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>> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. >> welcome to your "new day." we begin with breaking news. president trump is on a plane on his way back from his second summit with north korean leader kim jong-un and he's coming back with nothing. the meeting was cancelled midway through. he walked away, cutting the meeting short. president trump said talks fell through after the north said the united states should lift all sanctions. he said he and kim jong-un don't see eye to eye on what denuclearization entails. >> he has a certain vision. it is not exactly our vision, but it's closer than it was a year ago. eventually i think we'll get
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there. for this particular visit we decided that we had to walk. we'll see what happens. >> it is already a busy news morning here. cnn just learned the president was actually advised by senior members of his national security team that a deal would be unlikely, even though the president himself thought kim was ready to deal. president trump was advised by senior people on his staff including secretary of state mike pompeo and john bolton he should walk away from the talks if they proved unfruitful. meanwhile as this was happening in vietnam, president trump's former lawyer michael cohen was giving damning testimony on capitol hill. in a flip michael cohen claims president trump committed crimes while in office. cohen will be on capitol hill meeting with the house intelligence committee this morning behind closed doors. president trump is calling michael cohen a liar. joining us to discuss these
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developments we have maggie haberman. great to have you here. it's been a busy morning. for people just waking up, the deal fell apart. well, a potential deal that the president was hoping he would strike in vietnam never came to pass. it seemed abrupt -- the ending because the table was set for lunch. >> literally. >> the table with the settings was waiting for the leaders. it never came to pass. the signing ceremony was cancelled. our reporting is that it was really the president alone who felt he would be able to sway kim jong-un when his advisers around him said it would be unlikely. >> it became clear that the image of them sitting together over lunch when the president was warned this was not going to happen, this would be problematic for the president going forward, especially after the day back home with michael cohen's testimony. look, this is ironically the president will be praised by members of his own party for
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what he did in terms of walking away. he won't be praised for giving kim cover about the death of otto warmbier and saying he takes his word for it. to your point, the only person who seemed to think it was possible going ahead under this dynamic was the president. this is why you have national security advisers and professionals and foreign policy professionals and why previous presidents have tended to listen to them instead of going with their own gut. it may end up fine, but it is a waste of time. he literally got nothing. it became clear yesterday he was going to get nothing out of this. they'll put the best spin they can on it. but when the president describes these things in grand terms as possibilities, when they fall apart it is notable. >> it is interesting, maggie. you raise the point there were critics on both sides of the aisle concerned that the
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president would give away too much. he didn't. he left without giving away what people were worried about. on the other hand, even though you have to be prepared to walk as the president said repeatedly this morning, it's a long way to fly. 8,000 miles is a long way to fly literally and figuratively. going to kim jong-un for a second time it is a long way to fly just to walk with nothing. >> on the one hand the president would say we tried. it's good to show you were serious about getting this kind of a deal. his critics will say he continues to act like he can have a good faith negotiation with a dictator who doesn't have any interest in denuclearizing. that became clear to the president. this is an interesting moment in his presidency. he seems to be acknowledging objective reality on a foreign policy matter he's tried to will into existence. we'll see what the aftereffects
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are. this is an important moment. >> i think it is also a stark illustration of, as you know well, maggie, president trump believes that no one is immune from his charms really. in his past life as the head of the trump organization, his powers of persuasion did go a long way. now he's running up against real world international realities. he can't close the deal. i just think we have watched all of this play out over the past 72 hours. >> it isn't even can't close the deal. there was no deal. that's the important point. this isn't like there were terms on the table and they couldn't agree to final stages. this is that the president wanted something to be that his own advisers were telling him was not going to happen. again, the problem has been for the president over and over he's treated government as another version of what he did in his real estate business.
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it's just not the same. >> one of the things that's interesting to do with breaking news is to follow you following the news. yesterday i was paying attention to your analysis of michael cohen's testimony on capitol hill. one of the moments that caught your attention is when michael cohen testified that the president instructed him while cohen was speaking with a reporter, emily jane fox, the president instructed him to lie about the hush money payments. why is that significant? >> look, the argument from cohen's detractors is we didn't learn a lot new. on the broad stroke level that's true. it's breathtaking to hear this said on the record, on camera under penalty of perjury, especially about a president who tends to act like if something isn't on audio or video it doesn't exist. it was undeniable what michael cohen was saying that this was his version of events. things michael cohen talked about the president doing while
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he was president, it's not that they are worse, but they are different. when it comes to congress's oversight role it gets in the eelhou of what they can do something about. as president, instructing his former lawyer to lie about his involvement and knowledge about payments we now know are related to a campaign finance violation, a federal campaign finance violation is striking. the fact that he was making payments as president, still signing checks himself, is striking and significant. what significance it has doesn't move any republicans in the senate. possibly not based on what we have seen and as you saw republicans attack michael cohen's credibility. it affects the american people and impacts how they see things that's where you could see a difference. >> for people who say there wasn't anything new, i don't know how jaded you have to be.
