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this case. busy day of breaking news. i appreciate your patience. "amanpour" up next internationally. for our viewers in the united states, brianna keilar up next. have a good afternoon. i'm brianna keilar live from cnn's washington headquarters. underway right now, lawmakers cut a deal, but is the price right for president trump? plus, she apologized for being offensive. he never apologizes for being offensive, and now the president is calling on a freshman democrat to resign from congress. the verdict is in for "el chapo" and words coming back to haunt her. a trump judicial nominee atones for her past comments on date rape. we head off border security
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three days before the possibility of another government shutdown, but is it a deal the president will accept? here's what he said a short time ago. >> i hope there won't be a shutdown. i am extremely unhappy with what the democrats have given us. it's sad.tsave given us. it's sad. they're doing the country no favor. they are hurting our country very badly. but we certainly don't want to see a shutdown. but you'll be hearing fairly soon. the bottom line is, on the wall, we're building the wall, and we're using other methods other than this and in addition to this. we have a lot of things going. >> let's talk about what is in this deal here. there is just over $1.3 billion for new border barriers. funding for i.c.e. to house more than 45,000 in detention centers, and a $1.7 billion increase for the department of homeland security. for the building barriers, there is a prohibition against making
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concrete walls. they can also use only existing materials, which means it has to be like fencing that already exists along some part of the border. we have ileana johnson to talk about all of this, along with dana bash. what do you think of what he said? >> he's not happy, and that's probably an understatement. think of the very rocky journey this country has been on watching the government partially shut down, knowing that 800,000 federal employees didn't get paid. maybe they're getting back pay, but a lot of contractors are never going to get paid. to what end? the president is getting, assuming that he signs this deal, and we can't really officially assume anything, although he leaned pretty far into it when he spoke it last hour -- he's getting less than he could have gotten had he
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actually continued negotiations and really rolled up his sleeves. he's getting less. it's remarkable. >> it is. what do you make of all this, ileana, in terms of the president trying to spin what has happened here and also the pressure that he's getting from the right? >> i don't think the president is trying to spin very much right now. we heard him say the last hour he is not happy with this deal for the reasons that dana outlined. i think there are two open questions right now. the first is does the president sign this deal. there were many indications over the past couple days he was prepared to sign whatever deal congress came up with. that's now not clear. the second open question is, what sort of executive action, if any, does the president take? is it a national emergency or something that stops short of that? what i have been hearing from sources at the white house over the past several weeks is that the president was inclined to do both, sign a deal and take some sort of executive it action,
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becau because. >> i'm hearing the same thing ileana is hearing, but it's important to separate the idea of executive action, which could be taking pots of money that they've been looking at, we've been reporting from the department of homeland security, from the pentagon to build more of a wall. that versus declaring a national emergency. all of that has potential pitfalls in the courts, but declaring a national emergency is a big pitfall. not only could judges try to stop it, but they could stop it in congress. not every democrat is opposed to money for a border wall. congressman matt cartwright from virginia says he favors building a wall where it makes sense. congressman cartwright, thank you for being with us today.
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>> i'm doing great, brianna. >> what do you think of this deal that was brokered on the hill? >> we haven't gotten a lot of details. but they do have aan idea that' not acceptable. a government shutdown is not acceptable. it's about the safety and security of the people we love when they go up and fly in jetliners. the american traffic controllers are not coming to work, that affects our safety, and we can't shut the government down just because people can't make a deal. i congratulate the appropriaters who understand the give and take, the push and pull of negotiation and compromise.
