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medicare? it's worth remembering that medicare and social security were criticized when they were first proposed and have been backed by presidents ever since. strengthening the social safety net is not socialism. while far-left policies may end up being kryptonite, don't believe the hype that we're facing socialism. >> john avlon, thank you so much. i'm ryan nobles in for ana cabrera. a wild week for president trump, second summit with kim jong-un, national emergency fight, deadly clashes in venezuela. and, oh, yeah, a little hearing involving his now convicted former fixer michael cohen. no time to waste. sarah westwood is at the white
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house. look at the calendar, sarah, and it's incredible to think on the same day that president trump is meeting with kim jong-un, michael cohen will be testifying in public on capitol hill. how is the white house preparing for the next few days? >> reporter: well, ryan, the white house says that president trump is completely focused on preparations for his meeting with kim jong-un. they say he won't be worried about the testimony that his former lawyer will be delivering. but, of course, there are concerns here at the white house that cohen's testimony could overshadow the president's diplomatic efforts. it's going to be quite the split screen on wednesday when cohen is testifying before the house oversight and government reform committee, the same day that president trump is sitting down with kim jong-un in vietnam for his second summit with the north korean leader. the white house hopes to use the backdrop of vietnam, which was once hostile toward the u.s., as an example of the economic revival and prosperity that
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could be available to the north koreans if they would stop their stance to the u.s. trump acknowledged that point in a tweet writing chairman kim realizes perhaps more than anyone else that without nuclear weapons his country could become one of the fastest growing economies in the world. secretary of state mike pompeo raised some eyebrows when he told our jake tapper that north korea still poses a nuclear threat. president trump has declared north korea no longer a threat to the u.s. take a listen to what pompeo has to say. >> do you think north korea remains a nuclear threat? >> yes. >> but the president said he doesn't. >> that's not what he said. >> he tweeted there's no longer a nuclear threat from north korea. >> what he said was that the efforts that had been made in singapore, this commitment that chairman kim made, have substantially taken down the risk to the american people.
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it's the mission of secretary of state and president of the united states to keep the american people secure. >> now, officials say a major goal of this summit will be to gauge north korea's willingness to denuclearize. pompeo said that the administration will be looking for a clear, verifiable step from north korea toward that goal, ryan. >> sarah, the president making some news tonight about a big announcement regarding tariffs in china. what can you tell us about that? >> reporter: that's right, ryan. president trump said will he push back the deadline for negotiations with the chinese delegation about trade. remember that on march 1st, tariffs on $250 billion worth of chinese goods were set to go up from 10% to 25%, but president trump pushed that off by saying that there's been tremendous progress made between chinese and american negotiators, saying that he and chinese president xi jinping plan to seal the deal at
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a mar-a-lago summit. >> sarah, thank you so much. joining me now to talk about all of this, security analyst and correspondent for "the new york times," mark marzetti. also here, presidential historian and former director of the nixon presidential library, timothy neftali. let's start with michael cohen first, mark. two of these sessions will be private. the one on wednesday will be public. and i want you to take a listen to what republican congressman jim jordan had to say about that. >> they're bringing in michael cohen to testify in front of congress next week. michael cohen, to testify in front of congress and in two weeks michael cohen is going to prison for lying to congress. >> he does have a point there, doesn't he, mark? what do democrats have to gain
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from that hearing wednesday beyond just embarrassing the president? >> we know that he won't be talking about the central questions, the russia investigation. he won't be talking about anything related to the mueller probe. the republicans want to call him a liar and say that nothing he says is possibly credible. democrats would want to get into cohen's relationship with trump, the relationship over time at the trump organization, what type of businessman trump was. they clearly see a strategy where they can embarrass, as you say, the president at a time when the president is thousands of miles away, trying to be presidential at a summit in vietnam. >> so, tim, to that point, the president is going to the summit with kim jong-un. the testimony will be happening while he's meeting with kim jong-un. there's an optical issue for the president, public relations issue but there's a significant polish for him as well. how crucial is this week in the
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donald trump presidency because, oh, by the way, there's also a crisis in venezuela that he has to deal with? >> often you don't know if something is a turning point until it's happened but the president's challenge is that he wants whatever happens in hanoi to distract from what mr. cohen will say. one of the things that happened in the watergate period was that the american people heard testimony for months about the misconduct of the nixon administration well before the impeachment process began. i'm not suggesting that an impeachment process will begin in this case but what the public has heard is learned either from the media or mueller's indictments. we're about to get the mueller report. it's a good time for the american people to learn more about the nature of the trump organization and the president's campaign and then sort it out themselves, but this will increase, i think, the amount of public information. at the same time, the president
