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the offseason. >> you like to be the owner of a basketball team? >> i love it. >> i'd like to be an owner of a basketball team. people can go there and find out what's going on. >> thank you. erin burnett "out front" starts next, "out front" next, biden repeatedly bringing up the front runner unprovoked. why? new republicans are raising the picks for the federal reserve. more comments from steve moore. what's going on here? a cnn exclusive. bowing admitting a safety alert didn't work on all the 737 max planes. planes involved in two deadly crashes. let's go "out front." and good evening, i'm erin burnett. "out front" tonight biden on their minds. the white house taking notice of the man head and shoulders above his 2020 opponents now, joe biden. the former vice president about
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to speak to a crowd of supporters in the crucial state of iowa these are live pictures of the event. biden today intensifies his attacks against trump. >> limit it to four years, this administration will go down in history as an aber ent moment in time. but give eight years to this administration in the white house, we will forever and fundamentally clang the character of the country. >> biden's attacks, frank little, taking the white house off its game today. the president tweeted about biden four times yesterday. today when his top aide kellyanne conway was asked about enfracture, the topic of the day for the white house, she included this in her answer. the question is how does president trump plan to pay for his infrastructure plan? kellyanne. >> middle class is booming now despite what joe biden says. he also sounds like season who wasn't vice president for eight years. him aside and his nonsense aside, while i'm on the subject
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over biden, he's hovering everything now. i'm curious is he against infrastructure? he's been in government nearly 50 years. why are the roads and bridges crumbling? >> did you hear the word infrastructure was actually in there? i'm glad it got in there. look against the question there to kellyanne was about how trump would pay for the infrastructure plan. it was not about joe biden. you sort of get the sense that joe biden is on her mind. >> reporter: you brought up joe biden unprompted. >> how is it unprompted? he's a front runner. >> it was unprompted because no one asked you. conway is front, biden is the front runner. as of now, 39% of democrats say biden is their new choice which puts him 20 points ahead of bernie sanders, the closest competitor. a poll mirrors cnn's results, we are live in iowa arlette, what are you expecting from joe biden
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tonight? >> reporter: well, erin, joe biden will be taking the stage here in did you buick in -- debuque as a 2020 presidential candidate. earlier today he was clearly trying to keep the focus on president trump. going after trump for his tax cuts, saying he is a president that abuses power. biden has really refrained from engaging with his democratic opponents like bernie sanders, who over the past 24 hours has been trying to stake-out these clear differences between himself and the former vice president when it comes to policy, calling out, citing differences in their vote on nafta and the iraq war. today biden was directly asked about that criticism from bernie sanders as he had stopped at an ice cream shop in iowa. a reporter asked him about that biden simply said he is proud of his record and that he'll be ready to engage with his democratic opponents in those
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primary debates. that first debate being less than two months away. but this is joe biden's third run for president. he has been here to iowa countsless times before. he's never come to the state as a front runner, leylanding that democratic path today, biden is in an interview with radio iowa here in the state and says that he doesn't 2350e8 any pressure as the -- he doesn't feel any pressure as the front runner. he will work like the devil to win. he told a crowd in cedar rapids, no one is going to work hardner iowa than joe biden. >> thank you very much. i want to go to the chairman of the iowa democratic party, who worked for obama's complain and hillary clinton's complain. you heard arlette going through what biden told iowa, i don't feel praerks i'm going to work like the devil. obviously, two polls show him to be the front runner by far. but you know, the national polls as we know don't matter.
