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>> hello, french, i'm fredricka whitfield in for kate bolduan. at any moment we will hear from house speaker nancy pelosi. she will be talking to reporters after her meeting with alexandria ocascio-cortez since their private feud went public. the speaker said earlier the meeting went well and tweeted out a picture of them together right there. we expect pelosi to also answer questions about the democrats' path forward on impeachment after the mueller hearings. at least 96 house democrats are calling for it, but pelosi is still hesitant to give it the green light and is leaving it up to other democrats to do their own thing. cnn's lauren fox and jason carroll are on capitol hill. so lauren, let me begin with you. what are you hearing this morning on the impeachment fight and the next steps democrats are preparing to take to court? >> well, house judiciary committee chairman jerry nadler plans to go to court today to try to enforce a subpoena to get
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that underlying grand jury information related to the mueller report. then next week, he said he could go to court again to try to enforce the subpoena to get don mcgahn to testify before congress. so clearly the the court is a very strategy for democrats. earlier he talked about what he wants to accomplish. >> when we win, and we will win the court fight because the legal excuses the white house has been using are extraordinarily week from a legal point of view. it will open up the flood gates to enforce all the subpoenas and get all the testimony because they're all the same nonsense legal arguments. >> and democrats still very divided over the question of impeachment with more than 90 democrats supporting moving forward with opening an impeachment inquiry. but of course nancy pelosi holding firm on that position that she doesn't think it's the right time and democrats going home for a six-week recess, whether or not anyone moves on this issue, whether they can
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come back to capitol hill united, it's still an open question. fredricka. >> and again, at any moment now we are to here from the house speaker nancy pelosi. jason, you've been following congresswoman alexandria ocascio-cortez. what more are you hearing from the expectations about this meeting. >> well, ocascio-cortez went into this meeting with a couple of goals. namely she wanted to make sure that there was an open line of communication. she also wanted to make sure that everyone was on the same page when it comes to the major issues here. in terms of what happened during that meeting, as soon as the speaker came out of it, she said it went well. she was also asked if the two were able to resolve some of their differences, to which the speaker replied i didn't know that we had that many differences. clearly they did. otherwise we wouldn't have had the meeting that we saw here today. the speaker for her part, she also tweeted about what happened after the meeting and she said the following in her tweet, she said today congresswoman representative aoc and i sat down to discuss working together
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to meet the needs of our districts and our country. fairness is our economy and diversity in our country. she also tweeted out a picture that you see there of the two of them as well. ocascio-cortez, as you know, fredricka, is a prolific tweeter, but we haven't seen her tweet anything at all since this meeting. in fact, we've tried to run her down as we were here trying to get any sort of insight in how the meeting went. she sort of dodged our cameras. so it's very clear that they want one message going forward and that message is going to come from the speaker when she gives her briefing in just a few minutes. >> all right. jason, lauren, thank you so much. in fact, house speaker pelosi is talking right now, particularly about election security. let's listen in. >> on other issues that mr. mueller testified to as well. yesterday on steps of the capitol, perhaps you were there, we celebrated the 200 days of
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progress that we are making for the american people, building on our promise to the american people for the people in the election. lower health care costs. by lowering the cost of prescription drugs, we sent the senate ten bills to lower health care costs and prescription drug prices, reverse the gop's sabotage of the health care and strengthen the preexisting conditions benefits. lower health care costs, bigger paychecks by building the infrastructure of america in a green and modern way. we secured paycheck fairness by equal pay for equal work which we passed in the house. we're raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour. over $30 million people will get a raise in our country. over 20 million of them are women. and as we've passed other initiatives in our appropriations process and the rest to build the infrastructure
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of america. lower health care costs, bigger paychecks, cleaner government, clean up corruption and reduce the role of big dark money in washington. we passed hr-1 for the people. we will be passing the voting rights act and that is part of that, as well as we did pass the safe act. and we really do call upon the senate to pass a version of the safe act to protect our elections. we go out now for our district work period. democrats intend in august to make so many of the bills we passed too hot to handle for the republicans in the senate, not to raise the minimum wage or end gun violence by common sense gun violence prevention measures. equal pay for equal work. the list goes on and on. but we're very, very proud of the work that our members have done. we will be across the country, a
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drum beat across america, lower health care costs, bigger paychecks, cleaner government. and with that, i'll be pleased to take any questions. >> reporter: when you were becoming speaker again for a second time, you once said that you want to show americans that the power of the gavel. some have been critical and said that here you are, a san francisco representative known as someone who is very liberal, yet not fully using the gavel for some of the top liberal priorities, starting with impeachment, and then some of the others. what we saw on the homeland security bill. what do you say to those who are critical of what has been done so far in the house? >> well, as you probably are aware, republicans had 137,000
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ads in their view criticizing me as a san francisco liberal. in my view, i'm very proud. nothing is a bigger honor to me than to represent san francisco in the congress. and i say any of my colleagues, speaker, leader, whip, whatever it has been over time cannot match the privilege of walking on the floor of the house to speak for the people of san francisco. and i do that for them. as speaker, i have to bring unity to our caucus, and to do so with the boldest common denominator in our caucus. i say to the members your job description and your job title are one and the same, representative. and i consider myself a weaver, just at the loom, just making all of those threads come together in the boldest possible way.