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has to be careful not to rush some kind of symbolic agreement with the north koreans in order just to distract from his political problems at home. in 1998, bill clinton was attacked, i believe wrongly, for wagging the dog. for trying to distract from the monica lewinsky case by going after bin laden. he was absolutely right to, people just didn't understand what a threat he was. they felt he was using it fo distract. they were wrong in '98 but they could be right in 2019. >> maybe not this week, but the week after, the mueller report is supposed to be out. >> we will subpoena the report. we will bring bob mueller in to testify before congress. we'll take it to court if necessary. in the end, i think the department understands they'll have to make this public. i think barr will ultimately
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understand that as well. >> that's, of course, adam schiff, the chairman of the house intelligence committee. mark, how much of this report do you actually think we'll see? do you think there could be a situation where this report is issued and anybody in the american public will be able to read it from top to bottom? >> i happen to think that we will see the entire report at some point. maybe sooner rather than later. that even if it gets hung up in terms of the battle over how much is released, things leak, i think eventually the american public will see what robert mueller has found. the big question, of course, is in the interim how much the attorney general barr will make public, how much of this summary is going to be a real cliff notes version or is going to be more -- barr has said he wants it to be more fullsome. as you see with schiff's comments, anything short of the full disclosure is going to create this continued firestorm
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about the conclusions. people won't accept them unless they see the full conclusions. and, i should say, even after we see the full conclusions, we're already seeing positioning about, you know, what to expect. some are dialing down expectations and some on the president's side are saying, well, nothing short of clear conspiracy between the president and vladimir putin would make this whole thing worthwhile. >> to that end, tim, shouldn't president trump want the whole report out? wouldn't it be to his benefit? shouldn't he demand that barr make it public? >> depends on what's in it. the future of donald trump's legal status, we also want to prevent our country from being vulnerable from russian penetration in the 2020 election. one of the things i'm looking for is the evidence that gave our country certainty that vladimir putin not only ordered
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this attack on our democracy but had a clear favorite. cia and fbi had high confidence that his clear favorite is donald trump. my concern is sources and methods and that's the kind of stuff that will get redacted. for the health of our democracy we shouldn't just be asking what extent does this put don juror the president in >> we saw the paul manafort sentencing memo come out. do you think there's anything we can glean to where the special counsel is heading or was it specific to paul manafort and his future? >> truly it's to the latter. a lot of people perhaps were anticipating that this memo would be a real fullsome description of a skurconspiracy
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case, how paul manafort pit into this broader case of collusion. it was a rehash of some of paul manafort's now well-documented crimes and, you know, the special counsel threw the book at him. but there was not any more of the narrative of what -- as tim said, the bigger story here is with the russian interference to the election and how trump and his associates fit into this. certainly for some people who were expecting that, they were disappointed yesterday. >> mark mazzetti, tim naftali, thank you for being here. appreciate it. reports of five people killed, hundreds injured and several aid trucks set on fire and destroyed this weekend in venezuela. plus, virginia's embattled governor comparing himself to jim crow era lynching victims. details from his surprise speech as he battles sexual assault
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the deepening crisis in and around venezuela, vice president mike pence will be there tomorrow. burned out trucks full of medicine and food for needy people. troops still loyal to president nicolas maduro. at least five people were reported killed. here is the u.s. secretary of state mike pompeo. >> a tragic day, multiple deaths but mostly a tyrant to denied food to those who are hungry and medicine to those who are sick. hundreds have been starved to death by maduro. >> reporter: nick paton walsh shows us the desperation fueling
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those deadly clashes. >> reporter: it had been billed as a new dorm when refugees would simply take aid back in their homeland across the busiest border bridge with colombia but it was closed blocked by venezuelan riot police. i'm venezuelan she says, holding up her i.d. my father was a sergeant. how would you stop me crossing? but they were venezuelans, too, and also knew its collapse, its hunger. the water you're drinking, she says, it's colombian, because your president doesn't give you any. bring him out here to us. >> translator: i eat or drink soda whenever i want here, he says.
