that's a foolish comment. of course i'm not going to do that. thank you, eva. at least you know they're not all set up. ladies and gentlemen, catch up with us on cnn go and on demand. see you next week. good morning, everyone. it is saturday, february 16th. i am kaylee hartung in for christi paul. >> i am victor blackwell. you're in the cnn "newsroom." we have a lot to tell you about this morning. >> first up, democrats are rallying like it is 2020 already. presidential hopefuls are all over the map this weekend, they're selling their message from new hampshire to south carolina, georgia, iowa. >> the president's former campaign chairman paul manafort is likely to spend the rest of his life in prison. >> after announcing a national emergency he admitted he quote, didn't need to do, legal challenges are already stacking

up against the president this morning. police are saying the shooter that killed five people at a manufacturing business in illinois had lost his job that day that he went on the shooting rampage. frm if you didn't know better, you would think the election was a week away. >> democrats are hitting the campaign trail hard. >> but the two big names you do not see on the map, beto o'rourke and joe biden who haven't said definitively if they would run. kyung law joins us. >> reporter: we're a year from the iowa caucuses. i am at a town hall in west columbia, south carolina. it is a critical base of senator harris' support. this will be the last of her

visits in south carolina where she needs to win the early primary, she anticipates she will garner a lot of support. she is not the only one here. elizabeth warren is also in south carolina. if you look at the map again, look at what's happening in new hampshire because senator harris will be heading there the end of the long holiday weekend. she's going to be joined by kirsten gillibrand, amy klobuchar is in iowa, and harris and warren in south carolina. a busy start to the 2020 race. it is difficult to tell we're a year away from iowa caucuses. >> those are just the candidates that announced they're running. what about the contenders still on the fence? >> you're talking about all of the questions around beto

o'rourke. he spent time in wisconsin, he is in illinois, he is going to try to do some town halls, reaching out in intimate meetings he has that he is well known for. joe biden has hit the international stage, he is in munich, germany, he is at the munich security conference. he is already this morning meeting with the president of afghanistan. you know, certainly a contrast in platforms, but again, both of those men have not said they're running for president. >> and they've still got plenty of time to make that decision, even though plenty of others pete h beat him to the punch. >> the former vice president talking about america's role in the world at the security conference. here's a bit of it. >> i strongly support nato. i believe it is the single most significant military alliance in the history of the world, and i

think it has been the basis upon which we have been able to keep peace and stability for the past 70 years. and it is the heart of our collective security. it is the basis upon which the united states is able to exercise its responsibilities in other parts of the world as well. >> jeff willsner, author of "the book of joe" and sometimes accidental wisdom of joe biden. good morning. >> good morning. >> you say biden wanted to be president his whole life. it is now four decades of him contemplating runs, but what's going to stop him at this point in his life and career when he has all of the experience that he does have? >> first off i don't have any inside intel. my perspective doing the research and what i've seen, i think that biden might see himself as duty bound to run. he prides himself being a person of substance. we all know the uncle joe

persona, but the reality is he works very hard. he is a detail oriented overworker and he sees himself, i'm guessing, as the absolute contrast to trump in that regard, and he feels he is uniquely positioned to fight trump and heal things right now. >> when we look back on the 2016 campaign, president trump didn't announce until the summer, hillary clinton announced in april, despite that so many democratic contenders have already announced, what do you think biden is waiting for and what sort of time line do you think he could be on for making his own announcement? >> he has a lot at stake, right? his legacy is at stake. biden has prided himself on being a truly a nation first kind of guy, and it is likely he sees himself as okay, there is a personal legacy risk, but if he

is able to be the best person to take on trump, that might be worth the gamble. sounds like he has to weigh those two competing forces. >> biden on the world stage earlier this morning at the munich security conference. what do you make of the opportunity for him to speak at a forum like that and take on that states man like persona that we have seen him in before? >> many times before. he likes to say i know every world leader on the planet and he does. this is a man has been in meetings 30, 40 years ago with henry kissinger, so he has this experience. it is a good opportunity for him to show case that, remind us of the depth of foreign policy he has, which is a contrast to others that might currently be in the white house. >> some of those folks having to announce early, they need the opportunity to introduce themselves to voters.

