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[ applause ] good evening. good evening, goeng. i'm van jones. welcome to the van jones show. we are coming to you tonight from los angeles, california. and we've got two pretty important california residents in the studio with us tonight. one happens to be the governor of the state, my friend, gavin newsom is here tonight. [ cheers and applause ] >> oh, my gosh. we got the governor. governor. we also got one of the biggest
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celebrities in the state, in the country, on planet earth, you may have heard of her. kim kardashian west is also in the house tonight. [ cheers and applause ] >> on the van jones show. so much to talk with them about. but first let's talk. this week the redacted mueller report was finally released. but instead of closure, guys, the report opened up another round of outrage and exasperation and division in the country. far from exonerating trump. mueller practically invited congress to step in and do something. now some republicans want retaliatory investigations to go after the other side. so we are off to the races again. >> i believe impeachable offenses have been committed. >> no new indictments in sealed documents in it's a complete and total exon ration. >> this report does not vindicate the president. it turns your stomach. >> sarah sanders smearing jim
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comey from the podium. >> i'm sorry i wasn't a robot that the exactly party that went out tor two and a half years and stated time and time against that there was definitely russian collusion between the president and his campaign. >> i think attorney general barr should resign. he can join the president's legal time if he wants. but that's what he is doing right now. >> you know, if attorney general bill barr had wrapped up the process in a neutral, professional way, then maybe just maybe we could have come together as a country our democ. slim chance, i know. could have happened. but by acting more like geral states barr has made any kind of nationalow who has to be thrill, thrilled, vladimir putin. he wanted to see america divided. weakened and tearing itself apart. and that's exactly what he is getting, still more partisanship, more confusion, more division and it looks like we're going to be stuck in the situation for a very long time.
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and that kind of stag nags sadly is becoming the new normal in america. we are paralyzed on major issues. for instance, today marks the 20th anniversary of the columbine massacre. 20 years since two gunman shot and killed 12 students and a teach ner a school. that was supposed to be the tipping point that united a shocked nation to do something about guns and school safety. now, here we are 20 years later. what's changed? not enough. sadly the biggest difference we have now is more victims and sometimes less outrage because we're almost used to these kind of attacks now. same thing with immigration. we have needed meaningful reform for decades. and nothing. nothing. so we have in ugly partisan battle now about how to treat thousands of people coming to our country for a better life and trump is snatching babies from their mothers at the border. same thing with climate. how long have we been talking about climate disruption? and how many unprecedented
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floods and fires and hurricanes have we lived through? even recently? and what's been done? almost nothing. in fact at the federal level we are going backwards. and some people are so frustrated ner protesting in the streets and getting arrested. so as a nation we are stuck and "i" frustrated. but there is home. because of the progress happening at the state level, especially right here in california. let's talk about all of this with the leader of this great state, please welcome to the van jones show, governor gavin newsom [ cheers and applause ] >> hello. >> we got the governor. oh, man. >> there is hope. >> there is hope. >> there is hope. >> hey, listen, we are getting into it process.