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the hardest pain is how my grandfather died because he didn't have medicine. for a brief moment, the anger dissipated. the police lowered their shields, talked calmly. but down the road the promised aid convoy arrived and a huge crowd, intent on pushing through. shields have gone back up again and the protesters are recommending people start to move back. >> reporter: this was why. slow march of opposition protesters. peaceful in as far as they would not take no for an answer. it fast collapsed into tear gas. the day's lofty goals soon lost in a routine exchange of hatred.
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rocks against rubber bullets and rocks thrown back. did you expect to have blood on your shirt today? did you expect that to happen today? protesters took their fight underneath. they, many, but maduro's police are mightier. they have only whatever they could make. none of this chaos got any aid across here. but it showed the uncompromising f voracity of the maduro governmen government. mobs cursing and cheering. this will only get uglier, seeing the mobbing of pro-maduro militia here, battered by the crowd and spared only by
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democratic presidential candidate kamala harris campaigning through iowa and getting pressed on what she thinks blew up the democrats' blue wall in 2016. >> trump blew up the blue wall, pennsylvania, michigan, wisconsin. this state has been rig32 count switched to vote for donald trump. how and why did that happen? >> i'll leave that to the pundits but i'll tell you -- >> if i'm a democratic voter and i want trump gone, i want a better answer than that in the sense of don't you have to know why it happened to know how to fix it? >> no question. not only why it happened but i think the bigger question is, what do the american people want from their leader? that's the question i ask. when i sit down with folks in their living rooms, in a coffee
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shop, in a town hall, what they're talking about is the need to be able to -- to be able to work hard and pay the bills at the end of the month. >> joining me now to talk about this democratic strategist, maria cardona and ben ferguson. listening to john ask this question and i asked candidates process questions before. that's what this is. it's a process question. they always hate it. they say they only want to talk about the issues. maria, shouldn't she have a better understanding of what blew up the blue wall in 2016? that could be an important lesson for the trtic nominee to understand. right? >> sure. of course, ryan. but you know as well as all of us that we talked about this ad nauseum after donald trump's surprise win. and we can all talk about a whole slue of issues, the russians, jim comey coming in at the end, putting his thumb on the scale, hillary clinton perhaps not visiting wisconsin or these states as much as she
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should have. there are a whole slue of reasons why. i think what kamala was trying to get to was probably as a democratic candidate the most important one. i think at the end of the day, we can say that the democratic message was not resonant enough for folks in the states to come in and pull the lever for the democratic candidate. i think that's why she was focusing on the issues. moving forward, what we're seeing in the states that were the blue wall is the rebuilding of that blue wall, ryan. the gallup poll came out just now and donald trump is completely upside down in wisconsin, michigan and pennsylvania and in iowa, where john king and kamala harris were having that conversation, he is at a 52% disapproval rating. we cannot take anything for granted as democrats. it's not going to ab a slam dunk. it's a good place to start.
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>> quickly respond. >> senator harris should definitely hire maria. at least she's being realistic with what happened to democrats and she doesn't understand that, that's why her reason was so awkward. she doesn't understand that there were american voters who clearly felt like the democratic party had abandoned them, was not listening to them on jobs and the economy and the day in, day out struggles and that's why donald trump won in these areas. people said under obama and under hillary clinton and their leadership, they did not listen to us. they did not help us. they did not bring back jobs. the president at the time, obama talked about jobs, manufacturing jobs are gone. they're never coming back and donald trump said no, they are going to come back and i'm going to be the one to do it. that's the reason why he won. i think this is concerning for democrats and other candidates should pay attention to this moment and realize if you don't understand why people rejected you last time, you have no shot of winning this time. and i think this was a big oops for her and a big oops for her
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campaign and i would be shocked if other democrats running against her do not seize on this, you have no idea what these people have gone through, what their concerns are. you just want to be president and that's not good enough. >> breaking news that i need you to respond to. hang on here with me for a second. moments ago, president trump spoke at the governor's ball where he was hosting the nation's governors. this is president trump at the white house tonight, hosting the nation's governors. listen to what the president had to say. >> and that's a big thing. and i'll give you a little advance information. i see steve mnuchin is here and ambassador lighthizer. we just left a big meeting with china. we just put out a statement that we're doing very well with china. it was a long weekend. they decided to stay for 2 1/2 more days. they'll probably be leaving late tonight. they're going back and, if all works well, we'll have very big news over the next week or two.
