but we can't be sure because there's still a problem with prosecutions that produce wrong outcomes, especially when we're talking about black and brown young men. the president says he's all about law and order. that's why i make this argument. so he's all about law and order but he's going to cling to a proven injustice. and while the case against the prosecutors for prejudice was hard to may, it was never made, they settled the case, the one against the man who is now president was made by his own words. in this op-ed in 2014, the man who would eventually be president actually wrote that even if they didn't do this they didn't have the past of angels. that is as a matter of fact prejudice. and so, on this day, the president relaunches his pursuit of office. he doubles down on this erroneous sense of justice. he won't admit he was wrong about the central park 5 despite the facts. as we prepare to pick a new set of leaders, it's not just what the candidates say and do now that matters. character is formed over time.

as clear as it is that this president was wrong about the central park 5 and his clinging to belief reflects a prejudice against them it's clear he never learned if his mistakes. strong and wrong is a dangerous combination and one we see from this president back then and today. thank you for watching. "cnn tonight" with d-lemon right now. he always gives -- it's interesting bhoe gives the benefit of the doubt to and whoa doesn't. do you ever notice a pattern? >> starts with himself. i'll give you that much. >> he wants to give the benefit of the doubt to everyone connected with him who is charged with something, facing a crime, facing a prison sentence, facing jail time, they're a good person. my son's a good person, whatever. but whenever it comes to usually a black or brown person he doesn't give them the benefit of the doubt even if the evidence is overwhelming that the central park 5 did not do what donald trump would like for them to have done, what he said they did. the law -- and under the law and in the courts they were found --

they were acquitted. initially found -- >> their original confessions were vacated. >> vacated. someone else confessed. the dna evidence shows it. what else do you have to prove? even if there was video tape he would say what you're seeing and what you're hearing is not what's happening. so you know, it's just -- it's infuriating to even discuss -- >> but instructive. but instructive because -- >> you've got to keep doing it. i know. >> that 2016 election, forget about what's calling out what's wrong. the 2016 election wasn't the definitional one. he was change. that was revulsion against the machine. that was disruption. that was disaffection and outrage and him connecting with it in a way that his opponent did not. this is the definitional election. this is the one that will be a precipice of history. because this country is going to decide who it is and what it is in a way that it has never done in my lifetime. >> and who we are as a people. >> and who we are not. >> who we're not as a people.

but we also have to -- i think there's a lesson in it for all of us. if you are a trump supporter do you continue to fall for the okey-doke? do you continue to use as an excuse that everyone is out to get him and everyone else is wrong and he's always right and you're right and there is no compromise on that side? if you're in the news media, the jobs we are, do we continue to allow space for propaganda and lies that we have to go back and correct and it's futile when you have to go back and correct it because the lie's already out there and the damage has already been done? or have we learned from that from 2016? will with continue to do the same thing? and if you're a person who doesn't support this president, are you going to understand -- do you understand what it is you that didn't pay attention to in 2016? if you didn't go to the polls and vote. if you thought elections don't have consequences. if you thought that hey, this person is speaking the truth or they're not going to do everything that they said. you're right.

this is going to be the pivotal election. i think there is -- i hate this this is a teachable moment. but i think there is some learning in there for every single person regardless of what side you're on and what profession. >> i think you're going to see correction and i think you're going to see overcorrection. we see it in most social movements. that when there is an appetite for change often you go too far in that direction. the idea of what you have on tv. you go too far and censor it. because you don't like the ideas. because you think all of it is a lie. very rarely is anybody all a lie. even this president. does he lie a lot? yes. >> most of the time. >> more than anything i've ever seen. but not everything he says is a lie. >> think about the despicable people we've had in history. i'm going to use an extreme example. think about hitler. think about any of those people. would you say that that person is allowed -- let's put it this way. if you could look back in history, would you say well, i'm so glad that that person was