that's not a challenge joe biden is facing. cnn has a poll that shows more than 60% of democratic voters want him to run for president. if you were to throw him into the mix though, how does that change the current dynamic among those that already announced? >> tough to speculate on which candidate helps or hurts. i think that let's not forget, people love joe biden. people across the spectrum in a variety of demos like joe biden, think he is a good guy. it would be fun to see him in the mix, see him shake up the campaign. >> last question, jeff, real quick. percentage chance that we see joe biden running for president in 2020. what are you putting it at? >> i'm going 70%, my bold prediction, 70%. biden in the mix. >> appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you. new reporting that president trump decided early last year to

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outside r. kelly studio in chicago. what i can tell you and what is important about the tape is that it could be used as evidence in a case against mr. kelly. it has been handed over to the state's attorney's office, according to attorney michael avenatti who is representing a client he says can speak to all sorts of things, including obstruction of justice on r. kelly's part. at this point in time we have seen the tape, 42 minutes, 45 seconds long. i want to warn viewers it is disturbing, the information i am going to tell you about. going to keep it brief to give you an idea what's on the tape and why it is important. i will begin with, you know, saying that in the beginning of the tape you see a very well lit room. you see it is all white. it is very well lit, and video is very clear and it is very graphic. you see a man who walks into the video frame, he is completely

nude. a source has confirmed to us that that is r. kelly, and there's a female that's also on the tape, and she repeatedly refers to her genitalia as being 14 years old. at one point in the tape he also repeats that back to her. she says it about six times. you then see the man identified as r. kelly asking the girl to urinate, then he urinates on her. this tape, the reason the details are important, they mirror some of the exact same details that were in a previous tape that the state's attorney's office had in 2002. they used that tape to indict r. kelly on 22 charges of pornography, of child pornography. they ended up charging him with 14. those 14 charges in 2008 all went to trial. r. kelly went to trial but was acquitted. one of the issues was that the jury could not positively

identify whether that was indeed r. kelly on the tape or indeed the identity of the girl and her age on the tape. now, we have no way to determine how old the girl was just by looking at the video but it is certainly evidence in the hands of the state's attorney. >> sara sidner for us in chicago. thank you. a public campaign against r. kelly last month grew when lifetime television released "surviving r. kelly." a three night series in which women claim they were kept in abusive sexual relationships, claims r. kelly has denied. joining me, tamera simmons, producer of "surviving r. kelly." thank you for coming in. >> thank you. >> what's your reaction to hearing there's another recording reportedly with r. kelly and now a 14-year-old girl? >> well, you know, when i first heard about it, i just said i can't really believe there's

another tape, you know. and unfortunately for that alleged victim i'm just sorry that that even happened to her as well as the survivors that you see in our documentary. >> my producers tell me that you speak with the survivors almost on a daily basis. >> yeah. we still keep in touch. >> what do you believe, have you spoken since the revelation of the tape, what do you believe the response is, are they aggrieved or saddened because there's another victim allegedly or does this give them hope that there could be prosecution, there could be conviction? >> i mean, i can't speak for them but from our conversations, they're just happy there's actually something that can be done, that's going to be done, possibly be done. there's hope there, but then they're also saddened someone else has been effected as well. >> what did you learn through

your interviews and work of putting together, three nights, six parts, i watched it, putting together this documentary on r. kelly? >> what i learned is that there's african-american women that, you know, when they tell or talk about their stories, they're not really believed so whenever i was talking to the survivors individually before the documentary, you know, during the process pretty much was just asking them exactly what happened, their relationship, and it was the similarity between each of them that didn't know each other, i was just like wow, there's a system set in place here. >> these allegations have been going on for decades, the mid '90s. do you believe that r. kelly will be at some point held accountable for what these women claim is a history of sexual abuse? >> well, i just believe whatever is done in the dark always comes to light. if that is true, you know, things are going to keep coming up, people are going to start

