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a deadline right now. special counsel robert mueller due to file his sentencing memorandum in the paul manafort case by midnight. in the filing, they will outline the facts they believe the judge should consider when sentencing manafort on march 13th. also breaking tonight, president trump's former lawyer and fixer, michael cohen. meeting last month with a, with federal prosecutors and giving them new information on trump's family business including details about insurance policies
and claims at trump properties. and providing information about a donor to the president's inaugural committee. there's lots to discuss. here's the very latest. good evening to you. we're expecting this filing at any minute now. this could be the last big filing that we get from mueller before he hands his report over to the attorney general. the attorney general barr. how much could we learn from this? >> we can learn a lot. you're right. we are waiting. this is supposed to be filed by midnight. what we think is happening is that there are redaction issues. we're waiting on the court to publicly release this memorandum. this sentencing memorandum. that could be what's holding this up. we don't know for sure but certainly by this time, we had expected we on see it. this is a crucial piece of document in the mueller investigation as you said. this could be the last and most significant filing we see in the
manafort investigation. we expect we can learn a lot more about his relationship with the russian agent. a man the fbi and the special counsel did prosecutors have. was working for the russian government. and with kilimnik. this is a person they shared polling data with. so there's a lot that we can really learn in this sentencing memorandum. certainly as to the russian investigation, certainly as to the special counsel's investigation. >> so how critical is paul manafort to the entire mueller investigation? >> so he's been one of the most, i would say, critical parts of the investigation. why that is is, since the beginning, when they brought charges against him and his business partner, the man who
was hrick gates, paul manafort was in the same shoes. he could have gotten the same deal with rick gates had gotten. what he was crucial to, what we learned if his cooperation agreement, from the information he provided to investigators, and what they asked had a lot to do with the russians. there was that meeting with the russian agent. they wanted to know more about their relationship. there was one other key thing. they were trying to get paul manafort to help them with another, a separate department of justice investigation that we know nothing about. and they have said that he lied to them. he lied when he started asking questions about this other investigation. they say special counsel's office, that he was trying to protect someone. >> let's talk about michael cohen. cnn has learned that michael cohen fed manhattan prosecutors' investigators new information on insurance policies and claims at trump policies. information about the inaugural committee and the donor. is this significant? >> hugely significant. that tells that you the southern
district of new york is looking at everything. anything someone is coming and giving them information, criminal activity, conduct that they should be investigating that has to do with the trump organization, the inaugural committee, they're looking at i. one of the things i've found this this came in the last month. michael cohen went to the prosecutors, to the fbi in new york, and provided this information in the last month. we know that after that information was provided, a subpoena, a pretty striking and large, a request for large pieces of information from the southern district of new york to the inaugural committee, they were asking for all sorts of information. a lot of information. it just tells that you the southern district of new york is looking into a whole host of things. some of it, and probably most of it, we don't even know about. like wome said on your show, th is one of the things the president, donald trump and the people around him, are most
concerned about. the southern district of new york. >> thank you. appreciate it. >> let's continue to to discuss. this this expected mueller finding tonight could give us some key information about manafort's connections to russia. what information are you looking for? >> it's going to tell us not only his connections with russia but everything, really, that manafort did and said. everything that mueller knows about. manafort's background. because the judge is required to consider everything about paul manafort when sentencing him. so this is going to be the bible on paul manafort. so there's a lot of interesting stuff there because he's been involved in a lot of misdeeds. and of course a lot of interest in his interactions with the russian, the former russian
intelligence officer kilimnik. that has a lot because of him providing that polling data. now that that's public, will mueller feel that he can discuss that? i think he probably won't. that will still be redacted. there will be some public portions of this that will provide new context about his relationship with kilimnik and other russian oligarchs and so forth. >> there are a lot of questions about kilimnik. prosecutors have said that he's at the heart of this investigation. could this case come down to that relationship? >> it really could. the relationship between manafort and kilimnik is interesting. this gem about the sharing of the polling data. what would be interesting is where did he get polling date from? whoever he got it from in the campaign, did they know where it was going to go?