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what matters is the states. is that the case in iowa? >> reporter: well, i think there is no doubt that vice president biden starts with an advantage. you know, he has worked or ran twice now in the state in 1987 and 2007. he's got a strong network in the state. he's going to be able to tap into that as he hits the ground here now. it's still very early. there is a lot of people out there. a lot of people who i talked to who are undecide who'd they will support on caucus day. i think there is a lot of time left and there is a lot of time. >> epic, how long this is going on? all we do is campaign, no one governs. that's an editorial note by me. okay. clinton won the iowa caucuss when you talk about who won by .3 of a percentage point over bernie sanders. he came in at 49.6. obviously, people know. they liked him. biden as you point out, he's been to iowa before. the last time we competed there in 2008, he got .9 of a
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percentage point. finishing fifth. >> that is nothing to be proud of. the sanders and others have a leg up. i mean if you are as well known as joe biden, do you have something to be concerned about? >> well, i think that, i mean, listen, there is no doubt senator sanders also has a built-in advantage from the fact that he has infrastructure still in place from four years ago. but, you know, like i said, this is still anyone's race at this point. i think the vice president certainly has strong relationships here from those relationships from his past campaigns, plus also his time as vice president. he made several trips into the state, both in 2012 and as vice president. so you know he will have a nice place to start off with, from. but there is like i said a lot of time and this really comes down to who will build the infrastructure and who will put in the hard work to win over voters in every county in this state. >> stay with me.
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i want to bring in jane sac who knows biden well and worked on his campaign and has been up close with joe biden over many years, bill crystal, editor at large and bulwark of the national standards. i know your feelings on the current president of the united states you heard biden. he is taking on trump. he is doing it aggressively. that's his main focus. would you vote for him? >> i might. i don't know if he will be the nominee. i think it's smart of him as a company campaign strategy. one thing about biden, he had a success for vice president of barack obama's coat tails, i'm joe biden, i have been here a long time. he does have a strategy, his strategy is to run against donald trump, not against the other 15 ore 20 or whatever there are democrats. >> 19 i guess. >> ignore them and take on
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trump. be polite to everyone else, convince democratic voters. he's starting from a pretty strong place that he can beat trump. he can match up with trump. >> that's all that matters. >> the nice guys, younger people mostly will squabble with themselves about this detail of policy or who is a little more liberal or progressive. this or that. i tend to be a biden skeptic in american politics. i usually go backwards and elect someone around so long, a vice president before so to speak. i think he's rung an intelligent campaign so far. >> so, jen, to this point about going backwards and also as a nominee, nominating someone older, that's not the way democrats usually go. you spent two campaign cycles on the cane chair with obama. biden was obviously there. you know him very well. you have been with him. a lot has changed over just these past few years. is joe biden ready tore thefor ?
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>> we'll see. i think a part of what delayed his announcement is he was talking to his campaign team how hard this was going to be, this is not going to be a coronation. there was a lot of excitement behind them. the gloves were off. they were right. the gloves have been off since the should be encouraging to them the support is pretty strong, it's strong under some important demographic groups, including african-american women. that's encouraging to them. he is not running the campaign is high brow campaign against donald trump. he wants to position himself as the candidate. bernie sanders is runing a brass knuckles campaign to take him out of the primary. you have to get through the primary to get to the general election. i think it has to be more than that between now and the primary start.
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i expect we will see more than that. >> joe wide him is saying he doesn't want obama's endorsement. obama is sitting this out. if you can't endorse joe bind, you are barack obama. nonetheless, he says he whether wait it out. biden says, that's okay. i don't use him. something he said when he gave him the medal of honor. here is joe biden's video today. >> joe's candid counsel has made me a better president. he could not have been a more effective partner in the progress that we've made. >> and then on the stump today. he continued. here's joe biden. >> we choose hope over fear. we choose unity over division. we choose truth over lies and we choose science over fiction. >> sounds familiar. because it is? >> we are choosing hope over fear.
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we're choosing unity over division and sending a powerful message that change is coming to america. >> yeah. well, look, why is joe biden 38% right now? not because he was a senator for 30-plus years, he was barack obama's vice president. barack obama is extremely popular, a two-term president and he's got to play that card first. i agree with john, though, at some point, he can do this a couple months maybe, he'll stay. he has built a nice little lead here. at some point the primary becomes a primary a real fight. he has to defend various votes, distinguish himself from other candidates. i do wonder at that point the normal democratic tendency which is to go younger. the democrats placed obama, go backwards, obama, clinton, carter, john kennedy, franklin roosevelt, all the democrats who have replaced republicans their average age is 48.
