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hello on this sunday. you're live in the cnn newsroom. i'm ana cabrera. the president of the united states spent his morning on a racist rant. on twitter, of course, and on the same day his administration begins immigration raids on migrant families across the country. although he did not name names, president trump targeted, quote, progressive democrat congresswomen. an apparent reference to at least four women of color who came to capitol hill this year. he went on to say, they should go back and help fix the totally broken and crime-infested places from which they came. for the record, ocasio-cortez was born in new york. rashida tlaib was born in michigan. and ayanna pressley was born
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here and ilhan omar was born in somalia but grew up here in the united states. he suggested nancy pelosi would be happy to arrange it. nancy pelosi rejected what she calls the president's xenophobic comments and went on to criticize the raids happening today. boris sanchez is at the white house tonight. there's little doubt who the president's tweet was referring to. why target them? >> president trump is trying to exploit a rift in the democratic party. these four progressive members have been critical of house speaker nancy pelosi, specifically saying that she caved to the administration with the passage of this immigration funding bill last week. pelosi has been frustrated with their use of social media, believing they are often too critical of other democrats. but the president's tweet appears to have backfired. these two sides now apparently refocused on their common enemy. and that's president trump. omar posting this tweet. she writes, you are stoking
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white nationalism because you are angry that people like us are serving in congress and fighting against your hate-filled agenda. then she quotes robert f. kennedy. writing america's answer to the intolerant man is diversity. the diversity our religious froum has inspired. surrogates for president trump has said he didn't really say they should go back tlo their countries but the president's intent is obvious. he's using the language of white nationalists to try to stoke the support of people uncomfortable with immigration and the president is very comfortable doing that. there's a long list of racist things this president has said and yet his approval rating has continued to climb, ana. >> boris sanchez reporting at the white house, thank you. i want to bring in dean obadala and jane newton small. as a woman of color, as a latina, i have heard these sentiments directed at me from being called a beaner by a
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northern idaho farmer who asked where i was from when covering a wildfire in my first job as a young reporter to the many hateful tweets and messages i receive from anonymous critics. you can relate but this is coming from -- this message, these words are coming from the president of the united states. >> they absolutely are. and for me, if i dealt with bigots because i'm lycike rashi tlaib. i joke my country is new jersey. that's one thing you can do in a one on one situation or online. the president in the white house has a bully pulpit. he's legitimizing the worst element of our society. we've had these conversations so many times. we go through trump's bigotry and racism. i'm glad you hear boris and others not afraid to use a term like white nationalism. it's white supremacy on parade like speaker pelosi said. and trump has earned -- there's a reason why david duke said
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it's treason to your heritage not to support him. over 100 articles praising him. when i wrote an article in may of 2017, before charlottesville, denouncing trump for coddling white supremacists, andrew england defended donald trump. they came after me and fabricated tweets i was a terrorist and i had to sue them in federal court for defamation and for the death threats. president trump's anti-muslim bigotry to retweeting from the uk katie hopkins. in the uk she's an anti-muslim bigot who called for a holocaust against muslims. she's banned from south africa for her racist words. she shares the stage with holocaust deniers. that subset knows who she is. americans don't know. and this donald trump is going to get worse between now and 2020. >> it's not lost on a lot of people. his wife is an immigrant herself. what are the chances melania
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trump has had this kind of message and rhetoric directed at her? >> i have no idea as there are people in this country who don't accept anyone with an accent. my father lived more in the united states of america than in the middle east. he's palestinian. still, if you have an accent, you're subjected to that. this is a tough time. donald trump, to me, i had to sue white supremacists who love donald trump because they came after me for my name. donald trump is a white supremacist. if he's troubled by that, he can sue me the way i sued white supremacists. if he doesn't sue me, we can assume he is. and he is that. he's shown us who he is. and it's time -- i can't get his supporters to give up on him but for the rest of america, come on the other side. stand with us against trump values. they're not american values. >> jay, trump's former campaign strategist bannon predicted once the mueller investigation was over the president would go full animal. listen to this. >> now that he sees himself as
