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security secretary to release undocumented migrants onto the streets of so-called sanctuary cities in order to target his political foes. a source tells cnn kirstjen nielsen resisted the plan. cnn also learned top trump adviser steven miller had a big hand in pushing the plan. "the washington post" found this idea came up more the situatione border and much more. >> he makes a pledge on family separations which will be interesting to hear what he says on that. meanwhile, we are officially in the window where we could see the redacted mueller report. it could be today. it would make for a heck of a friday news dump. it can all be viewed through the filter of the attorney general's stunning comments. he believes the trump campaign was spied on through u.s. intelligence but he didn't provide evidence or tell us what
he meant. president trump is rejoicing in the statement. this morning we are hearing from deputy attorney general rod rosenstein, the man who oversaw the mueller probe. how does he explain barr's words and choices? we begin at the white house with an effort to use law enforcement, not to mention human beings as a form of political retribution. >> reporter: good morning, john. for years president trump has railed against the country's immigration laws. it appear it is white house explored the possibility of using those laws to punish the president's political enemies. president trump is no fan of sanctuary cities. >> my administration is launching a nationwide crackdown on sanctuary cities. >> reporter: that's where he wanted to send migrants detained at the border.
the white house pressured homeland security officials to release detained migrants into so-called sanctuary cities. the president himself pushed former dhs secretary kirstjen nielsen to follow through on his plan, according to a source. why? in part to retaliate against democrats who opposed his border wall. she resisted and the dhs legal team killed the plan. "the washington post" reports house speaker nancy pelosi's district in san francisco was among those targeted. pelosi firing back saying, quote, using human beings, including little children, as pawns in their warped game to perpetuate fear and demonize immigrants is despicable. meanwhile, president trump embracing controversial comments from his attorney general, william barr >> i think spying did occur,
yes. i think spying did occur >> i think what he said was absolutely true. there was absolutely spying into my campaign. i'll go a step further. in my opinion it was illegal spying, unprecedented spying. >> reporter: a counter-intelligence investigation into a trump campaign staffer was launched legally through a warrant approved by a foreign intelligence surveillance court. now as washington race braces barr to release the report rod rosenstein is defending the four-page summary of the nearly 40-page report. rod rosenstein telling "wall street journal," he's being as forthcoming as he can and so this notion that he's trying to mislead people, i think is just completely bizarre. according to reporting in the "new york times" and "the washington post" the sanctuary cities idea was brought up first last november around the time of the midterm elections in an
email from policy advisers to dhs attorneys. in february it was brought up again before being abandoned >> boris sanchez at the white house for us. brought up at least two times. want to bring in john avlon. i want to read the lead from "the washington post." one of the reporters will be with us later. cnn matched the story but the post broke it. white house officials tried to pressure immigration authorities to release detainees on the streets of sanctuary cities to retaliate against president trump's political adversaries according to department of homeland security officials and e-mails released by the post. that's a heck of a lead. retaliate against political adversaries with human beings. >> that's the fact being reported. it is insane. do not accept this as the new normal or just another day in the trump administration. this is one of the most sinister
bits of evidence that this president and his administration do not respect the rule of law. they are being contained by professionals in agencies that try to tell them their plans to release detainees on the streets of small and mid-sized sanctuary cities to punish political enemies cannot be done. for that they come under intense political pressure. this is deeply troubling if this is the instinct of the president and his political advisers to disrupt and undercut his perceived political opponents in america's cities and towns >> you said they are being contained by other officials there. how does it color the view of what they tried to do, the fact that it didn't happen? >> i think that's the cold comfort we can take is that we are living through a civic stress test. the president's worst impulses, his most autocratic and vengeful impulses and those of his senior
aides on these issues are being contained by administration officials, some of whom are trump appointees, some are people who dedicated their lives to serving the people of the united states. but the system is straining. we have already seen a degree of retaliation or attempted retaliation against some of these people, particularly in the office of legal counsel. so that's what's troubling. the good news is the system is holding and the president's worst impulses are being contained but it is being strained every day by the occupant of the oval office >> people are clearly leaking about this posting email messages about this. none sent by steven miller but his name is associated with this. he's thought to be behind some of these notions. now, more powerful than ever on the issue of immigration >> he's been empowered by the president. he's trying to purge policy opponents inside the organization. again, the word purge. not one noticeably used in