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we saw the checks -- >> that's my copy. >> i'm afraid you will cash it at a bank you have been carrying it around so long. michael cohen spelled out how he and the cfo were tasked by president trump. okay, we're going to pay the 130. go back to alan's office, figure out how this is going to happen. all the color behind the scenes. that's one example. >> the color is the news. it's important to bear in mind the breathtaking amount of information we have already about the case. for instance, the audio we reported on and cnn obtained of michael cohen talking to the president before he was the president when he was the candidate about reimbursements, about the national enquirer. about ami and david pecker. michael cohen mentions alan weiselburg on the tape. to your point, it is hearing it from michael cohen's mouth that has a different impact. >> have you had a chance to
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check in with white house insiders to get their feeling on how it went yesterday? what are their concerns? >> most white house advisers were trying to avoid this and pretend it wasn't going on and look at other things. the folks in north korea clearly wished it was not going on, you know, all around them as they were dealing with this potential summit that they were -- that the president was hoping to make progress with. they were concerned about how the president was going to react. everyone i spoke to said he was pretty calm. but, look, he often has a delayed reaction. i'm not sure how much of the coverage he's seeing. the coverage is devastating for him. >> maggie, thank you very much for giving us the analysis of everything that happened yesterday and in the past 24 hours. >> when maggie haberman is a little bit surprised you know it was significant. >> i lit my hair on fire at that point. >> maggie said, that was a little interesting. you're like, whoa.
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committing crimes while in office. so what is next for democrats in the house of representatives? joining me now is david sissilini from the house judiciary committee. congressman, thanks for being with us. i want to start this conversation by listening to something chairman elijah cummings said after the hearing yesterday with michael cohen. let's listen. >> do you believe that the president committed a crime while in office? >> based on what, looking at the text and listening to mr. cohen, it appears that he did. >> so, congressman, yes or no. has the president committed crimes while in office? >> chairman cummings is correct based on the testimony we saw yesterday. it does appear that the president engaged in crimes while in office. we saw evidence really of a crime spree that began before he
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became president and continued into the white house. this was the first public oversight heari ining of the committee. the judiciary will begin work shortly. this is the beginning of oversight of the administration. we haven't been able to do oversight for two years because our republican colleagues were unwilling to do that with us. that's changed and we will now begin this work. this is serious. these are serious allegations. we have a responsibility in the judiciary committee to fully investigate these and many other claims made with respect to the president and this administration. we intend to do that. >> you said yes, based upon the evidence, crimes in office and a crime spree, you said, before office. what are the first areas you think congress needs to investigate? >> we need to investigate both the payment of hush money to influence the outcome of the presidential election. we need to look at the financial
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crimes that have been alleged. we need to look at all of the evidence that's been presented. some of it presented during the course of the special counsel's investigation. some revealed yesterday. we intend to do a robust review of all of the information and conduct oversight. we'll set out in the coming weeks our strategy and what areas we'll focus on. there is a lot of oversight that's been building up for two years that we haven't been able to do. we pleaded with our republican chairman to begin oversight hearings. we are going to do our oversight responsibilities even if our republican colleagues want to behave like defense lawyers for the president rather than independent members of another branch of government with oversight responsibility. >> i want to read you part of the constitution, article ii, section four. the president, vice president and all civil officers of the united states shall be removed from office on impeachment for and conviction of treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors. you used the phrase crime spree,
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talked about evidence of crimes while in office. does any of that constitute high crimes and misdemeanors? >> there is no question we have seen evidence in the special counsel's investigation and what mr. cohen testified to which constitutes crimes. we now have the ability to investigate these. congress is only beginning its oversight because it was in republican hands and they refused to do it. we have to corroborate evidence, bring in witnesses. we have to subpoena documents. we have a lot of work to do. >> i get that. with some democrats it seems there is a hesitancy to use the i-word, impeachment. i'm trying to understand the space between what you are willing to say today which is evidence of crimes. where is the space between crimes, evidence of crimes and
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impeachment proceedings? >> everyone wants to be careful. we recognize you have one occasion to proceed with impeachment. we ought to do it when we have gathered all of the evidence that would support it. people want to be sure they don't appear they have prejudged it. if you are asking me if it seems likely the president could be removed from office based on what we know, is it more likely today than it was on tuesday, the answer is yes. this is the beginning of the congressional investigation work. we ought to be clear about it. if the facts and the evidence warrant removal of the president from office we have a constitutionality responsibility to do it. if they do not it shouldn't be done. it shouldn't be done or avoided for a political reason. we have taken on oath. we have to conduct a full investigation, gather the documentary evidence, witnesses and make a determination as to whether it is appropriate to move forward with impeachment. >> seven hours and 20 minutes.