listening. like now the public is listening than they did back in the day. now these women have come out and talked and people are like okay maybe they're not just after this man for money and fame and things like that. >> sara sidner talked about how this mirrors the recording that was at the center of the 2002 arrest. later exonerated, wasn't found guilty. what do you know, what have you learned about a possible proclivity for recording, for taping the alleged crimes? >> i can't really speak on any real ramifications regarding that but, you know, i just know that everyone involved appears to be doing their due diligence to make sure this doesn't happen or continue to happen again. >> tamera simmons, thank you for being with us. let me go back to sara sidner in chicago. you have been listening to our conversation here and you

discussed the similarities between this tape you've seen and the tape from the 2002 case. >> reporter: yeah, i want to mention something, that "surviving r. kelly" was instrumental in starting to break some of the information off of people coming forward, they saw so many people coming out and talking about their stories, that should be mentioned. also u r. kelly, women that decided they want radio stations to stop may go his music and promoting his concerts. concerts have been cancelled, his music isn't being played on several radio stations now. i want to mention this tape isn't necessarily a new tape, in other words, it is not necessarily something that happened right now. this tape was on vhs. it gives you an idea of the timing of when this was taken, and according to attorney michael avenatti, this tape is believed to be an older tape, from what year we don't know. i want to make it clear, this may not be a brand new tape made

recently, this may very well be a tape that's from some time ago. i wanted to make that clarification. >> important to tell that. thank you so much. coming up, acting out of greed. special counsel prosecutors say paul manafort deserves to spend the rest of his life in prison. ♪ when cravings hit, hit back. choose glucerna, with slow release carbs to help manage blood sugar, and start making everyday progress. glucerna. a lot will happen in your life. wrinkles just won't. neutrogena® rapid wrinkle repair's derm-proven retinol works so fast, it takes only one week to reveal younger looking skin. neutrogena®

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>> special counsel prosecutors say paul manafort acted out of greed. other federal authorities may put him behind bars the rest of his life. he was convicted for bank and tax fraud and other financial crimes related to working for a ukranian politician. a lot to roll through. sam, i want to start with you. you look at the 26 page outline of manafort's 8 financial crimes as outlienned, the special counl prosecutor said this about the manafort case. quote. given the breadth of manafort's criminal activity, the government hasn't located a comparable case with the unique array of crimes and aggravating factors. can you put this in perspective, how significant this statement is? >> he is unique for the wrong legal reasons. it is significant from a legal and frankly political perspective as voters look to

2020. this is a sentencing recommendation by the special counsel. it will ultimately be up to the judge to decide how to sentence manafort. in this case there will be a separate sentencing in a virginia court under a separate judge, but what the special counsel points out is that doing illegal things was a life-style choice for paul manafort. the sentencing memo details that manafort conducted these crimes over more than a decade. there were several kinds of crimes involved, they were not perpetuated out of necessity, and the law wasn't deterrent. he engaged in illegal activity when already indicted in two separate districts. it is significant from a political perspective, we have to remember this isn't just some random guy we're discussing, this was chairman of president trump's campaign, and based upon a sentencing memo, we know paul manafort was a creature of habit and was engaged in illegal

activity so long, yet this was the man president trump chose to be the chair of his campaign. >> that's right. josh, prosecutors say manafort deserves up to 24 and a half years in prison saying this in this document, quote, manafort acted for more than a decade as if he were above the law and deprive the federal government and various financial institutions of millions of dollars. the sentence here should reflect the seriousness of these crimes and serve to deter manafort and others from engaging in such conduct. the sentencing is up to the judge, there are multiple sentencing dates for him. do you see this penalty as matching these crimes as outlienou outlined? >> i think so. you think of paul manafort, this is someone that's the epitome of corruption, if you read some of the court filings and look back on his case and activity he was involved in, but what the government does, the judicial system is based on precedent. you look back, how are other cases handled. in this case, robert mueller is

