you would think maybe we could get there. i want to ask you about the friendship between democrat bill clinton and mr. bush and what lessons can we learn today from that era, mr. bush's civility and decency as well? >> right. i think your word decency is what i would use to characterize bush most, that he had a basic common sense of decency. and i think it's a very heartwarming story of bush and bill clinton's reconciliation and more the reconciliation, a
very deep friendship that developed after their presidencies and this comes after a very bitter 1992 campaign where bush called clinton a bozo and it was not a good campaign. sometimes in the heat of politics people say things that maybe they couldn't mean to say, but i think it shows that this reconciliation between clinton and bush, that we can work together, we can work together across political ideologies. >> well, as a presidential historian, i know you have a book coming out entitled "fat head, 101 insults by presidents about the president." there are that many insults out there. i think president bush might have had something negative to say about the current president. he not only called clinton a bozo but talk to us about the insults between presidents. >> there's more than 101, i'm
keeping the book to 101. maybe there will be another book with more, but bush's opinion of the current president was not good. he called president trump a blowhard and in fact you've got bush who was the former republican party chair, a republican through and through his whole political life and yet in 2016 he did not vote for republican donald trump, he voted for the democrat, hillary clinton. but we've seen insults throughout history. donald trump did not invent the art of the political insult, but he has certainly brought it to a higher, much more vitriolic level than we've ever seen before. you can look at some between john adams and thomasever zone was certainly not good. william howard taft and theodore roosevelt was pretty vitriolic.
the title "fathead" is what theodore roosevelt accused taft of being having the brains of a guinea pig. >> i'll look forward to that. that's why it's rewarding to talk about mr. bush and the kind of person he was. we appreciate you. >> my pleasure. that's interesting. the insults, they went back and forth. at the same time, you found the presidents had a relationship between the rhetoric. >> nice. >> definitely something nice to see. as we just heard, george h.w. bush had a special relationship with his successor, bill clinton. we look at how they went from bitter rivals to best friends. also ahead here, the
and welcome back to "cnn newsroom." other news we're following today, the u.s. says it will delay hiking tariffs on chinese goods at least for now. that's what came out of a two-hour dinner between u.s. president donald trump and chinese president xi jinping on the sidelines of the g-20 summit in argentina. china agreed to buy more u.s. goods while both sides work towards a comprehensive trade deal over the next 90 days. also hearing from the russian president. vladimir putin saying that he and mr. trump talked briefly on the sidelines of g20 even though mr. trump had canceled that formal meeting earlier. he said they discussed the recent confrontation between ukrainian ships and the russian navy. so some big issues discussed and we are following both angles this hour. steven jeung live in beijing and matthew chance live in the russian capitol of moscow.
steven, let's start with you on the progress that seems to have been made by these leaders on tariffs. now rather than more tariffs, seems they're putting tariffs on ice. >> reporter: that's right, george, but it's a pause in case lags, not in the trade war. remember, the existing tariffs from both countries on billions of dollars of imports from each other, they're still very much in place. now they say the devil is in the details. the one detail a lot of people will be focusing on in the coming months is that 90-day negotiating period you just mentioned because these talks will focus on the core demands from mr. trump. that is, china needs to change its economy structurally and stop the unfair trade practices against the u.s. that means china needs not only to buy more from the u.s. but stop stealing u.s. intellectual property and stop subsidizing its companies and industries. these are long resistant by mr. xi and its government because they view this as a strategic
move of the u.s. to stop the global rise of china. it's still difficult to see a mutual agreement but mr. trump wants the market to rally and mr. xi is said to be under mounting pressure domestically because of the slowing economy here and some would also argue he's probably just buying time. no matter the reasons, george, at least in the short run this temporary deal will probably make a lot of people breathe a sigh of relief, but american farmers, chinese manufacturers and consumers around the world, george. >> certainly it is a change from what we've seen before. steven, thank you. now our colleague, matthew chance. matthew, the president said he canceled his official meeting with the russian president, as he said, because of what's happening in ukraine, but we do understand through mr. putin that mr. putin made his position known to president trump. so they did speak.
