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has learned well from his boss when confronted with wrongdoing, he blamed everyone else involved. one of them is firing back tonight, let's look at what we know and test who is right. the legalities are going to take time. but the politics are playing out in real-time. and mr. acosta would resign as labor secretary. will congress force his exit? should it? we have a senator and 2020 hopeful leading the charge on that. we'll ask her about the latest on that. and the border fix from senators from her party, senator amy klobuchar here tonight. we also have the president's acting immigration chief sounding the sirens that i.c.e. raids are absolutely coming. is that the best or worst move right now? and we have news on what democrats are planning for mr. mueller. we have the plan and the stakes. what do you say?
let's get after it. ♪ not me, boss. that's what you heard from the labor secretary today, a lot of excuses. don't blame me. blame them for the jeffrey epstein sweetheart deal. >> simply put, the palm beach state attorney's office was ready to let epstein walk free. >> the former palm beach county state attorney says that is bs. a statement was put out saying, quote, federal prosecutors do not take a backseat to state prosecutors. true, by the way. mr. acosta brokered a secret plea deal that resulted in a nonprosecution agreement in violation of the crime victims' rights act. okay? he says his office took the epstein case to a grand jury
that returned a single indictment. the u.s. attorney's office produced a 53-page indictment that was abandoned when acosta cut the deal. so what does this mean now? let's bring in senator amy klobuchar among many democrats demanding acosta's resignation. senator, good to have you on the show as always. >> thanks, chris. >> all right. so it goes like this, we don't like the deal. the deal kind of stinks. lots of deals stink. why should the labor secretary resign so many years later? >> the labor secretary actually has jurisdiction over human trafficking and this is something that should be a major focus of his. and what we've now learned is that he made a deal behind closed doors without consulting with the victim. we already have a florida district court judge who says
this is illegal. >> as a former prosecutor, could he have been following the office protocol and not the crime victims act as well. >> i don't buy this. you're supposed to do your job without fear or favor and your mission is to make sure that justice happens no matter who the defendant is, no matter how connected they are. what i saw here today is that he first blames the victims, he says they didn't want to come forward so i didn't want to -- give me a break. you have cases all the time, especially when you have a major defendant like this with a sex ring, where maybe you're going to have to make sure the girls are protected. sometimes we even would subpoena someone to testify just to be able to get the bad guy. all right? >> he did other cases that were of similar subject matter where there were much different
prosecution angles. let me ask you -- >> we had one many minnesota recently where the u.s. attorney's office got over 30 years for two girls -- >> this is the most lenient sentence prosecutors have ever heard of. let me ask you this. you guys knew about his role when he came up as labor secretary. he was asked about the epstein prosecution. >> i didn't support him and a number of my colleagues didn't and some of this information had not come out until later. but i did want to really point out something -- >> please. >> because this is the issue of the day here where he suddenly is blaming the local county attorney and i want to make clear as someone who had that job before, when the feds would come in and say they -- sometimes we would go back and forth and say we think we can do this one. sometimes they would say okay. but a lot of times we would go where we thought we could get the longer sentence or they would take it. and we had very cordial relations. but most of the time they would be able to take the case because they could get the longer sentence and have the resources. i put a judge in prison, my office did. but the point of the story is, i don't buy this at all.
