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remember it. remember to use it. this will be my clarion call to you during this election. it's all about you. you get what you want in a democracy. that's why mitch mcconnell is able to play the game, because he is kept a player in it. thank you for watching. "cnn tonight" with the one and only d. lemon starts now. >> only what you're allowing them to be. you're so right, but you know what, the folks who are sitting at home and allowing it to happen, who say it's okay and people have trump derangement syndrome if they actually call out things that the president does or things in the congress, people in the congress do or in the senate, you're going to get your comeuppance when there is a democratic nation, a democratic senate and a democratic congress. it will happen. it will happen in probably most of our lifetime. and you will complain about the rule of law.
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democrats will see what's happening now as a precedent that's already set and they, too, will think that they can run roughshod over the rule of law, and so then what do you have? what recourse do you have? they're going to say donald trump did it. you let him do it, the senate let him do it. when you had a republican congress, you let him do it. the folks in the white house let him do it so we're going to let our guy do it. and you're going to sit at home and you're going to be pissed and you're going to yell and drink and eat too much and drown your sorrowsorrows, then there' nothing and our country will be just as you-know-what as it is now. you better start calling the folks out or your turn is coming. >> enough about you, don. >> no, no, i know what you're saying. this isn't about me. this is not about me. >> that is exactly you. >> i sit there and watch it all the time because look what happened with the nuclear option. >> that's exactly right. harry reed.
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>> it came back to bite democrats in the butt. >> we'll save the biggest disappointment, and mitch mcconnell said don't do this, you're going to regret it. again, the game exists but it is not controlled by the people who pl play it. i think people misconceive that. but when people talk about trump derangement syndrome, i understand those who accuse people of it. what they're saying, at least in my life, is, don't you see what i hate? don't you see what they do to people like me? and he says he's going to fight against it. you have to be careful not to throw the baby out with the bathwater. you've got to be important with that. mitch mcconnell, i know people are outraged by what he said. hey, that's what you allow the game to be. >> well, that's what happens. as you said, elections have
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consequences. but i actually think trump derangement syndrome is on the other side. >> how many people in your life do you have that are real conservatives? i have people that are like real conservatives, real catholics. he represents things that they hate. but they're owning him right now why? because of the alternative. that's what they say all the time, yeah, but it's better than. it's moral relativism for people. i hope it happens and we'll swing at them like a pinata. >> i wish it didn't have to happen. but i'm going to sit here and say, well, you let it happen. >> if this president doesn't win, or if after his administration, you have a democrat in there who will say, i'll tell you what i'm declaring in an emergency. gun violence. you have to attack it. >> that's going to be a national emergency. >> they're all emergency situations but they don't fit under that law.
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>> thank you, chris. >> can't wait to see the rest of your show. >> you got to stay tuned for the part about the pulitzer and aretha franklin. it was a real, real treat. we were all shocked today when this person came out. >> come for the suits, stay for the show. >> see you, sir. i'll talk to you later. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. we have a lot to talk about. the kind of people the president sides with, the kind of people he thinks are his enemies. because what he is doing is absolutely outrageous, okay in there are no two ways about it, not even going to try to pretend otherwise. it's absolutely outrageous and i'll give you some evidence to back it up. we have to talk about this president siding with a murderous dictator. not for the first time. and this one is over a former vice president who served this country honorably. apparently this president is terrified, terrified of running against joe biden.
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why else would he, in the middle of a state visit to japan, when any other president would be trying to defend america's interests, why would he attack joe biden with his own tweet calling him low i.q. why would he do that? making matters worse tonight by saying he was being nice to biden by calling him a low i.q. individual instead of a low i.q. idiot. biden himself would say, come on, man. he has too much class to say anything else. there is literally no possibility that anybody could miss the insult in all of this. a gleeful and childish insult against the candidate he seems to fear the most, even though his own aides have, according to the "new york times," pleaded with the president to ignore the former vice president. biden's campaign calls trump's comments beneath the dignity of the office. and they're right. but there is so much more.