again, we're hearing from the russian president. >> translator: yes, that's right. there was always going to be despite the fact that the president canceled the head-to-head meeting, there was always going to be an impromptu opportunity. there was some disappointment expressed by the kremlin initially when they saw this tweet extraordinarily from donald trump saying that that meeting had been canceled because of the naval confrontation in ukraine that initially brushed it off. they then issued a statement that they are not sitting down to discuss these two countries could lead to more mentions around the world. there was an opportunity, we're told now, by the kremlin, for these two leaders to exchange words. take a listen to what vladimir
putin said occurred. >> translator: of course we were there. i answered president trump's questions about the black sea incident. he has his position on that and i have mine and we didn't change those positions but i informed him how we viewed the incident. i think it's a pity we didn't succeed in having a full-fledged meeting because i think the time is right. >> reporter: well, what the russians have also said, look, we still are keen for a full-fledged meeting moving forward. they're still expecting to have a head-to-head meeting at some point in the future. one of the other issues that wasn't discussed and may well be the reason for this cancellation is the fact that trump's business dealings in russia have once again fallen under the spotlight with revelations from his former lawyer, michael cohen, negotiations to build a trump tower building into moscow
went on much longer, into the campaign, than had previously been admitted. that added additional pressure on president trump. >> though it seems the russian president controlling the narrative coming out of the g 20 and the questions of russia, matthew, continue to loom large in the united states. matthew chance and steven jeung, thank you both for the reporting. we'll keep in touch with you. let's talk more about what they did discuss with scott lucas. he teaches politics at the university of birmingham in england. thank you for being with us. certainly president trump canceled a news conference because of the death of president bush. that may be why we're hearing more from the russians than the americans right now, but the big headline, the u.s. and china arriving at a tariff truce or a pause in the escalation. how important was this breakthrough? >> it makes for an important headline but it's not an
important breakthrough. let's be very clear. what both sides wanted was a photo out of the g20 and some statement that we weren't going to a full escalation of the trade war. if you look at what was agreed, was not very much. it's going to delay a rise in the tariffs, not a removal of the tariffs, delaying a rise in the tariffs from 10% to 25% on chinese products. that was due on january 21st. china has said, we'll buy more u.s. products but has given no specific amount and to add to all of this, what the white house has said is, okay, we're going to renew trade negotiations on issues like intellectual property, on the claims that the chinese have been stealing technology. if we're not happy with those negotiations within 90 days, we're going to resume 259% tariff level. so it is a bit, i think your correspondents will it right, a bit of breathing space right now because the tariffs have been
affected on both sides. especially in the united states and the markets. so it was rattling investors and the markets. we hope that both sides, especially a man on his twitter feed, can refrain from inflammatory statements. >> there are negotiations to be had. we'll continue forward. president trump as far as meetings with other leaders, he avoided the crown prince of saudi arabia and vladimir putin. we know they talked informally. in doing so he did not tackle head on the death of mr. khashoggi, the journalist, or russia's dealings with ukraine at a certain depth level. was that a missed opportunity? >> oh, it's just because donald trump was effectively boxed in. let's be very clear, the russians have put their statement out that their priority was a one on one with putin and trump. they're looking to box flump for example on ukraine.