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that's been the tendency among democrats, all the rules are gone, trump changed everything, who knows. i think biden is off to a good start. agree with jane, he has to have a pivot okay going forward, what itself my vision? >> troy, does age matter? obviously, joe biden is a few-years-older than the sitting president. does age matter from where you sit what you are hearing from voters? >> well, i think what matters is who is going to put in the work. they want to know that someone who is going to be able to go out there and fight every day between now and the caucuses to the general election and more importantly fight every day in the white house for them and fight on the issues that matter to them. that's what people are looking for, that's what they will be looking at when they talk to these candidates and size them up over the coming months. i look forward to the conversation that iowans will have with the vice presidents and candidates that are running. >> when cheese hope over fear,
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unity over division, the exact words that barack obama. >> he's doing it on purpose. is that all good or does that carry, tow, a great risk for joe biden? >> look, i think right now he is wrapping himself in the cloak of a popular former democratic president. you always get more popular when you leave office. no doubt about that. he remains popular among the democratic electorate. if an endorsement wins an election, hillary clinton would be sailing to her re-election right now. she's not. so i think joe biden needs to be mindful of that. he needs to pivot to what he's about, what he's going to represent. how he's moving things forward. he did a little of that today. he talked about the $15 minimum wage, buying into the public option. i think when voters tune in, they will want more. the poll today was interesting, too, 97% of people knew him. 51% knew about his policies, so he's going to have to define that so they have something to bite into when they're making a
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decision down the road when people are really tuning in post-labor day. >> all right. thank you all. and next, more controversial comments surfacing from steven moore. it's a growing number of republicans are raising serious concerns about trump's front pick for the federal reserve. >> comments like that sure don't make me happy. i'm sure they don't make you happy, either? >> plus a rare moment in washington between democrats and president trump. we agreed on a number, which was very, very good. >> i mean, it was all wonderful things, platitudes. what's going on? and then this. >> it is a time for us to address the ugly stain of slavery that is a part of our history. >> are reparations becoming the democrat's litmus test? this is not a bed... it's a revolution in sleep.
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tonight a trump pick in big trouble. even nor, president trump another pick for the fed facing a republican uproar for the past. more under fire sexist comments. some of the latest to be unearth come from our k file which found a comment in which moore denounced the violent against women act in 1994, writing the bill would be more efficient if every household would write a check to a radical feminist
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group of its choice. comments like these have mar cha blackburn unhappy. >> comments like that don't make me happy. they don't make me happy either. if he is the nominee, i guarantee you one thing this will absolutely come up in that conversation. absolutely. >> okay. jodi ernst said she would be unlikely to vote for moore. it isn't just women would be incensed, senator lindsey graham describing moore's as problematic. more tells moore that he wants to sit down with all of them and say i'm not anti-woman. manu, how much trouble is moore in? >> a significant amount of trouble. he had been normally nominated. willer the republican senator said don't follow the paperwork to nominate him.
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the chances are incredibly slim. they would need to lose no more than three republicans senators to get his nomination through, already more than three are signaling significant concerns. you named some of them, including joni ernst, he would be unlikely to be confirmed if he gets nominated. every republican senator to say they would be unlikely to vote with him. he does not plan to step aside at the moment, ultimately, this will be a decision for the white house, whether wha do they want to put their colleagues through this fight, moore would undoubtedly get skriet newsed and republicans can take a tough vote, democrats are simulating they will be in the nomination, the number two republican told cnn you have to know you are going to have, you are telling the white house they should know, they will get this
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analysis and scrutiny, it would be helpful before they nominated these individuals. >> all right. thank you very much. i want to go to john walsh, and a member of the president trump's reelecttory council, these comments from moore, this is a guy, i personally heard him speak this way, this is over many years, it's extremely different. >> it's disqualifying. i think that we will see his nomination not come to fruition. let's watch twitter tonight and tomorrow, i think even this president is going to have a hard time with that. i just have to say, i think steve moore is trying out on tv and op-ed columns for his job. he impressed the president for his willingness to just back him whatever he used to be a deficit hawk, deficits are terrible. now deficits are fine. he needs to be hiked interest rates under obama.