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and i'm very proud of being the speaker of the house and in doing so in the boldest way. and what we are advocating is a progressive agenda for our country. >> reporter: in the aftermath of the mueller hearing, you said that you wanted to focus on what you're doing in the courts. now, some of your democratic colleagues believe you're simply trying to run out the clock on impeachment. are you trying to run out the clock? >> no, i'm not trying to run out the clock. let's get sophisticated about this, okay. okay? >> reporter: how long do you think the court fights will take? >> we will proceed when we have what we need to proceed. not one day sooner. and everybody has the liberty and the luxury to espouse their own position and to criticize me for trying to go down the path in the most determined positive way. again, their advocacy for impeachment only gives me leverage. i have no complaint with what they are doing.
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but i know mueller -- i keep calling him special counsel mueller. mr. mueller said the other day, confirmed, confirmed in the public mind, that the president has obstructed justice. you know what he said. if he could have exonerated him, he would have. he didn't. but he was not able to investigate the president's finances, personal business or otherwise, and that is what we are doing in the courts. so i'm willing to take whatever heat there is there to say the decision will be made in a timely fashion. this isn't endless. and when we have the best, strongest possible case -- and that's not endless either. it may be endless in terms of the violations of the law that the president has engaged in. but that's what i say to you. >> reporter: >> reporter: mad am speaker, do you think you are able to bury
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the hatchet with congresswoman ocascio-cortez in your meeting? >> i don't think there was ever any hatchet. >> reporter: she called you disrespectful. >> i have some level of confidence and actually joy in seeing diversity in our caucus. we are the democratic party. ever since i came here, we have been engaged in differences of opinion in our caucus, and that is a good thing. we are not a lock step, rubber stamp representation of anything except representatives of our district and what that means. so in our caucus we have our differences, respect that instead of making a big issue of it. respect that. those are our differences and how we express ourselves as representatives of our districts is our responsibility.
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actually, yesterday we had 219 votes for the bill. is anybody asking any questions about that? 219, a very unified caucus in doing what we needed to do for the american people, even though it was a compromise. i certainly wanted more. but it was a compromise. when we win the white house and we win the united states senate and we continue to win the house of representatives, then we'll have more leverage in that conversation. but i don't think -- i would never even say that it was a hatchet. but i do think that we sat down today. we had a good meeting. and the congresswoman is a very gracious member of congress, so we had a very positive conversation about our districts and how we represent our country and how we need to meet the needs, the diversity of america
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and the challenges we face in terms of issues and how immigration and people are respected. i again referenced ronald reagan as opposed to the current occupant of the white house. so i feel -- i've always felt -- again, just like you're in a family. in a family you have your differences. but you're still family. does your family always agree on everything? >> reporter: and sometimes we have meetings to clear the air. >> you do have meetings with your family? oh, my goodness. you may be a model for the rest of us. we just had a meeting to clear the air. >> reporter: what are your differences, though, with congresswoman ocascio-cortez? >> i'm not going to go into that. >> reporter: you have a diverse caucus. >> when i came to congress, the fight was on how we deal with what was happening in central america. who would become speaker
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eventually -- no, he was speaker when i got here but he would then be the leader in the fight. our caucus was divided on the subject. shortly thereafter it was nafta, very big division in the caucus. before your time, very big division on nafta. and then the war in iraq, differences of opinion. as you know -- you may not know, a ranking member. i was adam schiff at the time. i was the top democrat. we didn't have the majority. and i said the intelligence did not support the threat. they said you're calling the president a liar. i said i'm not calling him a liar, i'm stating the fact. the intelligence does not support the threat that this administration is using as a justification for war. people said to me then -- and i had been in congress over ten years by then, you're never going any place in this party unless you vote for this war. well, i didn't vote for it and a majority of our democrats didn't
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vote for it, and senator graham didn't vote for it who was the senate leader on the intelligence committee. in the house our members by and large voted against the war and they voted for it. that list goes on and on. some personality issues and the rest, they're minor. we have a big schism in our country between what is happening, could happen in this congress and what is happening in the white house. everybody knows we have to keep our eye on the ball. yes, sir. >> reporter: some of your colleagues think leaving impeachment on the table heading into the august recess, some of them have said it looks in decisive and they think it overshadows the agenda. do you think there's a drop dead date on which the caucus has to make a decision? >> i don't agree with what they say. i think i've spoken to what i