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before we get into that. this whole mueller thing how do you think about this. >> forget rudy giuliani, who needs someone better than the ag as a defense attorney? that was a remarkable display of preemptive strategy that has become normalized. and the challenges we can't let it be normalized. i think that's where we have to express the outrage. you framed that top of the show is a perfect frame even on clum bine. what we have accepted as normalized. and we can't do that. we are capable of doing so much more and so much better. but only if we have the courage to express that and not allow the normalization of in. >> and that's -- injury that becomes a big challenge for democrats. what should be done? some people say congress should take mueller's hints and go forward with impeachment. do you think that the impeachment is the right way to go should we wait for 18 months. >> you got an election coming up next year at this stage. we have more than enough to go on the obstruction charges. those seem fairly over welcome. you read some of those -- one of
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those charges, would be sort of -- just draw dropping, the fact that there is a dozen plus. congress has plenty to do. but there are also a lot of work to be done on behalf of the american people that has not part of this report. >> you think democrats would be better off focusing that and avoiding the impeachment. >> people need to be held to account. in report is an indictment of the current administration. and many members of the administration. we need to pursue that. we would not be doing our job or advancing justice without doing it. but you have to do that and focus on the issues of affordable and housing and homelessness, the education, and deep issues related to climate change and the like. >> i believe you when you say it because you do it every day. you have the biggest -- the fifth biggest economy in the world right here in california, 40 million people, dozens of languages spoken. do you feel like the governor? or are you running your own country out here it's so big. >> i do feel like it's a nation state. that's one of the reasons i
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visited el salvador last week because we had the current president elect of el savored who campaigned in california. he said why would a president aspiring to be president in foreign country kban in california? because half the population of the el salvador is in this state. 27% of the state is foreign bon. we're a state of refuge, asiem asylum. it's a remarkable experiment of people at scale living cross every skfable difference. it's a special place .at our best not just as californians but as americans we're at our best when we don't tolerate diversity but celebrate it. but in california we do that as well or better than most. makes me proud. >> you should be proud. let me ask you, the president sees it differently. in fact, you guys have been going back and forth at each other. >> yeah. >> on the question of immigration. i mean, the president said he is going to let all the people who
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you want in the country to come into sanctuary cities in california. would you welcome that? do you love immigrants that much. >> i'm trying to figure out. he campaigns saying he was going to detain people to for the them then a week ago says no we're detain people and send them into the united states in sanctuary cities. the ag says no, we detain people for longer periods of time. which is it? they're flailing. this is a punch drunk boxer he is throwing bunches and jabs. everything he has done on immigration is abject failure. meanwhile states like california are trying to pick up the pieces including pick up and lift up people dumped on the streets and sidewalks already in sanctuary cities like san diego and throughout this state. hundreds of legal asylum seekers, their children are dumped out of bus stops with no place to go ening up homeless in emergency rooms. i'm proud of my state. we poepd an asylum center to
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allow people at least the dignity of some stability and some encouragement that this is not who we are as americans. and we have principles and values that stand out. >> that's beautiful. [ applause ] >> listen, i mean a lot of people love what you say. but we have now -- you're seeing some cracks even on the democratic side. cher says the city los angeles isn't taking care of its own wau what about the 50,000 residents on the streets and below the poverty line how can we take on more than the veterans. >> that's not a right right-wing person that's a liberal progressive cher. >> who i know and respect and like let me be respectful and responsible to that critique. >> california has the nation's largest homeless population. i understand where that's coming from high pressure it's out of control and unacceptable. we are working aggressively to
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address that. let me make this point. i come from san francisco. and i come from a city whose past is not as proud as the present. i come from a city that advanced the chinese exclusion act. i remember the same language in the late 1800s where a guy named dennis concernny who would make donald trump blush. the original donald trump that began and every else. he said the chinese have to go. they are taking your jobs and diminishing your cats to live lives this is old rhetoric. the fact is we have a population getting older. we need a population reinvig rated i'll tell you immigrants reinvig rate our society. these are some of the hardest workers in the country. and interestingly some of the people criticizing are net beneficiaries of the same immigrants. >> listen, i appreciate your passion. you've always been passionate about this stuff. are you the anti-trump -- how do you think of your role as a
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governor in trump's america. >> i don't wake up every morning to find a crowbar to put in the wheels of the president of the united states to trip him up but i have the backs of the the diverse communities. the attacks did he humanizing people if he attacks clean air and clear clean water i'm standing you are for it if he wants to dismantle the affordable care act. i'm standing up against that. i do govern the most untrump state in america. no doubt about that. but i also see my role as not just the center of the resistance, but a positive alternative to trump and trumpism. and i think in many ways we are. we are running a 20 plus billion-dollar operating surplus process, paying off our debt. paying down pension obligations leading the nation. you talk about the green economy, california is leading the world not just the nation and low carbon green growth and changing the way we produce and consume energy.