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and it's really been terrific. i tell you, that whole relationship has been outstanding. we put ourselves into a position of strength for the first time in about 35 years or probably a lot more than that, but china has been terrific. we want to make a deal that's great for both countries and that's really what we're going to be doing. i think as governors, most of you -- many of you are governors and doing an incredible job. and so many have come up and said how are you doing with china, which is a very unusual question for people to come up and ask. almost every one. sir, how are you doing with china? because it affects your state so much. china is everywhere. i think you'll be very -- really amazed with what you see. maybe. let's see what happens. we still have a little ways to go. would you say that's correct, mr. ambassador? we have a little bit. thank you, bob, you've been working 24 hours, around the clock. i will say this publicly. when i was able to be lucky
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enough to win the presidency, i called bob lighthizer because for years people have known he's the greatest trader that we have on this type of trade. we have many different types of trade. and i really understand now why. thank you very much. fantastic job, and steve. and also i was going to leave very early tomorrow. i'm going to do it a little bit later. i had an option to do it at 6:00 in the morning or 11:00. i chose 11:00. this way we can spend a little bit of time with you tomorrow morning because you're having a breakfast. i'm coming to the breakfast. i said really what kind of an option is that? 6:00 in the morning or 11:00? 6:00 or anywhere between 11:00 or 12:00. i said i'll take 11:00 to 12:00. you're having a breakfast tomorrow. i'll be with you at the breakfast. we'll be leaving for hanoi, vietnam. and we'll be meeting with kim
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jong-un. it's a very interesting thing to say but i've developed a very good relationship. we'll see what that means. but he has never had a relationship with anybody from this country and hasn't had lots of relationships anywhere. and i always say, you know -- the media sometimes will say what have they given up? we've given up nothing. the sanctions are on. everything is on. but we have a special feeling and i think it will lead to something very good. maybe not. i think ultimately it will, but maybe not. i'm not pushing for speed. but we're not removing the sanctions. and we're going to have, i think, a very interesting 2 1/2 days in vietnam. and we have a chance for the total denuclearization of an area of the world that was very dangerous. when i first came in or, more particularly at the end of the last administration, there were rockets going up. there were missiles going up.
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there were bombs going off. there were massive canons being tested. if you ever saw the picture of the beach. i've never seen anything like it where you have literally thousands of canons on the beach shooting into the waters and there was nuclear testing. in fact, they thought it was earthquakes. they said there are massive earthquakes. then they realized it was north korea. wow, they think maybe that's not an earthquake. now there's no testing, no rockets, no nuclear testing and we get along well. very well. so, it will be very interesting to see. and as i tell chairman kim, he has a chance to have a country that is so vibrant economically, maybe one of the most in the world. he has a location that's unbelievable. as a real estate person i've always done very well with location but he's right between china, russia and on the other side, south korea. so they can't touch each other unless they go through north
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korea. and i say, you know, one of the greatest locations. they have incredible people. hard-working people, smart, energetic. i think it can be really one of the great financial and economic countries anywhere in the world. i tell him that. but you can't do that if you're going to keep nuclear. if you're going to do nuclear, that can't ever happen. we see eye to eye, i believe. but you'll be seeing it more and more over the next couple of days, one way or another. what's going to happen? i can't tell you. eventually, i think it would, but i can't tell you. i don't want to rush anybody. i just don't want testing. as long as there's no testing, we're happy. so, we've done, really, something very special with respect to north korea and it's a long flight. and i'll be back at the end of the week. we have two very interesting days planned and i think it's a very important thing. prime minister abe of japan said
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he can't believe what's happened in a short period of time because rockets were being fired over japan. rockets and missiles, both. and now that hasn't happened in -- long time. 16 months, 17 months. no more testing. no more rockets, no more checking to see whether or not this stuff works. you'll be seeing it. i think it will be interesting for people to see. there's a chance to do something very, very special. it's exciting. likewise, it will be the largest trade deal ever made by far, if you look at it. our trade with china. we are very close. those roadway couple of interesting things. our country is doing incredibly well economically. in terms of value we've picked up $18 trillion. china -- i don't want this, but china has lost about $24 trillion. so they were catching us, catching us, catching us. and now we've zoomed out.