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what were the most surprising things to you? >> i was struck by mr. cohen's testimony about how he was really -- the line where he said to the republican members of the committee, i'm doing what you did for ten years. i did for ten years what you are doing today. i defended the president at all costs. i understand how dangerous and wrong it is. his willingness to share in a very honest way many things we didn't know about. with really no expectation that he's going to get anything. he has everything to lose by in any way being dishonest to congress. i think he was a very compelling witness and a broken man. but someone who recognized he had to look his children in the eye and could control the future, maybe not the past. >> you used the phrase "honest man" in combination with michael cohen and republicans would say those aren't words that should go together. do you think he's credible? >> i do. he acknowledged he was
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untruthful and lied for the president. the prisons are filled with people who are convicted because someone from inside the organization came forward and told the truth and is really the only way to penetrate large criminal organizations. prisons are filled with people like that. it happens all the time. it's up to the american people and members of congress to assess his credibility to look at the other evidence to support it. i thought he was credible. i thought he was honest with the committee and acknowledged his past misdeeds and past failings of being honest to congress. he brought in documentary evidence that supported many things he said. >> david cicilline of rhode island, thanks for being with us. >> what exactly is the legal jeopardy for president trump after michael cohen's testimony? ♪ ♪there's no escape... ♪ better get moving. ready or not♪ ♪'s about to go down here it comes now♪ ♪...get ready (oh oh oh oh), get ready♪
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it was a riveting display on capitol hill. seven hours of testimony from president trump's former fixer. he was venerated by democrats. he was called a liar by republicans. which is it? john avlon joins us with his five big take as in the reality check. >> it was the most consequential
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congressional testimony from a former aide since john dean helped bring down nixon. seven hours of hearings and lots of grandstanding. you can bet there is plenty of reality checks. president trump is in real legal trouble. as chairman cummings stated it appears the president committed a crime writing personal checks as president to reimburse michael cohen for hush money payments to stormy daniels and telling him to deny it. that's frowned upon. cohen testified he heard roger stone saying he was in contact with julian assange of wikileaks. bank fraud, tax fraud, insurance fraud and saying president trump is under an undisclosed investigation by the southern district of new york. partisan divide was stark. not a single other republican on the committee asked substantive questions about the allegations about the president.
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it was all attack, distract which they learned from the president. they called michael cohen a convicted liar ignoring that the lies were in service of trump. partisan inquiry gap showed republicans put party above country in this inquiry. congressman mark meadows harped on cohen's alleged failure to fill out a testimony disclosure form correctly. this was a big and loud deal. the problem is the forms don't actually ask for what meadows said they did. instead, like cohen stated they asked about contracts with foreign governments, not foreign companies or clients. number four, a repeated refrain was that the hearings were a distraction from the important things facing the country. chip roy declared without irony people supported the president because they are sick and tired of the games we are seeing here
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today. then said congress should be focused on more important things like balancing the budget and deficit reduction. i agree. someone should tell him deficit and dead have babt have balloon president trump. too many democrats gave speeches rather than eliciting new information. rasheed talib used her time to accuse -- he used lynn patton as a cross between a human exhibit a to pressure cohen to back off the claim that president trump is racist. meadows took offense and pointed out his nieces and nephews are people of color which carried more moral weight before this 2012 tape meremerged of meadows saying he wanted to send obama back to ken that. cummings confirmed and that's
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across the aisle good faith and affection we'd like to see going forward. that's your reality check. >> those were just some of the moments. thank you very much. michael cohen is actually headed back to capitol hill this morning, testifying behind closed doors before the house intelligence committee. what more will they learn beyond yesterday's explosive public testimony that accused president trump of committing crimes while in office. >> a copy of a check mr. trump wrote from his personal bank account after he became president to reimburse me for the hush money payments i made to cover up his affair with an adult film star and prevent damage to his campaign. >> joining us now a former acting u.s. solicitor general and a law professor at georgetown university. neil, great to see you.