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no longer being under the cloud of the mueller investigation, what does going full animal look like? >> president trump is a fighter. and i think he looks at this as a fight. he's going to be very aggressive. going to start giving interviews and going to really try to push this. i do think this year will be vitriolic and we'll have to work through this. >> jay, who is to stop the president from continuing this vitriol over the next year and a half? all we're hearing from republicans right now are crickets. >> absolutely, ana. this is really, clearly, his entire strategy for re-election. i also want to say, i was born in the united states, but my parents, neither of them are american. i remember when i was covering the immigration debate back in 2005 and 2006 i joked with senator campaign. i'm an anchor baby. i gave my parents citizenship when they retired. he used to laugh and say, ha, ha, not people like you. and but the fact of the matter is this is what donald trump is
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saying. by talking about these women who are immigrants and talking about their past, or at least one of them is an immigrant. the other three are not even immigrants, they were born here. it's the sense of that the country is somehow not theirs. not ours. not us people of color but it's like only a country for white people, right? and that's the biggest fear that he's playing on. not just that these people at the border who are being arrested or who are being detained, people coming in in caravans. it's also these people who are leaders, who are taking your positions, who are becoming your members of congress and representing you. and that's really terrifying to a large part of this base that donald trump is trying to appeal to. and these are the people he really is trying to turn out, come election day 2020. and this is unfortunately what we'll be seeing throughout the next year-plus, almost a year and a half is this rhetoric. the other hand, i think the danger he runs is that he's going to unify democrats because last week the democrats were really split and this week they are completely unified against him. >> you think this is going to
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lead to voter enthusiasm for democrats? >> i was at the convention the last three days with rashida tlaib and ilhan omar. the split at the top is not trickling down to the base. i spoke to the most progressive members there. they were unified, even those who did not like joe biden said donald trump is a threat to our values. so i think every day trump reminds white hou s us who he ir us because it animates us. wants us to get more involved. there's no split in the rank and file. i said the cnn article just got published about that minutes ago. >> do you have any doubt it was omar and rashida tlaib and ayanna presley and aoc the president was referring to in his tweets? >> no doubt. the second tweet where he was nancy pelosi was love this. she'd pay to get your plane
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ticket or whatever. that's implying the split they had all week long with nancy pelosi. and it was those four members they were having a split. it's very clear to my mind those are the members he's talking about. >> great to have you both with us. thanks very much. >> thanks, ana. andrew yang, the son of taiwan ease immigrants will weigh in next hour on the president's comments. plus, i.c.e. has begun raids to round up undocumented immigrants. we're live where they're fighting back to also calm fears. you're live in the cnn newsroom. , little things can be a big deal. that's why there's otezla. otezla is not an injection or a cream. it's a pill that treats differently. for psoriasis, 75% clearer skin is achievable, with reduced redness, thickness, and scaliness of plaques. for psoriatic arthritis, otezla is proven to reduce joint swelling, tenderness, and pain. and the otezla prescribing information has no requirement for routine lab monitoring.
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i.c.e. raids targeting around 2,000 immigrant families are under way right now according to a senior trump administration official. they were scheduled to take place in these ten u.s. cities. the raids in new orleans, however, are postponed due to tropical state faorm barry. rosa flores is in chicago. you're with a woman who has been hiding out for more than two years? >> we started following the story of an undocumented woman named francisca two years ago. she took refuge in the church behind me. process that for a moment. this woman has not left the church for two years. and this weekend, she's on heightened alert because of these scheduled raids. fran sis ka has lived in chicago for 20 years. she's the mom of four u.s.