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now, no, the whole feds should be gone, they should lower interest rates under trump. so he's been looking for someone to do his bidding. he thinks he found him. i don't think this is going to work. >> just to remind people of what moore says, another column from 2000, he complained about his wife voting for democrats, writing, quote, women are so malleable no wonder there is a gender gap. there are things like this. on this show. >> i and most americans love a woman that stands by her man and stand by her husband. >> i wanted to make sure we extended it to see my reaction to that rob. >> the flipside is that a husband should stand by his wife, too. >> good one, rob. >> there you go, here's the thing. how does this happen that they get to this point. they publicly say they will put this guy out. this is all sitting there.
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>> well, i don't think they properly vetted somebody before they put him out here. having said that, you know, the question comes down to, will 53 senators or at least 50 in the republican rank and file find this to be so onerous, find it to be so terrible that they would not vote for somebody who based on his backgrounds is very qualified. the club for growth is a main stream conservative economic think tank. most of these senators, all 53, would have interactions for the club he would be one of seven. so he wouldn't be the deciding factor to do something silly, like the gold standard. >> yet, if this is your economic view. have you some serious issues. i mean this -- >> the male needs to be the bread winner of the family and
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one of the reasons you've seen the decline of the family, not just in the black community but it's also happening in the white community as well is because women are more economically self sufficien sufficient. . >> wow, you know, some of this probably makes it more qualifying. >> your job was opened up? >> i was waiting. >> it should have been opened. the decline of the family, look, again, i've known steve moore for a long time. i am shocked to see this stuff coming out. >> i have to take issue, enter the qualified he is a partisan person. he is not someone with a docto
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doctorate. i call it extremist. whateve whatever. >> that does not qualify you to be on the fed. i will be surprised if the president braves this storm and puts him on republican senators. >> rob. let me ask you, c'mon, guys, do your work before you put people out here and put them in a horrible position. take a hike. steve moore. do they have a vetting problem or know about this stuff and frankly not care because women is not an issue this president cares about? >> no, i disagree with that i do think, look, if they vetted him and saw some of these and didn't think they would be completely problematic. some are. some aren't. some will poo poo it and say it was done in guest or humor, some will have serious problems and clearly we know which ones those
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are. are they a hurdle? it's not like her man king. >> how do you sit down, he says he wants to sit down and say i am not, what are the exact words. >> anti-woman. >> when he says the male needs to be the bread winner, the reason you see the decline of the family, it's happening in the white community as well because women are much more self sufficient. i was on cspan, so it wasn't a joke. >> in 2000. >> that's a focus on the family, a right wing point of view. but that's not something economists should be as advocateing for. terrib terrible. >> there is a gender gap. send money to a radical feminist group of your choice. do you think a guy can sit down, sure, he's a likable guy in person. water under the bridge?