what they have done is not only continued to hold the ukrainian and the sailors that they seized. vladimir people continue saying the war, he did call it wia war as soon as the government is in kiev. he said the united states, specifically donald trump, has given up any leverage over saudi arabia's crown prince, mohamed bin salman over the murder of jamal khashoggi and that means that pressure for a cease-fire of yemen where saudi arabia is a player in that conflict is gone. there is one image that will stay with me, on the first day when vladimir putin and mohamed bin salman had a high five. what's happened to my two best friends? that man is donald trump. saw the picture. want to talk to you about one
thing is being said that the president, mr. trump, was seen as less disruptive. his protectionism views not as prominent. that allowed for a final communique which didn't happen with asian leaders. did they side step some issues getting there? >> well, the americans are off to the side of climate change. the u.s. is outside the shop. because you had the headline ceremony or attempted ceremony with china and mexico about the revised nafta, you didn't get a break -- you know, a falling apart between allies over that. donald trump was muted for two reasons. one, there really wasn't any space for him to take the lead at this summit apart from possibly the talks with china and secondly because he's rattled about what's happening back at home, which is the trump/russia zblegs scott lucas, we always appreciate your insight. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. ahead, more on the two who
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the life of george herbert walker bush. his death friday at 94 years old marks the end of an era. i'm george howell. >> i'm natalie allen. he was the last president to have served in world war ii. the oldest living president in the u.s. history and a patriarch of an american political dynasty. >> he led the united states through the tumultuous times. mr. bush dedicated his life to public service. >> memorial services begin on monday when he lies in state at the capitol building. on wednesday a national day of mourning family, friends, and dignitaries will gather for a state funeral in washington. another funeral will be held thursday in houston where mr. bush lived. one of the most complex and remarkable relationships in president bush's life was the relationship with the former president bill clinton. despite their political differences, the two developed a
strong bond after leaving the white house. >> president clinton wrote an op ed in the washington post saturday calling his relationship with the man he succeeded one of the great gifts of his life. cnn's suzanne malveaux has more about it. >> reporter: president george w. bush often jokes calling president bill clinton a brother from another mother but also with his father as well. it was a bitter fight back in 1992 and essentially it was bush sr. who called president clinton at the timing during that race a bozo. it was also his son later who would publicly criticize clinton saying that he would usher in a new era into the white house, one with integrity, that being a reference to bill clinton's scandal and impeachment that actually had haunted him and so they were very critical of him, but then something happened, something changed and that was george w. bush's victory in 2000, that controversial
victory. just days afterwards he reached out to president bill clinton. the two of them had a lunch, 90 minutes or so, in washington. they both ate a bit of humble pie, we are told, and buried the hatchett and then it just grew from there. one of the key things that happened is he asked and tasked both president clinton and his father to try to come up with in february 2005 a relief effort for the tsunami that hit southeast asia killing tens of thousands of people a massive effort, whether or not they would be able to raise money as well. they were able to raise millions and millions of dollars in that effort. this was just after -- shortly after his first term and then months later is when katrina hit. that was in late august and again he tasked his father and president clinton to try to raise private donations to try to help out in that relief effort. at the time he was undergoing a great deal of criticism for his
administration's slow response to hurricane katrina. those two presidents sat down with me at the white house at the time and defended his administration. >> there are some people at the new orleans convention center who say that they have been living like animals, no food, no water, no power and they are the ones who are saying, where are the buss? where are the planes? why did it take three days to see a real federal response here? mr. bush, you, whether it's fair or not, had gone through some criticism about your handling of hurricane andrew. >> i sure did. >> do you believe this is legitimate? >> yes, i do. what happened, we were all -- not legitimate. i believe that they ought not to be as upset but i can understand why they are. i believe the administration is doing the right thing and i believe they have acted in a timely fashion. and i understand that people are being critical. it happens all the time and i understand some people wanted to
make, you know, a little difficulty criticizing the president, the team, but i don't went to cisicitsit here and not the administration for taking all right steps. they're facing problems nobody could foresee. breaking of the levies, the whole thing over in new orleans coming apart. people couldn't for see that. >> i think that's important to point out because when you -- when you say, well, they should have done this, that or the other thing first, you can look at that problem in isolation and you can say that, but look at all the other things they had to deal with. i'm telling you, nobody thought this was going to happen like this. what's happened here is they escaped -- new orleans escaped katrina but it ran all the water up the mississippi river. when it started running out and that levy broke, they had problems nobody could ever have seen. we need to recognize there's a