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citizens who she raised in the outskirts of town. but for the past two years, she has lived inside a church, away from her family and hoping to not be deported. lino, who is undocumented, said she gets in a panic thinking about getting pulled away and stashed in an overcrowded detention facility she's seen on the news. she took sanctuary in this church, a place federal agents typically avoid raiding. >> do you have a plan if there's a raid in this church? >> no. >> for more than a decade, a time span covering administrations of both parties, she checked in with immigration officials twice a year, and there was never any issue. until donald trump took office. cnn was there in 2017 the morning of her first check-in during the trump era. >> translator: it brings me a lot of fear. >> reporter: it was an emotional affair for her entire family. first an immigration agent told her she could stay for another
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year. >> translator: i feel very happy because i was given another year. >> and then -- her joy turned to heartbreak when she was asked to return to the federal building in four months with her bags packed and a one-way ticket out of the country. her daughter became physically ill. >> you were having a panic attack upstairs? >> yeah. i couldn't breathe. i was choked up. i couldn't talk. >> reporter: that's what hurts her the most. about being hunkered down these last couple of years is not being able to simply hug her daughters outside of this church. especially when they needed their mom. and that's something she may never do again on u.s. soil come this weekend. and, ana, something very special is going on this church right now. francisca lino is spending some time with her family. a service in this church just wrapped up. and this church is in the puerto
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rican community of chicago. the community that attends this church vowed to protect her. >> rosa flores reporting for us in chicago. powerful story. thanks, rosa. the trump administration pushing back hard and insisting the primary targets of tonight's raids are dangerous criminals. cnn's jake tapper spoke with acting director of u.s. citizenship and immigration services, ken cuccinelli. take a listen. >> who is going to be targeted. obviously, i don't think there's anybody that would object to dangerous criminals, ms-13 -- >> let's start there. that remains the priority for i.c.e. >> so when they go out today, that's who they'll go after? >> that's still the priority. what we -- >> today it's a priority. >> let me finish, jake. >> that will not be the exclusive limit of any operation. that that is the priority. and i.c.e. is protecting americans by removing those criminals from this country while you've got sanctuary
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cities and states who are protecting these criminals by not cooperating with i.c.e. >> joining us, the deputy director of the american civil liberty unions and director of aclu's access to courts program. the i.c.e. raids are under way we're told. have you been in direct communication with people detained in today's raids? >> we're getting very little information about ongoing raids. we're talking to all the people on the ground but we've not seen significant activity yet. so the administration may be saying it's ongoing. we're still trying to figure out exactly what's happening. >> when you think about this from an enforcement perspective, does it make any sense that the president would make such a public statement about what the plan is and eliminate the element of surprise? >> right. you know, i think part of what's going on is terrorizing the immigrant communities and putting fear in them and speaking to who he wants to
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speak to and say, we're going to be tough. but being tough doesn't mean going after families. you heard in your lead-in, our priority is hardened criminals. the national security threat. but the truth is they are admitting they're going after families in this set of raids. 2,000 families, central american families. and that's consistent with what we've seen throughout the administration. first they took babies away from mothers and fathers from central america. now they are making them wait in mexico in the most dangerous conditions just to apply for asylum. it's been an ongoing attack against central american families. we can -- the administration can talk all they want about hardened criminals and national security threats but the actually see who they're going after. >> i spoke with ron vitella, the former acting i.c.e. director. he talked about who they were targeting in this raid and defended the trump's raids this weekend. listen to this. >> many of the people who were, you know, applied for asylumer wanted to go to an imgraduatimi
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hearing did not go. i noticed them again, and again they refused to go. now they've been ordered by the judge in absentia and have become targets for the fugitive operations team. >> these people had their day in court. a lot of them chose not to show up in court. that's why they were ordered to be deported. you take issue with this. >> we do. we have a lawsuit now brought by our state affiliates out of los angeles and new york which documents the defective notice system. you hear they've gotten all this notice. they've just chosen not to come out. you look at the notice system, often it's sent to the wrong address or the hearing date is wrong or numerous other defectives. so we're saying give them due process. make sure they got the notice. bring them before a judge. ask -- have the judge ask them why didn't you show up. let them explain why they didn't show up or also, do they need asylum. but just to sweep them all out of the country without finding