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that was a big moment yesterday where michael cohen produced two of the checks he says president trump gave him in service of hush money payments. what was the big headline for you? >> the big headline for me is almost cultural. the checks are part of the southern district investigation in the campaign finance and the trump organization, all of that. they are not mueller. for a year now, i think a lot of the public has been focused on mueller, russia, and what he's going to do. the most important thing to come out of yesterday is to refocus american attention on the fact that federal prosecutors have already named donald trump -- they call him individual one -- as orchestrating two serious federal felonies, campaign finance violations in a november filing. now you see the pictures don't lie. you see the images of checks
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with the silly donald trump signature on them. it's really, really hard and looking problematic for the president. remember, this is a president who unlike members of the public understood the southern district investigation poses a mortal threat to him. last week the "new york times" reported that president trump tried to remove the u.s. attorney overseeing the investigation install his own person though his own person recused for ethics reasons. so the president is aware of how serious it is. and just reading the pleadings by the prosecutors, they are aware of how serious it is. >> in fact, there was a moment where michael cohen was asked what else he knows about. that sort of elicited some gasps. let me play it for the viewers. >> is there any other wrongdoing or illegal act you are aware of regarding donald trump that we haven't yet discussed today? >> yes. again, those are part of the
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investigation that's currently being looked at by the southern district of new york. >> neil, are those things we don't know about? he already laid out a host of things we know about from tax fraud to bank fraud to defrauding a charity to the campaign finance violations. did that suggest there is more than that? >> yeah. i mean that's certainly what cohen was saying. it's for good reason he didn't go further and try to detail the crimes. those are ongoing active investigations. i would expect his appearance before congress was negotiated with the investigators, the federal prosecutors so there were bound of what he could and could not talk about. that's a natural thing. that's pretty astounding. you already had cohen naming a bunch of crimes that donald trump had committed. then you had a bunch of people he identified who worked for trump who were in as part of this criminal conspiracy and who themselves lied.
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at the end of this you almost have to wonder if there is anyone donald trump was hiring who wasn't lying and committing crimes? that's the unmistakable implication of the testimony. it was riveting, striking. most importantly it was credible. the republicans really only had one defense to all of this which was they said, you know, cohen, you are a convicted liar and so on. all of that's true. but anyone who watched the testimony, i think, would see cohen had the hallmarks of credibility. he didn't go too far. he was measured. he didn't say, you know, things he didn't know. he stuck really closely to the lines, even when if he went further he could have attacked trump even more. so this kind of credibility attack on michael cohen as a liar, maybe it would be one thing coming from a different camp, but coming from the donald trump camp. it's a little bit of pot, kettle black. >> as to what michael cohen testified about in terms of the
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defrauding of the charity, the tax fraud, the bank fraud, no one is above the law. legally, what can happen next? >> i think there are two different -- i should say three different avenues. one is the one most people are talking about which is can there be a federal indictment, federal charges? there are two office of legal counsel doj opinions that say a sitting president can't be indicted. i don't think they apply to a circumstance like this which is when someone cheats or allegedly cheats in order to win the election in the first place. you wouldn't want to incentivize someone to cheat so much they become president and get a get out of jail free card. that's number one. number two, the states can prosecute him including new york that has active investigations. number three, the old constitutional chestnut in the constitution, high crimes and misdemeanors. when presidents commit them, they get impeached.