allowed a platform so that they could spread their hate and propaganda and lies? or would you say it probably wasn't the right thing to do to spread that because you knew in the moment that that was a bad person and they were doing bad things? not only were they hurting people, they were killing people. so i just think -- >> i think that the example matters. and that's a very extreme example. rhetoric -- -- could be a slippery slope toward violence. maybe, maybe not. >> policy and laws are detrimental to people. and for people like me, how this president feels about the central park 5 that can be a life or death issue for people like me. that can be especially a life or death issue for those people who spent decades -- a decade some of them or more in prison. they didn't have a life. he took a big part of their life away. people like him who believed it and wanted it to be true. took a part of their lives away. and for -- demonizing immigrants and talking about shithole

countries and saying there are very fine people on both sides. for people of color in this country it is a life or death issue. ask mrs. heyer, heather heyer's mother who i had on. that is a life or death issue. so i'm just saying we just need to be careful about having -- oh, this is a standard rules. this is not standard. this is not normal. >> i don't think it's standard. i don't think it's normal because he is different than what we've seen. however. we talk about this and it's good that we do. comparing anything to an extreme like a hitler, it weakens the argument. >> i think it gives you a clear example. >> because you are now take a guy who says things you don't like and comparing him to a genocidal maniac. >> i'm not comparing him to that. i'm comparing -- >> it's creating a standard. he says things i don't like. abusive of the truth. obnoxious and pander to a group of people. is not necessarily -- >> it starts with little lies.

it starts with little lies that become bigger lies. and it starts with people who become banewashed. ask anyone who had a family member who went to guyana. certainly the little things. people start to buy into. and all of a sudden you become -- it becomes reality to you. good people follow bad people. doesn't mean they're a bad person. it just means they were used. and that they were in some ways co-opted. doesn't mean they're bad people. but it starts with very little things. you take some truth and then falsity. and then you keep capitalizing on it. >> right. that's how a lot of cons work. but i'm just saying. a con, something that isn't true, versus a cult, versus ray genocidal maniac, i just think you should go one step at a time. >> well, just saying. be careful. >> absolutely. that's why we do the job. >> be careful. thank you. i'll see you next time. >> all right, buddy. >> this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. it is official. >> the president of the united states. donald j. trump.

>> there we go. president trump kicking off his 2020 reelection campaign tonight at a rally in florida. in a classic trump made for tv production designed to appeal to his base and take back the media spotlight from his democratic rivals. the president, well, he didn't disappoint. firing up his supporters, giving them the red meat they like to chew on. >> it's a movement made up of hard-working patriots who love their country, love their flag, love their children, and who believe that a nation must care for its own citizens first. this was our chance to reclaim our government. from a permanent political class that enriched itself at your expense. as i said on a wonderful beautiful day at my

inauguration, we did not merely transfer power from one party to another, but we transferred power back to you, the proud citizens of the united states of america. [ cheers and applause ] [ crowd chanting "usa" ] our radical democrat opponents are driven by hatred, prejudice and rage. they want to destroy you. and they want to destroy our country as we know it. not acceptable. it's not going to happen. [ cheers and applause ] >> hmm. well, no, he's the same old trump. meet the new trump.

the same as the old trump. slamming his adversaries including hillary clinton, barack obama, the news media. this is, by the way, the 60th rally president trump has held since taking office 2 1/2 years ago. and his supporters turned out in force. the orlando area holds 20,000 people, arena i should say, holds 20,000 people. and the giant crowd made a day of it, gathering outside the arena hours before the doors opened. the president and his team choosing florida to kick off his reelection for very specific reasons. it is his second home. as we know. when he's at mar-a-lago. and florida is a key battleground state that he must win in order to get four more years in the white house. trump has not expanded his base since taking office. his approval ratings, they're stuck in the low 40s. and that's not where a president wants to be when seeking re-election. and although the election won't be held for another year and a half, the newest quinnipiac poll just out this afternoon shows hypothetical battles in florida between trump and some of the

democratic candidates. it's not good news for the president. take a look. joe biden, the democratic front-runner, who's already gotten under president trump's skin-s beating him by nine points. bernie sanders tops trump in florida 48-42. donald trump has never had the approval of a majority of americans. we know that. and his candidacy in 2016 was roundly dismissed by many. yet he still won. there is no counting him out. certainly not based on a few early poll numbers. again, it's really early now. he also has a strong economy and a historically low unemployment rate on his side. and the enthusiasm for him that we saw from the crowd at tonightion raltonigh tonight's rally, that is real enthusiasm. but the numbers already show 2020 will not be a cakewalk for him and he is rattled by it. they show he is losing to biden and other democratic candidates in key battleground states such as pennsylvania, michigan, and wisconsin. those are really important states. if he wants to take back the white house he's going to have to win those states. he also just fired pollsters

