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eventually running from the plane after getting off the slide. many of them with luggage in hand. russia state news agency says president vladimir putin is ordering a full investigation into the crash. cnn's fred pleitgen joining me right now. fred the plane left the airport in moscow only to turn around with trouble. >> reporter: yeah, you're absolutely right. turned around only after a couple minutes. certainly looking at that video it seems a surprise that anybody would have walked away from that crash alive. you can see the plane coming down at the airport and took off from that airport only a couple hours before that incident there happened. then comes to a screeching halt and seems to somehow slide off the tarmac absolutely engulfed in a ball of fire. as you said, people then running out of the plane. now, apparently what happened is that it took off a couple minutes later. it declared an emergency and decided to return back to that airport. it's unclear what exactly caused all that.
the plane then touched down about 26 or 28 minutes after it had taken off. so far what the russian investigators are saying is they say those engines caught on fire after the plane hit the ground. so it could have been somewhat of a hard landing. but again, at this point in time, that investigation is still very much on going. unfortunately, of course, 13 people were killed in that incident. that's what the russian authorities are saying so far, including two children. now, that jet in question is actually a russian-built jet. it's been in commercial service for a couple of years. i've been looking up that particular plane that took off there earlier today and apparently that's only been in service for a little under two years in that russian airline. and so far again unclear how exactly this happened, why exactly this emergency happened. there are some who are saying the weather in and around that airport could have played a role. i took off from that airport only a couple hours, fredricka, before that incident happened.
certainly this were some thunderstorms forecast for the late afternoon for that area exactly when that incident took place. whether or not that played a role at this point in time still unclear. as you noted vladimir putin saying the russian authorities saying there is going to be a very thorough investigation into what exactly happened to that plane. obviously unfortunately for those people who perished as that plane there made that hard landing. >> calling it a criminal information. is that standard because of the casualty rate? >> reporter: yep. yeah, that's exactly it. the casualty rate is exactly why the russians launched that part of the russian law. it says endangering the safety of transport and causing more than two people to be killed in an incident. that's the reason why this is a criminal investigation to see whether or not any sort of safety standards may have been breached to see whether or not some of the reason may have played a role in that plane coming down. of course, these investigations, as we know, fredricka, they tend to take a long time.
and for investigators who are going to have to try to piece things back together to look at the wreckage of that plane, we see the aftermath of that plane, at least the back half of the aircraft seems to be completely destroyed. the tail fin seems to be completely missing. everything behind the area of the engines seems to have been completely destroyed by that fire. so certainly you'll see that investigators will have a very, very difficult time piecing through all of that. of course, they're also going to be interviewing all the people who survived that crash to try to find out from them whether or not there was some sort of incident mid-air that caused all that to happen. again, only a couple of minutes after the plane took off, fredricka. >> fred pleitgen, incredible images there. thank you from moscow. i want to bring in david susy, a former faa safety inspector and the awe thosh of a book on the disappearance of flight 370. david, good to see you. earlier i spoke with, you know, variety of experts who say this looks like a fuel line, you know, fire. what's your assessment when you
look at this? >> it certainly does because of the fact that there's so much flames, just horrific to watch that video. so surprised there's only 13 deaths being reported at this point. very surprising. >> yeah. so what does it say to you that once this plane comes to a stop and, you know, passengers get on the chute and they exit, that you're looking at flames and smoke from the engine all the way to the rear? >> uh-huh. well, it appears to me either a fuel line like you said before or a fuel leak a rupture in a fuel tank which can happen on a hard landing too. both of those things will be delving into that, but what's more interesting to me at this point as far as the investigation goes if you look at the attitude, the flight attitude of the aircraft as it goes down the runway, it's very, very nose high, even after the nose wheel touches the ground which indicates to me that the landing gear was noft fully extended and that the aircraft landed on its belly without full
landing gear underneath it. that's what it would be looking at first. >> that contributes to the fire and the smoke in your view then? >> yeah, it would because at that point it's literally landing on its belly and the engines are drag ogen the ground. the fuel lines and fuel supplies, the pressure is there so then it would continually fuel that fire. >> so how would the investigation try to get to the bottom of this with that kind of, you know, destruction, you know, of key piece of evidence, the entire plane and the boxes aren't they usually in the tail? at least one of them. >> cockpit voice recorders will be very important here, but because a lot of times when you interview the pilots after this type of event, they're not real clear obviously they have gone through a lot. so they're not real clear on what exactly happened. the cockpit voice recorders come really into play right now and i'm sure they're looking at those, the flight data recorder would tell them what's happened to the fuel pressure. so if there's a ruptured fuel line, those fuel pressures would be lowered.