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>> i think they want an explanation. they will want more information on what his policies would be. that's what he would be doing on the fed. to say the federal reserve board nominees of both parties are fought political is a joke. every one of those every one of those appointees came through the system, came to their party. there is a reason they got the plummest of plum picks. they donated to the party or the president. they have come to the party and known people. so it shouldn't be different for someone like steven moore, take, put aside a second the things he wrote. it shouldn't be any different he was picked because he is involved in conservative party politics. >> sometimes they buck their president. we'll say that. >> next, breaking news, the post showing robert mueller took issue with attorney bill barr's summary, told him it failed to
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take the nature and stance. this is breaking at this hour. the reporter who broke that is out front. next, the debate over reparations, picking up steam in the democratic primary. mom, what's for din-ner? cash payouts? >> no. >>
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report. that was the letter. according to washington post, mueller told barr in his own letter the depicts of his findings in that barr memo failed to capture the quote context, nature and substance of the mueller probe. "out front" one of the washington reporters breaking this story tonight and cnn laura jarrett. matt. tell me what you know, when, how mueller did this, when, give us the details as it happened. >> you have to flash back to kind of late march when mueller ends his investigation and a couple days latering bill barr writes a four-page letter to congress that lays out mueller's principle conclusions and those by bill barr's telling are mueller couldn't find coordination between trump and russia and he didn't come to a conclusion on obstruction, that's it. i think there were two quotes from the mueller report. in the days after that we're still in late march, mueller writes a letter, bob mueller to
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bill barr saying for all intents and purposes, you've mischaracterized my work. this really jeopardizes public faith in this sum rear. they hash it all more in a phone call. mueller wants to release more information. they don't do that but eventually more information is released. >> he writes a letter to barr, there is a phone conversation where they actually speak. okay. i know you have a lot more of the letter. the letter, again, the letter mueller writes to barr also says, quote, there is now public confusion about critical aspects about the results of our investigation. this threatens to undermine the special purpose which they appointed a special counsel to assure full public confidence in the outcome of the investigations. matt, can you lay out how unprecedented a move this is, to come from mueller who never speaks, never says i want to
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talk about the significance that you are learning about it now. the fact that he sent this letter around barr was mischaracterizing. he talked to him on the phone, how significant is that? >> mueller is so buttoned up. he barely said anything about the course of his probe. one time he emerges to dispute a buzzfeed story. any time mueller said anything, he thinks about it at great length. it's of great consequence. he surely knows putting this down in a letter will memorialize it. this will become a part of history. he is for all intents and purposes disputing how bill barr cast his work. everyone can kind of read his full report now and come to their own conclusion. it's a remarkable thing for a guy so chain of command, so by the book force go outside and kind of question his boss like what are you doing? and do it on paper in a way that he knows it will become public. >> right. he knew that would eventually
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happen. what do you know of barr's response when he gets this letter, obviously, then, who chose to follow up with the phone call, what happened? what was barr's response? >> this was different people's perspectives, right in from bill barr's perspective, he is taken aback. he offered mueller, by his account. he offered mueller the chance to review that four-page letter that he sent to congress and mueller declined the opportunity to to so. so bill barr, the way it's described to us tonight is thinking eventually i will release this report. everything is good and then he gets this letter and is chokd, oh my gosh i didn't realize there was this level of discontentment. he calls mueller and they talk it out. mueller wants to release the executive summary, at the beginning of each section. mueller wants to suggest redaction so it's easier to do
