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be texas dead. >> a life well lived and thanks so much for joining us. ""ac 360" with anderson begins now. megan rapinoe joins us since the win in paris and her push for women players and comments about not visiting the white house that drew the president. bernie sanders is here to react to many things the news breaking now judicial smackdown to the stru trump administration efforts to get citizenship into the 2020 census. for reasons not clear said it was replacing the entire legal team that argued the case. well today a federal judge in new york said no, they can't just do that.
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cnn jessica schneider joins us now. so the judge didn't hold back in his order against the justice department's request, heidn't say categorically it couldn't happen. what he basically said the explanation doesn't make any sense. >> that's exactly right, anderson. this federal judge out of new york jessie forman is telling the doj it can't simply switch out the team of lawyers and that's why he's denying the dojs request to change-up lawyers until they can provide reasoning for doing so and remarkably here, anderson, the judge is really putting it on these individual lawyers at doj saying he wants sworn and signed affidavits from each of them explaining why they are withdrawing and also wants assurances that these lawyers will essentially be available as witnesses and any future proceedings dealing with sanctions because this new york judge will also be reviewing any requests to issue sanctions in this case if it's determined
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that administration officials weren't truthful when they gave their reasoning for wanting this citizen ship question on the census. so anderson, this order from the judge really opens up a can of worms for the doj, which still hasn't publicly explained why it wants this change of lawyers and all the thoughts are you can't have the same team of lawyers that said the census needed to start printing on july 1st, now saying well, there is plenty of time to add this question. so it's a big problem for the doj. >> right, the supreme court when they ruled, they didn't say no, you cannot have this question on the census, they said we don't buy the government's, administration's argument why they want to have it on. it doesn't make sense the argument and not truthful essentially though they didn't use the word truthful and now the lawyers who argued that it was really, there was a huge time crunch on this that it had to be ruled by a certain point, the fact now they will have to argue something else that might contradict their whole time
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argument, it just puts them in a weird spot and they have been working on it so long to bring in new lawyers. how would that work? >> that's what the judge is raising question with. the judge says how can you bring in this team of new lawyers and stick to this timeline because motions are due in a matter of day days. the judge is not only concerned the doj has not given adequate reasoning to change the lawyers but how will this mess up the timeline here? after all, the doj lawyers have consistently said time is of the essence and they want to change up the entire team so this is really the department of justice has to kind of work its way out of a real mess here, anderson. >> jessica schneider, thanks so much. joining us now, opponents and the latest moves he's making to combat climate change. democratic presidential candidate bernie sanders the independent senator from vermont joins me now. i want to talk about climate change and the latest thing
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you're doing is calling for a national emergency but first of all, what is your reaction to this set back for the justice department and administration in the census case? why do you think they really want this question on the census about citizencitizenship? >> anderson, i don't think there is anybody or any doubts why they want that question. it's the under count latinos so that they can create congressional districts which will not be democratic and also make sure that federal funding does not go to those under served in often minority communities. i think everyone understands that is their rational based on a bigoted sense of what has to be done in this country. >> the president said he feels badly for the labor secretary acosta and he's worked hard and did a good job. acosta is under fire for the plea agreement that he made with jeffrey epstein years ago in a case in florida. epstein was charged yesterday
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with having allegedly operated sex trafficking ring involving dozens of under raged girls. could acosta resign? >> he should. he should resign because he was part of a process which really exposes the two-tier criminal justice system in america. it's not just epstein. it's the crooks on wall street who destroy the economy who paid billions of dollars in fines to the federal government but not one of the people ended up in jail. look, the reality of american criminal justice is if you're poor, if you're a person of color you get treated in one way. if you are rich and if you can hire all kinds of lawyers and you have friends in high places, you get treated in another way. and our job is in fact to do, to create a criminal justice system, which theoretically the founders of this country wanted and that is equal justice for all, rich or poor. black or white. >> i was reading your tweets and