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and i repeat. so much more. and all of this happened while the president was on a state visit to japan, while he was downplaying the fact that north korea has test-fired short-range ballistic missiles, missiles that a u.s. government reports notes pyongyang is trying to fit with nuclear warheads, violating u.n. security council res lig resolutio resolutions. and all of that apparently just fine with the president as long as kim jong-un is on his side. >> you tweeted about north korea yesterday. do you believe that they violated u.n. resolutions with the short-range missile laurcnc and does it give you pause at all to be appearing to side with a brutal dictator instead of a fellow american, the fomrmer vie president joe biden? >> kim jong-un made a statement that joe biden is a low i.q.
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individual. he probably is based on his record. i think i agree with him on that. but at the same time, my people think it could have been a violation, as you know. i view it differently. >> he sure does view it differently. go right ahead, kim jong-un. launch all the missiles you want as long as you keep slamming my opponent. the enemy of my enemy is my friend. let's remember exactly how murderous -- murderous -- kim jong-un is, just in case you forgot or are condoning this sort of behavior. kim jong-un starved his own people. he executed his own family members. and let's remember that he is responsible for the brutal death of american student otto warmbier even though this president was perfectly willing to take the dictator's word on that one, too, his word that he had no idea what happened to the
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22-year-old american who was in prison in north korea for 17 months. >> he felt badly about it. i did speak to him. he felt very badly. he knew the case very well, but he knew it later. you know, you got a lot of people. it's a big country. a lot of people. and in those prisons and those camps, you have a lot of people, and some really bad things happened to otto, some real estate, real -- really, really things, but he tells me he doesn't know about it and i will take him at his word. >> terrible. this president is awfully willing to take the word of a strong man over his own people. let's not forget helsinke, july 2018. when president trump stood next to lad mivladimir putin and sai didn't see any reason russia
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would interfere in our election, taking the russian president's word over his own intelligence chiefs'. >> my people came to me, dan coates came to me, and he said it's russia. president putin said it's not russia. i'll say this, i don't see any reason why it would be. >> let's remember the crown prince of saudi arabia now. the man behind the vicious murder of "washington post" journali journalist jamal khashoggi. our president refused to believe that and sided with saudis again and again. >> i spoke with the crown prince yesterday, and he strongly said he had nothing to do with this.
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he's got many people now who say he had no knowledge. he told me that he had nothing to do with it. saudi arabia, if we broke with them, i think your oil prices would go through the roof. we have a very strong ally in saudi arabia. we have an ally that said they did not commit, at the top level, the crown prince, the king, they did not commit this atrocity. >> yes, those are the president's friends. his perceived enemies? well, they include the former vice president of the united states, the former director of the fbi, james comey. the man he fired because he was doing his job investigating whether russia was defying our dpo democracy in the 2016 election. here is the quote from the "washington post."
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it says, the president is a liar who doesn't care what damage he does to vital institutions. we must call out his lies, that the fbi was corrupt and committed treason, that we spied on the trump campaign and tried to defeat donald trump. we must constantly return to the stubborn facts. there was no corruption. there was no treason. there was no attempted coup. those are lies and dumb lies at th that. those were just dumb people trying to figure out what was true under unprecedented circumstances. yes, those are very strong words, but for this president nothing matters more than winning. and the conventional wisdom is, if americans are satisfied with the economy, happy with their paychecks, the president will win reelection.
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is that you? could that be you? this president siding with brutal dictators but happy with the economy, you're happy with your paycheck, so it doesn't matter what he does? you know what they say. it's the economy, stupid. that can be read in a number of different ways. it's the economy, stupid. know what i mean? but what if the conventional wisdom is wrong? what if in the contest between money and morals, money doesn't talk. we are starting to see evidence that a lot of voters are driven more by their views about race and gender than their pocketbooks, thank goodness.
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we're going to talk more about that in a moment. but what if that does hold true at the ballot box this time? then what? this president seems to be obsessed with attacking joe biden. but is all of this actually helping biden's campaign ? that's a question for mr. frank bruni, ms. dan a bash and ms. kirsten powers. next. with va video connect, powered by t-mobile, vets can speak to their doctors from virtually anywhere, and get the care they deserve, without it counting against their data, so they can return to their most important post. soulmate, best friend, or just dad. the va provides the care, t-mobile provides the coverage. sir, you're a broker. what do you charge for online equity trades?