they would be flowing faster out through the engine, the pressures would change. there's a lot of information that could be gained. there's 10,000 data points in those flight data recorders taking anything from the vibration levels, the fuel pressure levels and the movements of the cockpit and what's happening in the cockpit as well. a lot of information there and they will be able to narrow this down pretty quickly. >> those recordings would be able to document what may have happened, what precipitated a fire in an engine? >> it could very well. it doesn't necessarily mean it will. i read one russian report that talked about lightning that the aircraft suffered lightning strike. i want to make real clear that aircraft get hit by lightning more often than you might know. they're equipped to handle that. i don't know of any investigation i have done where lightning caused a fire on board the aircraft. i wanted to put -- discuss that piece just briefly. >> appreciate it. david soucie, thank you so much. >> thank you. still ahead, president trump says bob mueller should not
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for mueller to testify saying -- quoting now, are they looking for re-do because they hated seeing the strong no collusion conclusion? there was no crime except on the other side, incredibly not covered in the report and no obstruction. bob mueller should not testify, no re-dos for the dems. that contradicts what the president said just days ago. >> mr. president, should mueller testify? would you like to see him testify? >> i don't know. that's up to our attorney general who i think has done a fantastic job. >> let's bring in boris sanchez at the white house where the president is now weighing in on calls for mueller to testify, thumbs down from the president. >> reporter: yeah, that's right, fred. despite what you heard there from the president on friday saying that it would be up to attorney general william barr to determine whether it would be appropriate for special counsel robert mueller to testify before the house judiciary committee. now we're hearing president trump clarify his feelings in this tweet saying flat out bob mueller should not testify. of course; when the attorney general was asked about this, he
did not see it the way that the president does in this tweet about a re-do for democrats. listen to what the attorney general actually said. >> what about bob mueller, should he be allowed to testify before this -- >> i already said publicly i have no objection to him. >> and don mcgahn, should he be allowed to testify? >> that's a call for the president to make. >> the president, of course, has said he does not want don mcgahn, the former white house counsel to testify. now, as for the reason why president trump would not want bob mueller to go public before the house judiciary committee, there's a number of embarrassing details in t mueller report about aides ignoring the president, suggestions that witnesses may have destroyed evidence. of course, those ten or so incidents when the president tried to interfere in the special counsel's probe and further, of course, that letter that robert mueller wrote to the attorney general outlining what he saw as mischaracterizations in the letter that attorney general william barr wrote about the mueller report before it was ultimately released.
you can bet the white house does not want robert mueller publicly digging into what he saw as an inaccurate portrayal of his findings in the final report, fred. >> all right. boris sanchez, thank you so much. let's talk further on all this with me now is ron brownstein senior editor for atlantic and cnn political analyst and joining me a former federal prosecutor and cnn legal analyst. good so see you both. >> hi, fred. >> ron, you first. the president said the mueller report exonerates him, so why now would he not want bob mueller to elaborate in congress? >> two reasons because one the report goes out of its way to say it does not exonerate him on the questions of obstruction of justice and questions of cooperation with the russians, you know, they acknowledge that there were points they could not unravel, that they reached dead ends. then secondly -- >> he's known that over the past few weeks and just in the matter o r of days he changed his mind publicly. >> look, i think the president
understands the power of the televised image and having bob mueller spend a day in front of the house, talking about the report in a much more full way than obviously william barr has done without the kind of the spin that the attorney general has put on it is not something that the president wants to see and certainly doesn't want don mcgahn testifying about what he testified to mueller about. i think this is going to be a very consequential fight and it's a test just as much as for bob mueller on what he is willing to do to defend the accuracy of his own findings as it is for the likely -- perhaps the legal system as well. >> might the president, ron, been influenced by barr's testimony this past week and that gave now the president pause or helped to underscore power of testimony on the hill? >> possibly. look, i think the administration has very successfully managed the first month of the mueller report. and as i've said before, i think
in some ways bob mueller looked a little bit like a man out of time other the last several weeks since he finished his report. in that, he kind of assumed that he was still playing by the rules that governed washington while he was kind of the hay day of his career and that the attorney general would play straight with him, that a president would -- those are not the rules of today's hyperpartisan washington and not the rules particularly of the trump era. and the thought that an attorney general would characterize, put such a severe spin on his report, i think, did not fully occur to him, even his response a private letter that, you know, still was not made public for weeks allowing the attorney general to shape the narrative. bob mueller now has a chance to explain to the country exactly what he thought of the evidence that he unearthed. as i said, it's as much a test of him as anyone else whether he finds a way to avail himself of that opportunity. >> so this was the attorney general before the senate, senate committee earlier this week. take a listen.
