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tensions grow in washington as democrats continue to push for answers on all of the questions left hanging in the mueller report and today we are learning that we will have to wait even longer to hear from special counsel robert mueller. house judiciary chairman jerry nadler said despite earlier predictions the testimony will not happen next week. meantime there is more tension as we wait to see what former white house counsel don mcgahn does. he's now a private citizen. he has been subpoenaed to testify on may 21st. but we also know that the trump administration has ordered him not to share documents. so will he show up? if he refuses chairman nadler is ready to roll with contempt charges and now threatening to bundle them. let's go straight to our cnn legal analyst michael zeldin who was mueller's special assistant at doj and a former federal prosecutor so happy friday to you. nice to have you on as always. >> thank you, brooke. >> first on the bundling, what -- how does contempt citations by the bundle work and
what does that tell you? >> well, they really aren't bundled in a literal sense of a christmas package with multiple toys in it. each has to be taken on its own merits so that a judge can resolve them if push comes to shove. it could well just mean that he's going to do them in rapid succession and then anyone who defies the subpoena will be held in contempt. it is referred to the court for resolution and the court will take them one by one by one. >> okay. on to robert mueller and his tbd testimony. we don't know what the hold-up is, but do you think we'll ever hear from him? >> i think we'll hear from him. mueller, like mcgahn, are private citizens. the white house, as much as it may want to, does not control either of them. mcgahn is a little bit different because he worked for the white house. but as we learned from comey,
when you are no longer in the white house, the white house does not control you. and so they are free to speak if they want, unless the government seeks to enjoin, prevent them, from testifying, something rarely done. i expect that mueller will testify at the right time. i think he probably would prefer to have some of the dust settle around mcgahn and the other more peripheral witnesses before he offers his -- which will be sort of like end of the story testimony. >> so on to mcgahn, as you also point out, he is now this private citizen. back when he testified, 30 plus hours to mueller, he did so and executive privilege was waived but the report states that trump asked mcgahn to fire comey which is key here, right? and so that is also a conversation between the president and his counsel. so could executive privilege be retroactively asserted? >> so i think there has been
some confusion about the question of waiver. i am one who does not believe that executive privilege was technically waived when mcgahn spoke to mueller. when the white house released the mueller report to congress, the contents of the mueller report constitutes a waiver. so mcgahn can question -- he can be required to testify anything in the mueller report and anything additional to the mueller report the president has the right to reassert executive privilege and again that is a case by case, almost document by document review by courts to determine whether the executive privilege is appropriately applied and not being applied in the contempt of a stonewall political proposition. >> okay. michael zeldin, we wait on that. thank you very much. we wait to hear more from chairman nadler. meantime i want to talk iran. breaking news on iran.
all of the tension stem from president trump saying this yesterday about his relationship with the iranian regime. >> we have one of the most powerful ships in the world that is loaded up and we don't want to have do to do anything. what i would like to see with iran, i'd like to see them call me. >> well, now we learned this morning iran responded and said, they would not be calling. cnn national security reporter kylie atwood is with me now and you have learned there is a development in this whole call me, i'm not calling you development. >> that is right. so president trump has made it abundantly clear that he will speak with iran if they'll talk to him. it is kind of who is going to act first here. the white house, however, wants to make clear that if the iranians want to reach out, that they could do so easily. they are enabled to. so they reached out to the swiss yesterday, a source tells me, and they asked them to take down the information, the telephone
number that the iranians could use if they want to reach president trump. now of course, the swiss will not pass it along unless the iranians ask for it. so it is a game of telephone around a potential phone call that hasn't happened here. but the thing is that the source tells me, it is not likely the iranians are going to ask for president trump's number. they've made it clear publicly as you stated, brooke, that they're not looking for negotiations with the u.s. and even though they are feeling the burn, they are being strangled by u.s. sanctions and there is escalating tensions with this intelligence that the u.s. has been tracking that shows that a tax on u.s. personnel in the region are possible based on credible and realistic intelligence reports. a potential phone call could help ease those tensions and the white house is making sure it's possible if the iranians want it to happen. >> so call me maybe?