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you're calling for a national mobilization to what the u.s. did after pearl hard bow but they are siting climate change. what does a national mobilization on climate change look like in your hopes? >> look, what it looks like is that if we are going to save this planet and if we're going to respond to what the scientists are telling us and that is that we have before there is irreparable damage done to the country, more drought, for floods, more rising sea levels, more mass migrations of people that unless we stand up by the millions to the greed of the fossil fuel industry who are making billions of dollars every single year as they destroy this planet, what we have got to do is mobilize millions of people who say you know what? you're short term profits are not more important than the
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long-term health of this planet, we have got to create and leave our kids and our grandchildren a planet that is healthy and habitable. by the way, anderson, you know, it's not just the fossil fuel industry. what we see all across the economy whether it is wall street, whether it's the insurance companies, the drug companies charging us by far the highest prices in the world for prescription drugs, the insurance companies who will spend hundreds of millions of dollars to prevent us moving to a medicare for all system, what you're seeing is a corporate elite whose greed is really destroying the middle class and working class of this country. and that is what we have got to stand up. climate change is a part of that struggle but it's not just climate change. >> you introduced a resolution on this with alexander oh k ocasio-cort ocasio-cortez. it is not likely to get passed in the republican controlled senate. is that a symbolic effort at
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this point? >> no, it's not and representative bloomen hower was involved in it. i will, i hope, pass the house and we have to put pressure on the senate this is what the issue is. is the future of this planet more important than the short term profits of the fossil fuel industry? do we tolerate a situation where we have a president who is ignoring science who thinks that climate change is a hoax? we are fighting for future generations to live in a healthy and habitable planet and the only way real change ever takes place whether it's economically, whether it's racially or environmentally is when millions of people are prepared to stand up and fight back and in this case, take on the greed and the lies of the fossil fuel industry. anderson, you know, what i am reminded of when i talk about the fossil fuel industry is what went on 40 years ago or so with the tobacco industry. you recall they lied and lied
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smoking cigarettes is not a health problem, it's fine. doctors on tv adds, smoking is fine. they lied. and millions of people died including my father as a matter of fact who smoked two packs a day, died as a result of their lies and the fossil fuel industry is lying now. the debate is over. climate change is man made, it's causiing devastating problems. we have to transform the energy system away from fossil fuel and sustainable energy. >> as you know s, eric swalwell dropped out of the race. is he the future of the democratic party? >> i hope not. tom is a descent guy who has done a lot of good. he's been concerned about the environment. he's put money into voter registration, all of which are positive things. but i think, anderson, that the american people are sick and
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tired of seeing political power of billionaires whether democrats or republicans. i'm proud in our campaign we have up to this point received some 2 billion individual contributions which i think is some kind of world record, i may be wrong. i don't think anyone has done that at this stage in a campaign averaging $19 a piece. the american people are tired of billionaires making huge campaign contributions and, you know, that's my sense of thought. >> finally, senator, talk about campaign contributions, senator elizabeth warn second quarter numbers eclipsed yours. you raised $18 million. you're neck and neck in the poll. she's improved polling compared to a month earlier. what do our gains tell you and where do you see this race right now? how do you feel? >> we've received if i'm not mistaken and i'm sure we have not. we have received more individual contributions than senator warren. they are a smaller amount.
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i think she was $26. i believe we were 18 or $19. i'm feeling very good. look, this is a very different situation political situation than last time around where there were two major candidates. this time there are 23 candidates, my guess is that at the end of the day, the candidate who gets 25, 30% will actually win state by state. we are very strong grass roots organization. we have over 1 million volunteers and strong organizations in iowa, new hampshire and south carolina and nevada, california. so we're feeling pretty good about where we are right now. we think we stand an excellent chance not only to win the democratic nomination but to defeat the most dangerous president in modern american history. >> one final thing, i'm about to interview megan rapinoe from the u.s. women's soccer team that won the world cup. do you think they should get equal pay? >> first of all, congratulations to their beautiful effort and of
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course they should get equal bay. >> thank you. one of the biggest sports stars in the world fresh off the win. we have megan rapinoe to talk about the win and activism and all the rest. z she'll be here in just a minute. whoa. travis in it made it. it's amazing. oh is that travis's app? it's pretty cool, isn't it? there's two of them. they're multiplying. no, guys, its me. see, i'm real. i'm real! he thinks he's real. geico. over 75 years of savings and service. [ text notification now that you have] new dr. scholl's massaging gel advanced insoles with softer, bouncier gel waves, you'll move over 10% more than before.