manafort was not in charge of pulling data. others in the campaign were including jared kushner. so that will be interesting to determine what mueller's folks know. i have to admit, everyone watching this right now is like, we're the filler right now. i'm surprised that this is not come out. that the filing has not come out yet. so i'm wondering, how much of it will be redacted if a lot of is it redacted, it goes into ongoing investigations which will tell us, while there may be a report relatively soon, these cases are going to exist throughout all of donald trump's first term. if there is a second, a good chunk of that as well. >> what do you think they're doing? are they sitting around saying, listen, we have to make sure everything is perfect with this. it is all redacted.
we can't reveal any more than we need to reveal? what do you think? >> that would be the court's determination of what is redact. there could have been a filing earlier today in which the court is determining what will or won't go public based on that. and you know, or it may be that we're going to get something at 11:59, a minute before the filing deadline. some people have suggested that they don't know if it is 3:00 a.m. eastern standard time filing deadline. >> oh, boy. >> i know, we'll all be asleep. >> the redactions go to ongoing cases. we know the cases, they're basically a case begets a case when it comes to donald trump. none of these ever end. they just expose more potential ill legality. >> i think she's right. the two questions we need
answer, and we will have answered by 12:00 a.m. eastern time, what does mueller want to say to the court about manafort and the extension that he's the loose thread, when you pull it, it unravels the whole sweater, and how much is he prepared to make public? i know we're probably in the same boat. we've been crashing on deadlines to do the redactions just right before the midnight filing deadline. and it can be a painstaking and awful process and i imagine mueller's folks are going through that right now and i have some sympathy for them. we're all going to get to see this and i think we'll learn quite a bit. >> let's take it out. the minimum that he's had throughout the investigation. since it appears to be nearing an end, do you think, do you expect this filing might be different? is that what you're saying?
>> well, no. i think mueller will write the same kind of sentencing memorandum that he writes all the time. straight down middle and by the book. i would say also that rumors of the imminent end of the mueller investigation have been running fast and thick and i will believe it when i see it. even if he's going to do a report. i don't think that he will lower a sentencing memo. if he has something to say, he'll put it in the report. i'm not sure we'll get report any time soon. maybe we will. if we do get it, it may not be the end. mueller has proliferated like a convenient you are capitalist incubat incubator. he's diversified portfolio and it will carry on even if he himself and his group are finished. >> look at that. 11:10. david bringing it there. so listen. there's been a lot of
speculation that trump could pardon manafort. manhattan prosecutors have prepared a criminal case against manafort in case that happens. how will this work? wouldn't manafort be protected by double jeopardy laws or no? >> no. in fact, the report that has made it clear, there are separate sof rips. double jeopardy law is very narrow. you can have two crimes that are essentially identical. wire fraud and mail fraud. in one you're mailing an envelope and the other you're using the internet. that's two separate crimes. and there's no double jeopardy. so it is very narrow. no double jeopardy issue. and i think given that the new york attorney general campaigned on being aggressive on this front, i think you can expect her in her office to be right there if there are any. >> so you heard shimon talk
about it just last month. is that a big concern for the president? >> it should be. it shows that michael cohen is trying to a least in some ways trying to ameliorate it. one piece of it went to the inauguration. we now know that the prosecutors were looking at where all this money went to and for what purposes, for the inaugural committee. not to have a theme for tonight with david crisp in california. a guy named zo, which he did. it went outside the pure stormy daniels aspects of the financial shenanigans going on and went to whether, what we can devise, not