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we have progressive values at play at scale and producing real economic results. >> let's talk about that. one of the first thing we did together back in 2005 did you the un world environment day green cities all that stuff 15 years ago. it's not new to you. some of the stuff that california says it's going to do half renewable energy in 12 years. >> easy. >> easy. >> easy look i'm telling you right now, you're going to have people saying now, this makes no sense. how is it easy? >> if you can argue that or prove it? and we're proving it. we're at 34% today renewable if you consider non-carbon sources moird and nuclear we're at a 55% we're not asserting a paradigm we proving it at south carolina as we have advanced our low carbon goals we grou our economy at the faster clip than the united states of america itself i know we can do this. the green new deal come to california. you'll see it advanced at scale.
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it's a point of pride and principle [ applause ] >> i've always liked you. good stuff. you know when you talk i start to hear little song in the back of my head, hail to the chief kind of a song. i can just does anybody hear this? anybody else hear this just me. >> not a chance. >> talk to me about whether or not you got a white house run in your future. >> no, literally i'm so proud of the folks coming from california we got nancy pelosi as speaker of the house. that's about as good as it gets right now. so i sleep well at night. adam schif from an oversight prevc. kamala harris who ascended. >> you got 30,000 people running for democrat. you don't endorse kamala hair zblies who. >> why did you endorse kamala hair zblies i've known her for
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25 years. i worked with her when she was d.a. i was mayor. i was lieutenant governor. she became u.s. senator and i'm gor. i've seen heir first hand. mature and grow. i know her character and conviction. i know her capacity. she is the real deal. look out. the reason she is where she is as quickly is because she deserves to be there. >> do you think we got too many candidates? we got so many people running doesn't that advantage maybe a bernie sanders who has a baked in thing. >> there was five or six years ago what is the exactic part has no leadership who are no berj. we're proving that wrong. remember i come from california. this is a state where the republican party was the dominant party in the 90s. they're third party status today. one reason, the xenophobia, the nativism. >> killed them. >> politics of fear, anger and grievance. same politics spewed by the president of the united states. republican party, pay attention he is walking you off a cliff. >> listen, we got more to come up and talk about with governor
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newsom including the major move to stop the death penalty. why did he do it? how does he respond to the backlash from president trump and a bunch of other people? that's next when we come back.
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you can't make a 400 horsepower sedan, that's also environmentally conscious. we don't follow conventional wisdom. ♪ ♪ [ applause ] all right welcome back to the van jones show. i'm here with california governor gavin newsom. you know, it's so unreal and surreal to be here with you. you are the governor of the state. i got a national television show. that's not where we started out. tell the story how we got to know each other. >> this guy protested my first meeting as mayor. the department head meeting the door opens van shows up chanting and screaming and talking about police abuse and police reform and what was -- i said man i just got here. and then two months later. >> yeah. >> we're hanging out at some
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interesting conference and then we hit it off not just on that issue but as you were saying in the previous segment on the environment. you started stepping up in the environmental justice community. you asserted yourself. >> yeah. >> it's crazy. >> look at you. >> protesting me. >> well, you know, we had something to say, man. but, you know the reason we actually began to just fall in love with you is when you started issuing the marriage certificates against everybody's better judgment and everybody's critique ever you you started getting out marriage certificates that changed history. governor newsom recently made another bold move, issued a moratorium on the death penalty in california. the issue of ending capital punishment is debated in both parties. i put together this explainer to break it down. take a look. >> more than 2,700 lives hang in the balance on death row in federal and state prisons. repealing the death penalty is a hot button issue for democrats
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on the campaign trail. >> i'm doing everything in my power to abolish the death penalty. >> we would be a fairer and safer country when we join the ranks of those who abolish the death penalty. >> many of the most high profile democrat supported capital punishment. >> i've been a consistent support everier of capital punishment for 15 years. >> i think the death penalty should be applied in very narrow circumstances. >> but public support for the death penalty has dropped since the peak in 90s. and politicians in both parties rethinking their positions. opponents of the death penalty argue that the u.s. criminal justice system is too flawed to enforce it fairly. they point out more than 10 li 160 people since 19. 73 have been exonerated and released from death row because they were wrongly convicted. they are also sentencing disparities. washington state supreme court deemed the death penalty unconstitutional last year finding it had been imposed in an arbitrarily and racially biased manner.