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with all the democrats running for president, it looks like joe biden is the one president trump fears the most. at least, that's what it looks like with all the insults he's hurling at the vice president. let's bring in dana bash, kirsten powers, good having you all on. dan kirsten, i'm going to start with you. biden is saying it's beneath the dignity of the office to respond. what should americans make of this feud? >> well, let's just state -- never mind whether or not it's appropriate, obviously it's flatly inappropriate for any president to be siding with a murderer's dictator over any american. just on the raw politics of trump versus biden, don, my reporting is that -- this is not going to shock you -- this is not some grand trump campaign
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strategy. this is the president going with his gut, that he's worried about joe biden, that he thinks that joe biden is probably inevitable as his opponent, and so he might as well start taking him down a notch now. but if you think about, again, if you look at if it really was a strategy, he would be trying to elevate, because that's what he's doing with joe biden, elevate people who he might find as, you know, democratic opponents easier to beat. that's not the case here. and this is not something that is necessarily a plus. people who i'm talking to in the trump political world, they don't think it's a plus at all. they think it's mostly a negative, what he's doing. >> so even though president trump is continuing to poke at joe biden, trump sent at least a dozen tweets on bind. obsessing here?
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>> he does seem a little obsessed with him. the odd thing is he's doing thim -- him a great favor. joe biden has not been out on the campaign trail much. because donald trump is tweeting about him, is doing these things that make trump himself -- he's giving joe biden headlines, he's making joe biden a big story, he's making joe biden look big by being so small and joe biden doesn't have to lift a finger. he just has to occasionally release a statement kind of indicating the disapproval of what trump is doing that most americans instinctively feel. dana is right, this is no strategy. this is a very small-minded president who gets obsessed with people, let's things get under his skin, and he's telling the world, i fear biden the most. if you're a democratic voter, you'll look at that and say, oh, maybe i should side with joe
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biden. he's not accomplishing anything here. >> kirsten, let's just imagine, if you will, that you're simone sanders or whatever -- i'm joking. you're kirsten powers and you're on team biden. you got to be loving the attention from this president, right? do you think it only helps biden? >> definitely for the reasons that frank just outlined, but also because it gives biden the opportunity to do the contrast that he wants to do. this is exactly how he wants to be contrasted with donald trump. he wants to be the person who is the statesman, the person who is bringing a sense of morality and decency back to the presidency. so it gives him an opportunity to kind of rise above it in the way that he also waited to criticize the president until he was back on american soil going back to this what now seems like a very old-fashioned way of doing politics where you aren't criticizing your opponents, or at least attacking your opponents on foreign soil. so i think it gave him a good opportunity to contrast himself
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with donald trump. >> so i guess if you're biden, kirsten, do you want to do anything, or do you just let this ride for a while until you really have to get out there on the campaign trail? >> well, i think it would be better for him to be out there a little more than he is, but it's still very, very early, and i don't think -- i suppose if you're on his campaign, you might be thinking the less he's out there, the less likely he's going to make a gaffe or say something problematic -- >> can i jump in here right now? >> yeah. >> i hear that whole gaffe thing, and i know what everyone means by that, but aren't we in a gaffe-free zone considering the person we have in office right now? you can say anything you want right now, but joe biden is going to make a gaffe? have you seen what comes from donald trump's fingers? >> i think democrats hold their
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candidates to a different standard. i don't think they're willing to overlook that clearly republican voters are willing to overlook. that said, i think we have shifted into a different kind of era and biden will get away with a lot more than he used to because democrats are being so me mercenary, frankly, of who they want to choose. so the biggest thing biden has to do is prove he can beat donald trump, and there is going to be a lot of grace for gaffes and other things if they really think he's the guy that can beat him. >> do you think they learn, dana, about al franken if they look at after al franken? you look at the president in office now, you look at folks who were accused of similar things, and he's still there. >> i think this is a different situation. this is a much more global kind of meta question.
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this is about donald trump. this is about, as kirsten just laid out, beating donald trump, and who is the best person to do that? and poll after poll at this point of democratic primary and caucus voters say that they -- that is the number one standard by which they are going to choose who their nominee is. >> listen, frank, i've got to ask you, we talked about this, too, and talk about hypocrisy. this is mitch mcconnell when he infuriated democrats. he said he would pick a supreme court justice if he died. >> should a supreme court justice die next year, what would you do? >> we would fill it. >> he would block measublocked n 2016.