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out why they didn't show up violates basic principles of fairness. >> when you hear him say 90% aren't showing up, that usually is the exact opposite based on successes from the past in which 90% who are released and then are set to come to these hearings. >> the first point is we know asylum seekers show up. at the end of the obama administration, they created a system to monitor people to come in. it was 97% effective. the second point is, even when they don't show up, it's frequently not their fault because the notice system is defective. so all we're asking is for basic due process. >> do you know of the families that received these notices and tangibly got them because they weren't sent to the wrong address, what do they typically do with them? >> if they can understand them and they're complicated and all the information is correct, they show up. >> because they don't necessarily have legal representation a lot of these families. >> that's absolutely right. the notices are very complicated, but they try their best to understand them and show
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up. keep in mind that people were applying for asylum want to have a regular status. it is very tigring and difficul not to have a regular status. you want to have your hearing and show you're eligible for asylum and you've covered family separation for a long time. we're going to see a different type of family separation potentially now. we're going to see u.s. citizen kids abandoned like in your lead-in. u.s. citizen kids remaining in america who have never been to their home country and their parents are going to be shipped away. not only that but just the terror of these kids living with, am i going to come home from school one day and my parents are not going to be there. that kind of stress on children is not healthy. >> i think this is an important point to make here. there's an analysis done by the migration policy institute. former president obama deported more undocumented immigrants than trump has so far. according to this analysis, george w. bush deported twice as
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many immigrants as the obama administration and clinton more than bush. what makes this administration so different in your mind? >> i don't know those statistics. they may have been over the eight-year period. but what i think is different is the way this administration is going about who they are specifically targeting. they're talking families. central american families and doing it in such an inhumane way. we never in prior administrations saw them take babies and toddlers from their parents. it's the way they're going about it and who they are specifically targeting. >> one of the things i can't forget that we learned on friday is that 18 children, toddlers and infants under the age of 2, we learned were held for 20 days to up to six months, including nine children under the age of 1 under the initial family separation policy. and 30 of them, according to elijah cummings still are separated. 30 children. >> and there are still ongoing separations, and we'll be back in court likely very soon
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because we're still seeing separations, notwithstanding the court injunction. >> we'll be in touch. keep us posted. thank you for being here. flooding is now the main concern in the gulf coast as barry slowly moved north. 11 million people face this threat. we just got an update on its path from the national weather service. we'll bring that to you next. stay with us. you're live in the cnn newsroom. tailored nutrition, n to ensure his long back and playful spirit get the joint support they need. or to help this gentle giant keep her heart going strong. we've developed over 200 formulas to support the magnificence that makes them, them. find the right formula for your pet at royalcanin.com. have a discount with another wireless carrier? t-mobile will match it. need a few more reasons to switch? 1. do you like netflix? sure you do. that's why it's on us.
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in the natural disaster emergency hanging over the entire state of louisiana is far from over today. the hurricane and tropical storm winds are no longer pushing over telephone poles or damaging homes, but forecasters say something potentially more dangerous is still coming. meteorologist karen maginnis is in the severe weather center. you just got a new update and new data from the national hurricane center. >> the national hurricane center sent out their last advisory regarding what used to be hurricane and then tropical storm and now depression barry. barry has never been your typical hurricane. never looked like a typical hurricane. never acted like a typical hurricane and even in its dying days, we're still not looking at a typical scenario. we are still looking at the potential for flash flooding. what is barry doing right now? has supporting winds of 35 miles per hour. some higher gusts. 24 hours ago, we were looking at this system ready to slam into
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the coast of louisiana. who saw the most rainfall? mississippi and alabama. now coastal areas of louisiana did pick up some rainfall, but some of the most significant totals we saw were around daphne island. also into some of these other coastal areas. biloxi and mobile. now we're looking at the center of circulation situated over northwestern arkansas. where is it going to be tomorrow? well, it, the remnants, are going to gradually make its way toward the north. for memphis, for little rock, for jackson, mississippi, for shreveport, you could see some pretty good rainfall totals. 2 to 4 inches possible. but the computer models were all over the place saying we could see as much as 25 inches. the most we've seen so far has been about ten inches but still along the mississippi river, we could expect the potential for some serious flooding. so the danger is not over even though it is now tropical depression barry.
