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that is it for me. brooke baldwin starts right now. brianna, thank you, i e.j. brooke baldwin. you're watching cnn. thank you for being with me in washington. it appears avoiding shutdown is a done deal. we have a proposal that has the blessing of top republicans and top democrats. we have a vote on that proposal set for tomorrow night in the house, one that speaker pelosi seems confident will get her chamber's approval. >> as with all compromises i say to people support the bill for what is in it, don't judge it for what it is not in it. we can't pass it until it's ready and when it's ready we'll be ready to pass it. >> and we have a president who says he doesn't want the government to close its door
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farce second time. i don't want to see a shultdown, shutdown won a terrible thing. >> so why did trump's press secretary say this earlier today? >> we want to see what the final piece of legislation looks like. it's hard to say whether or not the president will sign it until we know what's in it. >> lisa lehrer is a national reporter for the "new york times." welcome back. two sources who have spoken directly to the president tells cnn he plans to sign the bill. why does it seem the white house is stringing this along? >> with this president you never know if he'll sign something until the ink is on the paper. he's known for changing his mind and there are still some disputes over in congress about reauthorizing the violence against women act, about whether to give contractors back pay for their time off work during the shutdown so this is not quite a done deal by all the signal s
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we're getting feel like it's moving forward. it would be a weak moment for the president. this is the first major event of this year where we are moving into his reelection cycle and he's caving so there is why this is uncertainty among the white house and that's part of why there is a lot of sensety around this legislation. >> the bipartisan deal also falls well short of for $5.7 billion that the president wanted to build the wall but he says he has other options for funding so cnn has identified four including accessing treasury forfeit your funds and rheal locating pend gone funds marked for counternarcotics. they may not require a national emergency. the others are using money for arm core civil work or military construction, we know fellow rains oppose that move so what
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are the president's next steps or is he sort of boxed in? >> we're likely to see two things. the white house and the president is going to spin this as a victory which it is just not. the irony is he could have had a better deal with the last proposal to avoid this shut down entirely. he's not getting the mileage of the wall built that he wants. he's falling far short of the 5.7 but they'll say this is a down payment and what you'll see the white house do is collect money using the powers of the presidency, move money around and then deal with the issue of a national emergency and that is something that would be controversial including within the republican party. there are plenty of republicans from border states, some of whom are up for reelection that don't want the headache of these eminent domain lawsuits and the fight over this thing before
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they go into their reelection and there's a bunch of senators from battleground states who are worried about how this would play in places like colorado so it would be a political headache for sure. >> do you think that this will be fast tracked by the deadline? >> i think if you're going to do it you want to avoid the pain of another shutdown which the polling indicates was not positive for the president's approval rating which sunk to the lowest paint so that's what republicans in congress would like to see. >> lisa lerer, thank you very much. on capitol hill, ilhan omar is firing back at the white house after vice president mike pence joined president trump in condemning a tweet both democrats and republicans say was anti-semitic. the congresswoman tweeting directly to the president writing this, you have trafficked in hate your whole life against jews, muslims,
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indigenous, immigrants, black people and more. i learned from people impacted by my words. when will you. >> now i want to zero on the president's words and actions that have been denounced as anti-semitic in the past. listen too what then-candidate trump said during a 2015 presidential forum sponsored by the republican jewish coalition. >> you won't support me because i don't want your money. you want to control your own politician, that's fine. >> in 2016, the trump campaign released this closing ad, one condemned by the anti-definition league for using anti-semitic imagery, it features george soros, former fed chair janet yellen and lloyd blankfein, all three are jewish while railing against so-called global elites who control power in the united states. >> the establishment has trillions of dollars at stake in this election. for those who control the levers of power in washington and for
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the global special interests, they partner with these people that don't have your good in mi mind. it has robbed our working class, stripped its money of its wealth and put that money into the pockets of a handful of large corporations and political entities. >> and we'll have this conversation. there was this comment in the wake of the charlottesville atta attack. >> they showed up in charlottesville -- excuse me. you had some very bad people in that group. but you had people that were very fine people on both sides. >> just a reminder that one of those sides featured neonazis yelling "jews will not replace us." peter bien heart is a senior columnist for the forward.