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think we need to have on the subject before we go forward. but again, i respect where they are on it with the breadth of knowledge that they have on the subject. >> reporter: speaker pelosi, one more on congresswoman aoc. do you think she better understands the challenges of your job to unify the democratic caucus after this meeting today? >> you would have to ask her. yes, sir. >> reporter: pretty significant gdp revisions saying we did not hit 3% growth the way that many people expected we would. >> and the president bragged that we would. >> reporter: so i would love a bit more of your response to that. and specifically are there any underlying economic factors that most concern you? is there anything there in the data that gives you pause. >> >> i didn't seen all of the data, that it's 2.1. >> reporter: closer to 2.5. >> and the president had used 3%
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as the standard. i do think that our gdp will rise when we have -- when we raise the minimum wage and people have more purchasing power, because these are people who will spend, inject demand into the economy, and therefore our gdp will rise. i think if we had comprehensive immigration reform where everybody is brought into the system in the way that is most productive, economists tell me you want to grow the economy, have comprehensive immigration reform. so how we not just have trickle down to grow our economy, but how we have bubble up. and that is a difference of opinion between our two parties. i think what you saw was that the tax scam that they put out there has not produced the growth that the president was boasting would happen and that
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it hasn't produced the revenue. hence we've had to lift the debt ceiling earlier than maybe people had expected. so that didn't work. it didn't pay for itself and it isn't growing the economy to the extent that the president said it would. and so i think we have to -- instead of giving tax breaks to the top 1%, 83% of the benefits to the top 1%, we should have a more compassionate free market system which rewards work and brings many more people into the prosperity of our country. that consumer confidence, that spending, that injecting demand i think will accelerate the growth of our gdp. thank you all very much. thank you. >> just ahead, a 46-day long august recess, house speaker nancy pelosi covering a number
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of items. but really trying to conclude that there is a unity in her caucus. she says i have confidence and joy in the diversity of our caucus. they are a very unified caucus. however, we know that there are differing opinions as to how to proceed on impeachment proceedings, particularly following the muelle report and the mueller testimony. we know that 96 democrats want to proceed and the house speaker there saying we won't proceed until we have what we need to proceed. mr. mueller confirmed the president has obstructed justice, but was not able to investigate the president's finances and we will do that in the courts. so let's talk more about all of this and her meeting with congresswoman alexandria ocascio-cortez. joining me right now, politico reporter daniel litman. so the speaker really trying to solidify a few things. her position on the unification of the caucus, her meeting which
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she said was very good with the congresswoman alexandria ocascio-cortez, and then just saying it's too early to be talking about impeachment. why is this so important for her to do this just ahead of this recess? >> i think she's trying to set the tone and put impeachment on the back burner as people go home and congressmen talk to their constituents, and i don't think that there is going to be a great push on those congress members in the democratic caucus who have not endorsed impeachment to actually get on that impeachment train, because mueller's testimony was pretty weak in persuading more americans to support this. this is not something a majority of americans support yet, and nancy pelosi knows that impeachment is not going to go anywhere in the senate and could only hurt her party right now in the 2020 elections. >> daniel, we heard our manu raju who asked the question about whether or not house speaker nancy pelosi was trying
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to run out the clock. manu is joining us right now. manu, she was quite defiant on the inference that she was running out the clock. instead really trying to press that she's being thorough as the house speaker. >> reporter: no question about it. i asked that question because i have heard that concern being raised bid her own members of the house democratic caucus, that the current strategy will not lead to an impeachment proceeding. those are people who have been agitating to open up an impeachment probe because they are headed to a six-week recess and afterwards we get into the -- there's not much time left before 2020 when we get into the thick of the 2020 campaign season. and doing anything controversial is very difficult for members of congress to do in the campaign season. so the belief is that the window is essentially closing and the certain that some democrats have is the current course is investigate and have court fights and they could take some time and perhaps the term of