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bill barr doesn't want to do that. he wants to proceed to doing everything at once. eventually that's what happens. >> do you have any idea why? mueller feels barr misrepresents the nuance, the substance, he feels that way, you are saying barr gave him the opportunities to review the summary. do you know why mueller didn't take it? >> i don't know why mueller didn't take it. certainly the way the process would work is it's the attorney general's kind of decision on what to tell congress and maybe mueller as we've talked ability. he's so by the book. he's so chain of command. he figures bill barr is my friends, a justice department veteran. he will handle this, it's handled in a way mueller feels is the wrong way. he has to interject. i'm speculating. i don't know why mueller declines that opportunity. >> one final question, matt. when he takes issue, do you know any specifics of the specific things he felt were
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mischaracterized? was it all obstruction? on how collusion was characterized or do you know any of those specifics? >> yeah. so for him personally, we don't know what's beyond the lettered and what we've reported in our story. before this, we had reporteding that members of his team were frustrated. particularly with the characterization on obstruction. they felt the case they laid out there was so much more damaging and compelling than mueller couldn't make a decision, which is how bill barr described it. that was frustrating to members of his team. what was on mueller's mind, we only know what is in that letter. thank you very much, a hugely significant development in this story. i appreciate your taking the time, obviously, i want to go, we got a lot of people to talk through this this is an important development. former nixon white house counsel john dean joins me on the phone. what is your reaction to matt and his team's reporting, again, mueller telling barr the depicts of his findings by barr in that
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letter failed to quote the content nature and substance of the mueller probe? >> it's a pretty devastating report, particularly on the eve of barr going to congress to have to testify on this very subject tomorrow before the senate judiciary committee. he's going to be grilled. it's clear he was spinning what the special counsel did. he didn't do it accurately. the special counsel called him on it. he better have very good answers by tomorrow morning. so so bar obviously accused of misleading congress when it came to the principle conclusion ossen the other matter when he was the ag. on the central issue of, i know, max, it could be because he's by the book. barr writes the summary, he gives him a chance to review it. mueller proceeds with his own
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letter. what do you think mueller chose not the read it? >> wiell, i think it was clearl under the regulations, his requirement to turn the report over, his report to the attorney general and then for the attorney general to deal with it accordingly. and when the attorney general dealt with it publicly and inaccurately, he called him on it. and apparently from the reporting, not only was barr surprised. but the people in the department of justice were somewhat struck by the, the result of the special counsel calling the attorney general. they realized that he has probably misrepresented their work and now they were involved in this whole mess. so barr is spinning this. he is taking. he looks like he's ready to take a bullet for the president on this issue. he's let the president off scott free and that clearly wasn't the findings of the special
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counsel's report we know now. particularly on the, especially on the obstruction issue. >> issue of obstruction. >> that's a close call, yes. >> so when they then have this follow-up phone call, according to matt, barr calls mueller and says we need to talk. and mueller says, let's puts out the principle conclusion, which matt accurately points out, they are incredibly detailed. they bullet point. they give you a bought. barr still says no, according to matt. mueller suggested redactions with principles conclusions, why would bill barr say no to that? >> he wants to continue to spin. in fact. erin, when you have a chance to read the reporting on this on the next step how now the discuss tis department is characterizing this whole incident. they're pink it deal. these are two old friends, they will get it right and if that isn't what's hang at all.
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he's going to have to answer better than he has with further spin because mueller is some day going to be testifying on this as well. >> all right. let me now go to the democratic congressman from mexico. benefit ray luhan. your reaction from the reporting from "the washington post"? bob mueller says bill barr got it wrong. share. >> this is both concerning and not surprising, erin. this is the problem when bill barr acts as the personal attorney to the president as opposed to the attorney general of the united states of america and tomorrow there is going to be a lot of very important tough questions that have to be asked and that must be answered. it also shows the urgency of why the attorney general must also testify before the united states house of representatives before chairman jerry nadler and the judiciary committee. >> why do you think this is coming out tonight? this didn't happen yesterday. obviously, bill barr is testifying again tomorrow.