kylie atwood, thank you. >> that is right. to the new escalation with the trade war with china, and look at this trade between steve mnuchin and top trade negotiator, you see the hand shake and there was no trade deal. and there may have been smiles, but china is now promising to retaliate with quote/unquote necessary counter measures, that is a fallout as the president caused the jump from 10% to 25% impacting things like fish and duggage and baseball gloves and putting industries into a tighter financial bind. some have grown optimistic that trump would hold back after talks were progressing, but then came word that the chinese were trying to go back on their word on certain negotiating points. and american manufacturers woke up to a new reality as one bike-maker describes. >> we have not made a hard calculation because actually we thought that talks were going really, really well as of a week
ago. it seems we were close to a deal and suddenly we have a crisis. bicycles are very price sensitive. if our prices need to go up, they went up about 8% last year. they probably have to go up about another 8% to 12% if this goes through and when bicycle prices go up, sales go down and so i will try my very best if this thing does stick not to have any layoffs. >> so just checking the markets. dow has been in the red for much of the day. hovering in the green just for a bit as it still is now as we watch. let's talk, suzanne thornton was deputy assistant secretary of state for east asian and pacific affairs and served under ten secretary of state and alexis wick is a former wall street executive. and welcome to you. and susan, starting with you, you have been in the room during the negotiations with china. i was reading about how you've seen members on the u.s. side fighting in front of the delegation about tariffs which you refer to as a cardinal sin
of negotiating. will you take us in the room and what do you think happened this morning at that trade meeting? >> well, what i would say is that first of all, in the negotiations, usually most of the action happens behind closed doors so the fact that these negotiations have been so public is unusual. it also makes it difficult to get to the end game. i think we're probably very close to the end. but it is never done until it is done. and i think the chinese probably are getting a little bit cold feet about the deal. that usually happens at the end. and of course we have a president who likes to sort of manufacture a crisis to get more leverage for a trade deal. so it is hard to tell at this point whether this is something where we'll have a couple more days of wrangling and then it be done or whether it could drag on for quite a long time. >> so interesting. so this may not be a done deal and this may be part of the whole thing. here is one of the multitude of tweets from president trump. he said, alexis, tariffs will make our country much stronger, not weaker.
but i imagine both countries have so much to lose for people who are sitting at home thinking, okay, so how does this affect me? what is the answer. >> so there is two perspectives. let's look at the united states alone. american consumers lose number one. they're going to pay more for products like you talked about at the very beginning. and in fact the new york fed did a survey in 2018 american consumers are spending $3 billion more in taxes a month last year. so hands down the american consumer is going to lose. the american worker could lose. you heard that story just there of someone who is manufacturing bicycles. if he has to raise prices, sales decline. as a result he might have to pull back on the work force. so the american worker loses. and number three now, the area of the economy that is getting hit where they are bearing the brunt of it is in the agricultural industry. >> talk to me about that. >> brooke, it is simply remarkable. i have never seen anything like it. i've had multiple conversations with ceos and farmers just this week alone, the record level of
bankruptcies is like nothing we've seen before. the commodity industry as a whole has been challenging over the last four or five years, right now green prices are at a 42-year low. so if this continues, we are essentially wiping out key areas of the agricultural just -- agricultural industry that we can't pull back and we cannot exacerbate it just for that industry alone. and let me tell you if you look at it from the chinese perspective, they are both jaw boning, the american consumer is the number one customer. they had the slowest growth in 28 years last year. and, oh, by the way, they are the largest holder of u.s. debt. so just as much as it is important for us, it is crucially important for china. so to me, yes, this -- we'll have this back and forth. but at the end of the day, both parties recognize we need to get a deal done. >> but on the farmer point, if i may come back to that, because,
susan, i want to ask you, alexis is hitting the nail on the head but trump is calling this a win-win, tweeting that the u.s. would use money from the tariffs to buy goods from farmers in larger amounts than china ever has and ship the goods to countries in need as humanitarian assistance. this is coming from the president. could that work? >> well, it doesn't seem like a good deal for the american consumer to me or for the american farmer. obviously i think that the u.s. needs to get this deal done and one of the issues may be that the u.s. needs to get it done more quickly than the chinese are feeling now they need to get it done. i think the chinese are able to absorb more pain at this point. they've reconciled themselves to, hey if this isn't going to do down then we can just wait and it is harder for us to do that. so which way to leverage, building goes is a good question at this point. >> and the other thing i would just add to that, too, susan, if you look at just particularly
the farmer industry, the u.s./mexico/canada trade agreement, that agreement is still not signed into law. that is not a done deal. so you've been hurt now for essentially an 18-month period just from this tariff situation. so if you think about it, even when we get back to the negotiating table, business that we have lost in exporting to china has now gone to another country. we now have to go back and renegotiate those deals. that takes time. so even if we're able to get this deal done in the next one month, two months, three months. >> damage is already done. >> exactly. so it will take far longer than we anticipate right now and that is part of the problem. farmers are feeling incredible sense of urgency. they are really in a very fragile state. to me that is the number one part of this that we need to call attention to. it is really dire. >> so i wanted to talk about it with both of you. susan, just close us out.