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all three are on the table in a democracy in which no one is above the law. >> neil katyal, thank you very much. michael cohen grilled about the hush money payments to stormy daniels. we'll speak to the lawmaker who led the line of questioning next. >> and a new cnn original series looks at the bush years narrated by ed harris. it will be on sunday at 9:00 p.m. on cnn. here's a look. >> i would like to introduce you to my family. the fact is i would be nothing without them. ♪ >> our four sons, our daughter, my own barbara bush. >> i think it's hard to imagine any family that have been more significant to american politics. >> i can hear you and the people who knocked these buildings down will hear all of us, too. ♪ >> bush family going back
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during the seven hours and 21 minutes of explosive testimony michael cohen claimed president trump told him to lie about hush money payments paid to adult film star stormy daniels. >> did the president call you to coordinate on public messaging about the payments to ms. cliffords in or around february 2018? >> yes. >> what did the president ask or suggest you pay about the payments or reimbursements? >> he was not knowledgeable of these reimbursements and he wasn't knowledgeable of my actions. >> he asked you to say that? >> yes, ma'am. >> of course based on cohen's testimony and evidence we have
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seen, that's a lie. joining us now, katie hill of california who asked those questions. she's a member of the house oversight committee. thanks for being with us. >> good morning. >> what did that moment tell you? >> really it told us there is a good probability and pretty strong evidence the president lied while in office and committed campaign finance law violations while in office as the president of the united states. >> we have seen the video of the president on air force one. it's pretty clear the president lied about payments to stormy daniels. pretty clear if that moment that michael cohen was testifying and emily jane fox said it, too, if that happened donald trump was telling michael cohen to lie. >> right. >> but lying to the public and lying to the press, not illegal. >> right. but the actual payments, the
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fact that the payments happened while he was president of the united states is the commission of campaign finance law violations. that's the real kicker. that's the piece we have not seen evidence of until this point including the check with his signature from his personal bank account. now we have to take that further. we have to look at corroborating evidence that shows, you know, he knowingly did this, tried to commit fraud or the finance law violation. and see if there is anything we can do to kind of contradict the claim that they are going to try to make which is that it was a retainer. >> you are talking about the check and i have a copy in my hand. people have seen it. it's dated august 1, 2017 while donald trump was in office. if you get more corroborating evidence of this and if you are convinced as you say that donald trump committed crimes while president of the united states then what? >> i think we really need to let the process play out.
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while there are offenses i think really could lead us down the road toward impeachment this is something the public has to get on board with. we have to get to the two-thirds majority in the senate and the house. as you saw yesterday, the republicans are staunchly defending the president, trying to discredit witnesses. we live in a moment where this can backfire significantly if we don't change the public opinion. i think that's why these hearings are important. the public gets to have a chance to see for themselves whether they believe the witnesses and whether -- there is not just speculation, not just reporting. this is directly hearing from people who know trump the best and who were with him when he committed these egregious acts and see if it's enough for them. for us as members of congress what else we need to follow, what other bread crumbs we need to follow to expose the truth. >> you used the phrase egregious
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acts. i want to ask because there are people who suggest -- republicans and some democrats -- if it's just a campaign finance violation or breaking campaign finance law maybe that's not so egregious it should lead to impeachment. what do you say to them? >> well, i guess -- i had the fear of god scared into me when i was running about campaign finance law violations. it's egregious because it is about lying to the public. this was about hush money paid to influence an election and influence a critically important one just days before the election to make sure a woman was sly ilenced and didn't come forward. it is not only making the campaign finance violation, it is conspiring to defraud the public. i think it is absolutely egregious. i also don't believe that's the only thing that there is.
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i think there were indications of so many acts of wrongdoing that we saw yesterday and that we are going to learn more about after today's testimony behind closed doors and in months to come. >> who do you want to hear from on your committee next? >> i would like to hear from donald trump, jr. i would like to hear from mr. weiselburg. we want to review the testimony from yesterday. it was a long hearing that we need to process and sit down and strategize with our team and with the chairman to figure out what the next steps are. those are the names that stand out as people we certainly need to talk to next. i imagine there is probably a long list of people that we should be seeing. >> you have been in congress only a short time at this point. everyone is talking about yesterday as this moment in history. >> oh, yeah. >> i don't know if you have had a chance. you have been on tv a lot. i don't know if you have had a chance to step back and reflect.
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what about being part of the history just 55 days into your time in congress? >> the magnitude of that really is heavy. as we were coming in to congress and as i started to realize i may end up on oversight, i was very aware of that. i was talking to one of my team members yesterday. as i was about to go into the hearing i was like, do you remember when it seemed like i was going onto oversight and you were like, that means you might be there when michael cohen testifies. sure enough, that was yesterday. i think it is pretty substantial. this is something that as the chairman reminded us all, this is something people can be talking about that could be in the history books for hundreds of years. that reminds you of how gravely important this job is. i think it's john dingel quoted
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as saying you have an important job, but you are not an important person. you have to remember that. we are part of history, but we have to stay humble and remember we are committing a service to the american people and doing our job is upholding the constitution and providing a check and balance on the executive branch. that's what we are doing now. >> thanks for being with us. i appreciate it. >> all right. was michael cohen's testimony the knockout punch that democrats hoped for? carl bernstein has thoughts and gives us the bottom line next. ♪ junior achievement reaches young people all over the world to prepare them for the future of work. we go into classrooms and we teach entrepreneurial skills and leadership skills. when you actually create a business when you're in your teens, it raises your self-confidence. junior achievement is really unique because they inspire young people to think creatively.