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donald trump's preps presidency. so i tried to ask her are you trying to run out the clock and she said no. and you mentioned she did get irritated by that question, saying were there more sophisticated questions that can be asked. i want to get a sense from her how long does she anticipate these court fights playing out. she said she is -- is not endless. what does that mean for her? another reporter asked her do you have a drop dead time to making a decision on impeachment. she said she did not go there. so she's trying to make the case that impeachment is not off the table. her current course of action is to try to get information. she even made a comment that folks who are pushing for an impeachment give her more leverage, so it was an interesting comment there. but nevertheless, she leaves her current course is working, but some of her members believe if she do want to be more aggressive, want to pursue
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impeachment, the time is running short and there are moments in this country when the country is paying attention. like in the aftermath of the mueller hearing and after the mueller report came out. jerry nadler for one has privately made the case i'm told that those moments are there for you to essentially seize upon, which would give you a good argument to open up an impeachment proceeding. and some are worried they're missing those moments. pelosi is not there. she believes the current strategy is working, but suggesting that perhaps impeachment could come but just down the line. >> manu raju, thank you so much. so joining me right now democratic congresswoman steve cohen of tennessee. he's on the judiciary committee that questioned robert mueller and wants to push forward on an impeachment inquiry, and then of course your chairman said earlier today that he believes it's a winning strategy, they'll be able to through the courts get all the subpoenas that they want. so what is your reaction to house speaker pelosi's approach here in that she's not trying to run out the clock? >> house speaker pelosi is a
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great speaker, a zen master. i don't know exactly where she's coming from. >> what do you mean by that? >> she's just real good working with people and issues. she just knows how to bring it to the right spot. that's a good thing, to be a zen master. i wish i were. but i think we should go forward with impeachment, because i think as we bring out the facts in an impeachment inquiry about the violations and about what mr. mueller helped us see that was in the report about obstruction of justice and the other things he's done against the constitution, the attacks on the press and attacks on judiciary and different racial groups, that the american public will warm to impeachment and be in favor of it. but i think you have to have the hearings and i don't think the senate -- if the senate doesn't vote for it that's their fault. i think the hearings were very good. it was six congresspeople came out for impeachment. the papers immediately wrote afterwards only one congressman came out, so it was a failure.
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six finally did come out. that puts us over 100. i think the hearings were important and positive and the american people saw their president as a lawless president who tried to obstruct justice and allowed the russian to say interfere with our elections and didn't fight back or report it to the fbi. >> congressman, the house speaker says that this is a very unified caucus. however, you have some members who say let's take a more aggressive approach. we have everything we need in which to proceed with impeachment. and then there are others, including house speaker pelosi who have a more passive approach who say let's go through the courts and then gather more information. i mean, how do you convince your constituents when you go back home that one method is better than the other? >> i don't have to convince my constituents. they're all -- predominantly they're in favor of impeachment and they come up to me on a regular basis and say stay on him, keep your foot on the back of his neck and don't let up. they see trump as being lawless
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and having animus toward african-americans and women and they don't like it. i think when we go home there's two ways to look at this. one way is we're gone for six weeks and trump has the stage and you let him come out of the white house and talk for 20 minutes, then he's going to say exoneration, no collusion, no whatever, i'm tough on the russians. but that's lies. he lies a lot. the fact is it's good for congresspeople to go back and be with their communities and in their districts for six weeks and i think they're going to hear an ear full about the impeachment. >> are you also concerned that you will hear from your constituents who say as members of congress you have sworn to oversight and you're not proceeding after a two-year investigation and after hearing from the special counsel about the assessment from mueller that the president was untruthful, that there were matters of
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obstruction. are you concerned that your constituents are going to say that you're not upholding your end of the deal? >> they'll say that to some people, but in november of 2017 i filed articles of impeachment and they're ready to go. but i've held off on introducing them because i'm working with chairman nadler. i want to work with the caucus and get more members on. we've got 17 co-sponsors last time. we plan to have a lot of co-sponsors this time. we want the water to boil and we're watching it -- the temperature rise. we're not quite at boiling point but we're getting lows. >> congressman steve cohen, thank you so much. >> you're very welcome. >> and still ahead, senator kamala harris rolling out a new plan to spend more than $70 billion to help close the racial wealth gap. how will that shape the conversation with just four days now before the cnn debates in detroit? free wi-fi... ...and the price match guarantee.