i know this wouldn't take effect until the goods come to america, so there is still a couple of weeks, what now? >> well, i think they have to keep working and probably through the night and over the next couple of days. i imagine the chinese, if we get some kind of resolution to this, will still have to go back to beijing. so if they could get it done quickly within the next few days, that would be the best. that is what everyone was hoping for. but certainly within the next few weeks i think we're under pressure, the chinese are under pressure and the business community just wants this to be over. so they could have some stability and that is main thing we should focus on. >> let's get out of this uncertain period and have some predictability. that is what the market and corporate america and the farmers are looking for. let's find predictability. >> ladies, thank you very much. >> thank you. coming up next, president trump's personal attorney is headed to ukraine and rudy giuliani said he will push the government there to investigate a case that involves former vice president joe biden.
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others -- brad parscale and others in the trump administration are saying we're going to do everything short of what is down right criminal. ethics don't matter any more. patriotism doesn't matter any more. and if that is where we are as a country, they are we are in deep trouble. >> cnn reporter michael warren is with me now. and so i know you talked to rudy giuliani this morning and unlike chairman schiff, he sees nothing wrong with the trip. >> reporter: he told cnn that the trip to ukraine he's doing as the president's private lawyer. not connected to the campaign or anything. and his effort is to essentially help the president's image in the post-mueller era we're living in. and rudy giuliani says that he's not, again, representing the campaign, but this is raising a lot of questions of course because a part of his reason for going there is to look deeper into this question about whether or not joe biden and his son, who was on the board of this
ukrainian company that was under investigation, if there is any sort of connection there and clearly a lot of democrats aren't buying it. >> so he told you, quote, i don't want any favors. i just want this investigated. my question is how do you show up as essentially the president's spokesperson and that not carry a lot of weight? >> reporter: you're absolutely right. and this is way that people in ukraine and of course here in the united states fear that giuliani's involvement in this story is going to look. that is how he will be perceived, as a representative of the president. of course, we know, brooke, that rudy giuliani speaks with the president again at his personal lawyer pretty frequently. he's in the inner circle. so the optics of this clearly don't look great for rudy giuliani. but' peers to be moving forward. there is a question about whether or not he's actually going to have a meeting with the president-elect of ukraine who takes office at the beginning of
june. >> are there any official meetings or did he tell you about his plans as he's over there? >> reporter: he sort of reticent about telling me or anybody else exactly what he's doing. he said there are no plans confirmed to meet with zellin ski, that is the incoming president of ukraine. but he has been in touch over the last several months with several current and former ukrainian officials over skype and including one meeting he had with the current prosecutor general of ukraine in new york. it stands to reason he may try to meet those folks while in ukraine as well. >> zellinski, the new reality tv show comedian turned president of ukraine. just reminding everyone so we're all on the same page. michael warren, thank you. >> thanks, brook. coming up next, the mother who warned a colorado school about another columbine as the campus is speaking out about its campus -- speaking out to cnn. hear how the school is