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listen to what he said in 2016 and then we can talk about it. >> the next justice could fundamentally alter the direction of the supreme court and have a profound impact on our country. so, of course, of course, the american people should have a say in the court's direction. it is the president's constitutional right to nominate a supreme court justice, and it is the senate's constitutional right to act as a check on a president and withhold its consent. >> he believed that when it was advantageous to republicans, and he won't believe it when that's advantageous. this is rank partisanship of the most bald kind. >> it doesn't matter, the sound bite is there. he said it, but they just say different stuff. go on, dana, sorry. >> yeah, it doesn't matter anymore, but particularly on this issue, particularly with mitch mcconnell. i've covered him for many, many
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years. he is so singularly focused on the bench, on the federal judiciary. obviously the supreme court is the creme de la creme. you don't say his name anymore, he worked with don mcgahn for the first two years very, very aggressively to fill that federal bench. he's so focused on that, and he is running for reelection in kentucky where the president is incredibly popular, more popular, probably, than when he won in 2016, so he doesn't have any political problem at home. in fact, just the opposite. they don't care about the hypocrisy, they're applauding the notion of potentially putting a conservative in if he has the opportunity no matter how contradictory or hypocritical it is to what he did before, and that is classic, classic mcconnell. his eye is on the ball there. >> thank you, dana, thank you, kirsten, thank you, frank.
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appreciate it. he's stepping up the attacks on trump. he says trump would prefer what he called an aryan nation. i'm going to talk to bill well, former governor of massachusetts about that. more, next.
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bill weld is the lone republican taking on president trump in the 2020 primary, and he's telling an audience that the president would prefer an aryan nation. it's not clear if he was referring to the neo-nazi group, but he later told the news that he would prefer a nation with aryans. bill weld joins me now so answer that question and many more. thank you, governor, a pleasure having you on with us. >> a pleasure being on with you. >> you said trump would prefer an aryan nation. what did you mean by that? >> a nation with no immigrants whatsoever. it's been clear since he started his campaign, he was basing it on starting up vitriol and
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hatred. it started with muslims and the mexican wall and the border. his campaign in 2016, in my opinion, was a series of dog whistles, and that dog whistle about the wall, trump voters or workers who have economic insecurity, you should be with me on the wall and hating immigrants, because if you don't, some brown person may come across that border with mexico and take your job. i think that was the intended echo of his immigration policy. >> well, people often say -- >> cynical, but that's it. >> so when you say things like what you say, and people who call the president's actions and words racist, they'll say, well, where is the evidence? what's the evidence that the president only wants -- the evidence is right in front of your face, no? >> the evidence is everything he says, are you kidding me? >> so you decided to challenge this president for the republican nomination out of a fear -- this is a quote -- fear
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for the republic if he wins reelection. are other republicans thinking the same thing and just not willing to say it out loud? >> oh, yeah. no, that's the case. i know a lot of the senior republican senators, and some of them will say to you off the record, you know, there is nothing to be done now. we can't rock the boat right now, we'll get massacred, so we just can't do it. but we're with you, kid, stick with it all the way. we admire what you're doing. i hear quite a bit of that. >> doesn't that kind of tick you off, because you're the one sticking your neck out there, you're the one being bold and challenging this president, and challenging people who are defying a rule of law and setting up alternative facts and alternative realities. that doesn't tick you off that they say, you go out there, kid, and do it, but we're not going to say anything, we're just going to be comfortable. >> i invited others to come in. if other republicans got in, it might seem like more of a
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primary and others might take longer look. but until then, i'm very happy to go about my business which is, frankly, trying to persuade people that the president is not doing his job, that, you know, we have to cut spending as well as cutting taxes, which i did. that we have to plan ahead for all the 15% of the jobs in the united states that are going to be lost in the next 10 or 15 years because of advances in technology like robotics and artificial intelligence and self-driving vehicles. no one is worrying about that in washington, d.c., and they should be, and i've developed a plan for that. it's my job to persuade people that climate change is not a hoax and that's not a very difficult job, frankly, when people look at the polar ice cap melting which is going to completely rearrange all of our shorelines. so, you know,' spe i've spent a of time arguing in court, and i enjoy the process of trying to persuade people of things. i think i have an easy job over the intermediate haul, i
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honestly do. and that election is almost 18 months away. >> a lot of republicans consider themselves never trumpers, but now you're the only republican willing to challenge this president in the primary. and representative justin amash is the only republican pushing fo for his impeachment. where are those other republicans now? >> i think a lot of people agree with me and congressman amash whose statement i totally applaud, that the president committed obstruction of justice. if you read the mueller report, and bob mueller was my deputy in the justice department. i know him well, he's the straightest guy i ever met, and he has eight or ten examples of the president committing obstruction of justice in volume 2 of his report by trying to shut down the investigation, get mueller fired, get his top
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national security people to lie, get his top intelligence officials to lie up to and including dan coats. trying to get don mcgahn to lie, who is the president's chief lawyer. and they've all said to him, mr. president, i can't do that because that's not true. he essentially came back at him saying, what's your point? this guy is a stranger to the truth. i won't even say a loose man with the truth. a broken clock is right about twice a day, and so is the president. he doesn't know when the curtain is down and when the curtain is up and when he's on stage and when he's not because he's so obsessed with himself and has such a need for people to praise him. i don't know what it is, but i wouldn't want his demons. >> listen, governor, we appreciate your candor. we love having people come on and tell their truth and aren't afraid to fight the powers that be, so we thank you and we invite you back any time. thank you so much. >> great, don.