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and we have a member of the advisory counsel to elect president trump. general men, welcome. >> thanks. >> to you sir, first. how do you plain that? >> well, it's amazing to me, omar makes this statement and it's 10% on omar and 90% on what trump said in the past. let's stick with omar. >> well, the president said she should resign. that's why -- >> i disagree with that, i totally disagree and i think the calls for resignations on both sides as gotten out of hand and we're going down a bad path when the first amendment withers with free speech. omar may have her own consequences in her district in a year from now if people think she shouldn't be reelected or her leadership could decide they want to take action by the republicans against king but to say she should resign, i
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disagree with that. >> but what about president trump? those clips we played? >> he shouldn't resign, either. >> but is that not the same thing? >> has he said stupid things? absolutely. it's clear but that doesn't take away from the fact of what omar and others have dead. >> so why didn't he denounce -- >> and who they're hanging out with, a la farrakhan. >> why didn't he denounce steve king? >> he was denounced by the republicans in the house. >> and but not directly by the president of the united states. >> he should have said something. but the fact he hasn't isn't the story the story is omar and the fact that the democratic leadership is silent with regard to taken action. >> well they wanted her to apologize and you saw this apology from her. >> republicans went a step further, they took him off as chairman. >> your response? >> there's no parallel between steve king and ilhan omar.
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her tweet -- the subject of -- aipac is an influential lobby group in washington. that should be be able to be discussed because it has to be discussed carefully because there is a long dangerous stereotype of jews nefariously controlling governments with money. she didn't express that sensitivity but the larger issue here is she's trying to talk about opposing a system of state-sponsored bigotry in the west bank in which jews and palestinians who live side by side live under a different law where israeli jews have full rights and palestinians in the west bank have no free movement, no due process, no right to vote for the government that controls their lives. her tweet was mistaken but inhall omar is focused on fighting for human right antsd couldn't be more different than steve king, a bigot across the board. >> so do you think it seems in this case that republicans are more in on this to score points against democrats or what is
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this about? >> about enforcing certain lines about the israel conversation. the reason republicans are upset at ilhan omar and not donald trump, even though those statements by trump were worse than ilhan omars and he hasn't apologized for any is because ilhan omar is a critic of israeli policy which -- and i say this as a committed american jew, someone who has been to israel many, many times since i was a kid -- israeli policy is violating human rights in a serious way. that's what republicans don't want to talk about. >> do you want to respond to that? >> no, i'm looking at the double standard and i get into the fact that isn't the issue omar and recent -- we've talked about trump and what he has said a zillion times. >> how is it a double standard? he. >> because the focus is coming off omar and the pressure she's under by the democrats to apologize. >> he is the one calling for her resignation. >> and i think it's ridiculous. >> he stepped into. >> it but how can we take you
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seriously about anti-semitism if you only criticize anti-semitism when it's coming from one party. >> are you talking about me or the president? >> you. >> i have said there is no logical way that anyone who says something anti-semitic should not get condemned. however should they design -- >> what about kevin mccarthy? >> let's start with the condemnations. >> they should be condemned. i have no problem with that but resigning, no and we'll go down a bad rabbit hole in this country because serve a victim of something today. everyone is offended by something -- >> no, no, no. >> if that's the standard -- >> don't blanket statement. this is anti-semitism, this is anti-semiti anti-semitism. >> wait, brooke -- >> hang on, hang on -- >> for stupid sayings -- >> sir, she apologized. >> it took her a little while and people could say maybe that's an apology. >> slow your role. she apologized. we just played three clips from the candidate and then the president himself.