i believe that local da who basically says, come on, the u.s. attorney's office here had this long indictment and they should have gotten a good sentence and certainly not given him a deal where he can work six days a week, leave jail and go to work making billions of dollars while other people in the same circumstance, like the one i just mentioned, go away for 30 years. >> i understand all that. and it is interesting that secretary acosta did not bring up his work with human trafficking in his role as a cabinet secretary when it is under his auspices. that's a fair point and he didn't mention it. a bill is coming out tomorrow, i understand, to deal with the conditions at the border. and it covers separation and some other guarantees of how people are going to be kept. however, the main role for congress in what's going on down there is not addressed which is, the set of rules, the statutory
rules that are causing a lot of the constipation on the border, why isn't the senate bill addressing that? >> well, we're -- we're going to put this bill out tomorrow and i think what this bill gets at is some standards for detention so that you don't have situations where kids don't have toothbrushes or soap. >> they can't meet the standards because they're overwhelmed and part of being overwhelmed is resources, part is rules. >> okay. the other thing we're going to address is you stop the separation of kids from their parents. the other thing that must be addressed which is a much bigger issue that would resolve all of this is comprehensive reform which gives us the money, because the score on that bill, the amount of money we would bring in from 2013 was something like $158 billion reduction of the deficit. think if you're talking about
improving these facilities and if you're talking about allowing for asylum cases like they should be to be processed in the countries where the people live. >> that would be great. >> we would be able to fix a lot of this, chris. >> that would be great. >> but this president, every step of the way has said, no. even when we tried to help the two million dreamers in this country with support of senators, he said no. >> do it without him and make him veto a bill. go around him. if you're going to wait for the president, he's not going to work with you on it, senator. >> that's why i want to be president. i believe we can get this done within the first year and we can stop this chaos at the border. and you need someone in the white house that's able to work to get this bill done so we stop the chaos. we have comprehensive immigration reform which would be so much better for our economy when we don't have enough workers in nursing homes and we have the administration continuing to threaten to deport people who are here on temporary status legally. it's a much bigger problem. >> mueller comes in next week. i'm -- in doing the research for this, what are their plans?
let me reserve the thinking on this. what happens if mueller doesn't wow people with his testimony. he says he's going to stick to the report. i think there's plenty in that report that people haven't read that would be surprising to them. but what if he doesn't deliver? what if the needle doesn't move after the mueller testimony? should an impeachment inquiry be abandoned as an effort? is that going to be some indicator for you? >> you know, i have been in favor of moving forward -- >> yes. >> with impeachment proceedings because i see those ten points of obstruction of justice. that aside, i think it is very important for the nation to be able to hear director mueller testify. they should be able to hear it. and by the way, even if he just sticks to the facts of the
report, it is a lot easier to digest the former fbi director under a republican president exactly outlining everything that russia did. we had a classified briefing today about what went on with russia and i can -- i can't reveal what happened there, but i can say that what we know publicly and that is that director mueller said in his report that in a systemic and sweeping fashion, russia interfered in our election. and what i would love to get out of this testimony of director mueller is the public to see the two ways they did it very clearly, one, by trying to hack into election equipment, and then secondly, with the propaganda and the lies and those fake divisive acts. people need to understand it because we're starting to see it again. and that's why i want to have my backup paper ballot bill, the bill that i tried many, many times to get through, passed, we're going to try it again in the coming weeks and then
secondly to make sure that we do something about these ads, these political ads, when there's no rules of the road for those big social media companies. >> senator klobuchar, always happy to have you on the show to talk about what matters to the american people. i'll see you again soon. >> i'll see you soon. >> good luck going forward. when we're talking about epstein, you got to stick to what is common sense on these things, all right? don't get buried in legalese, don't follow the finger-pointing. let's take a look at the facts of what we know about how it was handled. okay? we are going to dissect them with one of the best investigators around. what was done that seems fine and what was not, next. i switched to miralax for my constipation. stimulant laxatives forcefully stimulate the nerves in your colon. miralax works with the water in your body to unblock your system naturally. and it doesn't cause bloating, cramping, gas, or sudden urgency.