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it's also a big burden on taxpayers. capital punishment cases cost more money to prosecute. nearly all western democracies have outlawed the death penalty. meanwhile we're? league on this issue with countries like iran, somaliy and north korea. but a movement toward repeal is finding traction at the state level. 20 states plus the district of columny have outlawed the death penalty. a number of other states have temporary bans because of court rulings or action from lawmakers. but not everybody is onboard and in fact president trump has suggested he wants to expand the death penalty. >> if we don't get tough on the drug dealers we're wasting our time. and that toughness including the death penalty. [ applause ] >> so, you know, why did you do this? why did you decide as a governor that you were going to on your own dismantle the -- the death
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row chaim berp in the state? why take a position like that. >> we had the largest death row in the western hemisphere is this? california. >> in california. 737 human beings on death roe. many of them we nope are wrongfully convicted. we don't know which ones. someone last year in california served close to 26 years, was wrong flee convicted and exonerated. by some estimates conservativively one out of every 25 on death row meaning over 30 people on the death roe in california are wrongfully collected the question for me is not and strakt for me i have to sign off on the prehead tatd execution much an individual. at the same time i'm telling my daughter it's wrong to kill. i can't in good conscious do that with the predicate you laid out in that piece. our criminal justice system it's been said by others moore eloquently than i say it. but the bottom line i believe
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this it the core of my soul we have a criminal justice system that does treat people rich and guilty better than we treat people poor and innocent. it's not only racially biased. it's economically biased wealth biased until we address the fundamental flaws in the system of justice i can't advance that with the ultimate. >> if you guys were sitting next to the governor, your u are passionate, man. there is energy coming off you i try to have empathy for people on all sides. you got people now, family members of murder victims who feel like you just ripped the scab off for them. >> that's right. >> and you have reopened wounds and you have hurt them. they had some closure as much as they could get and you completely threw that the garbage can. >> yes. >> what do you say to the family members suffering more now when they look at you. >> i said it directly before i did this i met with the victims. met with polly klos's father and trust me i'll never forget the
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words he told me privately he said my job was to eradicate evil. i met with victims who felt dirptly a mother lost a teenage the daughter if you execute the person that did it you won't be doing this for the family you'll be doing it to my family. she said to me i'll never forget. you do not have the right to take the life of that the individual. using my daughter's name. and so this splits both ways. it's intensely emotional. and i'm with you. you have to be empathetic. it's a moral position for me. i can't sleep at night executing another human being. i can't. look, we're one of the few nations left in the world. that still executes its citizens. saudi arabia, iraq, north korea. what kind of country are we? we're better than that. pirng it's time to end the death penalty in this country. well be better off and safer as a consequence of doing it. >> aren't you in some ways by going against tradition -- you
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went against tradition on marriage equality. against tradition in the laws and all the established norms and death penalty. aren't you little bit like donald trump? aren't you mad at donald trump for flouting traditions and going against the norms and the institutions? aren't you a little trumpian in this. >> i don't mind people that are disruptive, people that are willing to sort of scratch the record player that are circular and not linear in thinking. i do care about the rule of law. i had the right of a preprevious pipd. i had the right as mayor to clalg the laws. when the supreme court of california said stop the marriage certificates we stopped. we did not obstruct justice. we did not get in the way of that due process. i think that fundamentally is where that example does not align with our example. but that said, look, i think people want some audacity, they want conclusion. they desperately want authenticity. they want folks, however that