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tell me how many times he's apologized for those comments making those same points. >> he habit and i've condemned those. i said those were stupid. >> that's why we're pointing out hypocrisy. >> but this has been going on for a long time. >> kevin mccarthy around the midterms. he tweeted a anti-semitic trope. we cannot allow soros stierks-- and bloomberg to control this election. he deleted it and never apologized. should he no longer be minority leader. >> i don't think this was anti-semitic. those were three major liberal fund-raisers. major liberal fund-raisers so -- >> jewish money? >> no, no. >> not jewish money. the three names, right? >> we need to have a consistent standard i don't think kevin mccarthy shouldry sign, either if we want people to be careful and don't want people to say flip things like ilhan omar did, it's about the money, then we
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should expect kevin mccarthy should be careful. if we want ilhan omar to be careful, kevin mccarthy should be careful, too. >> those three are spending tens of millions of dollar -- >> and so is aipac. >> aipac has not spent must be on candidates. >> it has political action committees that tell them who to support and they give them money for candidates. >> they support democrats who support israel and republicans -- >> but they support policies ilhan omar opposes. >> i don't care what their religion is. they were spending tens of millions of dollars to defeat republicans so is that off limits because they happen to be jewish? >> the point is we need to have one clear single standard and if that's -- >> what is it? >> people on both sides should be careful. if you don't want to criticize ilhan omar, fine but if you do, you have to hold kevin mccarthy to the same standard and donald trump. >> it will never end.
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it will be subjective all the time, that's the issue. >> there should be a standard and we should be calling balance and strikes for both sides. appreciate both your perspect e perspective. breaking news involving michael cohen who leaked his confidential bank records. what we're learning from the department of justice. plus, very soon a judge may issue a ruling on the alleged lies former trump campaign chairman paul manafort told robert mueller. and big on criticism, short on politics. former starbucks ceo takes questions but dodges many, including on whether he would sell starbucks stock. you're watching cnn, i'm brooke baldwin. when did soup become this?
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we're back.brooke baldwin. let me start with breaking news involving the president's former attorney michael cohen. he is tied to another federal investigation and this time he is the victim. the justice department is investigating the leak of his confidential bank records. cnn's kara scannell and sara murray both join me. kara, give me the details of the investigation and what you're hearing from sources. >> that's right, brooke. according to two sources familiar with the investigation, the department of justice is investigating who leaked michael cohen's bank records. it came to light last year that michael cohen had received millions of dollars in payments from corporations, including one linked to a russian oligarch as well as at&t, the parent company of cnn, for consulting contracts that michael cohen was selling his proximity to the white house. now the big question is how did
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this information come to light because these are confidential reports that are filed by banks to the treasury department. and now we know the department of justice is investigating this. according to two sources, the u.s. attorney's office in the northern district of california, that's the area that includes san francisco is leading the investigation and that charges in this case could be filed very soon, brooke. and paul manafort is back in court. he is the president's former campaign chairman who pleaded guilty to conspiracy and obstruction. a judge is expected to rule today if she found the that manafort lied to mueller's prosecuto prosecutors. what do his lawyers say. >> well, they said he didn't lie. this has been their talking point from the beginning claiming he was in there for these long vigorous strenuous sessions, he could forget things, misremember things along the way but that he never
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actively was trying to lie to the special counsel's team but brooke this is a big deal. if the judge doesn't buy paul manafort's she could say you violated your plea agreement and that leaves the special counsel's office open to do whatever they want in terms of sentencing for paul manafort. >> now roger stone. roger stone, the president's long time associate has been indicted on obstruction and false statements and a judge is weighing whether to put a gag order on his case. today his lawyers entered a court filing which had a lot 60 inaccuracies about how the media learned about his arrest. can you talk to me about that? >> there's been plenty going on. he said the special counsel's team shared with cnn a copy of the indictment. prosecutors are saying you didn't unseal this -- roger
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stone's team is saying you didn't unseal this correctly. there are so many players, brooke but we have to walk you through the timeline. if you look through my text messages with roger stone's attorney, which are part of these court records, they show i'm texting roger stone's attorney and i'm saying to him at 6:17 in the morning, i've received this press release from the special counsel saying roger stone is arrested. at this point cnn knows this. we decided to stake him out. at 6:17 in the morning we get the press release from the special counsel's team. at 6:21, i text roger stone's lawyer and say we got a press release, at 6:22 i send him a link to the indictment which is noted in the press release which you can find online. but roger stone's team is pointing to this saying, you know, seen then got this through nefarious means, this was still under seal and it shouldn't have been released this way. it's worth noting, we have these records showing the motion to the judge to seal this arrest and it says that the arrest and
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indictment will be unsealed once roger stone is taken into custody so at this point roger stone has been arrested, the special counsel puts out a press release, release the indictment, i share all of this with roger stone's lawyer and they are pointing to this as evidence of a grand conspiracy. they say they don't buy the explanation that we've been transparent about about why we decided to stake out roger stone. it's worth noting, we had other stakeouts going. we were sure an arrest was coming down, we were not 100% sure it was going to be roger stone so other stakeouts were going that yielded nothing but roger stone wants to turn this into a big and public fight and we'll see if the judge buys into it. >> how incredible and welcome to your world that you're texting with his attorney at 6:17 in the morning. sara murray, thank you. kara scannell, thank you as well. days after the president's physical, former vice president dick cheney's cardiologist says something isn't right about this and asks what are they hiding?