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now, you can argue he was trying to save his job. others say he was trying to explain the deal he made for sex offender jeffrey epstein. but here's what matters, the deal that alex acosta says happened has to be looked at through the lens of a different time when victims weren't treated as they are today. let's bring in asha rangappa. first question, meeting with the defendant council in a hotel, multiple times, saying that -- meeting with him multiple times, at least once that we need of in a hotel. saying that they kept starting and restarting the process, they were in control of it. it was very frustrating for us. the idea of him having prosecuted other cases with this subject matter and having very different outcomes, what does that all mean to you? >> so, chris, first let's start with this -- we're talking about 2008, this isn't 1910 before
women had the right to vote or something. and the facts of this case involve more than 30 victims all of whom were minors at the time that the criminal activity occurred, involved trafficking across state lines -- >> this was the real deal. it wasn't a one-off. it was the real deal. >> that's right. this is not a he-said-she-said. this is the kind of thing that a reasonable juror, let's say, would acknowledge was wrong. and the very fact that there were so many victims all of whose testimony would have been fairly consistent and they had corroborating evidence in the form of phone records and flight manifests, suggest that there was quite a lot of evidence here and that does not pass the smell
test in terms of what he said today in his press conference. >> his idea, look, the state, you know, i had to deal with the state. this was their case. when's the last time you heard a federal prosecutor say that? >> yeah, you know, the feds are typically happy to take a good case from the state. let's remember that this started because of a complaint to the palm beach police department in 2005. the palm beach police department asked the fbi to get involved. the fbi that investigated and basically had a 53-page indictment ready to go. now at this point in the span of, you know, i think -- in the span of about six months, this translates into a plea deal where he then -- epstein pleads to these lesser charges in state court. it's important to remember -- >> one victim involved who was 17, you know, it was like the best-case scenario for him. and the most lenient deal i ever
heard of, 18 months, 13 served. six days a week on work release. >> and there was nothing that would have prevented the u.s. attorney's office from continuing to investigate this further if they believe that there was not a strong case. remember that trafficking cases do not have a statute of limitations. i believe as of 2003, which is why the southern district of new york is actually able to indict epstein for some of the same conduct that florida was looking at. this is the same time frame and even some of the same facts. >> why the public corruption unit being involved? what does that mean to you? >> you know, i don't know. i defer to prosecutors who have worked corruption cases. there is some nexus there, i would probably caution against jumping to big conclusions because public corruption can involve anything from low-level officials to high-level
officials in terms of their involvement in this type of thing. i think it's a bit premature to implicate certain people without more evidence. >> i agree. thank you for helping us understand the context. appreciate it. now, politically, should the president have to own this acosta mess? on the one hand, what did the president know? he was vetted by the senate. on the other hand, this is his cabinet secretary in charge of human trafficking. so does he have to own that? about how the border? should the president own the conditions at the border? two great questions for a great debate. debate. let's get them both next. . improve our workflow. attract new customers. that's when fastsigns recommended fleet graphics. yeah, and now business is rolling in. get started at fastsigns.com.
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when asked if he would step down today, secretary alex acosta said quote i serve at the pleasure of the president. tonight he is still serving. if there were a miscarriage of justice that acosta should own with the epstein deal, does president trump now own that too? let's use that as the start of tonight's great debate. good to have you both on. let me start with you, dave, what's the argument for him owning it? acosta, not to blame the president for what acosta did back then, that's not fair. i don't care how good of friends or not the president was with epstein. my question is this, he is in charge of human trafficking, okay? his reputation in that area is at best sullied. should this be a concern for the president? >> look, chris, i think in this
case, if you look at media counts from when this case was prosecuted in 2006, 2008, you know, secretary acosta was praised by many in the media for doing something that wasn't going to take place, getting a real conviction against a guy who was being let off on state charges. >> he didn't get a conviction. he took a plea. >> in you look at the affidavits by the career prosecutors involved here, he was the u.s. attorney. as you know, chris, you're a lawyer, jack's a lawyer, the secretary didn't make the decision on this alone. he didn't -- >> he did cut the deal. he's the name on the deal. >> chris, he didn't overturn anybody. he went according with all of the people in his office, career
prosecutors, fbi, what he got was a deal that no one else was getting at the time. so i think, look, it's a terrible thing. i'm glad that the southern district of new york is prosecuting this guy who's by all accounts a really bad individual. and retrospect, maybe the case could have done something differently. the evidence must not have been there at the time because i promise you that the good men and women of the fbi back then in the southern district of miami were doing their jobs. do you think anybody there wanted to let this creep go? i promise you didn't -- >> i think it's a legitimate question. hold on a second. let's be very clear, dave, dave, dave, dave, hold on. i like the reversal. you know how many times i've had to say that to you when we talk about the mueller probe. >> because it's a legitimate question. >> i thought it was length back then too. >> i'm not casting -- >> you had a different perspective -- >> dave, let's go. >> are you asking do you believe -- >> i don't.