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are empathetic to others that have a capacity of understanding to see the world from a different set of eyes. a with all due respect there there is no moral authority from the white house in united states of marc. there is only one thing formal authority but the good news, the more you exercise formal authority the less you have. the more you exercise moral authority the more abundant it becomes. all of us have the capacity to exercise our moral authority. you don't need to be something to do something to change the world. we need leaders they can be found anywhere. >> hey, listen, i'll tell you what, i conbe prouder to know you. i couldn't be prouder to have watch your climb. one of the things i know about you for sure is you aren't doing this for any other reason than your beliefs. i watched you test it. watched you tested at the local level all the way up. and i appreciate your willing toness to take a stand for what you believe process np coming up kim kardashian west in the
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jones show. you probably know my next guest as a reality star. fashion beauty mogul. massive culture influencerer. but i know her as a criminal justice warrior to uses her celebrity to help change policy and lives. so excited to talk with her about all that and more. well back to the van jones show my friend kim kardashian west. [ applause ] >> oh, the big news about you. kim kardashian west wants to become a lawyer. >> yes. >> that's a good thing. >> right. >> that's a good thing. [ applause ] >> well, you know, a lot of it is thanks to you, because you introduced me to the attorneys, jessica and erin that i have been working with. >> yes.
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>> weekly seeing 18 hours a we can, studying with, pretty much crying with, you know, it's -- it's a lot of hard work. >> why are you doing this? people are just so surprised to hear it. talk about the reason. >> you know, when i did go to the white house and when i learned so much about the system and what is going on deep into the system, i was honestly so surprised. i really had no idea how broken the system is. and i just figured if i know more about the system i can do more for the system. and that's just the type of person that i am. it really interests me. it's completely taken over moore life. >> what toes the family think about this? is kanye mad? i mean, is this like taking you away. >> he might be mad because on my weekends i just need to study during the week at nights there is a lot of time i'm just like,
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babe, you have to take the kids. honestly he has really stepped it up. i'm so grateful for him for doing that. because we made in decision together as a family, where i said, you know, i have my full-time filming job. i have my beauty business. i work full-time. and i'm going to take on another 18 hours a week that's required. and i think honestly when i saw the response from people some people didn't just really under how it works. and i think people assumed that i'm just preparing for the bar and not actually studying or going to school. >> people don't understand you're not going to a regular law school. you're actually apresent it'sing the old gool are school way of coulding studying working with a real lawyer on a regular basis to be ready to take the bar exam. >> you have all the same textbooks that you would in law school. all the same assignments except more tests, a test a month. and it -- you know, you don't have a teacher there explaining to you.
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i have to watch lectures online. you have to figure it out yourself with them guiding you and really step up and do the work. >> what's your response to people saying you just take a shortcut you could go law school like everybody else why not do it this way. >> it's not a shortcut anybody that thinks this is a rm to of privilege or because i have money they assume this is the easy way out. this was a system provided for the complete opposite, to be accessible to people that don't have the means. >> you do -- you have very interesting reactions. you have some people who say, go get them. it's great. to see a young woman stepping forward and doing this. other people go, i don't really see how you could be a lawyer. >> well i didn't see -- i either saw like superpositive or even ten times worse nan anh. i've always been supersupportive of women and people around me that wanted to succeed. and i don't really have the energy for the ehh.