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carl bernstein, one of the legendary reporters who broke the watergate scandal. great to see you. >> good to be with you. >> you said there is a sense that there is a massive cover-up that's unraveling before our eyes. what gave you that sense? >> i think there was both a specificity and a texture and context to michael cohen's testimony and pulling strands together from various investigations. we can now see the whole ball of yarn and how the strands get pulled. we also see for the first time the fruits of robert mueller's investigatory decision-making to parcel out a lot of the investigation into the southern district of new york, to u.s. attorneys, in the district of columbia, in virginia and there
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are ongoing investigations that will ensure all of the presidential cover-up in areas financial having to do with obstruction of justice, having to do with russia, that there is now a mechanism in every jurisdiction to make sure the facts are investigated and run down to the bottom. so i think we now can see that the strategy of the special prosecutor to perpetuate his investigation no matter what happens in terms of who is the attorney general is now beginning to become more apparent. >> talk more about that. it's interesting. so many of the new details we learned were outside the small mueller realm. weren't exactly about russia. they were the hush money payments. it was the news of further sdny investigations, allegations of cooking the books for bank fraud and things like that. none of that is likely to be
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part of the mueller report next week. >> well, we don't know because obstruction is likely to figure in some way in the mueller report. what is the obstruction about? it's been about trying to keep all of these facts, i believe, from coming out in various ways, but especially as they relate to russia. if you listen very carefully to cohen's testimony there was really significant testimony about russia yesterday. and the moscow trump tower project and how both jay secalo, the president's attorney and cohen sat in the white house and were more or less in code, as he put it, instructed how to testify. he indeed testified, personjure himself and has been convicted.
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all of these strands as i said a moment ago are coming together. they are really inseparable, i think. what cohen also did is he gave us a picture, a believable picture of the man that's consistent with what others have said who know and have worked with trump. if you talked, as i have, to real estate people in new york they wouldn't do business with him. they have always regarded him as a grifter, a conman, a fraud. that's what cohen was telling us. now we have the chief financial officer of the trump organization. he's now in the crosshairs, if you want to put it that way of the investigator's sights in terms of testimony that can be compelled from him. it is significant, i think that we haven't seen anything of don,
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jr., in terms of appearing before a grand jury. that usually means perhaps he may be a target of one of these investigations. so we're going to see and we now have the congressional investigations with a democratic majority and hopefully that democratic majority will be a bit more effective and restrained in terms of its rhetoric than we saw yesterday. more interested in simply putting the facts together, especially because the republicans have shown such obstructionist tactics as we saw yesterday. >> as you have been speaking, carl, we have been watching michael cohen arrive for the closed door testimony that he'll be doing in front of the house intel committee. you saw him there with his lawyer. the question is what more is there to get out of him? behind closed doors, will he be more free to speak about the sdny investigation he said he wasn't comfortable disclosing
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yesterday? >> i don't know. but i think again there are certain things he can testify to in greater detail than he did yesterday. also the intelligence committee for the first time is no longer controlled by the republicans. they have subpoena power to get the witnesses they want in there including perhaps donald trump and weiselberg, et cetera, et cetera. >> carl bernstein, thank you very much for being with us this morning. >> thank you. >> president trump leaving the north korean summit without a deal. "newsroom" has more on this after the break. ♪(oh oh oh oh) it's taking over.♪ ♪there's no escape... ♪ better get moving. ready or not♪ ♪'s about to go down here it comes now♪ ♪...get ready (oh oh oh oh), get ready♪ ♪...moving. ready or not ♪...get ready (oh oh oh oh)
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all right. good morning, everyone. i'm poppy harlow in new york. jim is in hanoi this morning, the site of a surprise collapse of the president's second summit with north korean dictator kim jong-un. we'll dig into that in a moment. we are just moments away from the third and final day of michael cohen's test of endurance on capitol hill. president trump's former lawyer and confidant is appearing behind closed doors before the house intelligence committee fresh off an explosive appearance before house oversight. >> good to see all of you her


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