competent effort underway. people are doing the best they can. i don't think it's the time to worry about that. we need to get people out of there and alive. president clinton said it was the greatest gift of his life to work with president george h.w. bush. they would play golf to raise money for various charities as well. most recently what we saw is a tweet from president bush, a visit from clinton. this was in june this year when he had his own book tour. the two of them smiling, laughing, joking wearing his colorful socks he's been known to do. president clinton on his socks introducing him to his service dog sully. a very rare, rare example of bipartisanship and simply meeting and developing a friendship that really turned into love. suzanne malveaux, cnn, houston,
texas. let's get some context now with lori cox hahn. lori wrote a book, "presidency up staged, the public leadership of president bush." thank you for your time. >> thanks for having me. >> with the passing of this president the prevailing narrative is summed up like humility, mission. it comes in sharp contrast to the politics of the day. it looks back at touch points that rounded out mr. bush's presidency as you did in your book. the main focus was on the style of communication at the time. >> right. his style was very different than his predecessor, ronald regan. it's not very easy to follow the great communicator into the presidency. i was interested in his legacy since he preceded president
clinton who was the first baby boomer president and was so skillful in using media. he was very substantive and he did care about the messages that came out of the white house and really cared about the people who would be listening to him and how his words would affect people, but his style was just so different than ragan because he was really committed to moving away from the stage craft of the ragan years. >> i want to talk more about the differences about the president that came before him and the president that came after him. in your research in creating this book, were there things that surprised you about george h.w. bush? >> i think one of the most interesting things that i discovered is that they had a very intense communication strategy. i mean, there was a lot of attention and a lot of effort put into this as has been the case for quite some time and that they were very concerned with how president bush was being portrayed in media really
across the country and they wanted to show a very positive image of him, but the news industry itself was changing so dramatically during the four years that he was president that it often seemed he would have been better dealing with the news media in the 1940ed and 1950s instead of this vastly and changing environment especially with the new technologies of the internet and satellite transmissions and everything that was happening during that time period. >> it is quite fascinating to put it in the context coming right off the heels of ronald regan, but there were breakout moments when you think back to the campaign of 1988, mr. bush remembered for running a very aggressive campaign, unlike anything that had been seen before from republicans at the time but then as president there were things about his style that he pointed out that seemed to fall short in connecting with voters who elected him. >> yeah. i think one of the things that was probably most frustrating to
them, i certainly found it in my research, is whenever he gave a major address really up until late 1991 into 1992, a lot. news media coverage always compared him to ragan. even after he had been president two or three years there was still this benchmark about how ragan would give the state of the union or major address. he was always being compared to that where his style was just so different. he was never going to be that kind of communicator. the media environment hindered him from being able to develop his own style and be a little bit more comfortable and have people appreciate that more just because of that long shadow cast by president ragan. >> again, it is interesting to look at what it meant coming after president ragan and then bush and then the former president clinton. his style unlike anything that had been seen as well. looking at voters directly in
the eye, connecting with the personal message that said i feel your pain. tell us about the clinton contrast with bush during the campaign and how different was that in the election? >> yeah. it made a big difference. there are the famous scenes from the debates in the 2358 of 1992, the one where bush is seen looking at his watch. i always say, well, he was president at the time. i presume he had a lot of other important things that he needed to do, not that the debate wasn't important, but between clinton's ease and comfort walking into the audience and talking to people or ross perrot apes comments. what we expect in presidents and comments, bush wasn't the greatest campaigner but those aren't necessarily the skills that you need to be an effective president. >> lori, thank you so much for your time.
>> thank you. and one of the things that george h.w. bush is remembered for is his cool, calm and collected demeanor. >> the former. u.s. president had a lighter side. he wasn't afraid to laugh at himself. on the show "saturday night live" in the u.s. they paid tribute to mr. bush and his sense of humor. >> president bush was famously a very warm and gracious man who always understood the power in being able to laugh at your self. >>,000 points of life still operating coming in from all those areas. not gonna do t. not godda. >> george bush here. i'm watching you do your impression of me and i've got to say, it's nothing like me. there's no resemblance. it's bad. it's bad.
>>. >> sorry, mr. president. >> nagada, i never said it. >> in all of my years of government service i never once said nagada. >> dana garvey who you said there spoofing president bush on snl. he released a statement about the former president saying, this it was an honor and privilege to know and spend time with george h.w. bush for over 25 years. when i think of those times what i remember most is how hard we would laugh. i will miss my friend. revealing another side of the life of the former president george h.w. bush. in 2013 he shaved his head in support of the son of one of his secret service agents 2-year-old patrick. patrick was battling leukemia. >> it was a cause dear to the former president's heart.
he lost his daughter robin to leukemia when she was just three years old. >> we have more ahead on the life and legacy of president george h.w. bush. like his love for adventure. he even took hln's robin meade up in the air on a sky diving trip. more on that. going to extremes for perfect skin? where does it end? new olay whips. while not equal to cosmetic procedures, our b3 complex hydrates to smooth skin. injections? rejected. beautiful skin? accepted olay.