american politics, but that's the degree of the divide, the impulse to say break the law on my behalf to punish my political enemies. these are sentences we say often in american history. it is happening now on our watch >> we'll talk more about it coming up. thank you very much. meanwhile vice president mike pence getting a look at the situation at the border. dana bash spoke with him about the plan for families at the border and more. watch this. >> reporter: cpb says family unit apprehensions have increased nearly 375%. the spike is incredible. can you explain how the administration that ran on making sure this didn't happen let things get to this point? >> well, first, i think the president and i appreciate the fact that people around the country and even many people in the media are now beginning to
recognize that we have a genuine crisis at the southern border. i heard about it again today here in nogales. the vast majority of people who came across the border were families and unaccompanied minors driven by drug cartels and human traffickers exploiting vulnerable families and exploiting loopholes in the laws. >> reporter: we have information that the president has been talking about reinstating the zero tolerance policy. can you vow standing here at the border that family separation will never be reinstated? >> the president made it clear we are not rethinking bringing back family separation. but it's absolutely essential to end a humanitarian crisis that really threatens the security of the american people and is creating hardship on both sides of the border. congress needs to act. >> reporter: the president tweeted, i think what the
democrats are doing with the border is trees thousaason thot. to use the word treason which is supposed to be punished by death, how do you get from that rhetoric to working across the aisle the way you are talking about that's needed to fix things here >> what you hear the president expressing is the frustration of the american people. last month alone, more than 100,000 people came across our southern border illegally. >> reporter: i have to ask you about the mayor of south bend, pete buttigieg. he said, i wish the mike pences of the world would understand that if you've got a problem with who i am your problem isn't with me, your quarrel, sir, is with my creator. what he's saying is he didn't choose to be gay, his creator did. what's your response to that? >> i have known mayor pete for years. we worked closely together when
i was governor. i considered him a friend. he knows i don't have a problem with him. i don't believe in discrimination against anybody. i treat everybody the way that i want to be treated. >> reporter: do you agree with him that god made him gay? >> well, look, the truth of the matter is we all have our own religious convictions. >> reporter: he argues your quarrel is with him as a gay man and he says i was born with way and this is the way god made me. that's not your belief? >> i think pete's quarrel is with the first amendment. >> reporter: how so? >> i'm a bible believing christian. >> reporter: julian assange. mike pompeo called wikileaks --
>> we strongly agree. we are going to bring julian assange to justice. look, we are working with chelsea manning, julian assange was involved in one of the greatest compromises of classified information in american history. it literally put american military personnel at risk and we'll hold him to account. >> reporter: what about what he did in 2016? when the president was a candidate he welcomed seeing wikileaks and the information that they got from hillary clinton. has that changed? >> i think the president, as you and the media do, always welcomes information. but that was in no way an endorsement. >> reporter: even -- >> we now understand involved in disseminating classified information by the united states of america. >> a lot more to discuss about dana's exclusive interview with the vice president at the border coming up. this morning wikileaks
founder julian assange is behind bars in britain facing extradition to the united states for allegedly conspiring to hack into government computers to steal u.s. military secrets. wikileaks played a key role also, as you heard right there, in the release of dnc and clinton campaign e-mails in 2016. back then president trump said, i love wikileaks. now he says he knows nothing about wikileaks. cnn's nick paton walsh is live in london with the latest. >> reporter: behind me in the ecuadorian embassy they are probably breathing a sigh of relief, maybe cleaning up after their unwelcome house guest. there are reports of feces on the walls, damage to the infrastructure. what's ahead now for julian assange, always a man not to be afraid of the spotlight. certainly he has to face a sentencing hearing here in london in probably the weeks ahead because of the bail he
skipped out on here when he hid inside the embassy in 2012. on may 2 he'll have an extradition hearing to face this indictment in the united states which specifies that he worked with chelsea manning to try to crack part of a password that would have enabled chelsea manning thomas questio masquera system to download that at the time and released it through wikileaks. president trump very clear and we often see this, on how he's very much more ignorant about wikileaks than he was a matter of years ago. here's what he said. >> wikileaks. i love wikileaks. >> this wikileaks stuff is unbelievable. it tells you the inner heart. you've got to read it >> it's been amazing what's coming out on wikileaks. >> this wikileaks is fascinating.