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. lau lavenderish? >> it's changing every day. >> are you exhausted? are you running on adrenaline? are you -- where are you? >> combination of all of it. it's fumes and water and adrenaline and getting to do exciting stuff like this. >> i'm -- this is -- this is exciting for you, then -- >> it is. >> you need to up your level of excitement. >> it is exciting. maybe i'm a nerd or something. >> we're all nerds here. we work in news. thank you. i mean, how do you -- i ask a lot of viewers for questions and stuff and i got flooded with questions. one of them i thought was interesting is just how do you phase out all the stuff that's swirling around you, all the stuff with president trump, all of that when you're on the field and preparing to be on the field or do you use it as motivation? how do you do what you do? >> that's -- i don't know. i don't know how i do it. i don't phase things out. i don't like go into a zone. i definitely am on the field at times like thinking about all of these things, knowing the kind
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of impact but then in the same way, i'm just free and doing whatever. >> but you're -- because, you know, if you hadn't won, there would have been a whole other reaction and blow back and who knows what coming out of washington. >> right. yeah, i'm very, very aware of that. i'm aware of not only sort of my position within the team but the team and just all of the media and how everything affects each other. i naturally kind of feel that and have a go with the flow attitude but yeah, i'm aware that this was a huge win for us in many ways. >> i want to ask about the stance that you famously do and what do you call -- is there a name for that? >> i don't know. >> that's the subject of a lot of discussion. i'm wondering where that came from. is there a name for it? >> i don't know where it came from. i made it up. i did it in one game prior to leaving for the world cup, and i
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hadn't done it for awhile and i usually change things up ape lot. we usually talk about the celebrations became a thing, as well. i don't know where it came from and it just felt -- i felt the team had so much pressure on it and obviously individually we have that pressure but more so as a team and it was just like this like moment. it wasn't an f you moment at all. it was a moment for everyone to celebrate through that. you're not going to take our joy from anything and it was just this like we have arrived. sort of. >> that's the message. >> something like that. >> are you not entertained by all of this? like the circus is here. [ laughter ] >> and we're here for it. >> it is a very circus entertainer in the center ring. >> definitely, yeah. i definitely see myself as an entertainer, of course, a soccer player and take the crap seriously and want to do my best on the field but i also feel like especially with our team, i do feel like we're a traveling
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circ circus. we play so many games. at the world cup that's the biggest stage and i have that interaction with the crowd -- >> is that something you practice in front of the mirror? does sue at home say no, that's not going to work? >> i don't think i did. she would say that, though. she would be honest. where is this coming from? she is -- yeah. i don't rehearse a lot of things. i'm probably too off the cuff. >> so when the lawsuit was announced during the competitions that you and three of your teammates filed against u.s. federation for equal pay, and it will head to mediation, you agreed to mediation before going to court. i want to play how the crowds reacted after you won the match and the chant of equal pay they started to say. let's listen. >> equal pay! equal pay! equal pay! equal pay! >> is that something you could hear while you were on the field? >> a little bit, yeah. we were all getting ready to
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celebrate and won the world cup again and we're like wait a second, is that really happening? >> what did it say to you that that was coming back? when i first heard that i thought oh, maybe that's something like you had started that chant for the crowd but it was actually the crowd started doing it? >> yeah. i mean, i think we knew this win if we were able to win would be bigger than soccer but that moment i think just solidified everything. this world cup win is so much more than what was on the field. it seems like one of those just sort of iconic turning points in history to be honest. so that kind of like cemented that and kicked off the feeling of wow, this is so much bigger than just these people coming here to watch the game. >> i don't know if you've seen this or heard this but the legendary women's rights advocate snoop dog weighed in on this. i want to play for our viewers, a little bit, i'm hoping we bleeped it. this is snoop dog weighing in
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support of megan and the team. >> shoutout to the usa women's soccer team for their fourth world cup. what i want to talk about is they only get $90,000 per player but the men, if they win it, they get $500,000 per player. [ bleep ] men from the u.s. soccer team ain't ever won [ bleep ] and ain't going to ever win [ bleep ] and can't get out the first round. man, pay them ladies, man. pay them girls what they worth. the women should be getting $500,000 per athlete, snoop dog says so. >> will you bring him to the mediation? >> i think there is probably the best strategic move. we have a good team of lawyers, but we're going to have to put them on the back burner for this. >> is obviously, we can have fun but it's an incredibly serious issue and important issue. how do you think it is going to go for you? obviously, you have the wind in