it was a great, exhilarating feeling. i don't feel a day over 84. >> he's amazing. that's former president bush 2009. he had just made a parachute jump to celebrate his 85th birthday. who can do that? that of course would not be the last time he went on a sky dive. >> just full of energy. excited to do it. he loved the adventure. he also celebrated his 90th
birthday parachuting out of a helicopter in maine. that jump in 2014 was his eighth and final sky dive. over the years he invited others to join him on thighs birthday jumps. >> hln anchor, robin meade, took him up on the offer. she rode with him on the plane and the two took their turn sky diving. she spoke with our wolf blitzer about that experience. >> he was so human, compassionate, funny, smart and engaged. you know, even at 85 then. there's all kinds of tape of us jumping and the interviews have been played. the things that were behind the scenes really stick out in my mind, for example, when it came time to jump i started to panic because i did an interview beforehand. i was thinking about the questions. i started to panic on the plane and he saw it and i asked, where's the oxygen? somewhere there is a picture of
the two of us together with oxygen masks on so i could get settled down before the jump. he didn't have to do that. he knew how to jump. he was so compassionate that you could see that he was not going to make me huff the oxygen alone. there we were. that day, wolf, it was rainy. we were going to jump on a postage size stamp of land. there was a church steeple, a flag pole, all kinds of things going on and they needed a hole in the weather. we were broadcasting it live so everything was about timing and he asked the guys, hey, guys, i want to show robin my boat. could you fly around and tilt the plane so i could show her my boat. and i said, mr. bush, i can clearly see the boat. mr. bush, why do you need 900 horsepower? to beat the guy with 800 horsepower. i think it's evidence of a man
who was competitive, even at the age of 85. he needed the horsepower to beat the guy that had 800. and i just love that about him because you need to be competitive in nature if you're ever going to run for office. he still had that. he still had that. >> great reflection, isn't it? >> it is. >> and robin took the opportunity during her time with the president to ask him about his legacy. here it is. >> now that you're 85 are you thinking about the l word, legacy. >> i'm thinking about the l word being life, life itself. but, no, i think my view on legacy, let the historians figure out what i screwed up and figure out what i got right. >> george h.w. bush at the age of 94 years old. so this christmas, take care of the hands that take care of you.
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france's interior minister said huge crowds of troublemakers turned out during peaceful demonstrations over rising fuel costs in the country, and a government spokesman said measures are being considered to curb anymore violence including possibly imposing a state of emergency. for weeks demonstrators have demanded lower gas prices and economic reforms. they call themselves yellow vests for the reflective gear motorists are required to keep in their car. in the nation of mexico, there is a new leader in town. he has officially been sworn in as the nation's new president. he took the oath of office on saturday. he becomes mexico's first leftist leader in decades. the former leader vowed to inform the nation by fighting corruption, crime and poverty. u.s. secretary of state mike pompeo is accusing iran of testing a medium range ballistic
missile. he says the test violates a u.n. security council resolution which bans iran from engaging in any activity related to ballistic missiles capable of delivering nuclear weapons, but reports say iran denies its test violates u.n. resolutions and calls the test defensive. and here in the united states and around the world remembering the life of the late president george hw bush. we're getting more information about memorial services to come. >> here's how it will go. starting on monday, the public will be able to pay respects for three days as his body lies in state at the capitol building there in washington. on wednesday, a national day of mourning. family, friends, dignitaries alike all coming together for a state funeral president trump and his wife will attend. >> another funeral service will be held thursday in houston where the former president lived, his beloved houston. his final resting place will be
the george h.w. bush presidential library beside his wife barbara. thank you for watching "cnn newsroom." i'm natalie allen. >> and i'm george howell. thank you for being with us. again, we continue to remember the life of the former president, george h.w. bush here on cnn. for fewers in the u.s. and around the world, "new day" is next. thank you for being with us. xfinity mobile is a new wireless network
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when you buy a new smartphone. xfinity mobile. it's simple. easy. awesome. click, call or visit a store today. the 41st president of the united states, george h.w. bush, has died. >> i, george herbert walker bush, do solemnly swear. >> we are americans. peace and security, freedom and the rule of law. >> i love being president. love working at trying to help people do themselves proud. >> what did you discuss with him? >> come on. >> thank you. >> we had no discussion. >> tried again to muck around in our elections this last month and we are seeing a continued effort