agreeing with federal probation officials on sentencing recommendation. but it will be up to the judge to decide. it is nothing but bad news for paul manafort. not only is this a potential life sentence for him but as sam alluded to, there's another whole case involved here. nothing looks good for paul manafort. >> no, it doesn't. let's pivot to someone else that it doesn't look great for. trump associate roger stone. the special counsel office revealing prosecutors have evidence that he communicated with wikileaks in relation to release of the democrats' e-mails that were hacked. sam, before we get to what that means for stone, what implications do you see this having on the future of the rest of the investigation? >> the key question is how this relates back to the campaign officials. we know from roger stone's earlier indictment that campaign officials were directed to talk to roger stone about further

dumps by wikileaks. my question from the filing yesterday is whether e-mails that were part of search warrants found under the search warrants related to a russian hacking case shed any new light on whether there's communication back between roger stone and the campaign about timing of dumps. i want to remind viewers, when we talk about wikileaks and roger stone e-mailing with wikileaks, wikileaks is a nonstate intelligence service, something that secretary of state pompeo said when he was director of the cia. roger stone was e-mailing with a hostile intelligence service, and it is possible, we have to wait and see what the special counsel finds out, that he communicated that information back to the campaign and that there was perhaps some kind of coordination about those e-mails. >> to sam's point, josh, considering stone hasn't been charged at this point with collusion or conspiracy, what do you see his legal exposure being

now? >> well, again, he is another one of these figures that's so involved in a lot of the main focus of the investigation. you go back and look at what robert mueller's mandate was, it was to determine whether there was russian collusion and any other crimes obviously, but goes back to the original hack of the democratic national committee, stolen information that was weaponized and used in an election. the question was, was the trump campaign involved in that. every new little thread out of the robert mueller investigation appears to signal that roger stone was talking to wikileaks, which as sam mentioned is a hostile, nonstate intelligence service. what it comes down to is did people in trump world know this information was sought or that roger stone was helping coordinate this. and a lot of people look to the recent filing, there's no mention of collusion here. robert mueller only has to tell the court as much as he needs to to justify another charge, there

could be a superseding indictment coming down the road, we don't know what's next for robert mueller. but things aren't looking good for roger stone. >> as we have come to learn. friday is a popular day for the mueller team to share the latest news. josh, sam, thank you so much for your perspective. white house attorneys reportedly warned the president months ago against declaring a national emergency to get money for his wall. why did he decide to do it anyway? new details next. this is huntsville, alabama. aka, rocket city, usa. this is a very difficult job. failure is not an option. more than half of employees across the country bring financial stress to work. if you're stressed out financially at home, you're going to be too worried to be able to do a good job. i want to be able to offer all of the benefits drog droger. it is the people that is really the only asset that you have. put your employees on a path to financial wellness with prudential. bring your challenges.

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>> there's department of homeland security data that shows border crossings at a record low. >> because of us. the numbers that you gave are wrong. take a look at our federal prison population, see how many of them percentage wise are illegal aliens. just see. go ahead and see. >> a minority are illegal aliens for fact sake. the president seemingly does not believe the department of homeland security, for back to 2010, flip to the next few years, you see 2018, 396,000, going back to 2000, they were up past a million. >> these are still big numbers,

victor. on a relative scale, these are very big numbers. >> compared to 1.6 million more than a decade ago, 396,000, they're not huge numbers. >> what was happening a decade ago, victor, we were in the middle of the great recession. that was causing a lot of the economic migration. to some degree you see economic improvement in some parts of latin america, nevertheless, this is still a huge financial get for the people moving up across the border, still very big numbers. >> you're answering a different question. my question is why didn't he believe them. big number or small number, that can be relative, compared to what you saw in the earlier part of the last decade, relatively small, you can make that argument if you choose. the president says they're wrong. >> how much illegal immigration is okay? >> that's a different question. why doesn't the president believe the numbers from the department of homeland security?