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she was afraid of another columbine and that woman who said that she is that anonymous parent is talking to cnn. she still wants to remain anonymous because of the fear of retaliation but she has a student in the school and she knew details about the allegations. >> it looked like to me that there were potential for having another arapaho or columbine shooting. and that i was seriously concerned about it. when you mix not reaching out, when you mix a pressure cooker environment where students are stressed out and overworked and they don't get enough sleep and they feel suicidal or they feel aggressive towards one another and are not being disciplined for it, when you don't listen to parents concerns and you don't support teachers concerns, when you don't give teachers the kind of training that they need or the support that they need, those are the elements that we
need for the perfect storm for something like a columbine or some kind of imminent threat to our children's safety in this school, whether it be a bomb or an active shooter or a suicide. >> the school's executive director through a public relations firm told cnn the school found no allegations to support the parent saying in a statement, like any school with more than 1800 students we receive complaints all of which we take seriously and investigative promptly. jesse webber is a attorney and host with law and crime network. so nice to have you here. >> thank you for having me. >> you heard this mother. what is the school's liability? >> it is an interesting question, isn't it. because you would imagine any time there is a shooting, especially given parkland and sandy hook and virginia tech and column -- columbine, but that is not the case, the school
districts get a certain amount of immunity. someone would have to show the school failed to take reasonable measures and the example is they would have known or should have known that a threat or attack was imminent. we saw in indiana where school teachers knew about a threat and didn't tell the administrators and there was a shooting. that is a classic example. here what she's alleging is problems in schools that it is pretty serious. but the question is how is it tied to those individual shooters. how would they know to protect against those individual shooters. and the more they could show that and we've heard reports that at least one of the shooters was bullying and making threats so the more they could show that, they could show the school should have done more. >> and as far as the suspects are concerned, the hearing was supposed to be this afternoon and pushed to next week and one of the suspects is a minor. in what situation would that suspect be charged as an adult? >> in colorado it is all up to the prosecutor.
wouldn't even need a judge's approval to get it done. but charging a juvenile as an adult is not an easy question. there are factors to be considered on top of the fact time-wise. >> like what? >> age is a consideration. how culpable was he in relation to the other shooters and do they have a past. consider if they charge that shooter as -- that suspect as a adult, they could immediately appeal that. that could take time do. we want to see this drawn out. now the thing is if they are charged as an adult, that goes to the district court level and that is a totally different animal than in the juvenile system. there is a lot of consideration but at the end of the day you have two suspects who may at the end of the day may have pointed the finger at one another. >> and you have mother this week on mother's day who lost her child who was trying and did save others. thank you so much. we'll watch for that hearing next week. meantime, now senator elizabeth warren is speaking to a crowd at ohio about the latest plan rolled out today, involving
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does this policy fit into her image of helping the little guy and not big business? >> absolutely. her -- all 12 of the policies if you break them down, it is a battle between what she calls the goldman sachs guys, big corporate america, big pharma is one of her nem sis and how to help the little guy, how to help the middle class. >> you write that warren's policy proposals have become her brand. but i want you to listen. i love hearing voters. so these are a bunch of voters that my colleague alisyn camerota spoke to, d.c. voters in pennsylvania. >> if the election were held today, who would you vote for? >> elizabeth warren. without question. she has policy plans, she knows what she's doing and where she wants to go. she has a bold vision for the future and she wants to bring all of us with. >> i like elizabeth warren, i think elizabeth warren is probably the smartest. but i'm going with who i think in the long run will present a vision. >> i will vote for her as well.