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million shares of starbucks stock worth more than $2 billion. this is what he told poppy harlow at last night's cnn presidential town hall. >> i will do anything to have no conflict of interest between my investments or my interests in the company that i love because i will put the role and the responsibility and the accountability for results first if i run for president and i'm fortunate enough to win. and that is a promise i make to the american people. >> have you not decided if you will sell all of your shares? >> i don't think that's the question. i think i -- there's multiple ways to do this -- i'm not evading the question. there's multiple ways to do this, set up a blind trust, do lots of things, to remove any conflict of interest. >> walter shaub is a cnn contributor. welcome back. first, just refresher course.
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>> first, there is no way to do this. there are laws that control setting up a blind trust and if you take a bunch of publicly traded stock and stuff it into a blind trust, it's not blind, you know what you've put in there. the law provides for the trustee to send you a letter when they've sold it off. then they know it's blind but they don't tell you what they've bought as a replacement asset. so a blind trust won't work and starbucks is a publicly traded stock so it's one phone call and gone. if he holds too much of it, he can do a rule 144 transaction with the s.e.c.'s oversight but it's not hard to sell a publicly traded stock and if the past two years of the trump administration have taught us one thing it's that i was right when i said the president needs
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to divest and i hold that position for all future presidents, too. >> i was right when i said --. do you think the trump era has totally changed -- the fact he hedged on that question, i don't know if -- do you think he would have in the pretrump era four years ago? >> i think if he had done that four years ago it would have been a shocking news story. now we've been numbed by two years of this is that it's bad to have a president doing that. it looks like maybe i've underestimated how much it set a precedent now. he has a real conflict of interest. >> that's the danger there some
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of the trump comparisons. i have to ask you lastly about you are up a other this crazy viral video of freshman congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez's lightning round game where she's asking ethics experts like you some questions on money and politics so here's a clip. >> one last thing, mr. schaub, in relation to congressional oversight that we have, the wlimts that a s tha limits that are placed on me as a congresswoman, compared to the executive branch and compared to the president of the united states, would you say that congress has the same sort of standard of accountability? are there -- is there more teeth in that regulation in congress on the president or would you say it's about even or more so on the federal? >> in terms of laws that apply to the president, there's almost no laws that apply to the
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preside president. it's already super legal for me to be a pretty bad guy. so it's everyone easier for the president of the united states to be one, i would assume. >> that's right. >> thank you very much. >> so you have to watch the whole clip but you were sitting there, what did you think of that? >> you know, i've spent almost 15 years in my life trying to communicate with the public about government ethics and about why it matters and in five minutes she nailed it in a way that makes the public care and the public can understand and i think that was absolutely a brilliant bit of communication of a very hard topic. it was all i could do to not smile from ear to ear because i was so impressed with her. i was really impressed with two of the other freshman, a tschida
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tl -- rashida tlaib and ayanna pressley. they were so prepared and they got the nuances right in a way members of congress generally don't. she put information within five minutes that's in the public's attention span and i've watched that video a dozen times. >> it's a extraordinary piece of tape to take something so complicated and you get it. walter shaub, thank you very much. >> thanks. it's only been a couple days but there are already questions about the president's annual physical. dr. sanjay gupta will join me after dick cheney's cardiologist says something's not quite right about this. and breaking news involving a former u.s. service member who has been missing for quite some time. why she's now being accused of being a spy for iran.