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and i can say this. as long as i'm president, they're not going to catch us. and they're going to do well, but i want them to do well but they're not going to catch us. so, i just want to give a toast to the incredible people in this room and to our unbelievable country. we have a very, very special country. i want to thank our first lady for having done -- such a beautiful job. melania, thank you very much. i want to thank you. and i would like to ask governor bullock to come up, from a place i like for the obvious reason. thank you, governor. thank you very much. >> that is president donald trump tonight at the white house for the governor's ball, annual gathering of governors, both
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republican and democrat, who meet at the white house during the meetings that they had in washington this week. he had quite a bit to say as i bring back in maria cardona and ben ferguson. i specifically want to point you to what he had to say about his expectations with kim jong-un. ben, it seems to me he seems to be dialing back those expectations quite a bit. after the first summit -- >> but i -- >> let me finish. korean peninsula basically was no longer a nuclear threat. now he's saying he doesn't want to rush anyone. as long as there's no testing, he'll be happy. i'm not saying it's not a smart strategy on behalf of the president but isn't he certainly painting a different picture than he did the last time around? >> the first time around he was trying to have a dialogue and a conversation with a leader that had been completely isolated from the world, a nuclear threat to the world and a threat that the last president told the president about, that this is one of the biggest threats you
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need to know about, referring to north cleekorea. that's what obama told trump. so i think it was trying to encourage that dialogue in public and talking about how he wanted them to have a conversation. he wanted them to meet. it was great news and they would come into the world and have these conversations. and he's also a realist. this may not happen, quote, we'll see. these two days coming up are very important. also when you're going to meet with someone like kim jong, you want him to know we want to do a deal but we're not desperate. we want to bring you into the wor world. everybody in the world should be rooting for denuclearization and bring north korea into the world in a responsible manner where they're not a threat to everyone. and i hope that the president is successful in this. no matter who the president is, if you're able to get someone
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like this to the table and to actually, possibly, denuclearize, we should all be wanting it and rooting for it. i hope the president accomplishes this. there shouldn't be anything political about it. >> maria, just describe president trump as it relates to this issue as a realist in terms of how he's approaching it. do you think in a way these remarks we heard tonight are much more tempered than the way he has talked about this in the past? >> sure. >> is that how you describe the president, as a realist, in this approach in. >> noch. i think he's actually incredibly naive and as always tries to paint a picture that is very nonrealistic. i agree with ben in that it is better to have our countries speaking than not because if we're speaking, that means that we're not on the brink of war. though, who knows what kd happen and what could come out of the president's mouth or of the
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north korean leader's mouth. north korea has given up nothing and we have given them something that kim jong-un has desired for so long, from the moment he took power and what his dad and his dad before that had desired, too, which was a seat at the table with the big boys. no one else has given him that except for donald trump. so, what is the incentive for north korea to give up anything? they are not going to give anything up. and i think that anybody who really believes that, that they're going to do that without a strategy -- and i think that's the bottom line. what is the strategy here? you know, donald trump -- >> maria -- >> hang on. hang on. donald trump tweets not too long ago that north korea is no longer a nuclear danger. mike pompeo says today that north korea is still a nuclear danger. what kind of strategy is that? what kind of message is that
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going into the summit? >> maria? >> it makes no sense. >> maria, i'll say it again. i'll say it again. when you're dealing with someone like kim jong, you clearly know that he is an individual who is incredibly paranoid and also is doing everything he can to show his muscles with nuclear power. and i think -- >> two peas in a pod maybe? >> let me finish. let me finish. i think the president understood two things. one, our old strategy of isolation, not giving him a seat at the table with, quote, the big boys, clearly was bringing us closer to war. you stroke this individual's ego. you have a dialogue. you try to get them talking with south korea, which also worked. you have them meet with south korea, which also has worked. >> what do you mean has worked? has worked to do what? they're not denuclearizing. >> having a dialogue is the first starting point. the old strategy, which had been done by republicans and democrats, of total isolation, clearly was a failure.
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that's the reason why barack obama -- >> they had continued to talk, ben. >> -- said you need to worry about this. >> there had always been dialogue. >> you said it. >> we've got to go. we're out of time. appreciate you guys rolling with the punches with the breaking news. i'm sorry i have to cut you off. that's just the way television works. ben ferguson, maria cardona, thank you for being here. to make you everybody else... ♪ ♪ means to fight the hardest battle, which any human being can fight and never stop. does this sound dismal? it isn't. ♪ ♪ it's the most wonderful life on earth. ♪ ♪ yeah, i thought doing some hibachi grilling would help take my mind off it all.