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dollars in colleges and universities and black businesses. she explained her plan just a short time ago at the national urban league conference in indianapolis. cnn's national correspondent is there. and we're also joined by tiffany cross, co founder and manager of the beat dc. what is in senator kamala harris's plan? >> well, it's basically a mull tie billion investment in two areas that she says will eventually start to address the root problems of what is known as the racial wealth gap, that black americans don't have the same access to stem fields, they don't have the same access to the entrepreneurial fields. she wants to invest $60 billion into historically black colleges and universities, specifically in the area of stem and then take another $12 billion and boost black entrepreneurship in this country.
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this was part of her prepared remarks and her platform that her campaign is calling her black agenda. but in the question and answer session, she took a question about her prosecutorial record. the question was whether the fact that she was a career prosecutor, if that hurt her in advocating for criminal justice reform. senator harris gave a robust defense of her record. >> i am acutely aware of what is wrong with the system and i made, therefore, a very conscious decision to become a prosecutor. and what i said then is what i maintain today. why do we only have to be on the outside on bend a knee or trying to break down the door? shouldn't we also have a role on the inside where the decisions are being made in a way we can influence the change that must occur? >> reporter: something we did not hear from the senator on stage is joe biden. she didn't talk about the debate. she didn't talk about the former vice president. but as she was walking away from
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the stage, as she was leaving this venue, a reporter did ask her, just shouted out what do you think about joe biden, what do you think about his belief that he's -- i'm paraphrasing here, but essentially are you going to be polite in the debate, and she said i was raised to be polite. fredricka. >> okay. so tiffany, just to follow up on the commitment that kamala harris is making and at the same time the challenge that she is getting as a prosecutor. i mean, that is a constant. that follows her, just as the crime bill with joe biden continues to follow him. but i wonder if the two will end up finding kind of that commonality in being criticized and being ready to defend themselves on those platforms. >> well, i think senator harris is going to have to remind people what was going on. because you're going to have over five million young people who maybe don't remember what was happening in the '90s around
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crime and all they see right now are the negative impacts of that. but i recall when there were a lot of black mothers and grandmothers saying, yes, we need help to clean up our streets. now, there were very negative implications of some of the policy that came out of that time and candidates are going to have to tell that narrative. even though she said it on the stage at the urban league, the urban league is an audience of more business minded people. the same way we aggregate the voters of other colors, it's the same community. she will have to beat this message over and over. if i were advising the campaign, i would advise her to talk to the face of criminal justice. she ought to make him an ally. your colleague van jones has been out in front. she could get involved with the a$ap rocky situaton to highlight that she is a friend to the black community. because there has been a lot of misinformation out there about her record that i think she needs validaters to help her
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spread the message. >> so days ahead of the next debate, the cnn debate with democrats there, joe biden still goes in crushing the competition. a new monmouth university pole of democrats in south carolina showing biden 39%, harris 12%. and you see the rest there. the numbers are coming as democratic presidential candidates get ready to tee up for that debate. so biden has said no more mr. nice guy. he is going to be unleashing, if he has to. but clearly to avoid another versus harris kind of debate stage moment. why would punching down work when you look at how high he is in the polling? >> reporter: the impression that i'm getting is not that he's punching down, per se. it's that he is ready to attack daily, that he is on the defense. that he's not going to take this rose garden policy of just
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standing back and trying to rise above it all. that he realizes he has to engage in the day-to-day battles. so that's the impression that he's sending out, that if he is attacked on the stage that he plans on being, quote, not so polite. that he will engage because he has to. that he saw after that first debate that if someone comes directly at him, he's got to be able to respond. >> can i respond? >> go ahead. he was kind of caught flatfooted and he had kind of this engagement with the democrats are not going to attack each other. but now he's essentially sign posting that gloves are off. if you come at me, i'm coming at you, too. >> well, i think this narrative of joe biden being the front-runner when they're quite a ways away from the voting is something the media has pushed. i know there's polling out there to say this. but you also have to consider who is being polled. and then looked at the new voting electorate.