i don't think this was about investigators. i think it was about influence on the outside. your take? >> okay. now there's a number of issues here. first of all acosta comes out today and says it was a different time. what was it 1908. this was 2008. in 2008, did you let child molesters get away? was that the time we were living in? no. that was the worst excuse i have ever heard. and then he blames it on state prosecutors. state prosecutors came out and said absolute lie, not remotely true. we're not talking about the fbi here, dave. i know you republicans hate the fbi and the -- >> i don't hate the fbi. don't mischaracterize anything i say. >> hold on. the fbi did their job and they got amazing evidence, about 30 women, a 53-page indictment and what does acosta do, he lets him off the hook. he let him out of jail for six out of the seven days, why? because he's rich.
he's represented by a law firm that acosta used to work for. they get together and say, should we let our buddy off? >> it's such a joke. hold on. >> what doesn't hold water? >> chris you really -- hold on. hold on. let me reset. let me reset. first, other than the fact that acosta didn't do the work release part, that came after him, but the leniency was part of his negotiation. what i'm not getting from you in response is what made the deal okay when the witnesses were available then and they weren't even told about the deal? >> chris, listen, i'm not -- i can't litigate each piece and portion of that thing. i'm not -- >> what doesn't make sense? >> chris, i can't give you an answer on that. >> you're saying it doesn't make sense. what doesn't make sense? >> i'm not saying it doesn't make sense. it's this giant collusion between -- i worked at this law firm, we're going to let this
bad guy go. it's not -- >> acosta says that the pressure from the defense counsel -- acosta says things i've never heard from a federal prosecutor before. these defense attorneys, they were so good, dave, they just kept coming and there was so much pressure, they kept messing with our process and making us redo the deal so we have to do it over. when have you ever heard a federal prosecutor talk about a defense counsel that way? >> i'm not here to defend the words of secretary acosta today. we know how the offices work. listen, i promise you that each one of those people in those offices, wanted to put this creep behind bars, they did the best job they could. >> it's not about the integrity of the fbi.
it's not about the integrity of the fbi. it's about the outcome and who manipulated it. >> these are complex cases, chris. there are lots of prosecutors involved here and at the time i promise you, they made the best case they could. >> final point. go ahead. >> there was not a lot of prosecutors involved. it was acosta. he made the decision. >> really -- >> he was so lenient on a child molester. acosta's best-case scenario is, i was such a terrible prosecutor that i was overwhelmed by the defense attorneys who were so good. i'm such a terrible prosecutor and lawyer, so then why are you the labor secretary? his worst-case scenario is, a lot of connected people wanted this guy off. his middle case scenario is, come on, he was rich. i couldn't put away a rich guy like this. imagine if a poor or a middle class average american had been
accused of molesting dozens of kids, do you think they would have let him off like this? no way. because epstein was connected. >> you care about the facts. >> what's the fact? >> there's an affidavit on file, go look it up, from a career prosecutor who was in charge of this case, not secretary acosta. >> he did the -- he did the negotiating of the deal. he owns that. he owns that. >> admit, chris. >> how about trump? >> acosta is a liar? >> no, no, admit, there was a female lead prosecutor -- >> acosta says he did the deal. >> don't try to blame women. that's disgusting. >> you're lame. stick to the facts. stick to the facts. >> let's -- listen, this discussion has ended its utility for tonight. were there multiple people on the deal? yes. does acosta own that he negotiated the deal? yes. nothing else is relevant.