after internal campaign numbers leaked out showing him losing to democrats. he also claims he is leading in polls in 17 swing states. but the numbers don't support that. and joe biden's already signaling that if he wins the democratic nomination he's going to fight his way across the south. >> i plan on campaigning in the south. i plan on if i'm your nominee winning georgia, north carolina, south carolina, believe it or not, and i believe we can win texas and florida. if you look at the polling data now. >> and tonight there's no doubt trump and his supporters are concerned about biden. donald trump jr. took the stage before the president. going after biden for vowing to work to find a cure for cancer if he's elected. biden's son beau lost his battle with brain cancer. but donald trump jr. ignored that fact when he mocked biden. >> if government failed you, maybe you're the problem, joe biden.

it's not rocket science. what was the good one last week? remember joe biden comes out. well, if you elect me president, i'm going to cure cancer. wow. why the hell didn't you do that over the last 50 years, joe? >> can you imagine attacking someone for wanting to dedicate even more resources to cure cancer? who does that? despite his reception tonight, president trump has his campaign work cut out for him. even in orlando. the hometown newspaper there publishing an editorial under the headline "our orlando sentinel endorsement for president in 2020," this is a quote, "not donald trump." in scathing prose the paper calls out the president's behavior saying "enough of the chaos, division, insults, corruption and lies." as he was leaving the white house for florida this afternoon

the president was asked about his actions following the central park 5 case in new york city 30 years ago. after five young men were convicted of raping a jogger in central park trump took out a full-page newspaper -- full-page newspaper ads, not just one, ads. calling for the death penalty, that read "bring back the death penalty. bring back our police." the men were later exonerated by dna evidence. but trump never apologized for the ads. here's the exchange from earlier. >> will you apologize to the central park 5? >> why do you bring that question up now? it's an interesting time to bring it up. you have people on both sides of that. they admitted their guilt. if you look at linda fairstein and if you look at some of the prosecutors, they think that the city should never have settled that case. so we'll leave it at that. >> people on both sides. where have we heard that before? people on both sides. trump's way of dismissing an issue when he doesn't want to deal with it.

just like when he didn't want to condemn white supremacists who were involved in the deadly violence in charlottesville, virginia two years ago. people on both sides. president trump going on the attack tonight against his perceived opponents and enemies and talking about his pet peeves. up next we're going to discuss and do some fact checking really with daniel dale, susan glasser, and mark caputo. don't get mad. get e*trade, dawg.

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president trump returning to his greatest hits as he kicks off his bid for a second term in florida. in a full-fledged airing of grievances the president taking aim at some of his favorite targets, the news media, hillary clinton, and especially democrats. a lot to discuss with one of the newest members of the cnn family, and that's daniel dale. also susan glasser and mark caputo. they're all here. thank you. it's good to have you on. and welcome, daniel, by the way. >> thank you. >> this is for you, mark. tonight trump talked about immigration, hillary clinton, fake news, deplorables, and maybe a new campaign but has anything actually changed? >> not really. understand that trump when he first got into office on the day of his inauguration filed for re-election. in his first campaign-style rally he had was in florida. now that he's ceremoniously kicking off his campaign he's once again back in florida. it kind of emphasizes just how important the state is personally to him. as you had mentioned he has a vekd home here. he's visited this state more than any other.