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your back right now and this is obviously you couldn't be in a bet pore session ter position g mediati mediation, i think. what do you think the likelihood of actual substantial change? it's not just a question of money but a question of you're forced to play on astro turf, which is more dangerous than grass, which the men are allowed to play in and i understand in the lawsuit, there was an example where you played in a stadium on astro turf when the guys played there, they rolled out grass on top of the astro turf so the guys would play in grass. that seems -- >> could be safer for them. yeah. >> surprising to me. >> yeah. it's so much more than the money. obviously, the money and the compensation part is a big piece. it's talked about the most but it's really more about the investment in the game. is the investment equal? marketing dollars and branding and investment in youth and investment in the players and coaching staff. i don't think that that's there. i don't think that's ever been
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there. i think the men eastside 's sids is seen as this exciting business opportunity that needs to be invested in. the women's is how cheap can we do this keeping them happy and what changes can we make at each step to just kind of keep them at bay? i feel like right now we're really excited, obviously, the win is huge for the lawsuit and i don't think we need more public perception on our site but we have it all. i think for us it's like how can we collaborate to make this better. i don't think the conversation is any more about should there be equal pay? >> there are people that say look, the attendance at women's soccer matches is not what it is at men's and in general ratings aren't as high and the money it earns isn't as great. >> yeah, everything that gets
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the men to the games is everything equal. until it is and we have equal investments and care and thought and brain power put on both sides, we don't know what our potential is. right now, i would say that we're doing pretty good, you know, basically creating this entire business without being compensated, you know, substantially or -- >> i think you are the first soccer star i have interviewed male or female so that says something to the fact -- >> there we go. >> exactly. so i think for us honestly we don't want to have this huge public nasty fight that's not really in the best interest for anyone. we would much prefer to have a collaborative approach with fifa, with the federation, how can we move this forward and go to the next step to create a world equal and fair and yeah, i guess just equal and fair for everyone and have the conversation like 500 years down the road when everything has caught up. >> stick around. more with megan ra pea know after this and we'll discuss her
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. we're spending a lot of time tonight talking with megan rapinoe and as we showed you during the break, commending the stage before and after a match. i want to play something your coach said after the win on sunday. while i think you were being drug tested or something. >> i did. i got drug tested. terrible. >> she was talking and apparently you walked in the room and said something like i killed that drug test or -- >> i did. i killed it. i killed it. i paid in like five minutes, not even. i knew as soon as the game was over. dru drank a lot of water, got my blood drawn, done and dusted. >> megan was built for this. built for these moments. built to be a spokesperson for
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others. >> do you feel like -- do you feel like you are totally in the zone -- like this is the prime you're in the zone and this was a moment that you knew you could command? >> i don't think about it in that way. i think my personality just lends to this and it's this incredible, you know, kind of coming together of, you know, obviously the on field play and activism taken and personality i have. i don't know what my parents were doing when they raised me. my mom is like why do you always have to take it all on? i'm like i don't know, it just feels normal and natural to me. >> speaking of that, 2016 was when you knelt during the playing of the national anthem during a game in solidarity with colin kaepernick. you wrote an essay called why i'm kneeling and you said it's
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because of my utmost respect for the flag and the promise it represents i've chosen demonstrating this way. when i take a knee i'm facing the flag with my full body staring into the heart of the ultimate symbol of freedom because i believe it's my responsibility as it is yours to ensure that freedom is afforded to everyone in this country and then at another point, you said in a tweet, being a gay american i know what it means to look at the flag and not have it protect all of your liberties. people still do not understand and criticize you for bringing one person, bringing politics into the game for, you know, disrespecting the flag, the anthem, the country. that is what the criticism is. >> yeah, it's very much is that. i don't fully understand it, either because i think that taking care of others, standing up for yourself and other people, if they don't have the ability to do so is very
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uniquely american. i think everyone in america would say that and i think we have a rich history and a pride in saying that in those words and often times in doing that in the world. i don't think anybody can deny the horrors of racism and jim crow and mass incarceration and what's happening on the southern border and gay rights and women's rights. it's like i don't quite understand, you know, sort of where the miss is because i think a lot of the people that disagree with me would benefit greatly from a world that is better for everyone. >> you do not see it as disrespecting the flag or the anthem? >> i do not, no. i think that protest is not comfortable ever. it's going to make people uncomfortable. it's going to, you know, force people to look inward and question, you know, everything they thought they knew. it's not convenient. it doesn't feel good really for