why doesn't he believe it? >> he is talking about stopping the flow over the border. for some reason democrats don't care about doing it. whatever numbers he uses, we can look and say we have a numbers problem in the country. >> republicans say they don't care about the border and alleged criminals coming across, it borders on nonsensical. every democrat cares about this country and you care about the border. number of people, whatever number is the number, the immigrants coming over the border have every right to be here. they apply for asylum, we have to address it. all democrats want border security. what we don't want is a wall that borders on the nonsensical, makes no sense based on statistics and the law, and the military issue, what he is about to go to court, that clip with jim acosta, that exchange is at

the core of what will happen in court, and the numbers are going to be the numbers. it is not a political statement by donald trump. >> nancy pelosi said during the shutdown a wall, this is a quote, a wall is an immorality between countries. democrats many of them supported $1.375 billion for another barrier. so is a fence less immorality to democrats? >> there are security reasons why parts of the border have fences, and most of that 1.3 or portion of it is going to go to repair those fences, repair those barriers. >> but there will be 55 miles of extended border, new barrier. >> yeah, you had that already, you have portions of that 55 or whatever the number is that have fencing for security. >> this is new barrier covering the border. is that i mmoral? >> it is immoral, the idea to put up a wall to block people, black and brown people from the southern border to lock them out

when they have every right to immigrate, seek asylum in the u.s. is immoral. >> that's open borders then. that's just open borders. to say to block people when they want to walk -- >> hold on. it is not open borders if i'm in another country and want to immigrate here, whether i do it appropriately or not, once i get to this country, i can apply for asylum. the president doesn't believe they're fleeing war, poverty or negative life where they are. that's not open borders. we want people to come here legally. if they come here illegally, we want them to apply for asylum. why are black and brown people getting a bad rap. >> that description of asylum is important. >> they're here illegally. and i appreciate what scott just did, he told the truth about

what the democratic position is. whoever shows up at the border has a right to be here. no, they do not. they do not have that. >> they can apply for asylum. >> that's an important distinction you didn't offer at first. you said it would be immoral to block people that want to walk into the country. you added asylum. >> that's not the main problem in the country, not people seeking asylum, it is people coming for jobs illegally. living in the shadows. >> when they present at the border, they often present for asylum. >> we're not wanting to build a wall to stop people coming in legally through the port of entry. we are talking about people coming here illegally, although very sophisticated. >> scott, brian, we have to wrap it. i apologize. we have gone over time.

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at least five people are dead, five police officers wounded after a man opened fire at a manufacturer. authorities say the man was being let go by the company. according to officials, he was armed with a handgun. witnesses say it had a laser on it. authorities are expected to release new information at a press conference next hour. democrats on capitol hill are promising to fight back against president trump's declaration of a national emergency over the border wall. house speaker nancy pelosi and senate democratic leader chuck schumer called it unlawful declaration over a crisis that does not exist. according to federal law, congress can rescind an emergency declaration by issuing a resolution.

if he veelt owtoes that, they c override it in the senate and house. democratic senator tina smith from minnesota, thanks for joining us this morning. >> happy to join you today. >> is congress going to take this step to stop the president? >> well, i think it is clear that the president has circumvented the will of congress. a couple of days ago, congress voted overwhelmingly for a package of border security that included 1.375 billion for a border wall. now less than two days later, the president has come out with an emergency declaration that i don't think he has power to sustain. even the president yesterday indicated that he wasn't sure, he knew he would be challenged in court on this. i think it is important that congress stand up for our constitutional responsibilities and duties as described in the constitution.