and also politically. he essentially needs florida to win in order for him to retain the white house. >> trump went much harder on hillary clinton than any other democrat. why do you think he's stuck in 2016? >> you know, it was the gratest, most beautiful moment of his life, right? and i do think it was a very nostalgic kind of a speech if you could term it that. the crowds seemed most passionate chanting "lock her up, lock her up," which of course was the refrain at the republican convention in 2016 that nominated donald trump. he used hillary clinton's name seven times i think in the first 30 minutes or so of his speech. he barely mentioned joe biden, only coming to him later in the program. trump wants to run a campaign that strikes me as not forward looking so much as backward he looking. this is like the greatest hits of donald trump. he's like a record who's stuck on the same groove. and you know, it was a very dark speech. it was almost like the live action version of american

carnage, his inauguration address. it didn't feel like a celebration of america being great again. which was the theme they were trying to roll out at the rally tonight. it felt like a warning and a very scary ominous tone to set for your reelection. in which you're supposedly claiming victory over america's problems. >> and people were applauding it. interesting. daniel, you've been live fact-checking this rally. what's your takeaway? how many lies? >> so i don't have the final count yet, but it's well over a dozen, don. this speech was riddled with false claims. just as it was greatest hits in terms of his broad rhetoric it was the greatest hits of false claims. these are all claims that have been fact-checked before on numerous occasions. i should say many of them have been fact checked before on numerous occasions. from the claim that he is the one who got the veterans choice health care program passed when barack obama was the one who signed that bill. to the claim the russia investigation was illegal. there's no evidence of that. to the claim americans are not paying his tariffs on china.

that's false. and a claim that the u.s. had never before received any revenue from tariffs from china. that's false. it was billions of dollars before the trump era. the claim that hillary clinton acidwashed her e-mails, he said that over and over again. that's simply not a thing, that's a trump invention. over and over again these are claims i fact checked 10, 15, 20, 25 times. and one other thing that was striking, don, was he again exaggerated numbers that were already good for him. we have the lowest unemployment rate since 1969. it's about 49 1/2 years. trump said the lowest unemployment rate in more than 51 years. even in these cases where the numbers are in his favor he's still not getting it right. >> daniel, he also talked about the wall. let's listen. >> we are building the wall. we're going to have over 400 miles of wall built by the end of next year. it's moving rapidly. moving very rapidly. and you know, we couldn't get the wall approved by the democrats. even though they voted for it

four years ago and six years ago and didn't get built. but they voted for it. all of a sudden trump is president we don't want a wall. >> so daniel, fact check this for me. what's the truth? what's actually being built? who voted for what? >> sure. there's a lot there. what has been built is several dozen miles of replacement fencing. that trump has made an argument in the last couple months that replacement fencing, renovation, counts as new wall because it's so much superior in his view to the old wall that we shouldn't fact check it as wrong when he says it's essentially new wall. that's subjective. but i think when we have thought of new wall in the past what we've thought of is new miles of wall-a dig additional barrier that didn't exist before because that's what he promised in his 2016 campaign. we don't have any of that to my knowledge. there is one project in texas where customs and border protection says that construction has started but when i stad them a few weeks ago whether that construction includes actual installation of wall they said no, it was

vegetation clearing and other sort of preconstruction activities. so i don't know if there's been any installation in that particular segment. but to my knowledge that is the only one where there might be even a tiny bit of wall. certainly not going up very rapidly. >> interesting. marc, let's talk more about florida. okay? not only is it a crucial swing state. it's also personal to president trump. he called it his second home tonight. explain the significance of trump choosing orlando for his campaign kickoff rally. >> well, orlando is in the heart of florida geographically and sort of politically. it's in the middle of what's called the i-4 corridor, which starts in tampa after interstate 4, runs through orlando, and goes up to daytona beach. and florida is sort of a bunch of states in one but loosely speaking the north is far more conservative than the southeast, the southwest is now becoming kind of conservative. and in the middle you have this sort of fulcrum on which the state's elections and

ideological balance rests. and those who win the i-4 corridor like trump did in 2016 usually win the state. so if you're in orlando you're going to get a great a coverage. you're going to reach a far bigger number of independent swing voters, their television sets, and through their local newspapers than, say, you are in the panhandle. also it's geographically located. they wanted to make sure they have the biggest, baddest rally northwest words of some of the trump campaign, because they want the biggest, baddest campaign that the nation has ever seen. it's an easy place to get to, orlando, relatively speaking, in the state. and they got that. they got at least 20,000 people showing up. a lot of these people are so dedicated that they stood there in torrential rain in order to get in on time. and when trump has these rallies he uses them as the centerpiece of his campaigns. this is the center of which and around which his campaign organizes itself and projects strength and projects power. and that's what you saw tonight. >> okay. we have lots more. everyone stay with me. lots more to talk about. the president's pick for defense