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anyone, even in those moments kneeling those were, you know, some of the most crazy personal moments that i've ever had but that's what it takes, progress is hard. >> the moments kneeling for difficult for you? >> yeah, it was. >> because people's reaction or? >> a little bit, yeah. obviously knowing -- especially after the first time that i did it, you know, knowing how angry people were, but it also -- it was difficult and heavy but i have this immense sense of pride and responsibility in doing that. so i think that's where the strength of doing it a number of times came from. >> i think i read something you said i don't have in front of me but being an ally on issues you care about is -- shouldn't feel comfortable, it should feel -- >> right. >> it shouldn't -- if it's easy, everyone would do it. >> exactly. i think it's supposed to be really uncomfortable. i think the whole point is to
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put yourself in someone else's shoes or try to or at least just say i don't totally understand but i believe you. i think when people, you know, don't take the path of ally ship, they don't believe what the other person is going through. i remember asking people to respect me and my life and the way that i was born and i don't need you to fully understand it, you never could. if you don't allow me that space, you're saying what i'm saying is lying and i feel like especially with the police brutality and racial injustice, if you're not down with it, you're kind of disregarding those people's experiences in this world. >> the u.s. soccer federation and pastor not allowing players to kneel, you don't sing the national anthem and don't put your hand over your heart, if that rule was not in place, would you have kneeled during the world cup? >> i don't know.
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yeah, i mean, i don't know how long the protest would have gone. i don't know how long it would have needed to go. obviously kap knelt the whole time. >> can you see a day you don't -- where you do put your hand over your heart and sing the national anthem? >> yeah, i'm very hopeful for that. i think it will take a lot of years and a tremendous amount of work by this country but absolutely hopeful for that. >> but not until there is significant change on the issues that -- on racism and all sorts of issues. >> yes, yes, it's going to take a tremendous amount and maybe we -- maybe in my lifetime, likely in my lifetime we don't get there but that hope still persists and i think that if we're not striving for that, then we're sort of just in this dead space. >> i ask that you tell me but was coming out to your friends and your family, was thata
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difficult process for you? i understand that you came out in college to friends and family publicly later on. but to friends and family, was that a difficult process for you? being a teenager, was that give cu -- difficult? >> it wasn't difficult for me in the moment. i didn't realize it until i got to college and looking back on my teenage years -- >> you didn't realize when you were a teenager? >> i didn't. it was shocking. i'm a little embarrassed like this. i was like mom, really? we're surprised about this? the teenage years were a little hard. >> i knew when i was 6. >> i know. i know. it's so embarrassing because i'm just very gay but i don't know how it happened but -- >> thank goodness. >> as soon as it clicked, awe, she has arrived. she's here. her life is beginning. so it really was not a difficult -- >> oh, this -- i get it now. like it all makes sense. >> why didn't anyone tell me. i was upset.
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someone should have told me. >> you knew about gay people? >> yes, totally. i did. i know. it's like -- it was -- i couldn't see the forest through the trees. it was crazy. embarrassing. >> wow. okay. >> yeah. funniest thing -- >> shocking, i know. shocking. >> the -- let's see. where do i want to go after that. >> i know. >> that caught me by surprise. but do you -- but being a gay american and having a partner, your partner sue is a very accomplished basketball player. do you think it does make you look at society in a different way? i've always felt it's made me a better reporter. it's made me an observer or growing up feeling like an outsider and observer of things more than a participant. >> absolutely. i think that it's shaped my entire world view. my twin sister is gay, as well and had a very difficult time coming to terms with it herself
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and obviously a lot of friends i know and people i know how much struggle there is and just in my own life, i'm not -- i feel like i'm not affected by homophobia. it's there and i feel it in part of my everyday day life and having that perspective of not being like everyone else gives you this boost of empathy and i'm so thankful for that. i don't know what it would be like if i didn't have that but i just feel like it puts me in this position to trust and understand and believe people that they are going through whatever they say they are going through. >> i agree with you on the empathy thing. it is -- >> huge. >> otherwise i feel like i would be -- you know, i'm privileged in many ways but at least it's allowed me a different way of seeing things which is beneficial. do -- i need to ask you about the president's stuff. so when -- okay.