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>> viewers, stay with us. we'll bring you the latest information as we get it. karen mcgin, i thanks for the update. out to baton rouge and the banks of the mississippi river. we just heard about all this rain headed that way in the coming days. can the river take that much? >> well, honestly, it looks like it might be able to. we've been out here for a while now, several hours. if you look at the water here where we are, we are just at the edge of the city of baton rouge. and this is the levee that helps protect the city. and the water is still coming up. you can see there are parts here. there's the railing there deep into the water we're told by the locals. that's not usually the case. in the distance, besides all the people who have a nice time here in the weather while we get a bit of a break from the rain, there's red lettering throughout. one woman who is walking on it. and that lettering says baton rouge. we've been watching and the water has gone down just a
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little bit on that lettering which is interesting because that tells us a little bit about what the mississippi river is doing. the rain, of course, is just starting again. we've been seeing the constant bands come through. a little bit of a break and then it starts over. it's not too hard. but the water is going to collect here and that's the big concern. we know they were looking at the drainage system here. they were trying to keep the debris out because they're concerned about the mississippi. it's expected to crest at 43 feet. normal is 30 feet. so it's certainly concerning. also the amrite river that's supposed to crest at 39 feet. that's not far from here. but the city of baton rouge itself did okay because of these levee systems here right in the city which has served it well. but they are still concerned a little about tornadoes and funnel clouds they've seen spotted in this area. reported funnel clouds. but the good news is despite the rain and despite the continued ugly weather here, the power is
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going back on for thousands of people. about 3,000 have had their power restored in their homes. about 12,000 or so still without power. but we are continuing to sit here at the banks of the mississippi, and we'll continue to watch this for you as the evening continues, ana. >> it's important for people not to get lulled into a false sense of security because there could still be danger lurking. randi kaye, thank you for that update. lights are back on in new york city. good news for new yorkers after a partial blackout trapped people in subways and elevators, shut down broadway shows, even j. lo's concert at madison square garden. the scramble to find out what happened next. you're live in the cnn newsroom. and the 12-hour pain-relieving strength of aleve. that dares to last into the morning. so you feel refreshed. aleve pm. there's a better choice.
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devastated. here we go. >> citywide power outage. we're going to interrupt this event. >> i'm very sad. >> and it actually has rescheduled that show for monday. let's get right out to alexandra field. you just heard from officials. what are they saying? >> reporter: hey there, ana. con-ed regrets the disruption. five hours in the dark. the power outage affecting some 40 blocks in manhattan on the west side. but they are saying it will take months to figure out exactly what went wrong as they take a look at what malfunctioned. they are ensuring there are redundancy in the system to prevent something like this from happening again in the next few days with the temperature expected to tick upward. what we know is there was a problem at a substation in midtown that affected five other substations which plunged so many people into the darkness. con-edson says they can rule out
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a few causes, though. listen to this. >> we have no indication at all this was involved in cyber in any way or a physical attack. in terms of loading or demand on the system it was a warm evening, but in terms of the peak demands that manhattan exhibits on the hottest weekdays, the demand last night was very low. >> mayor bill de blasio is back in new york city. he was away for a campaign stop in iowa. he came back praising emergency responders. also praising new yorkers for showing their strength and resilience. hundreds of additional police officers, firefighters, traffic controllers hit the streets. they were sent to the affected neighborhoods during the five hours in the dark to help keep the peace. the amazing part of all of this, no injuries related to the blackouts that we know of and no hospitalizations. >> thank goodness it all ended up okay. still a mystery remains. special counsel robert mueller's public testimony is now delayed by a week.