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"bad things can happen to good families." so with shanahan's departure there are now nine members of the president's administration who are serving in an acting capacity. and that's just how this president likes it. so back with me now, daniel dale, susan glasser, and marc caputo. so susan, that is a lot to chew on. let's talk about this. the family of patrick shanahan's ex-wife, they have actually released a statement tonight coming to his defense. it is a tragic situation and obviously very personal. but how could this just be coming out when it was detailed in court filings and shanahan has been acting defense secretary since january? >> well, that's right. it also makes you wonder what kind of an fbi vetting and investigation they had in advance of the confirmation that he did receive to be the deputy secretary of the defense department. and so if you really wanted to keep his family private, there's certainly lots of questions

about why this has gone on for so long. but the broader question of course that you've raised is you know, are we going to have an administration or not, an executive branch that's filled with senate-confirmed leaders of these cabinet agencies? it's important to note that we have had not a defense secretary now for a record amount of time. there's just nothing ever like it in any previous administration since the position of defense secretary was created in the aftermath of world war ii. jim mattis resigned in december. it is now june. and we don't have a secretary -- we don't even have a nominee now. president trump announced he would replace acting secretary shanahan with acting secretary dave asper. no word on if he's now the candidate potentially for permanent replacement or not. the president has chosen in this as in a variety of ways essentially to challenge the basic checks and balances of the system and not just as it's evolved but explicitly as it's laid out in the constitution. i was really struck by one

report this afternoon from bob costa at the "washington post," said he'd been told by senate sources they really didn't want the president to send up a new nominee for defense secretary because they didn't feel that they could handle it and get it done this summer and still get out to their recess in time. this is just extraordinary. it feels like people are falling down on the job on capitol hill. of course the administration seems to be challenging the very nature of senate confirmation itself by not even bothering to appoint permanent people to jobs or even white house chief of staff, which doesn't require senate confirmation. why is mick mulvaney still in the acting chief of staff in the white house? every day i wonders this question. >> yeah. a lot of people do. daniel, the president says he just heard about this yesterday. does that really make sense? does that make any sense? >> well, i don't want to speculate, don, because i don't know for sure. we know that trump has made false claims about what he does

and doesn't know about various matters. personal matters and what's going on in his administration. and it benefits him to maintain a deniability whether or not it's plausible. but we also know that trump has approved many nominees and other appointees who have troubling things in their past. he has dismissed the alleged wrongdoing. he's described them as good people, he personally likes them and he doesn't care about some of these things that are in their background checks. so in this case i don't know for sure. i frankly think either way is plausible here. >> yeah. marc, i want to ask you about this brookings institute. they did a study, found that a 69% turnover rate for the president's 18, that includes positions like national security adviser, chief of staff, communications director, the white house counsel, and that was before shanahan's departure. i mean, this may not be on top of voters' priority list but it does have an impact, right? >> well, you know, that kind of puts me on the spot because i must admit i don't know what the

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so president trump is once again defending his actions following the central park 5 case despite the men being exonerated. listen to this. >> lu apologize to the central park five? >> why do you bring that question up now? it's an interesting time to bring it up. you have people on both sides of that. they admitted their guilt. if you look at linda fairstein and you look at some of the prosecutors, they think that the city should never have settled that case. so we'll leave it at that.