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i'm so glad they left it up to appropriaters to work out this deal, and let's go forward with it and make it work. >> we get it done. that's kind of the rap on capitol hill. the devil is always in the details, but we do know some numbers here. $1.375 billion for barrier funding. is that enough? >> it may be. what i've always been in favor of is evidence-based spending. for people who don't spend enough t a border fwraul are most of this land is privately owned. that means the government would have to buy this property and pay fair market value to put
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property on or whatever. i got elected to congress on a promise that i would fight to keep government expenditures reasonable and appropriate, not to waste money. i served six years on the oversight committee fighting to combat. i think all of us have tanl p. let's make sure we're spending money wisely aand be cost prohibitive. >> folks may not go for that market value, as you said. i'd like to talk about something we heard the president say. he's shifting his market strategy from build the wall. he's now saying finish the wall. we saw that last night in el paso. what do you make of that shift which it's not accurate, so what do you make of it? >> i don't pay a whole lot of attention to the words and phrases that come from the white
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house. i think what is important at the end of the day, when the ink dries, what is written on the paper that everybody signed? i do hope the president goes ahead and signs the deal so we don't go into another shutdown for the reasons i've already described, but also, you know, evidently he does have other options if he wants to plus up money here and there. >> what do you think about executive action, though, him declaring an emergency, something like that? >> declaring an emergency is an obviously extreme thing. when i think about the issues involved here, there is one emergency and it is the opioid crisis. it is the thing that affects every state and every county and every town, village. we have opioids coming in and wrecking lives and hurting famili families. and we know that something like
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90% of the drugs coming in come in through the ports of entry. one of the things i've been saying again and again is we need to beef up the scanning technology at the ports of entry. if you look at the money already being spent, it's about retrofitting legacy technology. in other words, writing software so that the old equipment there can do a better job of scannin , the trucks and buses coming in. any time you hear legacy technology, you know that money is being wasted. what we ought to do is go in and buy new technology because then you have competition, you have all the market forces in play, and you know you're getting a better bang for your buck. let's have the cutting edge technology at our border scanning and keeping out all of those horrible drugs coming in and killing our kids in this country. >> i want to get your reaction on another remark the president said on something that's gotten a lot of attention coming off
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the hill there. democratic congresswoman ilhan omar apologized for a tweet on an anti-semitic trope. this is the president's reaction a few minutes ago. >> congresswoman omar, it's terrible what she said, and i think she should either resign from congress or she should certainly resign from the house foreign affairs committee. what she said is so deep-seated in her heart that her lame apology -- that's what it was, it was lake, ame, and she didn'n a word of it. it's just not appropriate. i think she should resign from congress, but certainly she should not be on committees, that committee. >> what do you think about him saying that? >> brianna, i have a couple thoughts there.
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number one, ilhan omar is a brand new member of congress, still trying to find her feet. she's here about 45 days now and people make mistakes. she apologized for it. i have to tell you, brianna, i couldn't be prouder of top democratic leadership for insist, that she apologize for those bad remarks that she had, i guess, tweeted. i couldn't be prouder of top democratic house leadership for asking her and making her apologize for that, and she did apologize. in my book, that's an apology that should be accepted. there are all different kinds of philosophies and opinions about everything in congress. but sometimes people step over the line. she did in that occasion. she apologized. i say we accept the apology and we move on. >> congressman cartwright, thank you so much for joining us. >> my pleasure.
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>> ileana johnson, dana bash bacchuk with us now. i always worry about the president being the messenger. >> you think? >> he said it's so deep-seated in her heart. she traveled in tropes and talked to jewish donors. >> i'm not sure about anti-semitic tropes in connection with the president, but there are offensive things he's said about people. pocahontas. let's start there. sure, he tries to be flip when he says it about elizabeth warren, but where is the apology to native americans? and that's just off the top of my head. we can go on and on and on and on. he's not wrong. i think congressman cartwright was very elegance in explaining what happened. this is absolutely unacceptable.
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but her leadership came down on her, she apologized, and now we see what happens from here. but the messenger is a little too rich. >> republicans are seeing an opportunity, though. you see what's happening in virginia with the governor and the blackface controversy. they're seeing a moment to turn what became a weakness for them. >> that's exactly right. the house majority leader kevin mccarthy got an enormous amount of pressure to come down on steve king and he said he didn't understand about white supremacy. now when he is bringing the message, he's pulling out the
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ranks, and democrats, will you do the same? i think that's a pretty effective argument. it was effective when mccarthy did it. >> ileana, dana, thank you so much. big news out of new york. a jury delivering their verdict for "el chapo." he is one of the most notorious drug wars. one hour pickup order?