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so, some, you know, there is obviously, it would appear very fwar to ask if there is a method to the timing of this information coming out. >> well, one thing i always appreciate is good journalism and investigative report,. whenever we're able to be fortunate to learn the important stories of what must be told that matters. but people probably find out tomorrow morning, maybe a little bit more as to the timing of this nonetheless, this is important to the american people to find out. those are the merits that should be talked about. >> so should democrats impeach bill barr? >> well, i this i that jerry nadler, the chairman of the judiciary committee said there are a lot of important questions that need to be asked. what is concerning now is that the attorney general has loo i'd to congress not just once but on several occasions and once we get to the bottom of the attorney general whether it was misleading the congress intentionally based on the conversation and the reporting with the special counsel,
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mueller is concerned with the summary of the reports. >> so you are not going there yet. you want answers before you go there? >> i'm not going there yet. this is concerning when you have someone that loo i'd to congress not just once but on multiple occasions. now there are questions brought forward as to the intentions associated with that letter. we need to get to the bottom of that. >> the letter, jerry nadler would oversee impeachment proceedings tweeted about "the washington post" report in which he says mueller rejected the barr summary of his report. it did not fully capture the content, substance and nature of the investigation, that's the quote. nadler writes, i have demanded the letter and barr must answer for this mueller must be allowed to testify. is that now going to be the number one focus and battle for you all that you want mueller to testify? >> well, i again, i fully support jerry nadler with his
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approach and the investigations. jerry has been abundantly clear, both should be in front of the committee to testify. i think it's imperative now we identify where these lies are coming from and who was misleading the congress and get them before the judiciary committee as soon as possible. >> you were at the white house. you were with the president. there was that meeting on infrastructure. there were a lot of nice things set. be every this report. here are some things nancy pelosi, cluck schumer said when they came out of that room. >> we just had a very productive meeting with the president of the united states. >> there was good will in this meeting. we agreed on a number, which was very, very good. $2 trillion for infrastructure. >> all right. is that all now back to ancient history? now that this happened? >> absolutely not. it was a very productive meeting we had on infrastructure that took place at the white house today. and i came out optimistic that we can put together a bipartisan deal with investment infrastructure across the
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country. but we have many responsibilities. >> so you're still thinking as working with this president and not impeaching him? >> i am still looking at working to pass an infrastructure package that will create jobs across america, while congress also takes its constitutional oversight responsibility serious on behalf of the country. we can do both. >> thank you very much. i appreciate your time. >> thank you. up next our breaking news coverage continues. we are just learning new details about mueller's objections to barr's summary. what were they specifically? coming in, new calls from democrats for barr's resignation. lillian castro saying he must resign or face impeachment. not thick, not hot, not messy, just clear, cool, protected. coppertone sport clear. proven to protect. uh, well, this will be the kitchen.
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we are following the breaking news, cnn now learning bob mueller complained to bill barr directly about the letter, the summary, in which he described the principle conclusions of his report. the "washington post" first to report mueller wrote a letter to barr in which he said in part there is public confusion about critical aspects about the results of our investigation. there threatens to undermine a central purpose for which the department appointed the special counsel, to assure full public confidence in the outcome of the investigations and barr failed to capture the substance of the
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mueller probe. out front our justice correspondent lara jarrett. obviously, this is a humpblg development. what are you learning as to why? what was it mueller objected to in bar's >> erin, for weeks we've heard democrats object. saying they were unhappy with how he rolled it out. the press conference that came afterwards putting the president in the best possible rosie picture. people have been very critical of how the attorney general has rolled that out. we're learning that the special counsel had misgivings about barr's four-page summary and thought that it didn't fully capture the full nuance of what we all saw in those 448 pages. obviously it's very hard to distill hundreds of pages into a four-page summary despite the
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attorney general trying to do that over the course of that one weekend. we a're learning that not only d he write a letter to the attorney general but he had a follow-up conversation the next day with him where he said, look, the press coverage here is misleading, inaccurate, it's not fully capturing the full scope of my findings. and so it's really causing a riff between two men that have known each other for a very long time but also i'm told by senior justice officials that barr has been frustrated about the fact that mueller didn't reach a conclusion on obstruction. there are certainly issues on both sides. >> laura, thank you. i want to bring in jenn saki, ed crystal. david guergin and matt sepatowski of the washington post who first broke this story. david, what's your reaction to this news, that mueller sayings
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y -- says you did not get it right, bill barr? >> very surprised. one would have thought there would have been complete communication. barr said he offered mueller a chance to review his document before it was published. >> yeah. >> and also talked about the redactions and that didn't happen. to some extent barr would say if there were differences it rested on mueller. he didn't want to get involved. having said that, you know, there's no question that the mueller letter gives ammunition to those who have been skeptical about barr and about how he was analyzing the report. >> ammunition, bill, or more? does this change the game? you heard ben ray louhan. he didn't take any avenue he was given hereon impeachment.