>> this wikileaks is like a treasure trove. >> i know nothing about wikileaks. it's not my thing. it's not my deal in life. >> reporter: it is the british court system that will decide whether julian assange goes to the united states. that process could take months. it may be whatever sentence he has to serve in the uk for violating bail is expended while he's waiting to learn his extradition fate. in the united states he could face further charges. there will be intense political debate to his substantial defense team already using the open court system here to make a clear case he's a journalist who is being persecuted. the indictment says he conspired to commit a criminal act. it will be up to uk judges to decide his fate. >> thank you very much for your reporting. let's bring in cnn legal analyst carrie cordero. great to see you. yesterday as john and i were
watching this arrest unfold on our air, i kept wondering why that day, why yesterday after seven years of him being holed up in that embassy. i think we have the answer which is there was this ticking statute of limitations. i was surprised to hear there is an eight-year statute of limitations for at least one of his charges. so it sounds like -- and congress -- is that why they had to move with alacrity? >> it was a factor. this case against him and the investigations involving him and the process of extradition, this would have been work that was done behind the scenes by law enforcement and prosecutors and diplomats from the u.s., the uk and ecuador which was housing him for some time. it was a confluence of events perhaps where you had the statute of limitations, the legal process had been under seal, the indictment was under
seal in the eastern district of virginia and we needed the other factor -- u.s. law enforcement needed the other factor which was the government of ecuador finally making the decision to release him to uk authorities >> it sounds like their patience ran out with him. certainly when we hear nick's reporting about the conditions he was living in. let me read to you the indictment. it's interesting what we found out he's accused of. on or about march 8, 2010 julian assange agreed to assist chelsea manning on cracking a password stored on united states department of defense computers connected to the secret internet protocol network, a united states government network used for classified documents and communications. that's different from just publishing classified documents. that's taking an active role in getting them >> the passage you put up is the crux of this particular indictment and charge against him.
julian assange is not being charged with publishing classified information. i will say it again. he's not being charged with publishing classified information. he's being charged with being an active participant in a conspiracy to commit computer fraud. he tried to help chelsea manning crack a password to get into department of defense procedures. they will argue that's not traditional journalist behavior >> thank you very much for all of the legal expertise. >> thanks. >> i prefer posters as wall hangings. putting that out there >> it is more traditional. >> more traditional to be sure. what a swirl of controversy surrounding michael avenatti. he's fighting back against new charges. the former lawyer for stormy daniels was indicted on 36 counts including embezzlement as
part of a scheme to steal from his clients. sarah sidner is live with the details. this is a big, big list of indictments. >> reporter: it is. 36 counts including wire fraud, tax fraud, bankruptcy fraud, bank fraud, embezzlement. the attorney for california coming out strongly condemning things he's accused michael avenatti of. one of the things in the case that was stunning to a lot of people as they listened to it were the five people that the prosecutors say michael defrauded. five of them were clients of his, they say, who were defrauded of millions of dollars, including a parapalegic client who won money and michael
avenatti drained that trust account of more than $3 million giving the client around $125,000 telling him the full settlement hadn't come in when he had already spent the money. here's more of what prosecutors had to say. >> within months after receiving the settlement proceeds in early 2015, mr. avenatti drained the entire $4 million payment from his trust account using significant portions of the funds to finance his coffee business, his auto racing enterprise and his own personal lifestyle. >> reporter: michael shot back saying he's not guilty of any charges against him and claims that moneys due to his clients are bogus. we should mention that with all of the charges and that's just in california. he faces up to 335 years in prison. that doesn't include the case
that the sdny has against him which involves nike where they have said he tried to extort nike. >> my gosh. sara sidner, thank you for explaining that to us. all right. he is not officially in the race yet. but pete buttigieg is surging in some new polls. we discuss those next. there are people out there who see things others can't. they're the ones who see a city that make those who live in it feel a little safer. who see the efficient shape and design of the ocean's wonders as the future of aerodynamics. at dell technologies, we see it too. if you'd like to transform your business, talk to us. and we'll show the world what impossible looks like... when it's made real. our mission is to provide complete, balanced nutrition for strength and energy! whoo-hoo! great-tasting ensure. with nine grams of protein