we will learn more -- >> there are lots of other things that are relevant here, chris. there are lots of other prosecutors who wanted to put this guy away for a long time. >> he did the deal. >> what did trump know and when did he know it? >> that's not an interest for me at this point. i respect the passion. i'll talk to you again. >> all right, you're going to hear more about that case and it's going to have a lot of political purchase. wait for the closing. it's relevant. he's the sitting labor secretary. but there's more. another story, the president has promised mass immigration sweeps across the country. do you remember how muscular that was for his base. now his new top immigration official says, oh, they're still coming. let's bring in ken cuccinelli to explain why they would do this now, how they will work and what he's learned in his new capacity about the conditions down there. what are his concerns? what are the fixes? next.
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the trump administration is saying that there will be massive migrant roundups for people who have deportation orders. there are about a million of them. obviously you can't take on that kind of scope of humanity, but they have very ambitious plans. democrats counter with today's hearing about kids in cages. so the fix is still a long way from now. it's about whether or not we're going to make this situation any worse in the short term. one of the administration's top immigration officials is ken cuccinelli. you know him from his time here on cnn. congratulations on your appointment. >> let's get after it. >> let's get after it. you were brought in for fresh eyes on a troubling situation. what do you make on these reports of inadequate medical care. >> and only about eight or nine
months and of course you've reported on the numbers that happened in may, really a near unprecedented spike in numbers, but that wasn't the toughest part. the toughest part was that those apprehensions were three quarters families and unaccompanied children. and when you talk about overcrowding, the border patrol in particularly was designed to handle individual, adult male mexicans. they don't have the facility which means short-term turn around. they don't have the facility so the way the system is supposed to work is that they then off load detainees to i.c.e. but i.c.e. is oversubscribed in their detention facilities. and so the pipeline has become
clogged. >> you don't think it's about -- >> if it gets clogged anywhere, it shows up front. >> you don't think it's malfeasance, people doing -- >> malfeasance on the part of congress. >> the troubling part of the report is people saying they were told to drink toilet water and all that. >> yeah, yeah. no. and, chris, one of the things i appreciate about you, you've looked yourself, you've developed your own opinions based on facts and i appreciate that. and i know a lot of other people do too. and what i saw was for instance children being cared for well in a border patrol facility that was never designed to house children. and you of course saw the inspector general's report and the pictures in there and that was largely a function of raw numbers. this system for the fourth month in a row is over 100,000 people
coming over the border. i looked at data all the way back to 2012. there's never been a single month over that mark -- >> it's true. the numbers are astronomical. >> they are. and there's only so much you can do. >> let's talk about what is being done and this the part i don't understand. i don't have any problem with the law being enforced. i think that if you come in illegally, you have a problem, you have to deal with it. but i don't understand sweeps now because i don't know how you can add to the capacity problem. i don't know who will process these people. you're overcapacity now. why do the sweeps now? it seems like a nightmare scenario. >> well, the fact that it's even news worthy that i.c.e. is doing its job which is as you noted to pursue, really, first ask, but
then pursue those who won't respond, on the removal orders. so there's about a million removal orders where people have gone all the way through a long process, due process and so forth, and that's the pool that i.c.e. has to work from in terms of removals. there are other things i.c.e. does. but in the removal space, what they try to do, operationally, is set up to process the particular people in that pool quickly so that they don't just jam them all in detention centers -- >> they don't have the manpower to do that. it seems to be this is a political play on harshness. >> we're not talking about doing all of it. >> i'm saying that doing any of it is a political message of harshness, but i see it as adding to a contamination right now. over half of these people are
families and kids. you can't put more stress on the system. >> you can't fore fit the other parts of the pipeline. we're talking about the crowded points well before that right on the front end when people come across the border. but you also have to -- have to work on the back end. just like in my agency, we're working to knock down the asylum backlog of cases while supporting the border effort. i.c.e. has to do the same thing in its own realm of authority where they have to continue to enforce removal orders all the while backing up cbp in terms of detention with the border crisis. >> but why add to a system that's overtaxed. why not prioritize that right now -- here's my real question, it seems that the president wants to choose to keep hammering on the harshness and keep hammering on enforcement and doing after them and not dealing with the true crisis of humanity and caring for these kids and families which he never
prioritizes. >> chris, you said yourself that it's important to enforce the laws as written. and i would note that the appropriation bill that passed last month, most of that bill went to care for children and what happened. >> yes. >> so we went from about 2,500 kids in these facilities, not designed for them, down to below 350 with only a handful, maybe 20 or so that have been there more than that requisite 72 hours, which is our target time for those kids to be placed in appropriate facilities for children. and when congress actually stepped up to do that one small part of its job, the system started to work with respect to those children. we have not seen congress do that either with asylum loopholes which are -- >> fair point.