>> what about bob mueller, should he be allowed to testify? >> i already said publicly i have no objection to him. >> and don mcgahn, should he be allowed to testify? >> that's a call for the president to make. >> so, will it be the president's call in terms of stopping bob mueller from testifying? >> i don't see any legal basis for the president to stop bob mueller from testifying. he wasn't an adviser of the president. he wasn't engaged in delibtive conversations with the president that there would be some executive privilege over. i don't see any way trump can do this which makes the tweet very bizarre from my perspective. he's showing a fear of mueller testifying and won't be able to do anything about it. >> it will be particularly bad if barr changes his mind now and puts an obstacle in place for bob mueller to testify when he testified he wouldn't have a problem with it. wouldn't you see potentially happening if barr suddenly
changes his mind? >> what i would see -- sure. what i would see happening is mueller within some reasonable period of time leaving the justice department, as i imagine he was planning to do any way. and then after that, there would be no obstacle. there's no way they can prevent a former employee from testifying. i think this is absolutely a losing move for them unless they think a month of delay or few weeks of delay is going to be to their benefit. >> so what -- wouldn't that be the same, i guess, explanation for don mcgahn? he is now a private citizen? nothing stops him then from testifying. >> well, certainly i think that the executive privilege claim that the white house has is totally bogus and wouldn't hold up in court. however, they do have a colorful claim. with a straight face they could say there's some executive privilege issue. mcgahn, he's a conservative foot soldier who has come up through the ranks and frankly been a big
proponent of the trump administration and praised the president after leaving the administration, so he could say, look, even though i'm not required to, given there's this concern over executive privilege, i'm not going to comply with the subpoena until after that is resolved. >> ron, just moments ago congressman adam schiff responded to the president's tweet earlier about mueller shouldn't be allowed to testify or shouldn't testify and so schiff says today trump announce head is opposed to mueller testifying before congress before the american people. he also opposes letting mcgahn appear. barr's testimony alone designed to protrump isn't going to cut it. they will testify. the american people deserve the truth. perhaps the white house counsel, don mcgahn testify, what can we expect in the coming days? we know there's the mueller report deadline by 9:00 a.m., unredacted, but really what potentially could happen next? >> well, this is just one front in what is becoming an epic and
an historic confrontation over the ability of congress to perform oversight on the executive branch because the administration is not only fighting mcgahn, fighting mueller, not providing the unredacted mueller report, but whole array of other issues they are blocking officials from testifying about the census from security clearances, the president's taxes. >> it's only underscoring the whole hiding issue. this makes it worse for the president, doesn't it? >> well, from perspective perhap. but in reality, democrats have to find a way to enforce this. and that means the courts. what's really striking in all this, fred, is the republicans in congress in essence siding with the president and essentially allowing and supporting the executive branch, undermining the oversight authority of congress. it is really astounding i think to see in particular some of the republican senators who have been there for many years not raising more objections to this kind of systematic stone walling of oversight and we're going to see. many of these issues are going
to go to the courts. is john roberts and the four other republican appointed supreme court justices going to support the oversight authority of congress in the end? will the administration negotiate out some of these issues in we are in a broad front crisis here, i think, that is going to, i think, have lasting impact on the ability of congress to exert its historic oversight functions over the executive branch. >> all right. we will lee it there, gentlemen. ron, renato, thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you. still ahead, democratic candidates out across the country today shoring up support ahead of those critical and first debates this summer. how they're trying to breakthrough to voters amid a very crowded democratic field next. is your floor's best friend. only roomba uses 2 multi-surface rubber brushes to grab and remove pet hair. and the roomba filter captures 99% of dog and cat allergens. if it's not from irobot, it's not a roomba.