>> at the time of the case then businessman donald trump purchased full-page ads that ran in several new york city newspapers that read "bring back the death penalty. bring back our police." the president says there are both sides to this case. but here are the facts. okay? the five teenagers who were accused of raping a jogger were presumed -- were pressured, excuse me, into giving false confessions. they were later exonerated when another person confessed to the crime and dna evidence backed it up. let's discuss. ayesha moody mills is here as well as l. lewis. good to have both of you on. errol, you covered this case at the time. right? it was a shock to the city. trump has never admitted that he was wrong. nor has he apologized for calling the central park five to be executed. why not? >> it is shocking. i have to say, donald trump is not alone in this. there are a number of people who it's almost like a rorschach

test. they want to cling so desperately to this narrative that a bunch of rampaging black and latino kids had to be stopped-h to be imprisoned and the tough justice that they got was deserved. people cling to that in the face of all facts to the contrary. no dna evidence. the prosecutor in the case, robert morgenthau, legendary prosecutor, went to court and said this is all wrong, you've got to throw this out. and the convictions were vacated. meaning the courts. you know? there was a full review process. there was $41 million paid to these people. an apology from the city. >> but isn't it -- listen, isn't the end-all be-all dna? right? >> it was supposed to be a gang attack on a woman -- >> but i'm talking about any case, when there's no dna, when the dna does not match, what thaenz what? and the dna actually matches the person who confessed. what does that tell you? >> what it tells you among other things is the jury when presented with evidence, physical evidence or lack of

physical evidence, and videotaped confessions those videotaped coerced false confessions are very, very powerful. >> what does he mean when he says both sides? what does that mean? do you guys have any idea? >> well, yeah. what it means is that he actually agrees with one side but he doesn't want to cop to it. so he tries to pretend like there's this mythical, you know, middle, that he is keeping something fair and balanced when in fact he's not fair or balanced at all. i mean, this is a guy -- the fact that donald trump called for the execution of 14-year-olds, 15-year-olds, no matter what they may have or may not have done and has zero remorse for it and is quoted as saying yeah, i'm mad, i want them dead, you should want them dead too, just tells you about the soullessness and the callousness of this character in the first place. but the fact all these years later when these young men were exonerated even though the president hasn't been, which is

a whole different conversation, someone who literally last thursday, don, the president had like his third event at the white house saying look at me, criminal justice reform, look at what i'm doing, i'm so compassionate, i'm trying to help people re-enter society, even in that frame here are folks that have been exonerated that he doesn't have that same compassion for, that he's not telling these young men, well, like what could i do now to help you have better lives because you were treated so unfairly and so that your existence now, at least we can make up for some of this? he's not doing any of that. >> look, there's always videotape, right? and that's part of evidence as well. 1989 president trump said this to larry king about the alleged suspects in the case. watch this. >> of course i hate these people. and let's all hate these people because maybe hate is what we need if we're going to getting? done. >> the president saw hate as the answer, errol. >> maybe hate is what we need. that's the message. that's the message then and apparently that's the message now. and it's blind hate. it's unreasoning hate. it's hate in the face of facts.

it's hate in the face of compassion and reason. and it's a terrible, terrible thing when that kind of hate has behind it the awesome power of the government. and that's what ground down these kids. >> i have just a few moments here left and i want to get this in. a new netflix series which is changing -- people are being fired. "when they see us." ava duvernay. dramatizing the story of the central park five. there's been some backlash against the former prosecutor in the case, linda fairstein. trump mentioned her. what is going on? >> what is going on is people are finally understanding how wicked she was. the witch hunt she created just so she could literally get a mark for herself. so now it's fitting that culture, which you know, often is a leading indicator, not politics or policy, that culture is getting some vindication for these young men. >> a very powerful story. it's landing on some people's ears for the first time. those of us who lived through it know all of the facts, but for a new generation to discover, it people are outraged. kids at columbia said they wanted ledderer who was a

lecturer up there, they want her off campus. she was 2kr07d. lind ar fairstein lost her book publishing contract for much the same reason. society has changed. and hopefully nothing like this could happen again. >> it's interesting. i was watching it on sunday night. you saw chris and my cross-talk on this. it was so dark. i was getting depressed. there was a knock on the door. and i was actually glad it was chris cuomo at my door for a distraction. because it is tough to watch. i haven't seen all the episode ppz but you said it gets easier. >> well, the third episode is about essentially re-entry and when they get out. so it's a little bit easier to deal with. but episode 4 is also very tough. i encourage everyone to watch it. shout out to ava duvernay for putting it out. >> nice job, ava. thank you both. i appreciate it. nice talking to you. we'll be right back.