>> nor with adults for detention which is what you and i are talking about, not just -- >> fair point. but we're still getting reports, ken, and i know this is why you were sent down there, we got one off arizona that was reported on by nbc first last night that the conditions are beneath the standard of care that we expect from ourselves in this country. that seems to me to be the most important piece of this. and that should take all the energy until it is dealt with the right way and then you deal with capacity and you deal with enforcement once this crisis period is gone. >> well, but you -- you just excluded one item that is the solution from the overcrowding and that is that congress has to allocate the funds to provide adequate facilities. that is congress's -- >> they just gave you four-plus billion dollars. >> that's right. and that -- as i told you, most of that went toward care for children, not just detention, medical care, transportation, the things we need to take care of those children correctly. we also need to expand the capacity with respect to families and adults. >> i hear you about expanding capacity. i hear you about capacity.
i hear you about the rules. i hear that it's not done. the president's priorities, we disagree on. i go on the facts of what i see on that. you are always welcome ken cuccinelli. i'm going to need you to come back. good luck down there. i hope you can make things better. >> we're taking it step by step. we will. >> ken, thank you. let's lighten it up a bit. this is a what would you do. you're driving on the freeway, money starts to rain out of the sky. real money. do you do what they are doing? do you drive by? is there some third answer? d. lemon and i will deal with a real life ethical dilemma, and i think tell you what i would do next. ♪ ♪ how do you like it ♪ ♪ more, more, more ♪ how do you like it, how do you like it ♪ all you can eat is back. how do you like that? applebee's. now that's eatin' good in the neighborhood. what does help for heart failure look like? ♪the beat goes on it looks like jill heading off on an adventure.
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all right. here's the question -- driving on the highway, cash comes raining out of the sky. what do you do? you pull over and scoop it up? more than a dozen drivers did just that after an armored car's door flew open. you're looking at 175k. police are warning of criminal charges if they don't give the
money back. so far, five people, including this guy, have turned in a total of 4,400 bucks. all but $200 were taken. d. lemon, uh-oh -- >> that is a total of 17 bucks. >> i guarantee if anybody smells that money, it's musty, because this guy never opens his wallet. >> i always buy your dinner. >> what, this isn't working? you're driving down the road. money comes flying out of the sky. what do you do? >> what do i do? >> be honest. we're only on live television. >> i probably would take some pictures of it if i felt i was in a safe place or i would drive away. i wouldn't do it. not going to do it. >> why? >> i don't know. it doesn't seem like. i don't like being on the sides of highways or interstates. >> you're on a country road, nobody is around, money comes flying out of the sky -- >> nobody is around? >> nobody is around.