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♪ former vice president joe biden's calling president trump a, quote, clown. gave him the nickname right after telling voters he wouldn't get into a, quote, mud wrestling match with trump. biden spent the weekend in early voting state of south carolina. pete buttigieg is there as well, kicking off a two-day swing. he is trying to connect with black voters who will play a key role in determines who will get the 2020 nomination, specially in south carolina. cnn political reporter vanessa
is in north charleston for us. what will go on? what will be the message? >> reporter: hi, fred. yeah, that's right. he's here in north charleston, south carolina, where almost 50% of the population is african-american. i'm told by his campaign he's going to continue to push what he calls his agenda for black america. he's going to be laying out five pillars, those include housing, health care, education, entrepreneurship and criminal justice reform. he's also going to take questions from the audience here. he wants to hear from them about what they would like to see in their community. now, pete buttigieg has acknowledged that he is having a tougher time connecting with more of a diverse audience. and he's hoping to see that diversity here this evening. according to a recent cnn poll, he's in the top five in terms of democratic presidential candidates. he's polling at about 7%. but when you look at him compared to where he is with non-whites, he's polling only at
about 3%. so we started to get the ball rolling last week. we saw him meet with reverend al sharpton at the famed sylvia's restaurant in harlem and that's a traditional stop for many democratic presidential candidates who are in the race. he also this morning met with another heavy hitter before coming here. he made an unannounced stop in plains, georgia. he met with former president carter. he met with him at his home. they then went to church together and finished off the afternoon with lunch together in georgia. so now he's making his way here over to north charleston where he's going to speak to this audience and hoping that he'll be able to connect to that african-american community on some of the issues that are really important to them. fred? >> vanessa, thank you so much. jobs, jobs, jobs. president trump is riding the high off the block buster jobs
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of impressive gdp growth, a new poll just released today showing that 51% of people approve of the way president trump is handling the economy. cnn talked to enthusiastic democratic voters and asked them if they believe the president deserves credit for the economy and here is their take. >> i think he gets a little bit of credit, but the economy is a cycle. it was on the upswing when he took office and it's continued to go that way, and that's great. >> past administration's policies are just now catching up with president that left so we haven't seen what is coming up with this person in office. it's yet to be realized. >> president trump gets no credit for the economy being where it was now because it was the previous office that starting this ball to rolling. >> i think that trump is working really hard to undo a lot of the progresses that we've made in the time. a lot of reasons why we are
doing well. >> let's talk more on this joining me right now john hope bri brian. working to disrupt poverty and empower inclusion for low and moderate income youths and adults. he's also a member of the president's advisory counsel on financial capability and best selling author. the list is long. his latest book called "the memo" five rules for her economic liberation. good to see you. >> good to see you. former member of the president's counsel. >> that's right. >> three presidents. >> if you were to advise the president right now on how to use these numbers to his advantage, he says he's going to run on it. you know, for re-election, what would you say he needs to zero in on? >> i think he needs to acknowledge the gap. >> what do you mean by that? >> chris rock once said, i ain't never been to jail. not supposed to go to jail. you don't get credit for doing what you aren't supposed to do. >> he should be maintaining an
inherited good economy. >> yes. and give him credit and his administration's credit for the fact that deregulation and the tax break did give the economy a bump. these new jobs the growth seems to be real. but the gaps are unbelievable. >> what do you mean by those japs? >> let me talk about the gap that affects all of us. 40% of these jobs are less than $15 an hour. they're hourly wages. and 15% -- sorry, 40% of all jobs are going to disappear completely in 15 years because of robotics and a.i. so if you're driving a car or in a restaurant or anything that is customer service only, poof, they're gone. these jobs are first of all 40% of the jobs what i call ghost jobs, here today, gone tomorrow without significant intervention and restraining. number two, 55 rule. in chicago, 5% of white men 20 to 24 out of work, out of school. 50% of black men in the same category out of work, out of school.