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it's been five days since the president's physical and despite his doctor declare trump in very good health following his medical exam, the lack of detailed information is prompting some to kind of wonder. vice president dick cheney's long-time cardiologist jonathan reiner tweeted this yesterday, it has been four days since the president underwent his physical exam and still no data has been released. what are they hiding? dr. sanjay gupta is our chief medical correspondent. sanjay, you were in front of the white house on friday about this physical, the white house released this brief statement saying the exam went well. do you have similar questions on anything being hidden? >> well, i think it's safe to say this, that probably the results -- the vast majority of the results are probably back. some of the blood work may have been done at the white house residence so my guess is many of
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these results are back. when they'll release them is still an open question but a little context, brook, you remember last year he had the exam done on friday. it wasn't until tuesday when the results were released through the press conference which was remarkab remarkable. but if you go back to president obama's presidency, it could take a couple weeks. sometimes you wouldn't know he had a physical exam, you would just get a one sheet. it's all over the map. there's no set protocol. but i think the results are probably back and hopefully they'll be forthcoming soon. >> so what are the results you're most anticipating? >> the thing i'm most focused on has to do with his heart. he has a common form of heart disease.
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there's a test known as a coronary calcium scan and i want to show you. he's had this test done a few times. last time was last year and his score was 133. let me tell you what those numbers mean if i can through another graphic because this is important. obviously doctors were worried enough to order these tests if you're getting into the 100 to 300 range, which is where the president is, there's a relatively high risk of having a heart attack over the next several years so that's something doctors need to be mindful of and control those risk factors. you get over 300 and it's considered severe disease of the heart so this is something, i think the area where they'll focus most of their attention on, what's going on with all the risk factors, cholesterol, how do things with regard to life-style feed into that? diet, exercise, has he been following doctor's orders or not? >> let's go back to that.
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in your opinion the briefing room last year for that extraordinary q&a with trump's former physician dr. ronnie jackson. what did he say at the time about the president's health? >> i had never seen a press conference like that. i've been doing this job a long time. that was an unusual event. i asked a few questions specifically around some of this, such as this one. >> just to be clear, dr. jackson, he is taking cholesterol-lowering medication? he has evidence of heart disease and he's borderline obese. can you characterize that as excellent health? >> i mean, i think based on his current cardiac study, his heart is very healthy. i think we're doing a decent job with his cholesterol. i would say his -- the dose of his cholesterol medicine is very low. he takes a very low dose of his cholesterol medicine so we have a lot of room to increase that. >> in addition to increasing his cholesterol medication, they also said the president needed to lose 10 to 15 pounds, change his diet dramatically, lower
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carbs, lower fat. things people hear off when they go to the doctor but more serious, if you have results, test results regarding your heart that do show evidence of disease and increased risk of heart attack so these are recommendations everyone gets but more serious recommendations. >> okay. dr. gupta, i know you're standing by for those results. maybe we'll get them by the end of the week. thank you very much. good to see you. in the meantime, michael cohen ditching testimony for a third time before he goes to prison and now committee members aren't totally buying it is. cohen playing games? plus, we'll talk live with one of the dea agents who took down el chapo. he'll reveal everything from safe houses to tunnels to laundry carts. don't miss this conversation. ♪
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republican senator ted cruz says he knows how to get the $5 billion president trump wants to build his wall. this is what cruz twooesed. let's pass the el chapo act and make el chapo pay to secure our border. el chapo is an infamous mexican drug lord convicted on ten federal charges in the u.s. guilty on all counts. cruz is pushing his bill to use $14 billion in el chapo's property to paid for the wall and ray donovan is a dea special agent who helped lead this multiagency effort to capture joaquin guzman, otherwise known as el chapo so congratulations, that everybody the right -- this is 25 years you have known of him, trying to capture him, he has alluded you for that long until just a few months ago. so let's start with so many
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people have been watching much of this but the shower cart, the laundry cart, the safe houses, the taxicab. that is decades of -- pursuing him. all the different agency, all of our partners, the agents and analysts that dedicated their lives in pursuing el chapo have finally culminated in that arrival from mexico in long island, new york. it was a tremendous occasion for all of us. >> did you look him in the eye? >> not at that point. once he was driven downtown to manhattan i got a good look at him and it was really just the back of his head. i didn't see him until i sat in court across from him and he was staring at me, i was staring at him as well.