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i think you can do whatever you want to do. if you put your mind to it, it is so hard it's not an easy thing to do. >> especially -- listen to me. >> just start supporting people. if someone wants to do something positive. what does it bother you. >> how about that. >> be supportive. >> support good people. support good people. i'm for that. [ applause ] >> you know, one of the things i was curious about is your sister's reactions. is there going to be a kardashian competition? are they become to be like engineers one going to be a rocket scientist? is this a kardashian thing. >> i wish. they're really smart. they could. it's been a lot of group family chats of oh this happened, kim what do you think, what should we do? my cousin slipped and i'm look okay, wait a minute. so the landlord has a duty to make sure that the floors are clean after the rain. and you can sue. you know, and so a lot of it is
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family advice. it's really funny. >> you come by this honestly. people forget your father was a lawyer not just a lawyer one of the best lawyers in the country. talk about the impact of growing up with your dad as an attorney on your thoughts about a legal career. >> yeah, i've always been -- it's really interesting also that i chose to be -- start this apprenticeship with social justice attorneys. i could have gone in the entertainment field. you could do it in any field you want to. so i chose this because i saw my dad's passion to do the right thing. and to just -- he would always want to help people i was so intrigued and into it. i wish my dad was here to see it. he would be totally routing me on. and it's in my. i love to do. no matter what it is in life -- i also love to do makeup. and fragrance. it's like, i don't want to be put in a box of you only have to do this because this is what people think of you. i saw a comment where someone
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said you need to stay in your lane. you can have ambitions but don't be too ambitious. to me that was that kind of like shut up and dribble comment so where it -- i read it to my husband in bed. i was, like, this will even push me harder. >> yeah. >> so -- >> you know. [ applause ] >> yes. there is this thing happening though in this town where people getting caught with hands in the caulkky jar using privilege to get into skooms. putting money on the table, doing all kind of dirt. somebody in your position, how do you think about that? you have so much access? how do you use it to help your kids conversation about that non-sense going on people buying their way -- >> yeah you know, i think as a parent you have to let your kids -- like, for me, i would never -- if they couldn't get
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into a school i would never want to use privilege to try to force them into a situation this they wouldn't thrive in anyway. so that's where i just see that that is not appropriate. it's just -- when you have so much accessible, so many things that are just presented to you, i just -- i want my kids to be kind. i want them to be as grounded as possible. and to why your way into something, just wouldn't benefit anybody. >> yeah. yeah. >> and i think you know, working hard, and to me even having my kids see me studying, you know, leaving and going into an office, you know, a few days a we can, studying all the time, coming home i have my backpack. they have theirs they're studying i'm studying. i have this filming career and makeup samples tested all over my arm while trying to read my flash cards. and all of this stuff. i hope that they get inspired to
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know that they can put in the hard work and even though i'm in my late 30s and just finishing college or attempting to do that now, it's never too late. and there is no easy way out. i've always worked hard. and i hope that my kids see that work ethic and want to do the same thing. >> i bet they will. [ applause ] >> really god. we really good. >> i love that. kim broke the internet again last year when she went to the would you say met with president trump. i got a question. does she still talk to trump? what advice does she have for 2020 candidates? so many things when we get back. [ applause ] 3 cooper! did you eat all of your treats? ♪ help! i need somebody ♪ help! not just anybody ♪ help! you know i need someone
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. all right. welcome back to the van jones show. i'm here with kim kardashian west. you know, we have gotten a chance to work together this past year plus now on criminal justice reform. we were in the trump white house together, in the oval office together talking to him. you know, talk to us a little bit about what you have learned over this past year. >> everything. everything about criminal justice. i knew nothing. and i saw something on social media that's, you know, changed my heart, changed my life with miss alice johnson. everyone has a voice.
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and i learned so much about just what even i had no idea what clemency was. i had no idea what the difference between state and federal prison. i knew nothing. i literally learned so much about the system and what's going on in the past year. >> it's crazy. you tried to help matthew charles, the first person to come home from the first step act which we worked so hard to pass. this guy combs home from prison. he has been praised by the president of the united states. he can't get a house. he can't rent an apartment. talk about the challenges of people coming home from prison and why did you step up to try to help matthew charles. >> i learned so much about in especially from scott budnick who run as foundation out here that specializes -- that's his passion of getting people home and providing jobs, housing. and so i remember i brought matthew charles though the president. we talked about him. matthew was the first person to get out on the first step act.