you can't avoid that. >> the disparities are great and you're not hearing from the president or are you hoping to hear from the president how to close these gaps? because you're calling these sub numbers. while these numbers are great, just barely over 3% unemployment rate, there are great disparities in particular communities. and you know the president boasts of african-american unemployment, low, low, low, but you're showing that depengd on geographically where you are and what sex and what age group it's not so great. >> fredricka, i don't want anybody boasting. this is no time to boast. we're all in serious pain right now. the difference is when white americans have a headache, black and brown folks have pneumonia. show me. so there are qualified opportunity zones that came out of the bipartisan legislation -- congress and the president signed it. everybody gets credit for that. let's execute on that. black owned and brown owned
businesses that create jobs. the best rates bullet in the south side of chicago is a job. so the pounding on the chest is nice theater but it's not -- doesn't put a roof over anybody's head or pay a mortgage. that's really what i'm talking about. >> so what's your expectation over the next year and a half, you know, of campaigning and the president says this will be a top priority? >> i expect that all candidates recognize that whether you're white, black, red, brown or yellow you want to see more green. americans want to see more green as in the color of u.s. currency. and they want us to start focussing on executing on an economy that is stabilized. again, the jobs are real. we can't run out of steam. we have to build on this to help the middle class that are struggling with too much. to understand i met one of the people in your staff, young caucasian girl, brilliant. how did you get here? what do you need -- >> talking about grace. >> we need a massive tax incentive for corporations to create massive internships. just like her. but if you're black and brown
and south side of chicago or west side of atlanta, all right, if you hang around nine broke people, you'll be the tenth. >> you have to be exposed to training. >> and relationship capital that can get you employed. >> the president knows that. he's a businessman. >> that's right. >> how do you see -- i'm hearing a couple different things. people are celebrating the economy, the numbers are good, i'm not hearing a lot of hope coming from john hope bryant here. i'm hearing that you are concerned about how to use some momentum. how to constructively use what should be momentum coming from these numbers. >> i'm saying folks who want to talk about politics in the white house or in washington, that's the stage for theater. you start talking about the economy, people's jobs, let's take the theater out of it and let's get real serious about this because this is the whole ball game. we are living in a capitalist democracy underneath capitalism is democracy. you have to first collect it like a capitalist. we have to turn young, black
kids into proper capitalists by giving them financial literacy they didn't get in the freeman's bank default of 1865 with even president lincoln realized after the civil war it was about economics, jobs and opportunity to create this bank to teach free slaves about money he gets killed the next month. it's not like we got the memo on free enterprise and screwed it up. we never got the memo. right now if you're middle class of any color, you got too much month at the end of your money. >> you need resources. >> yeah. >> so health care costs are going up. real estate costs are going up. education is like a private asset, it should be a public good. those three things are going up 6r%. health care is 6% a year. we're celebrating 3.7% gdp growth, fantastic. health care costs are going up to 6 to 8%. people are rung out of steam. they got too much -- they're in pain and want to see real relief and something other than just a speech. by the way, there are tools in place. >> are you optimistic about that could happen? >> yeah, i see folks at the
treasury doing the right thing. folks were just here in atlanta talking about the qualified opportunity zones. but it's all in the execution. so i have reason to be optimistic, but he or she who should be given the leadership talent are those who create the jobs not the promises for those. >> john hope bryant, you better be optimistic with that name. >> i'm a practical optimist. >> good to see you. >> thanks for all you do. >> appreciate it. we'll be right back. -breaki. something epic. so, we took all our engineering experience... a hundred years-worth of learning from impossible projects all over the planet... the heart and soul of a cat... and found a way to fit it all... ...right through that gate. this could be huge. last year, the department of veteran's affairs partnered with t-mobile for business,
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welcome back. michael cohen is getting ready to report to prison. tomorrow president trump's former fixer begins a three-year sentence. earlier this year cohen pleaded guilty to bank and tax fraud charges as well as campaign finance violations. cnn's brynn gingras takes a look at what cohen can expect behind bars. >> reporter: the time has come for michael cohen to trade in his designer suits for prison gash, the former fixer to president trump turned foe reports to the prison in new york monday, day one of his three-year sentence for several white collar crimes including tax fraud and campaign finance
violations. forbes magazine rated the federal correctional facility one of america's ten curbiest prisons in 20102009. it houses 858 inmates including doomed fire festival premoteer billy mcfarland and mike "the situation" sorrention. tucked at the foot of the cat skill mountains and made up of two campuses a medium and minimum security center many tch bureau of prisons which designates where inmates stay won't comment where cohen will be housed until he checks in. cohen's day will likely begin at 6:00 a.m. with a wakeup call and lights on. lights out at 11:30. his days will be made up of meals, work calls, unit sanitation and leisure activity time. could include basketball, bocce ball or horseshoes. perhaps a stark difference from
the past year where cohen kept busy appearing in court, meeting with his lawyers or testifying to congress publicly. >> today i am here to tell the truth about mr. trump. >> reporter: and behind closed doors in his efforts to clear his name and distance himself from the president. brynn gingras, cnn, new york. still so much straight ahead in the "news room." first, meet this week's cnn hero a woman working to change the culture of an entire country. in ethiopia, most women and girls do not have access to sanitary pads. many girls stay at home during their period. they're scared and ashamed. half of the population is dealing with this issue but no one is willing to talk about it. i knew that i have to make a product that help these women and girls to get on with their lives. >> translator: all i want is all girls to have dignity, period.