the trump campaign. the trump organization. was filing insurance claims that were not legitimate. we don't know enough about that now. that falls outside of the financial investigations that we've seen today. and suggests that prosecutors are looking at a whole lot of money issues that exist around not just donald trump but his family. and i've always thought, you know, i've always thought the family is sort of the rail that i don't know how to deal with. obviously, if jarrod o'don jr. is implicated, we don't know what the president will do. >> the president was asked about michael cohen. he was scheduled to testify in front of congress next week. this is for you. >> no, no. >> mr. president, are you still considering -- >> lawyer/client. he's taking his own chances. >> it seems lying he's
suggesting that cohen could be violating attorney-client privilege but testifying about their relationship. is he doing that, david? >> it will depend what he talks about. but losing his ticket to practice law is probably low michael cohen's list of worries right now. he's facing substantial time behind bars. and he has every incentive to cooperate. >> hasn't he already lost his ability to practice law? >> yes. pretty much. i wouldn't expect him to be out there doing that. so the president's respect for attorney-client privilege notwithstanding, michael cohen has a lot of stuff that he can offer and it may not even violate. because there's a well known exception to that for crimes and frauds committed with the aid of counsel. if that's what's going on, it wouldn't apply. the old adage is if you can get the lawyer or the accountant, you can get the keys to the kingdom. i would think the president is
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>> well, probably we're most curious about the kilimnik connection. we all know at this point paul manafort conveyed to kilimnik pretty extensive polling information with a lot of things associated with russian interference. always the question has to be asked why, why would anyone do x, y or z? why he would of conveyed that to a known russian agent? except for some nefarious purpose. we don't know that. we may learn more about that in this filing, assuming it comes out in the next hour or whenever it comes out. that will be very instructive. i think we'll be informed by the amount of redaction. the more redacted material there is, the greater suggestion there is more yet to come. >> interesting. let's talk about michael cohen. we learned that investigators talked to him about how the
president's businesses used insurances. clearly cohen has a lot to say. what do you want to hear from michael cohen? >> well, the first and most important thing i want to hear from him, don, to set the record straight for lying to us. he's going to jail and not for a short period of time because he lied to the members of coming west need to get alongside the truth and the lies and go from there. i think there's probably not too much of a limit what we could learn from him about some of the dealings associated with trump enterprises. let's remember that every aspect of president trump's life is now under investigation by one official branch or another. whether it is the campaign or the inaugural committee or his foundation or the trump organization or the white house or the rest of the administration. it is all under investigation by somebody, by last count, some 13 different investigations. i don't remember quite the number. as it relates to the intel
committee, we're pretty nearly focused on russian interference in our election. so you can well imagine that will be the focus of our questioning. if you wanted a concrete example, the obvious one is the trump tower dealings in russia and what it is that mr. cohen knew about that. how it is that conversation, between mr. trump or his agents, and the russians went on far past the point in time then which was earlier indicated. >> there are a number of signs pointing to mueller wrapping up very soon. that doesn't mean that many investigations into this president, it doesn't mean those investigations are over. what happens post mueller? >> well, it depends in part what he does. your guest said earlier on the program that he performed somewhat like a firm with u.s.