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many thanks. the former fbi director james comey is slamming the president's comments, accusing fbi investigators of committing treason, calling them lies and dumb lies at that. democratic candidates eric swalwell joins me next. eric swalwell joins me next. when you shop for your home at wayfair, you get more than free shipping. you get everything you need for your home at a great price, the way it works best for you, i'll take that. wait honey, no. when you want it. you get a delivery experience you can always count on. you get your perfect find at a price to match,
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former fbi director james comey calling out the president tonight for attacking the fbi and its investigations into trump's 2016 campaign. comey calls the president's accusations of treason and a coup simply, quote, dumb lies in a "washington post" op-ed. but attorney general bill barr is now investigating the beginning of the russia investigation. democratic congressman eric swalwell joins me now. he sits on the education committees. he's also a 2020 presidential candidate. good to have you, sir. >> thanks for having me back.
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>> let's talk about the quote from comey. here's what he writes, in part. go ahead and investigate the investigators, if you must. when those investigations are over, they will find the work was done appropriately and focused only on discerning the truth of very serious allegations. there was no corruption, there was no treason, there was no attempted coup. those are lies and ducmb lies a that. is this investigation into the investigators, does it bring more transparency, and if it does, is that a good thing? >> no, it makes us less safe, don, because if you're an fbi agent right now and you've been passed a tip about a potential threat to our democracy, with this president threatening investigations against the fbi, do you think that agent is going to go out and investigate? no. and when you see the president's lawyer rudy giuliani meeting with the ukranians to get dirt on potential opponents, you're just going to let that go because you don't want this president to shine that light on you. here's what we can do, though. i think the judiciary committee should move on attorney general
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barr and impeach the attorney general. he's a front door obstructor. he's not being paid by donald trump, he's being paid by us. he's the taxpayers' attorney, and the first thing we should do is set the example that a lawless attorney general will be held accountable. second, i have legislation that will address what director comey put out. it's called duty to report. crazy idea that if you're on a campaign and a russian approaches you with dirt on your opponent, you have to tell the fbi. all of this could have been avoided if these jokers told the fbi rather than make the fbi do all this work. >> wouldn't folks know that, anyone who is running a campaign would know if someone from a hostile enemy or hostile nation says they have dirt on an opponent, that you should turn them over to law enforcement or you shouldn't meet with them? that's common sense. >> of course they would know it, but there would at least be a crime for not doing it. and part of the problem was that prior congresses never imagined
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that people would so betray their country the way the trump team did, but now we should have ways to hold them accountable. >> i want to get this in while i have you here. this is your republican colleague jus taktin amash. hear what he said earlier tonight. >> robert mueller very clearly identifies and analyzes a number of instances, several instances, of obstruction of justice. he really left it to congress to come to a determination on these issues. it's really important that we do our job as a congress, that we not allow misconduct to go undeterred, that we not just say someone can buy the public trust and that there are no consequences to it. >> he seems to be making a case for impeachment stronger than many of your democratic
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colleagues. does he have a point, though, by holding off impeachment? are democrats allowing the president to get away with obstruction of justice? >> that's the fear. not only does he get away with it, but future presidents see the bar being lowered. i admire jus taktin amash great but why is he alone? why aren't there other republicans saying this is lawless, it doesn't matter what party you're in. people say you're putting party over country. i used to think that, too. they're putting their job over their country. they're afraid if they speak out, they're going to get primaried, but that's crazy because you would think people in congress could get other jobs. that's wrong but they're thinking about their own damn jobs. >> what are you hearing on the trail tonight? >> what am i hearing what? >> out on the trail tonight. >> oh, thanks for asking. i'm in houston on a gun violence tour of the country.