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♪ extraordinary new video we want to share you of that horrific plane fire on a moscow runway as you will see this video is now from the inside of the plane after the plane caught fire. and we want to caution you that the video may not be suited for all viewers, but this is video from inside the plane as it was still in the air. take a look. yes. russian-state media reporting now 13 are dead, 78 people were on board when the plane hits the runway. russia state news agency says president vladimir putin is ordering a full investigation into the crash. we'll continue to follow the developments as we get it. meantime, tonight on cnn, w.-camel bell is back with all new episode of "united shades of america" and this week he is headed to seattle to look at
what white people in america are doing to become more involved in the fight against racism, white supremacy and the rise of extremist groups. >> what's the conversation that you're having with people about whiteness? >> like we're not going to knock on a bunch of doors and say, you want to join anti-racist meeting. those would be small meetings or meeting of the people already with us. >> well, we're all here again, everybody. nancy, thanks for bringing the cup cakes again. we always love your cupcakes, nancy. let's wrap this up. >> yeah. that's not what we're doing. >> yeah. we just finished knocking on 10,000 doors and basically asking people, what is it you're upset or what is it that you want to change or whatever the issue is and move people into a campaign to win. and then along the way, then we start to have the conversations around race. did muslims, you know, crash the economy? like are black people pushing opioids into this part of the state? did undocumented immigrants stash a bunch of money in
corporate tax havens? no. the enemy is not each other. let's focus on the real villain in this story, but we can only do that start where people are at, work on what they want to work on, build a foundation or relationship and then we can start to have a different conversation. >> all right. the host of cnn's united shades of america jointing me right now. good to see you. it really looks like you talked to a variety of people about what they are doing to fight, you know, racism, white supremacy and all that because i understand that a lot of times you go through the airport and people just approach you and say what is it that i can do, you know to help fight racism. tell me how this has evolved. >> let's be clear about that fredricka. i talk to lots of people, lots of different races but it's usually white people who say what can i do? how can i help? usually people of color, we know what we can do. so this is an episode for those white people called not all white people and has a variety
of white people who are getting involved from george gayle there with alicia garza, people's action then also like the john -- puget sound john brown gun club, liberal progressive white people with guns showing up when the alt-right show up, neo-nazi show up, they show up with their guns. it's a wide range of things you can do. >> what did you personally learn from this, from this mission and, you know, from what has fueled this mission in so many people? >> you know what i learned is that people in communities feel like they cannot depend on political leaders or the government to save us from ou s ourselves at this point. we talked to duke and he said he felt the need to stand up and use his second amendment rights to defend people in his neighborhoods because he was seeing his neighborhoods with like anti-semitic things and racist things all around and nobody was doing anything. so the theme of this season
united shades, it's on us. it's on us to do it because our elected officials aren't doing it. >> and did any of these folks, you know, express to you what their encountering? are they met with dangers? are they ostracized for doing what it is that they're doing, trying to fight racism? >> yeah. all these people are dealing with the consequences. we talked to somebody who talks about doxing people and understands that means they might be doxed. people doing actions through art. everybody who is doing this in the episode underthere's consequences. they also understand they want to make their community better. a lot of people are parents. they want better communities for their kids. they're not doing this to be heroes. hate crimes are on the rise. we waited for the government to step and they haven't so people are doing it themselves. >> you met with a member of a controversial anti-fascist
group. you hear the president using the word in lots of different ways. what did you discover? >> you know, i think people talk about like it's one group and it's sort of a methodology and really it stands for anti-fashism we should all be against fascism. they use methods that not everybody use. but the people there are talking about defending the community in ways that the government the police often times are not defending our communities. person we talked to realize their methods are controversial but they were also willing to show up and talk about it on camera. >> w.-kamau bell, we love talking to you about what to expect. eye opening on so many levels. thank you. and be sure to tune in to an all-new episode of "united shades of america" with w. kamau bell tonight on cnn at 10:00 p.m. news continues with ana cabrera
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that video taken inside a russian passenger jet showing the horror unfolding as a fire ball erupts and engulfs the plane. at least 13 people, including two children, are dead. we also have these pictures showing the plane as it was forced to make an emergency landing in moscow shortly after taking off from the same airport. flames and billowing black smoke clearly visible as that plane touches down and even more video taken from the ground level capturing some of the 78 passengers and crew members evacuating on an emergency slide near the front of the jet while flames, you can see, devour the tail section. russia is now launching a criminal probe. i want to bring in cnn senior international correspondent fred pleitgen who joins us from finland. fred, do you know how long this plane was in the air before it returned and what are you hearing about what happened? >> reporter: hi, ana. the plane was really not in the air very long. i took off from that very same