attorneys offices here and there. we know that cyrus vance jr.'s operation is engaged in some investigation. our work will continue. i don't think the mueller report, if there is a report per se, is the end of the sentence at all. in fact i think it is beginning of comfortable effort. >> six committee chairs have sent a letter to the incoming attorney general demanding the report be made public. it is technically up to them to decide what they can see. will democrats go to court? >> we'll get that report one way or another or the contents one way or the other. i confidently predict that. it just so happened that last night, there was a town hall meeting for me. a pretty amazing event. more than 200 people there. standing room only. we talk about a range of issues. we're going to get that
information one way or another. in the entire room, it burst into applause. i was quite taken aback. i'm telling you because the american public wants this. they are demanding to know this information. for them, for the new attorney general to withhold it, it is a political bomb. he is holding a hand grenade and he just pulled the pin if he thinks the american public will be happy with keeping secret. thank you for your time. >> you're welcome. justice department officials saying don't expect robert mueller's report next week. what does this say about how the report is coming along? and what mueller knows? i'm going to ask a former deputy to read the tea leaves for us. [leaf blower]
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a justice department official tells cnm that special counsel robert mueller is now not expected to deliver his report next week. this as the president prepares for his summit in vietnam with north korean leader kim jong-un. john pistol is here to discuss as he served as a former deputy to robert mueller. so good to have you on. >> thank you. good to be with you. >> we don't know when mueller will be filing the report. one of the main questions is going to be, what will we see, if anything, and when it does release, and this is what the statute says. it says can he conclusion of the special counsel's work, he or she shall provide the spoup's report explaining the
prosecution or the declination decisions reached by the special counsel. what does that mean? >> so i think what we might envision is something along the lines of, a report that has two sections. one would be basically a recitation of all the actions that the special counsel's office and perhaps u.s. attorney's offices in new york, northern virginia, have done or taken as a result of referrals from the special counsel. so that could be the indictments and the charges for some of the people including flynn and perhaps even stone and manafort and cohen and the russians and some of the other players. and that is something that then the attorney general could turn around and turn over to satisfy some of the appetite that's out there. to have something out of a report. that report won't contain in all likelihood any new information. the second part of that report
might be, a classified report or could even be sensitive but unclassified or confidential, that it would be up to the attorney general to decide what if any part of that that he would make public. of course, congress is demanding the full report. so i think it will be interesting to see, again, whether there are two sections of the report and whether that's even made public. and then even if there are, what happens to that more sensitive or unclassified portion that would allow, provide, perhaps, a the former solicitor general, the acting sg and department of justice, had an op ed today that could provide a road map for attorney's office, virginia, d.c., new york or whatever, to follow up on as they are doing in certain instances. >> let's talk about your experiences when it comes to the special counsel. as the independent counsel investigating bill clinton, ken
starr had a report hundreds of pages long. the special prosecutor leon jaworski laid out a road map of president nixon's wrongdoing. could it look like either of those? >> i think this is different. i think this is something where robert mueller is following the mandate that he was given to investigate, prepare a report, and submit that report. so i don't see him going out and doing press conferences. i don't see him releasing it publicly at all. i think he will keep with the tasking that he was given. which is to provide that to the attorney general. and then to walk away from it. and then see what follow-up, if any, the individual u.s. attorney's offices, or perhaps the manhattan d.a.'s offices, that they may file charges against manafort. there's a grand jury apparently convened in manhattan for that. and that would then address the
double jeopardy issue. if the president decided to pardon anybody, manafort or somebody else, on the federal charges, that would not apply to the state charges. a number of different aspects, but interlinking here. >> what about any sealed indictments that mueller might have? what happens once this report is filed? >> so each of the individual u.s. attorney's offices, whether the district of columbia or the eastern district of virginia in arlington, virginia, the southern district of new york, the eastern district of new york, manhattan and brooklyn, they will proceed with those with the assistant u.s. attorney or whoever is handling those. and until robert mueller says something either in a press statement saying i'm wrapped up and concluding it, it is like for the older viewer, the old ef hutton commercial, when ef hutton speaks, people listen. that's the same thing with
robert mueller. people will listen. whether he sets out any guidelines or the road map to what the future activity might be by the u.s. attorney's offices, nobody knows. other than him and perhaps the attorney general. so i think it is, let's see what if anything is announced when he provides a report to the attorney general. >> all right. thank you. >> thank you. the president was asked today about the coast guard lieutenant who was allegedly plotting an attack on top democrats and journalists. >> do you take any responsibility for moderating your language when it comes to that? >>. no i think my slang very nice. >> very nice. really? i landed. i saw my leg did not look right. i was just finishing a ride. i felt this awful pain in my chest. i had a pe blood clot in my lung. i was scared. i had a dvt blood clot. having one really puts you in danger of having another.