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we do have some breaking news. a new york city jury calling "el chapo" guzman guilty of engaging in a continuing criminal enterprise and he now faces the
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possibility of life in prison. we have sonia moga who was inside the courtroom. sonia, this was an 11-week trial. there was a whole lot of testimony about awful things. unspeakable torture, murder, corruption at every level of the mexican government. drugs, guns, of course. the jury deliberated over 30 hours over six days. you were watching all this. tell us about it. >> reporter: absolutely. hundreds of hours of testimony to sit through. some of it gruesome but some of it actually kind of boring, and when the u.s. district judge brian keoghan read out the victims, he took the time to thank the jurors for spending so much careful time paying attention. he said it made him, frankly, proud to be an american the way
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they conducted themselves. many of these jurors, before the trial began, many of them in the jury pool expressed fear for being part of this jury. the jurors are anonymous, but we were able to see their faces in court, "el chapo" guzman was able to see their faces in court, so there was that potential fear in the back of their minds. they did deliberate for quite some time which led people to wonder if there might be some acquittals or if the jury might be hung on certain counts. one of them a very complicated count, the continuing criminal enterprise count. it's a count i talked to federal prosecutors about. they say it's so complicated that even lawyers can't understand it. a huge victory for prosecutors to get a guilty verdict on that count which alone could mean that guzman would spend his life in prison. he'll be facing his sentencing on june 25th. we'll find out more details about that. in that courtroom, he was emotionless when that verdict was read out. so was his wife, emma cornell,
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who has been a constant presence in the gallery sitting alongside reporters. i asked her moments after the verdict was read, how are you feeling, in spanish. she said, i'm good, thanks. she was emotionless. a member of the defense team tried to bring her some kleenex before the verdict was even read and she declined it, keeping a strong face in this very, very difficult day for that family. >> wow. laura coates, sonia mentioned the sentencing. what can we expect from that? >> a life sentence. this is a 61-year-old man, for one thing. the charges include about 27 or so counts that are wrapped into one. that's why you have this very elaborate way of describing a criminal enterprise. that alone could carry. he has ten convictions at this point in time, ten different charges, not the least of which is one that carries a life sentence. you're talking about somebody who likely will spend the rest of his life in prison.
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what we expect in june, though, are perhaps a lot of victim impact statements. there were lots of gruesome details about what he did, his involvement in a murder, his diamond-encru diamond-encrusted gun. but he wasn't charged with murder. >> we may still have that. >> you'll hear from a witness about the impact of how this has been, the billion-dollar enterprise. this is a man who was speaking very clearly to sustaean penn a couple years ago, talking about how he was able to get cocaine, marijuana, methamphetamine in the entire world. expect to have a judge look at all the details about the enterprise, about the trafficking, the extent of the violence involved in that. that will all be part of the decision-making process. he has at least a lifetime and it's probably consecutive.
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>> wow. laura coates, thank you so much. thank you to our producer sonia mogi as well. we have other breaking news. president trump finally responds to the bipartisan border deal and he says he's not happy. i'll be speaking ahead to the executive deputy at i.c.e. does he think the president should take this deal?
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have a deal on border security, but now it's going to be up to the president whether this deal lives or dies. one key sticking point in the negotiations was the funding level for i.c.e., which is immigrations and customs enforcement, and we have matt albentz, the acting deputy director of i.c.e. with us here. you're also executive associate director for enforcement and removal operations. you've been with i.c.e. for 24 years? >> 24 years. >> you know about this. this has been your entire career. the deal is looking -- i know you haven't seen the details, so i know that. but the deal is looking to give i.c.e. a little more flexibility when it comes to funding. in the end there would actually be an increase in funding that would allow the number of beds to increase, maybe as high as 60,000 people in detention centers. that's obviously a jump from what you have right now. what do you think about that? >> i think that provision holds promise. i think giving i.c.e. the ability and flexibility to
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manage its beds that it needs to meet the operational requirements of our detention needs and needs to the rest of the border is critical to the process. the biggest problem i.c.e. had was trying to place a cap on the amount of beds that could be used. that places a huge risk and something we cannot have. >> so is that something with your expertise you could stand behind and say to the president, this fits our needs? >> i would say that we have gotten over that hurdle if there is no limitation on how i.c.e. manages its beds and we have funding for the number of beds we actually need, for this provision, yes. whatever else is contained, i don't know, there could be other things that are problematic. >> do you feel i.c.e. has been heard from lawmakers and the white house? have lawmakers consulted with you, has i.c.e. consulted with
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you? >> i'm a career official not involved in the political spectrum, but they certainly do come to us for our opinions with regard to what the impact of any certain legislation may be. >> i know one of your concerns when it comes to limiting that cap on beds -- and of course, i know that you can only have as many beds as you can afford, right, that's why the budget is so important. but i know one of your concerns you've talked about has been if you actually had an overflow and you would have to release people. you talk about releasing violent criminals. is there room to release offenders who are non-violent criminals, because there are a lot of them in detention? >> there are a lot that i.c.e. releases annually. we've released 160,000 people so far this year for a myriad of reasons. it could be a humanitarian issue and there is a medical issue that doesn't make them suitable for detention.