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here he said he spent 20 months of this country's time and money and what you said i said is not what i said. >> when serious attorneys try to be impartial, read the mueller report. putting aside barr's letter and press conference, mueller is inviting congress to consider impeachment on the obstruction issue. that's congress's judgment. barr did succeed in coloring things sufficiently that the democrats have been very timid to make that obvious statement. look, we at least have to consider this. we're not going to say impeachment. i think they have to think seriously. >> this is a zbam changer. >> mueller is saying, i knew what i was doing when i laid these out and for barr to conclude it didn't mean obstruction and to color it was wrong. there will be a lot of fighting about bill barr. that will ultimately be a side show. this affects trump. barr spoke to the white house before writing his four-page
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letter, we know that? i believe we do. he spoke with them before his press conference. it's not like barr is acting entirely absent from having consultations with perhaps maybe not the president directly or maybe the president directly. i do think this puts the question of impeachment legitimately, leaving aside congress, front and center for congress. >> front and center. you hear bill use the word ti d timidity. you heard congressman louhan. he wasn't ready to do it. >> that's true, but i do think that's because their objective, even in leadership, is to lay the public case. they know that the public is not with them or with the supporters of impeachment at this point. they know they have work to do to bring the public with them on making the case. this is the kind of letter followed by mueller testifying, which i expect they're going to step up their asks for and their public pushes for, that will
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help them make that case publicly, especially of course on the obstruction piece. >> so, matt, obviously you can't divulge your sources in any way, but could you contextualize for us why you think this is -- you know, you've obviously been working on this a long time. you get this information now, the motive of why this is perhaps happening now that you're able to get this information. >> look, the thing i would say on that is that mueller put this down in writing. this was going to come out. when you do that, you kind of keep book on somebody, keep book on your thoughts, that you know it's going to come out. bill barr has right now two congressional hearings scheduled this week, tomorrow and the next day. if the next day, one, actually happens, this is something that's certainly going to come up at those. i'm not sure it would come up before we reported it or not. it will certainly come up now. that's all i can say. >> that is for sure. this is going to be in a sense a seismic shift in terms of the
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questioning, right? it's no longer people, as bill said, relying on lawyers and interpretation. it is now the special counsel himself saying, yeah, i meant something different. thank you all very much. our breaking news continues. stay with us. nutrition can seem overwhelmin. even if you try to eat well, you might fall short in key nutrients. get more by adding one a day. it's the #1 multivitamin uniquely designed for men and women. one serving, once a day. one a day. and done. [happy ♪irthday music] ♪ don't get mad, put those years to work with e*trade. woman: this is your wake-up call.
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breaking news. cnn learning robert mueller took issue with attorney general bill barr's summary of his investigation. he told the attorney general that his initial four page summary of the report did not accurately fully capture the nuance, the substance, the context of the 428 page report. david gurgin is back. you think this changes the discussion on capitol hill? >> i do. not that it leads to impeachment directly. the president and bill barr, i think it gives the democrats ammunition to push. to get bill barr up there to testify and under scrutiny and get the other documents, i think this gives them a lot more strength to do that. that does change the dynamics. >> david guergin, thank you so
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much. thanks to all of you for joining us. as this story develops tonight ahead of barr's testimony tomorrow. obviously going to change that, perhaps completely, "ac 360" begins right now. good evening. it is one thing to object to how the attorney general of the united states characterized the mueller report, which president trump seized on to declare himself exonerated in the russian investigation, it's another thing entirely when the person doing the objecting is robert mueller himself. it's the breaking news hitting the night before william barr is set to testify before the senate judiciary committee. for weeks all we had was the four-page summary which looked to clear the president entirely. tonight we're learning the special counsel had serious concerns about that, serious enough to write his own friend the attorney general. cnn's pamela brown has the details. explain what we've learned about th