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i want to play what started this in the public mind about the white house thing. >> [ bleep ] going to the white house. no, i'm not going to the white house. we're not going to be invited. >> you're not going to be invited? >> i doubt it. >> that was actually shot awhile ago i understand. it was shot by some crew. did you know that it would cause a ke-- >> no and everyone that knows me knows i use the f word too much. >> you apologized for using the f word but not what you said? >> yes. i think it was the jersey unveil leading into the world cup and in a passing moment but i mean, i meant with all the inflection and attitude i gave with it. i meant all of it and every word of it. >> so now if you -- as far as we
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know, as far as i know, there is not an invitation from the president to the white house, he had said later on well, you know, he had criticized you but said that win or lose that he said that you should win before you talk and that win or lose your team would be invited. there hasn't been an invitation yet. would you go? would you team mates go? >> i would no go and every teammate i talked to would not go. >> every one that you've talked to. >> every one i talked to. i don't think anyone on the team has any interest in lending the platform we've worked hard to build and the things that we fight for and the way that we live our life, i don't think we want that to be co-opted or corrupted by this administration. >> going to the white house would be risk co-opting or corrupting your message? >> yeah, i think so. i think it's an opportunity for this administration to sort f put us on display as their, you
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know, sort of guest for the day and i don't think that makes sense for us at all. i can't imagine any one of my teammates would want to be put in that position. there is so many other people that i would rather talk to and have meaningful conversations that could really aif he can chan -- affect change in washington than go to the white house. >> there is a good chance the president is watching this interview or will watch this interview, what is your message to the president? >> message to the president. i think that i would say that your message is excludeing people. you're excludeing me. you're excludeing people that look like me. you're excludeing people of color. you're excludeing, you know, americans that maybe support you. i think that we need to have a reckoning with the message that you have and what you're saying about make america great again. i think that you're harking back to an era that was not great for
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everyone. it might have been great for a few people and maybe america is great for a few people now but it's not great for enough americans in this world and i think we have a responsibility, each and every one of us, you have an incredible responsibility as the chief of this country to take care of every single person and you need to do better for everyone. >> the idea of make america great again if it means going back to an america from the '40s or '50s that's an america you could be imprisoned for being gay or sent by your family to a mental hospital where you could not walk down the street holding hands with your loved one or i could not walk down the street or go dancing or anything. it's interesting how different people view things through a very personal lens and as you said, maybe don't walk in the shoes of other people who, you know, did not have rights in a past america. >> yeah, it was not a great
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place for a lot of people. it was very oppressive place and that's not to say that it was the worst place in the world. i think that's one of the things that a lot of people go to. no one is saying they want to leave america, but i think as one of the great countries in the world and for sure we want to see ourselves as that, we need to constantly look within and challenge ourselves to be better so everyone else can be better around us. >> do you -- i know you've been invited by i think congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez and nancy pelosi. >> shoutout aoc. >> is that an invitation you're taking up? nancy pelosi said you would be welcome to a bipartisan congressional thing. do you plan to go to washington in one way or another? >> definitely. i think even the conversations with teammates that have had -- i think everyone is interested in going to washington. i think we've always been interested in going to
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washington. this is such a special moment for us and to be able to, you know, sort of leverage this moment and talk about the things we want to talk about and to celebrate like this with the leaders of our country is an incredible moment. yes to aoc and nancy pelosi and bipartisan congress and chuck she m schumer and anyone else that wants to invite us and have a substantive conversation and believe in the same things we believe in. >> before you came out bernie sanders said you should get equal pay. >> thank you, bernie. >> particularly to say hello. if this is too personal, you have -- you tweeted your brother tweeted you, you tweeted your brother, he was -- my understanding is he's the person who got you into soccer when you were a little kid. that you really look up to him. he's obviously and it's been public. he's had troubles. he's been in and out of prisons and problems with drugs.