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and to hear he had all of this support and could not get a place to stay. >> because he was a convicted quote unquote felon. and so nobody wants to ren rent to you. >> i stepped up and said okay let's -- let me -- let's figure out how to get a place. he wasn't sure jobwise where he was going to be so he wanted to rent. that was a hard process. i wasn't going to tweet about it because he couldn't guess housing i said, you know, i'm tweet bag this pap. and i guarantee people that don't know that live in this city will be made aware and the city rallied so heavy behind him. and that is the power of social media. that is the beauty of it. and that's the good parts of it. and it made me so proud that so many people stepped up. >> yeah, it's amazing that you're willing to do that. and you get criticized for trying. >> yeah. >> and when you went to the trump white house a couple times even though you came out with people who have been freed.
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you got criticized. >> what about the legitimate part of the criminal that says trump is snatching babies from moms at the border. how do you come to peace with working with an administration that has some really negative human rights check marks on the balance sheet? >> well, people do write me i think every time there is an issue going on in the white house, which is pretty often. i think that people- i see on twitter people writing me all the time kim do something, do this, do that. and i have been very honest with the administration. i've been very honest with everyone from jared and ivanka, to everyone in the white house. about how i feel about immigration in particular. and we've had the conversations. i mean, the reality is i can't do everything. i'm not in that position. and if i can change people's lives in a different area i have to focus on that. and i have definitely voiced my
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opinion on other things. and requested things in other areas. but -- >> haven't been able to be as effective there. >> yes. >> do you still talk to trump? >> i do have a relationship with the white house. and we're still working on a lot of hopefully more clemencys and more we're working on. and i'm definitely not one that's afraid. i know i got so many times people would say to me don't go to the white house, your career will be over. don't go there. and i just kind of weighed the decision where it was like a life -- to save a life or to get maybe bad tweets about me or a bad news story for a few days, i guarantee you people sitting behind bars do not care who the president is. they just want the relief. if i could have done that, i don't care [ applause ] >> speaking of the white house with, we got an election coming up. and i'm just curious, is there
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anybody in the democratic -- you know, we got 4,000 people running. so, you know. >> there is way too many people. it's way too early. i'm focusing -- i have a new baby coming in three weeks. >> hey. >> stuff going on. i'm going to wait until it's further along before i make a decision. >> speaking of babies, four babies. you're going to have four mall people. >> i know. >> and these -- >> gour four babies under five. >> why. >> yeah, why. >> my babies are so cute and so sweet. i honestly it's my favorite thing to do in the world is just -- except for last night. kanye is out of town and my son was in bed with me. and i -- pretty big bed and i was pretty much on the floor in the middle of the night. they move all around. but, no, i love being a mom. i have such a big family myself. and i couldn't imagine life without my siblings. and so i really want my kids to
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have that support system, because i found in my life it's been how iy wanted that for my kids. i think i'm done aftgood. you have such creative names. any names coming up? >> i was just telling my best friend jonathan a few of our name choices. i'll tell you in the back. yeah, it's such pressure. there is a few names. two names that i like. >> you're just teasing us. this is terrible. >> yeah. >> just tell us one of the two. >> no. >> okay. okay. well, i just wanted to thank you so much for your heart and who you are. give kim kardashian west a big round of applause. amazing. really amazing. i have this documentary series that we're going to talk about when we get back. coming up, imagine that the person closest to you was to be murdered. and now imagine coming to
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hello on this saturday evening. you're live in the cnn newsroom. i'm ana cabrera in new york. thank you so much for spending your holiday weekend with us. president trump not unplugging today, he's keeping his foot on the gas after the mueller report was released, sending a barrage of tweets even about the sun came up today, lashing out again at enemies he sees in congress, democrats he calls trump-haters, and even changing his tune again about the man who wrote the report, robert mueller. the president used to call mueller conflicted and worse names. he changed that to honor


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