>> nobody sees me. >> nobody will see you. >> who's the money along to? >> it came out of an armored car, arguably fdic-insured. >> i believe in karma. i think i would turn it in. seriously, i don't think i would do it. i think i would turn it in. i'm that guy. >> the law is clear. you're walking down the street and you see a $20 bill. there is a di minimis standard. there are laws against taking mislaid or lost items and keeping them yourself. you're supposed to notify the police. if a statutory period goes by you get to keep it. this is an ethical dilemma. it is a not free money. >> let me ask you this. if i turn it in and no one claims it after a period of time, it's mine? >> you get it. >> why wouldn't you just turn it in? that way you're clear -- >> because you want the money. because it's cash money. >> i know people at home are
like, are you crazy, don? i wouldn't keep the money. i'm sorry, i wouldn't. >> look, here's the test of integrity pop taught me. would you do the right thing if nobody would know you did the wrong thing? it's crazy to say i wouldn't do it because i don't know the money. but if you did, i totally understand why people were picking it up and gathering it and trying to drive away. >> don't get me wrong, i'm not judging. i'm not going to judge someone who needs it or keeps it. you asked me what i would do. and i'll tell you -- >> i get you. that guy who came forward and anybody who comes forward, that is something where there should be a fund for people who do the right thing. if you don't reinforce the right behavior, it's more powerful than punishing the wrong behavior. >> have him back on. i bet something really good happened to him. speaking of something good,
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this is about something that's happening all over this country to our kids. this is about human trafficking and sex against someone's will, the grooming, manipulation, and abuse of children. just today we heard from yet another accuser, jennifer arose. she says that she was recruited for epstein when she was just 14, raped by him at 15. >> he knew very well my age. he knew exactly, you know, who he was hanging out with. i was telling him to stop, please stop, you know. >> and did he? >> no, he did not stop. he had no intention of stopping, and that's what he wanted. that's what he got. i just thought, like, you know, it's my fault, like i was, like, obligated, like that's just what you're supposed to do. so i really didn't know better. >> didn't know better. obligated. that's what i was supposed to
do. i have heard those words and these types of stories firsthand all over the country. i've driven the streets with my team to see girls forced to walk the same for sex, for money. if not, they face consequence. we did a documentary on this. you can see it on hln on demand. this is one of the most hidden and pernicious problems in our society. spare me who is better friends with epstein? i don't care about that intrigue. spare me what bothered me most from mr. accosta today, this. >> the message to victims is come forward. >> come forward? why would they come forward after what you did? you didn't even tell them that their abuser was rnn't going aw as expect the. what you did is proof of why they don't come forward, because the trafficker won. the bad guy won. and the stories about this guy fit the mold of what is happening all over outside the
world of rich and powerful. the average age a child first becomes a victim of sex trafficking, 12 to 14. these girls have sex with ten men a night. six nights a week. 240 sexual partners a month. how many kids? they don't know. they can only estimate. so many are afraid to come forward. so many are lost in the system of kids that are just gone in our society. american kids. so why should mr. accosta be judged now for then? that's a fair question. there are two reasons we must consider. because it was kept quiet and the deal didn't get scrutinized at the time, why didn't it? second, secretary accosta is in charge of human trafficking for us as the secretary of labor. he gave the most lenient deal
ever. he didn't mention his work in a real way. we know he tried to cut funding for sex trafficking victims. was it about budgets, was it about priority? the fact he doesn't get it as evidenced by this earlier deal? can he be trusted to own it? those are the real things to consider. thank you for watching tonight. as we get those answers, remember the problem it's so much bigger than epstein. cnn tonight with d. lemon starts right now. >> it's hard to even listen to that young lady that you played, and to hear the facts of what you said is just unbelievable. sadly, i was on the upper east side tonight. one of my friends' daughter died. rest her soul. they all knew epstein. they all lived within a radius of him. it is big talk not only there, not only around the country, but especially there because they live in the neighborhood with this man. it's just unbelievable to hear the stories that people are saying about him.
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