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in the democratic race for president. truly from nowhere in the polls south bend mayor pete buttigieg appears to be breaking out in two early voting states. look at the numbers from iowa and new hampshire. pete buttigieg launched himself into third place behind joe biden and bernie sanders, i a he and ahead of big names. joining us, howard dean, governor of vermont, laura lopez from politico and joe lockhart, former white house press secretary and host of the words matter podcast. congratulations on that. governor dean, i know it's early >> it's early. >> polls change. >> you know that. >> but pete buttigieg was the mayor of south bend, indiana at zero or minus in the polls and now he's ahead of people who have been in the senate, people who live next door to new
hampshire. there is clearly something happening with this south bend mayor >> our core base is women, people of color and young people. pete buttigieg is incredibly attracted to young people. i supported him for the democratic national chairmanship. that's our core base. he got his message out there, partly on cnn town meetings. people like him a lot. i'm shocked at people who say, what do you think of this guy? i have to stay neutral because i'm running the data project. they say, i sent him some money. you did? these are people my age. this is real. he's assured, barring some scandal, he'll be in the first cut >> what has mayor pete buttigieg done better than others? why has he leapfrogged? >> i agree it's early. you have seen several candidates get a little bit of a bump around the time of their announcement. it is always the anticipation.
kamala harris did certainly. then settled back down. >> is that what you think is happening here? >> i think it is a little bit more. i agree with governor dean. he touches constituenconstituen. he touches all of the elements. if you look at iowa and new hampshire, the votes he's taking from are from beto supporters and more than anyone, bernie sanders supporters which was surprising when i looked at numbers yesterday. people look at sanders as democrats want a socialist, but they are more in the middle. it's people rebelled against incremental politics, the politics hillary talked about. we've got to go slow, make change. what pete buttigieg is doing is tapping into this idea that we can think big, change the system. we don't have to do it
incrementally. we are doing it in a language that young people understand and they feel an affinity. the bottom line is i don't know who will win. he's now in the first tier or 1-b tier and will have to be taken seriously >> he's getting help maybe from mike pence, the vice president of the united states? >> from picking a fight with mike pence, i would say. >> it's interesting. pete buttigieg's entry into exploring the race did not circle around mike pence. it was not talking about his own sexuality much. it wasn't. it was i'm a midwest governor. i know how to win in a trump state. that was his focus. day by day, laura, he does talk more about the fact that he's married which is something mike pence opposed
in his state. i want to play what pete buttigieg just told ellen degeneres on a clip that will air today. >> i'm not interested in feuding with the vice president. if he wanted to clear this out
he could come out today and say he changed his mind, that it shouldn't be legal to discriminate
against anybody in this country for who they are. that's all >> yep. >> it's interesting. you heard in the interview with dana bash that the vice president would not say he believes that people are born gay. >> right. even though pete buttigieg hasn't made the debate with pence a central part of his campaign, it definitely helps him. any time a democratic candidate can be seen as at odds with the president or the vice president, it boosts them. that could be part of why he's surging in the polls. again, i think pete buttigieg is really getting attention because of how young he is, because of his policy ideas, as we mentioned earlier. it's so early that in a month we could see this drastically change. we could see warren or harris be
third. i think if anyone -- if we pretend to know what is going to happen nine months out, we'll be shocked when the first contest happens >> that's for sure. understood. today is a snapshot of where we are today. it's nothing more. however, given that, where is beto o'rourke after all the excitement and the splash of the "vanity fair" cover, why isn't he in those states in the top? >> he's doing pretty well. this is a hard, long process. there are two ways of doing this. one is to raise money and the other is to be on the ground setting up a great network. he won't have trouble with a network and he raised money. the problem is the expectations for beto were higher than for pete buttigieg. beto raised in texas. pete buttigieg, nobody heard of. he's got momentum and you guys are giving that momentum. i got that ride up and got the ride down once i was the front runner. >> it's a ride we give you.