although i love her -- elizabeth warren's ideas. >> and why do you like kamala harris more than elizabeth warren. >> i think she represents something else. she's not the typical white woman like elizabeth. >> so i think this is really fascinating. because you hear all of the voters and they praise her smarts and her policies, but they're saying they don't want to vote for her and i'm wondering in this age of trump, is personality and elect ability more important. >> absolutely. that is the major question we're trying to answer in this piece. electality is what democrats just put at the top of the list. and i spoke to so many voters who said that. they said i really like elizabeth and i like kamala -- but -- the quote is if it takes white dudes to get this guy out of the white house then we'll take him and that is just the sentiment that you hear across the board from democrats right now. >> another sentiment is that she has this reputation from afar if you haven't met of her a school
marmy, and as you talk to voters who represent her, she stops and takes a selfie with every person along the rope line and they have a different perception of her. >> it was so impressive. she stayed for didn't hour -- for an hour after every speech and she had her arm around people and warm and funny. she doesn't get a reputation for that but in real life i found her to be goofy. she is making references just like comfortable and had her feet up on the chair. was a different kind of person than the wonky harvard professor that people imagine. >> haley edwards, thank you for the cover piece and good luck. >> thank you. >> right now china is threatening to retaliate after a critical trade meeting with the trump administration and how it ended with no agreement. details on the massive increase in tariffs that is about to kick in and how you could end up footing the bill. ♪ ♪
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campaign finance violations tied to the 2012 obama re-election campaign. cnn cara skinnel is with me with the details. so cara, what do you know. >> so just a little while ago the former founder of the fujis was in court here in washington and pleaded not guilty to four criminal charges. one count of conspiracy, one count of making false statements and two counts of falsifying records. now michelle is charged in connection with donations that he had made to pro-obama campaign pacs in 2012 without disclosing that the original source of a fund came from a non-u.s. citizen, joe lowe, a malaysian biz business man. he is caught up with someone who was charged last year in a $5 billion embezzlement scheme from -- stealing money from an asian fund. he pled not guilty and released
on bond and can travel to his homes in california and florida. now his lawyer barry pollock issued a statement that i will read. he said that mr. michelle is extremely disappointed that so many years after the fact that the government would bring charges related to 2012 campaign contributions. mr. mitch el is innocent and looks forward to having the case heard by a jury. now there is no further details of when the next steps in this case will be. but certainly a big mark here against the former founder of the fujis and just reveals that there is a lot more potential criminal issues that he might be facing in the coming months. brooke. >> you'll be looking into it. cara, thank you very much. from d.c. and now to one of my favorite people, dr. gut -- dr. sanjay gupta. and his series across the world to find the secrets to living better for the mind, body and soul and tomorrow night's episode takes on italy to find out how a country known for
vices like smoking and drinking is actually one of the healthiest in the world. [ speaking foreign language ] >> on the menu, the prized family recipe. mina strewny soup. so let me ask all of you, what do you think the secret is to a long life? [ speaking foreign language ] >> what do you think? [ speaking foreign language ] dr. gupta with me now.
>> fake love. >> he gets into italy. okay. you think of what italians -- the food, the love, but is that really part of the special sauce that makes for a longer life? >> you know, it's interesting because as you said they are known for eating a lot, known for smoking. they are not known for exercise and they are one of the healthiest countries in the world. food is not the same everywhere you go around the world. that's the important thing. you can eat the exact same food here in the united states, pasta, salad, meat, whatever it might be, that food in italy and it's different food. there's less processing, these ingredients added to the food. less corn syrup. there's things we do to have a longer shelf life and be mass distributed. they have pushed back against that. yes, they eat a lot but the nature of the food is so different. >> but why is it not the same when i go out and eat my pasta? to your point about the stuff
that's in it here versus italy, it's just totally different? >> yeah. there was a fascinating study looking at the corn content in your hair. people eat the same exact food in the united states, move to italy for a year and the amount of corn in their hair decreased because of corn syrup. everything has corn syrup. there's lots of ingredients we're adding to food that makes it easier to distribute, but obviously not as healthy. >> give me another tease so we all tune in for this episode. what else did you find? >> one of the things among kids, because every country worries about the impending obesity epidemic. i found it interesting how much of a focus they have on school lunches. school lunches are a point of much discussion in the united states, but not really something that's thought of as an opportunity to not only provide fresh produce and things like that but also teach kids about how to cook, about the quality of food and how they're fueling their bodies. it's something that is necessary but not really a big part of the
curriculum here. in italy it's huge because they're worrying like every other developed country about where the obesity epidemic is going. the biggest thing is the social stuff in italy. intergenerational families. you go to sardinia, grandparents, parents, kids all living together. i think that's part of what makes them some of the healthiest people in the world. >> i think that's part of it too. i mean i love you, mom -- >> maybe not right away after you're married. >> dr. gupta, thank you very much. the series is called "chasing life with dr. sanjay gupta." it airs at 9:00 tomorrow night. democrats taking a more aggressive approach to their subpoena fight with the trump administration, now threatening to hold several contempt votes at the same time.
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