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>> so no words -- i'm sure you had words in your thought bubble you would like to say to him. but no words were exchanged. >> no words were i can changed. at no point have i spoken with el chapo. >> was he emotional at any point? >> yes, once he arrived into new york, into long island, you can tell his emotions got the best of him. he was outside of mexico on u.s. soil. he no longer had control is what happened. in mexico he felt strong and powerful. and here he is in new york and that was it. >> that's when he knew. >> that's when he -- that's the realization set in and he realized that this was it. he was never going back to mexico. >> emotional as in tears from this man? >> sure, his eyes got watery but you could tell that it just kind of overwhelmed him. >> wow. guilty on all counts, life in
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prison and you make the point he's not in mexico. is there any chance? >> there's no chance. we just know his capability. he's a very important prisoner, there will be a lot of focus on his movements and what he does going forward. >> watching in the courtroom, you were there for a number of different days, 200 hours of testimony, 56 witnesses, lots of law enforcement agents, there was the wiefe, there was the mistress. was there a moment for you you will never forget? >> there is. the opening when i first saw him face to face as well as the last part of the trial when they were talking about heinous crimes he committed personally. >> were you concerned about security at any point during
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that trial? we were always concerned from by againing to end. we're still concerned. chapo has a lot of resources and people that support him and for us in the government and all the various agencies we had to consider that and take that sere kbrously. >> just describe to people what it was like that's so different. >> there were multiple layers of security just getting into the courtroom. the u.s. marshals, court police the there. we had to do that not only the safeguard el chapo but all the jurors and the people that work there, the witnesses. >> prosecutors estimate his assets are in the $14 billion range. >> that's right. >> now, we watch a lot of tv, no money in the walls down in mexico but you were telling me before he left his gold-plated machine guns and diamond-encrusted -- >> that's right. el chapo invested his money into
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land so that he can continue to cultivate poppy and develop that into heroin so that's where a lot of his income went to. but certainly over 40 years of career of selling drugs he made hundreds of billions of dollars. >> hundreds of billions of dollars. this is so huge. congratulations, i'm only half joking and saying when you catch joaquin el chapo guzman, do you retire? >> no. >> what's your next move? >> this is only the beginning. the sinaloa cartel is all over the united states. we have a lot more work to do. >> ray donovan, let me shake your hand. thank you very much. thank you for coming by. now to this cnn report. the president is expected to sign the deal to avoid a shutdown but with two days remaining, he remains non-committal on it. so we're asking the question why. plus, two presidential contenders separating themselves
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the students involved in that high profile encounter while attending the march for life rally in washington have been exonerated. the diocese found they did not instigate that incident. they did not chant build the wall and never responded to the
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black hebrew israelites with racist or offensive statements. investigators say they didn't speak with the young man and made several attempts to contact the native american elder who said he felt threatened but never got a response. we are back. it appears avoiding shutdown 2.0 is a done deal. we have a proposal that has the blessing of top republicans and democrats. we have a vote on that proposal set for tomorrow night in the house, one that speaker pelosi seems confident that will get her chamber's approval. >> as with all compromises, i say to people support the bill for what is in it, don't judge it for what is not in it. we can't pass the bill until it's ready and when it's ready we'll be ready to pass it. j. >> and the president said he doesn't want the government to close its doors for a second time. >> we're in good shape and we'll
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look at it when it comes, i don't want to see a shutdown. a shutdown would be a terrible thing. >> on the other hand, we have these comments from white house press secretary sarah sanders. >> we want to see what the final piece of legislation looks like. it's hard to say definitively whether or not the president will sign it until we know everything that's in it. >> kaitlin dickerson issen s an immigration reporter for the "new york times." welcome to have you in. two sources to who talk to trump tell cnn he plans to sign to avoid the shutdown. why is he even edging? >> i think because this is a hard moment. he was so confident about this border wall. he seemed unwilling to back down. he shut the government down over it and here he is presented with this proposal that doesn't provide any substantive money at all for a wall. he can lean and say there's some money for 55 miles of fencing but all that