>> joe was right and nobody is talking about it. this party isn't moving left. you guys are focused on alexandria ocasio-cortez and ra rashida talib. yes, there are -- the young people are progressive, but they are very based on facts. they are not raving people who want to change for ideological reasons. what trump is doing doesn't make sense and they know it. that makes a big difference pete buttigieg and beto o'rourke speaking to this >> there is a big group of votes to be had in the middle. >> certainly. >> julian castro was in a town hall after the news broke that the administration considered using humans as pawns, as nancy
pelosi says, and shipping them into sanctuary cities. >> the cruelty of this administration never seems to end. a year ago this administration told us that as americans if we would just be cruel enough to separate little children from their parents that would deter more families from coming to the southern border. in fact, the opposite happened. these folks want us to use cruelty as a weapon against political opponents and against these people >> laura, i would like your take on this. >> this report from "the washington post" is just stunning. it again illustrates that president trump wants to use immigration and wants to use the border as a political weapon as opposed to talking with democrats, trying to find some way forward on comprehensive immigration reform. the idea that they wanted to send undocumented grants that were detainees into sanctuary
cities, that's just pure politics. i think we are going to see him hammer this going into 2020. it's the latest after also hearing just weeks ago that he was floating the idea of trying to shut down the border completely. i was just in leesburg, virginia, where house democrats are having their retreat. this was before the news broke from "the washington post." they definitely know they want to come out soon with a very big message on immigration in response to trump and in response to the things we are seeing come out of the administration >> all right. bring that to us when you have it. laura, governor, joe, thank you very much. the college admissions scandal is not a shock to many educators, including one principal who went viral with this video calling out parents for bad behavior. >> i know i'm not supposed to do that but i really want my child to go to that good school or that basketball team is better and my child needs to be on a good team.
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and was told his son is a primary subject. the father decided to help investigators lead his son to a location where he could be safely arrested. the suspect faces three charges of arson. absent of that is any indication of a hate crime. the leading of the naacp calls it domestic terrorism. they believe additional charges are warranted. the top agent in louisiana said they are in the early stages of the investigation. the subject was arrested 12 hours after he came on the radar of authorities. although we are in the early stages they are not ruling out anything. they continue to work in the command center to identify what happened and dig into this person's past. >> nice to have you down there as this story unfolds. a central figure in the college admissions scandal in court today as the daughter of lori loughlin speaks out to
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new this morning a key player in the huge college admissions scandal will appear in court today. cnn learned more about why actress lori loughlin and her husband have yet to enter a plea deal for their alleged role. brynn gingras joins us now. >> a defense attorney said they shouldn't take a deal. loughlin and her husband are hoping to let it play out in the justice system and aren't ready to cut a deal. a source close to the couple tells cnn. this after federal attorneys slapped a charge against them this week in the giant college
admissions case. their daughter olivia jade is said to be devastated. the social media influencer lost partnerships with major companies like sephora after her parents were charged with bribing officials to get her and her sister into usc. she said she's embarrassed and barely speaking to her parents now. we'll learn more later today. mark ridell is the test whiz who would oversee students helping them circle in the right answer or he would correct their answers after they were finished or in at least one case he took the test for the student using a fake id. the harvard graduate was so good he was able to get a score high enough to improve students' scores but not high enough to raise red flags. he served as a key witness in the government investigation. he played a major role in taking down many parents connected to
the scam. we hope to learn more in court today. >> okay. please bring it to us. we have been fascinated by the developments. thank you. the college admissions scandal may seem shocking to us. apparently it's not surprising to many educators. one elementary school principal is sharing his take in a viral video seen by more than 6 million people on facebook. here is a piece >> everybody's so surprised. do you know who's not surprised? every educator in the world. this happens every day at schools. do you know what this is? a parent not agreeing with a policy or a rule, sometimes a law so they do whatever they want because they think it is best for their child. yeah, i signed my child's reading log but he didn't read but we had a soccer game until 10:00. i disagree with the policy they should have to read an hour a day anyway. do you know who else disagrees with policies? aunt becky.