>> you said the president should spend more time reading the constitution, less time on attempts for a power grab. are you concerned for a precedent it sets for future presidents? >> absolutely. we are a nation governed by the rule of law. this move of president trump yesterday goes above the law. i think it is extremely important we at this time in our democracy stand up for rule of law. you can't just makeup, can't just make things up when you're the president of the united states. >> it doesn't seem disagreement with the national emergency declaration falls on party lines. there are key gop lawmakers also reacting. take a listen. >> i continue to believe this is not what the national emergency act was intended to be used for. it was contemplated as a means for responding to catastrophic

event like attack on our country or a major natural disaster. >> what about if somebody thinks climate change is the national emergency, what will they do, how far will they go. >> senator, what sense do you get that republicans will actually vote against the president when given the chance to? >> well, that's going to be a real test of whether they put, whether all of us in congress put our country ahead of our politics. several of my colleagues on the republican side have said they question whether the president has this authority, and it is probably because they're looking forward, wondering what would happen someday when we have a democratic president again. again, we should be a country that is ruled bylaws and not bipartisan politics. i have to say only weeks ago our majority leader mitch mcconnell said he hoped the president wouldn't do this, he didn't know the president had the power to do this, and yet he now has

shifted his position, which is very concerning to me. >> quickly, senator, lastly given there are so many projects that could lose funding if the president gets this money that his declaration is asking for, what do you find most concerning in terms of the projects that could suffer? >> well, the president should know that we don't have $8 billion, you're not going to find $8 billion between the couch cushions of the federal government. i'm concerned specifically in minnesota about impact on our national guard and on department of defense construction projects that were planned here in minnesota. i'm sure that that's true all over the country. you don't get to willy-nilly change things like this, even if you're president of the united states. >> tina smith, senator from minnesota, thank you for your time this morning. >> thank you. a man once a power broker in

the catholic church is no longer a priest. the vatican dismissed disgraced cardinal theodore mccarrick after a church trial found him guilty of sexually abusing minors for decades. he once led the archdiocese in washington won't be able to appeal the decision. 8 nurses in canada launched a go fund me page to raise money to evacuate haiti. they're trapped at a christian charity compound because of violent anti-government protests. they need $9,000, they raised more than $16,000. we spoke to one of the nurses moments ago. >> the pastor that is director has instructed us not to go outside across the highway where the road blocks are. we are here. we can get people to come in and provide health care and feeding programs, schools have been shut. we have a school on the

compound. we are safe here, but they will not let us go outside the compound. >> what kind of help do people need amidst violent anti-government protests? >> i think i'm not a political person, i think maybe want the president to step down, they're very destitute here, the ones we're treating, they live in huts, they sleep on the floor, have no running water, no bathrooms, they have zero help here. they're very destitute and taking desperate measures to make a change for themselves. >> you and other nurses launching a go fund me page in hopes of raising money for your own evacuation, do you have any concept of when it could be that you're able to get out? >> we have secured a helicopter as of 9:00 last night, secured a helicopter, a haitian helicopter

for monday. >> tracy tells us the helicopter will land at the compound, fly them directly to port of prince airport. then they don't have to make it through the violence or chaos on the streets. in this week's mission ahead, stockton, california started an experiment backed by private money. the city handing out $500 a month to 100 residents. >> a lot of people are surprised to learn that when you work a full-time job in the united states on minimum wage that you still cannot pay the bills. stockton, california is a city on one end of the income inequality problem. almost a quarter of the population lives below the poverty line. that's about twice the national average. so the city of stockton, backed by private money, is setting up a radically simple experiment. give 100 people $500 a month for a year and a half. their goal, to test out a

long-standing theory on a small scale. it is called universal basic income. >> the universal basic income is guaranteeing everyone an income floor, saying every month here is money to use with no strings attached. >> and the no strings attached, that's pretty important here and a radical idea. >> implicit in the idea of guaranteed income is trust. >> michael tubs is the mayor of stockton, he disagrees with critics that say lower income people are ill equipped to manage the extra cash. >> i think of people i know who are in poverty, working class, they're good at stretching what they have to pay bills and make ends meet, and it is not easy. if you give people money, they'll probably be better money managers than we think. >> only 100 applicants were randomly selected. the city and team behind the project hoped to gather knowledge that could one day help create a universal basic income program on a much larger scale. >> thanks to rachel crane there.

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