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it all started as so many things do these days, with a tweet from the president. here's what he wrote. he said, "next week i.c.e. will begin the process of removing the problem is that there is no such operation. and to join me is a panel to discuss. good evening to all of you. so good to have you on. laura, i will start with you. a senior official is telling cnn that dhs is work on a plan to step up the deportation of the undocumented immigrants, but it "not imminent." that same official also said there were, "not a lot of happy faces today at dhs." what is going on here? >> well, it looks like trump got ahead of his administration again. it is something that he is known to do if he is aware of the

impending plans. and there was a bit of football going on between dhs and the white house today. dhs pushing questions over to the white house and the administration pushing questions about what trump's tweet actually meant back to dhs, and also it's pretty unclear that if something like this is carried out, if dhs even has the full resources or the capability to implement such a program. >> hilary rosen, you know, our pamela brown asked the president about the discrepancy between what he tweeted and what his officials are saying. this was his response. watch this. >> well, they know. they know. and they're going to start next week. and when people come into our country and they come in illegally, they have to go out, and everybody's seeing that. >> so is this anything more than trying to look tough on the same day that he launches his 2020 campaign? >> well, that is what he's trying to do, and when he says they know, they know, what he's saying is they know that if they don't try and do everything i want them to do, which is, you

know, be tougher on immigration than anybody ever has been, that i'm going to fire them the way i have fired other people from dhs before. because donald trump has in mind an immigration program that is inhumane, impractical and unfunded. and people who actually are responsible for carrying out these plans know this. and he can't admit it because for him it's politics. for him it's about, you know, his rhetoric, but for the people who actually have to do it, it's impossible. >> what do you think -- go on. what do you think of this get tough plan by the president? >> look, it's either two things, red meat or real policy. i tend to thing it's red meat he wanted to throw out there the night before his big rally today because he knows his base likes to see him flex his muscle and be tough on immigration and securing the border and building the big beautiful wall that we

haven't seen, or if it's real policy, i think that's troublesome. look, not only does this telegraph a serious policy that many people are not aware of, it signals to those that may be target of i.c.e. officials to be on the lookout and puts the lives in danger of the i.c.e. officials that would be going out there. not to mention the fact that there are many members of congress that are not aware of what he's talking about. either way, if this is real policy down the road, i think it is very ill advised for him to put it out there like he did. >> why? >> as i said, it would -- certainly it needs it be more thought out, but if i.c.e. officials are on the verge of going out there to round up these people, they're going to be on the lookout and it puts their lives in danger. it is not smart to telegraph such an important policy like this, if it's actually going to be carried out in the first place. >> hilary, let's talk about alexandria ocasio-cortez. she accused president trump's administration of running concentration camps on social media last night.

watch this. >> the united states is running concentration camps on our southern border. and that is exactly what they are. they are concentration camps. i want to talk to the people that are concerned enough with humanity to say that we should not -- that never again means something. this is a crisis for ourselves. this is a crisis on if america will remain america. if its actual principles and values, or if we are losing to an authoritarian and fascist presidency. >> so her critics attacked her saying she was demeaning jews. is ocasio-cortez helping or hurting democrats by talking about that? >> well, i think she is talking about a problem that is real. look, what we know is that the very same camps in oklahoma that were used in world war ii for

detaining japanese americans are now being used to detain people, to detain migrants, and, you know, we cannot sustain this. we do -- we don't have the humanity to sustain this. we don't have the resources to sustain this. and the truth is we are creating concentration camps on the border. we have 45,000 children, you know, being detained currently. we have hundreds of thousands of adults with no hope of a -- of a court date, of a, you know, of a trial, of any transportation to either a relative or back home. this actually is very much like a concentration camp. >> don -- >> i've got to go. i've got to run. i'm sorry. i'm out of time. we'll talk more about it. sorry about that. i appreciate it. president trump kicking off his re-election campaign in florida tonight as a new democratic poll shows some soft candidates could beat him in that battleground state.

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this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. >> the president of the united states, donald j. trump. >> president trump kicking off the 2020 campaign in a rally tonight in orlando. trump's campaign branded the event as a blockbuster re-election launch, but as soon as the president took the stage, his message s