>> gary brooks joins us now. he runs liberty elementary school in kentucky. thank you for being here. >> thank you for having me. >> it's a very funny viral video. you say you see it every day. bad behavior of one sort or another from parents. like what? give us examples of the things you see. >> absolutely. we have parents that love their children very much and want what's best for them. sometimes that means breaking the rule. we have parents that sneak in fast food for lunch when they know that's a school rule. we have parents that bring their friends to the family table when they come to eat with their own child. they know they are not allowed to bring extra people over. we have parents who send kids in scary costumes because their child loves the costume and we are not allowed scary costumes but they do it. so we have parents who truly
love their children and they think they are doing what's right. sometimes they feel like that's breaking a rule, a policy. in this case, breaking a law >> you give other examples that are fascinating. sign the planner showing that the child read when the child didn't read that allotted amount of time. lying about why the child is late to school. driving around the cones while waiting for the school bus so you can get out quicker than everybody else. letting their kids bring peanut butter to school endangering other kids >> right. >> that's a dangerous one. letting them sneak sodas, skip doing homework. what's causing all of bad behavior? >> it's a misunderstanding of what's best for your child. that was one of the reasons i did the video. these parents love their children and think they know
what's best. rather than following rules and setting the example they need to set, they choose to do what they think is best which is break a rule. the bottom line is it comes back to them loving their child and thinking that what's best for their child is what their child wants or what they want rather than saying we are not allowed to bring peanut butter. i know that's the only thing you want to eat, but you have a child with allergies in your classroom. we can't do it. it's a rule. rather than throwing a fit about it or sneaking it in. they love their child and think i want to give in to them or that's the only thing they'll eat. we are giving in to children because we think we love them and know what's best >> what do you say to those parents and what is the solution to stopping the behavior? >> we have rules for a reason. a lot of times they think the rule is silly or they don't understand it. when we say to a parent you are
not allowed to walk your child to class and this is why. they want to talk to the teacher, make the child feel safe. when we explain the rule, my experience, 99.5% of the parents will say, oh, i didn't think it was that big of a deal. parents don't think it's a big deal. i tell them if you have a problem with a rule, come to the school, discuss what's going on, try to understand why it is and maybe you could change a rule. maybe you could say, i have to get to work early. is there any way i could do this? the schools will work with you. don't just break a rule. you are saying to your child, i know this is a rule, but it doesn't apply to us. that might benefit you in the short-term, but in the long-term it will be a difficult time for your child >> principal brooks, thank you very much for the lesson in rule following to all of us. great to talk to you >> thank you very much for having me. i appreciate it. >> what a great principal. i want him. a woman goes missing. decades later her son makes a
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that's the same score he had when he won his first three green jackets >> the whole idea is to try to peak three or four times a year. my body's good. the game is good, sharp. just have to execute and do the proper things. if i miss, miss in a proper spot. i have shot this number and won four coats. hopefully i can do it again. >> your coleaders are koepka and dechambeau with a funky swing. the 25-year-old with a physics degree known as the mad scientist because of the way he analyzes everything. his clubs are all the same length. phil mickelson is at five under. 48 years old, trying to be the oldest ever to win a major. this leaderboard, very important. the last 13 masters winners have been in the top ten after round
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