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president trump's labor secretary alex acosta is out over his handling of jeffrey epstein's case. acosta has endured backlash for the plea deal he cut with epstein nearly a decade ago. widely criticized as too lenient. this time epstein faces new charges of running a sex trafficking ring and sexually assaulting underage girls, charges that could send him to prison for the rest of his life. that brings us to cross-exam with eli honig. >> how might we learn about epstein's associates who participated in the alleged sex trafficking operation? >> so this case already has had massive fallout. and i think there's going to be more to come. the first way we'll learn about who else might have been involved is as the case proceeds against the southern district of
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new york we'll see court filings but we'll not see specific names. we'll see generic latibels. we saw reference to employee 1, employee 2, employee 3. most famously in the michael cohen case, individual 1. sometimes it's obvious who the person is. sometimes it's not. the other way we'll learn is if this goes to trial. if that happens we'll learn everything. that's where names get named. will epstein go to trial? we don't know. the vast majority of federal cases plead guilty. over 95%. i don't think southern district will have much of an appetite to make him a deal after what happened in florida. i think we'll see additional indictments. this was a major trafficking network. no way epstein ran it alone. as those people get charged we'll learn who they were. and the last thing to note, the southern district of new york is staffing this case through the public corruption unit. at the announcement last week the u.s. attorney said don't attach any significant to that. all due respect to my former office, yes, attach significance
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to that. it's very unusual. this case ordinarily would be staffed out of the human trafficking unit which i used to supervise in the organized crime unit. the fact that public corruption is on it tells me there is at least one current or past public official involved in this case, somehow or other. >> so that's significant. we talked about how there was this deal before, a plea deal. epstein cut the plea deal. that brings up the question of double jeopardy. could it be thrown out on double jeopardy because of the agreement reached years ago? >> this is exactly what epstein's lawyers are going to argue in court. they've already started. double jeopardy is not going to work. he was never prosecuted formally in florida. that went to the state. now he's being charged federally. we just got a supreme court decision two weeks ago that says that is not double jeopardy. someone can be charged in the state, then federal. no problem. they'll argue the plea deal they got, the sweetheart deal from acosta covers them because the southern district of florida signed that and so they'll argue that the southern district of new york, a different component of doj is also bound by it.
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but the southern district of new york is already anticipated this. if you look at their first brief, they cite a case that happened to be mine, a mafia murder case that i tried and argued on appeal where this guy got a sweetheart deal from a different district. we took a look at it, charged it correctly and the court of appeals here in new york said that's okay. the sweetheart plea deal he got before does not bind another federal district. >> so there's precedent. robert mueller's testimony is delayed until july 24th. another viewer asks this. is speaker pelosi right when she says there should be more solid evidence before starting an impeachment inquiry? >> legally, no. and we know that because the house impeached bill clinton in 1998 based solely on ken starr's report and evidence underlying it. they did not call any firsthand witnesses or go out and find other evidence beyond the report. but, of course, speaker pelosi is doing her job here and thinking politically. but she's using a little
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circular reasoning because she's saying we should not open an impeachment inquiry unless we're prepared to impeach. but how do you get more evidence? we need more evidence. how do you get more evidence if you're not willing to open an impeachment inquiry in the first place. robert mueller's tom got pushed back but it's still coming soon and that's going to be a pivotal moment. >> i have a feeling it's going to be a big part of our discussion next weekend now that we have another week to think of our questions for robert mueller. >> yep. >> your three questions for the week? >> is this delay in mueller's testimony just a delay? they pushed it back in return that they'll get more time to question him in congress. or are we going to see continued slippage, last-minute objections from the white house or doj trying to derail this altogether? two, the affordable care act argued last week in the court of appeals. is it going to get overturned? if it does, it's going to the supreme court. will jeffrey epstein be locked up pending trial? i know judge berman.