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he was saying how you were his hero. that you always looked up to him and now he looks up to you. and that your protest helped him and sort of empowered him. >> yeah. you're going to make me emotional. yeah, he definitely is someone that is very special to me and, you know, i've just seen firsthand, you know, how the sort of prison system has ruined his life in a lot of ways. at least ruined the first 38 or -- let's see 39 now, 39 years of his life. so to be able to share this moment with him and have him be out and doing well is just, yeah, it sort of means the world to me. we've had a lot of conversations since he's been out. our relationship -- we've always been close. it's been sort of up and down over the years. but i think he, he sort of had a
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kind of come to jesus moment about his life. like what is he doing? these alliances he had in prison, what does that mean? kind of life is he living? kind of legacy does he want to leave as a person? or what kind of impact does he want to have as a person? i feel like probably seeing me and having all these other people come up to him and say the things they were, maybe good and bad in prison i think brought this new perspective to his life of like i don't care if i'm, you know, nobody. i still have a life. i can have an impact and i can be better and right now my life is just -- i'm not doing anything good with it and that's just not someone that i want to be. >> just final question, i'm not going to ask you how long you'll play soccer for because i don't want to be ageous and i think you're such a bad ass you can play for as long as you want as far as i can tell. i was reading -- i know nothing about sports. i read a lot to try to understand. i didn't say you made a home run or anything.
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>> basically did, though. you basically did. i basically hit it out of the park. pretty much. [ laughter ] >> she hit a grand slam. >> you can drop the mic right now and walk off if you want. i understand that there has never been a world cup team that won and then went to the olympics and back to back years and won. are you aiming for 2020 olympics? >> yes, definitely. >> definitely? >> and it's in japan. it will be incredible. i love everything about japanese culture. it will be an amazing olympics. hopefully i'm lucky enough to be part of it. obviously our last performance -- >> you have your eyes on that? >> for sure. >> cool. >> absolutely. >> wow. it's such a pleasure to talk to you. >> thank you. >> i feel like -- yeah, everyone wants to hang out with you. i wish -- >> we can hang. i'll be back in new york next week. >> cool. i'd like that. that would be fun. all right, megan rapinoe, thanks very much. we'll be right back.
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as she said. >> she's the real deal. the greatest in their own areas, it always is something they're not surprised happens for them. and she's done it so much, loved it. gre great for the audience. thanks for letting me watch that. we have the acting secretary of dhs. they have new numbers about how many people are being held and what is the deal with atability. and hopefully we'll get some clarity, when can we get our cameras in there? let people see what the hell is going on. then we have rosie o'donnell on the show. not here just to bash trump. i want to talk to her about whether or not she thinks her party can beat this president. who and how? and she wants to get involved with the border as well. she's got a big event that she's going to be a part of this friday. >> that's about six minutes from now. long before president trump, the first billionaire to run for
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if you're looking for a precursor for better or worse, the 2016 election and donald trump phenomenon the place to look is on television, especially cnn back in 1992. there you would find a very fast-talking texan. that texan was billionaire, former eagle scout and ibm salesman ross perot. he died today of leukemia. he was 89 years old. he lived a life in politics like no other. >> if you're that serious, you,
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the people, are that serious, you register me in 50 states. >> he was the most coincidental presidential candidate in u.s. history. >> i will not run as either a democrat or republican because i will not sell out to anybody but the american people, and i will sell out to them. >> how are you? >> the year was 1992 and george h.w. bush was besieged by critics, both liberal and conservative. perot saw an opening and leveraged tv appearances into one of the boldest political gambits the country had seen. his profile skyrocketed and he would spend $65 million of his own money on his candidacy including commercials on network television. >> since we're dealing with
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voodoo economics, a great young lady from louisiana sent me this voodoo stick and i will use it for my pointer tonight. >> and when he wasn't on the debate stage or giving interviews, dana carvey had him covered. >> large, oversized lobes filled with wax and covered with thousands of spiky white hairs. >> perot received 19% of the vote in 1992. the wounds of the campaign were long-standing. >> i think he cost me the election and i don't like him. >> perot ran again for president in 1996, though he didn't fair as well as he had four years before. he largely faded from public life and was devoted to his family, business.
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ross perot showed that in politics anything the possible. ross perot was 89 years old. >> and he definitely made his mark. the news continues to chris for "cuomo prime time." >> and he created an option that we may see come again, a viable third party candidate. thank you for that. well done. i am chris cuomo. welcome to "prime time." there's new information about how many are being held on our border and the conditions they are in. can the president's acting dhs secretary give us confidence that this situation is under control or getting there. this is his first interview since his department released numbers just hours ago. and when can we see the conditions for ourselves? and rosie is in the ring. she's here to talk about whether the democrats have what it takes and who it takes to beat this president. rosie has answe