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it could be there is a judge's order for release. not all of this lies with i.c.e. 72% of the people we had in custody, congress has already declared them to be subject to mandatory detention. in other words, they said these individuals posed a flight or safety risk, and therefore, needed to be detained. >> when you look at the increase in asylum seekers, it's a 72% increase, which is huge. how does that fit in to what you think congress needs to do in order to address what you see as a problem? >> we've been maintaining for years that these are problems that are largely solvable by congress. the border patrol is managing 13,000 family members a month. we were able to release less than 3,000. most of them are coming through the ports of entry.
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>> so we hear they're trying to sneak over the border -- >> they come directly over the border, they turn themselves in to bored he wider patrol, becau know we don't have the capacity to hold these individuals. we have released 4,000 family members since december. there are over 30,000 turning themselves in to border patrol requesting asylum. >> but officials and humanitarian officials say that the bar is actually not low and that the reason there are more people coming in is because of the violence. you're looking at el salvador, honduras, venezuela. we're talking about some of the most dangerous nations in the world. >> only about 10% of people that come from those countries and claim asylum or follow through with asylum claims actually receive asylum. so the initial fear threshold for that initial claim is an extremely low bar. congress knows all of this. >> you're seeing only 10% -- >> that actually succeed in an
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asylum claim in front of an asylum judge. >> how does that make the bar too low initially? >> it's a combination of things. >> they're waiting to see if their claim will actually be accepted and if they'll be granted that status. >> they say a couple key phrases that reaches through the credible threshold. they're then released. half of those individuals actually never follow through with an asylum claim. those that do, only a small percentage of those actually get an asylum claim in front of a judge. 10% of them actually receive asylum. so you're getting 30,000 fraudulent or ineligible asylum claimants at the border every month. >> if you're looking at somewhere like new york, asylum is granted at a much higher rate. >> judges have discretion to look at the evidence in front of them. that's a separate thing, but i think if you look across the
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board with the vast number of asylum seekers -- >> i guess my point is don't they have a reason? many of the people who are seeking -- because you've seen this trend toward individuals, male individuals, and now families. you're seeing a different customer, if you will, for refuge in the united states. doesn't that tell you that they're actually fleeing something? you say they say some key phrases which means you're really casting doubt on whether their claim is real. >> the statistics cast doubt on that because 10% are only actually receiving asylum. they're coming because they know they can gain -- >> you said 80% would actually meet the standard for what asylum would be. you said judges have discretion and it's also arbitrary. >> judges have discretion, but statistics show 10% actually receive it. what you have is a situation where individuals are coming here because they know, especially family units, that there is no way for i.c.e. to detain them.
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we don't have the authorization or the funding in which to do so. and they will be released into the interior of the country and most of them don't even show up for their hearing. >> sir, that's not true. that's not true. >> let me explain to you. we ran a project with doj try to accelerate this docket for family units so we could limit the number coming to the border. in the past six months, 600 cases were completed by doj on these families. 2500 of them ended up in removal orders which means 90% of the people did not show up. >> the family case management, there was a 110% attendance in court that they had. i'm not saying -- there's still a lot of people who are not showing up for court, right? >> we have hundreds of thousands fugitives right now. >> there were thousands of migrants that showed up for
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court hearings, not just migrants in general. this is overall. i mention that case management system. those numbers have to do with the total number of migrants who are released pending court appearances and also the higher number for asylum seekers. >> right. so what you have to look at is many of these cases drag on for years. so individuals will show up for the first hearing, second hearing, third hearing, and then attendance in compliance with those hearings gradually taper off. especially when they get to the point where they realize they will be ordered removed and their claims don't become valid. we have 75,000 fugitives. that means those that have been through the process are removed. >> i would love to talk about the statistics with you off the record. thank you very much. >> thank you. one of trump's nominees are
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disputes over regulations, including those involving sex discrimination in the work force. and those comments raise broader concerns about the nominee's views of equality between men and women and equal opportunity. and fundamentally, she reinforced some of her views when she even testified last week. she tried to distance herself from those 1990s writings, but she said over and over that she had been voicing common sense observations that women shouldn't drink to excess, perhaps maybe they should watch what they wear. you know, she was sort of almost reinforcing an angle that -- >> victim blaming. >> yes, victim blaming even though she kept saying i'm not blaming the victim. this letter that came out six days later, she said, i was not blaming the victim. i didn't want to convey the idea that women shouldn't drink to excess or should watch what they wear.
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>> this is important to watch, because this isn't just -- you can't look at it in a judicial nomination. >> this d.c. circuit court has been a launching pad for several supreme court justices. most recently brett kavanaugh but also ruth bader ginsburg, chief roberts, orrell thomas. president trump could have his eye on noemi rao for a future court, not just this one. >> thank you for making it always understandable for us. president trump calling on a democratic congresswoman to resign on a tweet that many view as anti-semitic, but he isn't exactly an expert on the art of the apology. and why people are calling congresswoman amy klobuchar trump's worst nightmare.