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jussie smollett after he was charged with staging a hate crime in chicago. >> howard posted this video of a babysitting on smollett's lap and fits of giggles. it was captioned we love the hell out ta you. he claimed two women attacked him while yelling homophobic slurs and pouring some chemical on him. but police say after putting hundreds of hours of man power into the visicase, they determi that smollett paid two men $3500 to stage the attack, all in the hopes that the publicity would earn him a bigger salary. after a fan criticized him for showing support on instagram, the actor replied in the the comment section, quote, the jussie is i know would never
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conceive of something so ugly his innocence or judgment is not for any of us to decide. stay in your lane and my lane is empathy and love and compassion for someone i called my son for five years. it's god's job to judge and it's ours to love and hope. especially for those that we claim to have loved. i want to bring in pop culture expert john murray. he knows jussie smollett personally. he surprised a lot of people this week when he went straight from the courthouse to the set of "empire" and doubled down on his innocence to his cast mates. how much backing does he have on the set of the show, especially because he was written out of the final two episodes of the season? >> optics are everything. fox had to make a decision that was best for the show and their franchise. but i have been b talking to people very close to the set. some of the higher ups. they say they are conflicted. they saw the press conference. they saw what the superintendent in chicago presented in their case about jussie smollett, but
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they feel like they know him personally and they believe their guy. so they are not joining the c cancel culture or the the mob mentality where everybody tells you how you are to execute your believes. and terrance howard has been an outlier. he's not going to abandon a friend. the cast of "empire" is is a family. they are going to standby their guy because he's standing by the story. >> there's been a lot of criticism in his direction. but there's a season for all these things. is there a possibility that you could see him redeeming himself and that had could end up working in hollywood on a regular basis again? >> this is either going to make for one hell of a lifetime movie or the most amazing crossover episode. but this is what i know for sure. if the criminal justice system finds him guilty, i don't believe there's a space for him to work in this business. as a person who was the face of two marginalized groups and said
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these things happened to him, if it turns out to be a hoax, i don't believe hollywood would welcome him back in any regard. if he is telling the truth and he has out and the stories have been coming out contend iing th things that the superintendent in chicago has said all weekend listening f they can prove he's innocent, he will be back to work. >> so that same judge who oversaw the bond hearing oversaw r. kelly's hearing yesterday. they set his bond on $1 million. r. kelly is still in jail because he couldn't come up with the money. he owes hundreds of thousands in child support. he's also tasing eviction from his studio. should we be surprised by his financial situation? >> i'm not surprised because i have known it people very close to r. kelly's camp. i have understood there's been a history of mismanagement of funds, of him sell issing off parts of his publishing. the general public are pretty
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shocked. this guy has done 17 solo albums. he's done a movie for fx. he's done dvds and sound tracks and written hits for some of the biggest tars known to man. but he has sold off parts of his publishing over years. universal music dropped him even before sony back in january. but what is happening is r. kelly is is hoping for the workweek to start and will probably approach companies who do performance rights revenue and try to get advanced money from them to help make bail. i did see that one of the fans started a gofundme page but it only raised $370. so they are a long way from meting their goal. >> a long way. you have interviewed r. kelly before ask know people that work at his house in chicago. we have about a minute left. what's the reaction from the people that you're talking to
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now that he's facing the very graphic charges? >> i don't want to share specific stories about what the people told me that were working this the house, but the things that they told me are worse than i have heard from most horror films. the things that r. kelly has done are horrendous. when i interviewed him, he was a very charismatic, very nice guy. we talked openly about him being i'll literate. so i can see how people can be engaged by him. i see why fans are sticking with him. but r. kelly, he has justice to face. >> john murray, terrific insight. we appreciate you being on with us. have a terrific night. that does it for me tonight. thank you for watching. up next it's a cnn special report. the two faces of kim jong-un. thanks for watching. have a great night.
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the following is a cnn special report. >> the best way to destroy an enemy, abraham lincoln once said, is to make him a friend. president lincoln, meet kim jong-un. >> anybody said we'd be sitting here today talking about kim jong-un sitting down with president donald trump. >> he's like a maniac. >> you would have thought we were insane. >> in just months, we have gone from schoolyard taunts. >> he's a sick puppy. >> to the hair raising rhetoric of war. >> they will be met with fire and fury. >> to a history-making moment. >> trump's groundbreaking summit with kim jong-un.


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