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not just the schools and churches who have had gun violence, but i've been in chicago and baltimore and philadelphia and indianapolis and now in houston. i'm hearing all this talk about the crime bill in '94, people want to talk about the crime that's happening now because we failed to address gun violence in our communities, we failed to invest in people. they don't want a crime bill, they want a hope bill, and make sure that you have jobs and education and health care in these communities and give people hope. i had a gun violence roundtable today. i'm going to do the same thing tomorrow in houston and we're going to roll out some initiatives on what we can do. >> congressman swalwell, always a pleasure. thank you, sir. >> my pleasure. thanks, don. we'll be right back. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪
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so far this year, 11 people have died while climbing mt. everest. at just over 29,000 feet, it is the highest peak on earth. let's discuss now. joining me from skype is woody hartman who reached the summit just last week. woody, i'm so glad you joined us. as you said, you summited the mountain on may 23rd at the very time these tragedies were happening. you say yur experience. what happened? >> yeah. i like many fellow climbers left at about 7:30 p.m. from camp on the edge of the death zone. at 7:30 p.m. on may 22nd. really trying to squeeze my summit bid into a very small weather window this year. looked like the winds and other
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weather conditions were going to be esatisfactory up there. however almost immediately after leaving camp i inkourpted what has been so famous, which is a huge cue of other climbers that were going to jam into the very small weather window. of course it was a lot tough. we're stuck on one safety line trying to get it to the top of the mountain. i'm sooing really tragic things. just the last day or two, still which is attached. as i was climbing up i sooj came
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to realize particulate of it was being caused by other climbers that were being dragged back down the mountain. lost consciousness. >> maybe you could end up like them. >> absolutely. a survival mode instinct in everyone. especially that last day knowing it's dangerous and you could die. but to see death all around you and people collapsing all around you, in some cases wearing similar outfits to what you have on, it's shocking and jarring and i think takes a lot of
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fortitude for anyone to put their head down and continue towards this goal that starts to be in question. >> did you ever think of turning around? is that possible? >> i can considered it. but i felt very fortunate to feel strong. i was well fuelled, had enough energy and so for -- there was no time in which i really thought i personally had to turn around. there wrur many times in which i offered, especially for the people being pulled down f there was anything i could do to help because i was happy it to pause or wait give them water or food or something if that could have been helpful but most of them needed to get down as fast as possible. >> i want to put the picture of of the one that went viral. it looks like rush hour up there and people think of mt. everest as the insurmountable obstacle.
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do you think there are too many people trying to make the climb? >> i think there are too many people on a handful of days trying to make the climb? absolutely. i don't know the exact number from this year but about 600 or maybe all ittal bit more people summited mt. everest. that's probably the amount for the entire year and that's not that many if you distribute it like a normal year. what was so tragic is it looks like only two or three good days of weather to get all of those people to the summit and that created those super unsafe conditions. the fact there's no one -- no formal coordination between the guiding companies to actually see who's accepteding people up when to make sure we don't end up with this convergence of of everyo everyone trueing to get there that same time, really eshould be fixed in the future. >> i'm sure they'll be looking
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into exactly what happened maybe the government will limit climbs or what have you. but for you as a climber, i'm sure you were can concerned. i asked if you thought you could end up like those foks. you said this incredible instinct to survive kicked in. but did you ever thing i might not make it? and how is your health? >> before i left on this trip i contemplated the possibility of my edeath and was prepared for it. as crazy as that sounds i made my first will, i wrote a letter left on my desk at home i left to all my loved ones. when you're actually face death in the moment, it's completely different and yes i was changed
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by that evening and i'm sure i will continue to process it for months. i hope to take away something positive which is all our time on this earth is limited and i'm going to make the most of it, which may mean climbing more mountains too. >> i'm glad you're okay. we appreciate your time. >> thanks for having me. >> we'll be right back. allergies with sinus congestion and pressure?
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