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he's very fair and tough on bail. i do not think the judge berman lets him out. >> eli honig, thank you. you can submit your questions by heading to cnn.com/opinion. conditions inside migrant detention centers remain under scrutiny. just ahead, a new independent investigator who will be allowed inside to see how children are being treated at the border. you're live in the "cnn newsroom." don't go anywhere. in this clifs brown rice syrup? which is just another name for sugar. this kind bar's first ingredient is almonds. which is just another name for... almonds. look inside this kind wrapper and you'll see wholesome ingredients like heart healthy nuts. with the taste of delicious dark chocolate. and only 5 grams of sugar... that's 75% less sugar than the leading clif bar. so you can be kinder to yourself... and others. be kind to yourself.
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explain. >> the congressional voting numbers of kamala harris, sanders, warren. biden looks very much like the democrats who helped the democrats win back the house in 2018, more middle of the road. sanders, harris, warren are very to the left of that. more liberal candidates struggle. that is, the further you are from the ideological center, the harder time you have of winning. that doesn't mean that harris, sanders, warren, can't win, it's just harder chance of winning. >> match-up between the president and joe biden, biden polling much higher than trump in that hypothetical. and sanders, harris and warren are shown as beating trump but not as strongly because of independents, white voters and people in the suburbs. how much weight would you put on this, given how far out we are? >> look, we are a long ways a y
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away. i wish election day were around the corner because i love elections so much. polls are going to shift a lot from now until the election. the polling tells us a few things that are important. number one, trump is not number two, what's important, exactly what i just described. not that the other candidates decide that joe biden can't win a general election, just that they tend to do it a little bit worse. that's what we expect, given history and they're further from the ideological center. >> you look at that poll and compare to a similar one back in 2011, trump was faring worse than barack obama was in his re-election. what's your take on that? >> number one, we're still a long ways away. so much durch from obama, what you saw say obama versus romney was it went like this, right? it was wavy. it fluctuated. trump, we've seen his approval rating stay the same over and over and over again. it's right around 43, 44%.
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six months ago, same thing. a year ago, same thing. obama's approval rating tended to move around. these why general election polls tell us more than they might in a traditional year because president trump's approval rating simply hasn't moved. people have determined how they feel about him and that seems to be the guiding course. >> how do you see his racist tweets fitting into this re-election strategy? >> i get why he's doing it. he has done this all along. it kind of makes sense. in terms of a political strategy, it's a piss-poor one. the reason people approve of him overwhelmingly, we agree with him on the issues, not personal character. if you look at the reason why people disapprove of the president of the united states not because of the issues, because they disagree with him on his personal characteristics and a tweet like that this morning plays right into that. >> he won't get any new supporters. >> exactly right. he has 90% of the republican
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base, 90% of the republican base is not enough to win a general election in the united states, in 2018 when republicans won 91% of republican identifiers won the vast majority of those who approved of trump's job performance but disapproved of the job that the president has been doing and that lost them. >> harry enten, thank you. >> i talked fast but i hope they koom out smooth enough. >> indeed, they do. i wish i had the same gift of gab. thank you. >> thank you. our new cnn original series, don't miss it, the movies. it tuns tonight. and this week is the '90s. get behind the scenes from the movies you love tonight at 9:00 here on cnn. we'll be look back. switch? ed a few moro 1. do you like netflix? sure you do. that's why it's on us. 2. unlimited data. use as much as you want, when you want.
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go back to the totally broken and crime-infested places in which they came, adding you can't leave fast enough. for the record, three of these congress members were born in the u.s., all of them are u.s. citizens and duly elected officials. the president's message is clear, if you aren't white, aren't welcome. on these i.c.e. raids, paul, to be clear, rounding up undocumented immigrants in baltimore. what are you hearing there on the west coast? >> well, we are outside a detention facility. it's not only what we're hearing, we did not see any increased facility at an incht c.e. detention facility. in talking to activists, they say they've not heard or seen anything, any ramped-up activity. you may know we had the same discussion two weeks ago. here in los angeles, they view the threatened raids with extreme cynicism and

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