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the president is weighing in forcefully on a subject that he knows very little about, how to apologize. ilhan omar, one of the first muslim women elected could congress faced major backlash by tweeting that support for israel is bought of the her apology started, anti-semitism is real and i'm grateful for jewish allies who are educating me of the painful history on anti-semitic tropes. she unequivocally apologizes but it wasn't enough for president trump who just said this moments
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ago. >> congressman omar is terrible what she said and you think she should either resign from congress or she should certainly resign from the house foreign affairs committee. what she said is so deep seated in her heart that her lame apology -- and that's what it was -- it was lame and she didn't mean a word of it was just not appropriate. i think she should resign from congress, frankly, but at a minimum she shouldn't be on committees, certainly that committee. >> remember, president trump not once, but twice equated the white supremacists in charlottesville to the protesters speaking out against them. white supremacists who were chanting blood and soil, a nazi phrase for racial purity and this comes from a president who tweeted anti-semitic imagery, no apology. told a group of wealthy jewish donors, quote, i'm a negotiator
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like you and said they donate money to, control your politicians. they were laughed off and dismissed by the jewish politicians he was speaking to. but without saying that he was sorry for doing so and president trump criticizes the congresswoman's apology just a day after mocking the trail of tears, a genocide that killed thousands of native americans in the mid-1800s when they were forced to make a death march largely from their lands in the southeast all the way west of the mississippi river. he invoked that genocide as he tweeted insults at elizabeth warren using the racist slur he constantly uses to describe her. president trump has offended so many people in groups from a gold star family to prisoners of war to immigrants and women en masse and yet he refuses to apologize for any of it. president trump never commented much less condemned another
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tonight on cnn, a presidential town hall live from houston with former starbucks ceo and possible independent presidential candidate howard schultz. schultz has not officially said that he's running yet, but there has already been a huge outcry from some democrats that say he could siphon off votes and hand president trump a victory in 2020. vanessa, what kinds of questions do we expect that schultz is going to face tonight? >> schultz has been preparing all week according to his spokesperson, preparing for those tough questions on things like immigration, health care and gun control and while we don't expect him to make any proposed changes to existing policy, we to expect him to expand on some of those key issues. he's going to be pointing to his time at starbucks as chairman and ceo as having experience with these issues. he credits himself to bringing
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health care to all of his employees at starbucks and he also credits himself to starting the initiative to bring 10,000 refugees in to the company. we know for the past six months or so since he's left star backs that he's actually been traveling across the country talking to different groups of people and even making a trip down to the border. one thing he's acutely aware of, is that he's relatively unknown, a cnn poll that came out last week reported that about half of american don't even know who he is. so he's going to be using tonight to try to connect with those voters who are going to be asking him questions and to really position himself as an alternative to people who he says are disillusioned with both political parties, brianna. >> he's got a pretty amazing story coming from poverty to then being a billionaire, but he's still a businessman, i wonder if you think we'll get a
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sense tonight if the country's open to electing another one. >> oh, for sure. he'll be using that story talking about how he grew up in brooklyn, in public housing, born to working class parents often times relying on food banks to help meet ends but as we know, trump sort of set that precedent for the country being open to electing a businessman, a billionaire, in fact, but the one thing that trump had that howard schultz is still finding is that president trump came out with a big message and he stuck to that message of building this wall. howard schultz hasn't made that splash yet but he's hoping tonight to come out with some things that voters can take away and that will get them more interested in howard schultz as a potential presidential candidate, brianna. >> all right. thank you so much. tonight on cnn watch a special presidential town hall, former
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starbucks ceo independent howard schultz will be live in houston, texas, with poppy harlow talking about the 2020 election that is tonight at 10:00 eastern. and that is it for me. "newsroom" with brooke baldwin starts right now. i'm brooke baldwin. you're watching cnn. thanks for being with me. it looks like we can put those fears of another government shutdown to rest and if you don't believe me, just listen to the president. >> i don't think you're going to see a shutdown. i would never accept if it happens but i don't think it's going to happen. >> that was trump just a bit ago reacting to a deal struck by bipartisan group of lawmakers just days before the deadline to keep the government open. here's what's in this thing. a little over $1.3 billion for a new border barriers, funding for i.c.e. to house more than 45,000 in detention centers and $1.7 billion increase in home


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