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snpt the president is awfully quick to condemn anyone he sees as an enemy or doesn't like. but there are some things he doesn't want to talk about so much. let's discuss it. hello, happy friday. >> hi, don. >> so steve king, king was stripped of his committee assignments after wondering in the "new york times" interview, terms lying white nationalist and white supremacist became offensive. this is the reaction of the president that cling seek re-election in 2020. >> i don't know anything about this situation. when did he announce it? he hand told me anything. we'll have to take a look. i haven't spoken to him in a
long time. i have not been involved. >> another missed opportunity for the president to condemn steve king's behavior? >> he knows steve king very well. they're buddies. >> steve who? >> did he the same thing with david duke. during the campaign. i don't know who david duke is. he did the same thing with pat buchanan. he called him a hitler lover. oh, i'm going to tweet about him and endorse him. donald trump is facing foots business the radical right and pretending like he's not giving aid and comfort to them. and then he goes and does stuff to give them aid and comfort. this is not helpful. typical for donald trump and sad. >> when minnesota representative was recommendory imagineded for using language in a tweet, the president called for her resignation. he told her apology was lame. watch this.
>> congressman omar is terrible, what she said. and i think she should either resign from congress or she should certainly resign from the house foreign affairs committee. >> so if he doesn't know about a fellow republican but bengals a democrat. why the double standard? >> it's convenient amnesia. this is typical donald trump. he's been this way all along. he always has a tendency to elevate his allies and try to eliminate his enemies. that's what he continues to do and he will always do that. that's part of his nature. whether we're talking a political enemy or a personal enemy or a business enemy, he wants to do away with them. so i think it is not right for us to put them into any components. race or religion or any type of specific issue. if someone is an point of this
president, he will say or do anything to get them out of the way, out of their position and this is a classic example. >> so after two days, the president finally reacted to the charges against a coast guard officer who planned to kill several high profile journalists and democratic politicians. watch this. >> i think it is a shame. yeah. i think it is a very sad thing. when a thing like that happens. i've expressed it. i'm getting a very complete briefing in about two hours. >> do you think you bear any responsibility? >> no. i think my slalanguage is very nice. >> according to court documents, this is very serious, lieutenant christopher hasan did google searches if what are if trump illegally peached and civil war if trump impeached?
>> there were a lot of things donald trump should have done differently. he has the best words and biggest brain. we're tall idiots. he uses very nice words. only a couple days ago, he tweeted to the "new york times," the real enemy of the people. how many times has he done this. there was a report that he has treated negatively against the press 1,300 times since becoming a candidate. and those tweets have increased versus his tweeting about other things has decreased. his attacks against journalists and media have increased. they also put out a report that there are 28 journalists jailed around the world this year because of fake news allegations in other places around the world. when there were only nine at this point last year. this is reverberating. not only in the united states but across the world. it is making journalists less safe. it is emboldening these crazies
out here who are looking for reasons to do things they shouldn't be doing. like this guy. this coast guardsman. who knows how long he was planning that? or the guy sending mail bombs in october where cnn was evacuated and there were other journalists target. who knows how long they've been thinking about that? the president of the united states continues on put these things out there. words matter. donald trump is so irresponsible and he is creating this environment where people think it is to know target the media when that's not how we do things in this country. so yes, of course, donald trump could have hanned it differently. he is never going on change. this is who he is. >> i think my language is very nice. this is some of the nice language. >> you are a rude, terrible person. what a stupid question that is. that's okay. i know you're not thinking. you never do. you're creating violence by your questions. you know? you are creating.
some of the media is terrific. but most of it, 70%, 75% is absolute dishonest, absolute scum. remember that. scum. >> hmmm. >> that's a short list. >> that is a short list. >> don -- >> if anyone in this country knows that words matter, it is donald trump. and that is exactly yes uses the words that he uses going all the way back to little marco, lyin' ted, you can go down the whole list of his republican challengers. on occasion he does say some nice things. when we're talking about the hasan situation, what he did was terrible and i hate that he sin singled out many people including you. he did that in the name of hate. and this week we've been talking about the actor smollett and what he did. look, that was in the name, we don't know exactly what happened
about it appears this was in the name of greed. i think to take any of these instances for grown-up people making terrible, hateful, awful decisions -- >> we can't -- >> i think to blame this president. >> we can't blame him. he's responsible for creating an environment. he's responsible for creating an environment. don't give it a pass. it desenses tieses people. >> real quickly, we had president obama. he didn't spend every day in his office tweeting about people he disliked. we've had other presidents, george w. bush, bill clinton, who have never done this. i know you're there sometimes is if you would call out donald trump and not allow republicans to give him cover when he does this. he has created the climate. and he is the one who can help tamp down.
>> if we care about someone else's language, someone who says, this is maga country, then we need to care about another person's language who says we're the enemy of the people. if we gary someone lying about a fake situation in chicago, then we should care about this. both are liars. he gets a pass from his supporters every single day. if you care about one lie, you have to care about the other lie. especially when the eye lie is coming from the president in the highest office. >> i'm not excusing the president at all. what he says in staying press is the enemy of the people. you can't blame him for everyone else's actions. >> okay. see you. i hear it in the background and she's watching too, saying
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campaign. we've been at this now nearly two years, believe it or not. >> does this make you happy? >> you know, i've been of two minds of this. on the one hand, i have to say, it's been a long campaign. i'm tired. i have four, little kids. we left it all on the field last november, we thought, initially that we had lost. and we were as surprised as anyone to see the state board of elections refuse to certify this case and to see the depth and the breadth of this election fraud that some people are saying is the largest case of election fraud in living recommememory. but i've also come to realize that this culture of corruption, this idea that politicians will put themselves before the people they are supposed to serve, this is exactly why i felt a calling
to serve in the first place. so, i've come to believe this is a fight that's bigger than any of us. bigger than any election. it means, what does it mean to live in a democracy and be an american. >> take your vitamins. you left it all on the field. you had these months now of not knowing, this uncertainty. now, they say, okay, a new election. you don't know when that could be. next month or in october, correct? >> they have not set the date yet. we don't know what the ballots will look like. a lot of people will look at that in the coming days. >> you know the president talks about voter fraud all the time, not the way that this played out, right? usually he's talking about democrats or whatever, trying to steal the election. he was asked this afternoon, why he hadn't spoken out about north carolina's election fraud. this is what he said. >> i condemn any voter fraud of
any kind, if it's democrat or republican. but when you look at the things that happened in california, in particular, when you look at what's happened in texas, with all of the votes they recently found that were not exactly properly done, i condemn all of it. and that includes north carolina. >> so, that was a bit of deflection there. just for the truth sake, the voter fraud incidents in california and texas, the ones he is referring to, they are false or misleading. in your race, there's criminal election fraud, that forced an election do-over. what would you have liked to have heard from the president? >> well, i think it's pornlt e'. this is a bit of a learning opportunity for a lot of people across the country. what we had in north carolina was not voter fraud. it was election fraud. this is not voters doing anything wrong. voters were the victim of a
widespread criminal operation, financed by my opponent, where they would go to doors and steal absentee ballots and go in front of early society voeting sites and steal absentee ballots. some of those were never founded, ballots were manipulated. we heard testimony about people taking ballots and filling vote choices in. leaked early voting information from the board of elections to mark harris' campaign. this is election fraud. the most important thing was the historic victory that we had yesterday, where republicans and democrats on that board came together and said, we care about our democracy in north carolina, and sent a message across this country, across the world, that this will not stand. we're going to fight for our right to vote in north carolina. that matters. >> let me ask you specifically, to my question. what would you have liked to have heard from the president?
>> well, it sounded like -- that's the first time i've heard that clip. and it sounded like he did condemn the activity in north carolina, which i appreciate. having lived, now, through this over the course of many weeks, i would have appreciate e ed a lo more people condemning what happened here earlier. this is an attack on our democracy. >> dan mccready, i appreciate your time. thank you so much. >> good to be on with you. >> thanks for watching. our coverage continues. i think it will fit. want a performance car that actually fits your life? introducing the new 2019 ford edge st. capability meets power. in the first suv from the ford performance team. the new 2019 ford edge st
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