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they don't typically follow a lot of voter data. so i think joe biden realizes this is not necessarily his election to lose. certainly he res natures well with people in south carolina. but this is a very crowded field. you have over two dozen candidates running and i think everybody knows they're going to have to go out and earn the vote. we did see that joe biden looked ill-prepared last debate. certainly he should be prepared for whatever comes after him in this debate. but kamala harris has proven herself to be a for biddable opponent. dagers are going to be out from other opponents. and i just want to caution people that these are very serious issues they're discussing. these are serious things and kamala harris and joe biden will not be the only candidates on the stage and i really encourage voters to look at policies put out by all the candidates. >> and it might be the last ditch effort for some in that field to really stand out, so they might really be coming out punching unexpectedly because
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the polling has them at the bottom, but they have even more to prove to really get out in front. all right. tiffany, thank you so much. appreciate it. and of course you don't want to miss two big nights, the cnn democratic presidential debate, tuesday and wednesday live from detroit only on cnn. coming up, 16 u.s. marines arrested on charges ranging from human smuggling to drugs. we'll have the latest on that next. and they'll say, "grandpa just tell us about humpty dumpty". and you'll say, "he broke his pelvis or whatever, now back to my creamy heinz mayonnaise". heinz mayonnaise, unforgettably creamy. but dad, you've got allstate. with accident forgiveness they guarantee your rates won't go up just because of an accident. smart kid. indeed. are you in good hands?
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new details now on the 16 u.s. marines facing charges that include human smuggling and drug related offenses. the arrest yesterday at camp pendleton in california came one day after the u.s. military took the rare step of sending home an entire elite team of navy seals from iraq due to allegations related to alcohol use: joining us is barbara starr. barbara, what is the military saying about these two nonrelated but equally disturbing. >> not related, of course, but these are very high profile incidents. the u.s. military knows that this gets the public's attention
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and they know substantively that they need to deal with this. it is raising questions certainly in both cases with leadership and whether troops really are understanding the ethics and morals training that they have and that obeying the law is not just an option. so the marines, this grew out of a previous investigation where two marines were arrested for smuggling undocumented migrants across the border. now yesterday 16 additional marines taken into custody at morning roll call at camp pendleton, and another eight under questioning also for drug use. on the seals, they were sent home. there are allegations of a very serious sexual assault impacting that unit. they were questioned about it and that is when they uncovered that the seals will also been drinking alcohol, which is against military regulations in the war zone, of course. so a lot to be looked at here by
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investigators and by leadership. >> and admiral kirby, do you think this is just coincidental or indicative of something larger or much more troubling within the us military? >> i wouldn't be surprised to see senior military leaders asking themselves some larger broader questions about discipline in the ranks as a result of these and other recent incidents. that's typical for military leaders to do that. they do a lot of introspection in the higher level of the ranks. that said, fred, i would be very surprised if there's any connection between these two incidents in terms of the larger moral ethical issue in the military or that there has to be some sort of systemic change to deal with it. they are just allegations right now. we have to let the justice system play itself out. >> yes, these are allegations, when you when you talk about top brass potentially coming together, aren't these at least how the allegations are spelled out. isn't it just common sense behavior, and expectation of
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these u.s. troops? >> sure. look, the uniform code of military justice is very clear and concise and the behavior that's alleged here obviously is overtly wrong on its face. and it's in conceivable to me that troops wouldn't know that going into deployment into the middle east or even just acting here domestically inside the united states. so clearly these are very obvious violations of that code. but i want to get back to one thing that barbara said about trust and confidence. one of the ways that the military will help to ensure public trust and confidence is by treating these as seriously as they are, by letting the justice system play it out and having them fully investigated and having these marines and these seals the chance to defend themselves inside the process. all of that helps go i think to restoring and to completing american trust and confidence in the armed forces. >> admiral john kirby, barbara starr. thanks to both of you. up next, a shocking photo.
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three ole miss students holding guns in front of a sign meant to honor lynching victim emmet till. why the university is choosing mot to take action coming up. ♪
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a shocking and deeply upsetting image. three ole miss fraternity brothers posing with guns at the emmitt till memorial. in this photo the students are seen standing beside the sign which appears to be riddled with bullet holes. it's not clear if they are connected to that damage, meaning the three. cnn has reached out to the students, but has yet to make contact. emmitt till was just 14 years old when he was kidnapped, beaten and killed in 1955, his body thrown into the river where the memorial sign remains today. till was killed after a white woman claimed he whistled at her. martin savidge is in oxford, mississippi. martin, what is the latest in the investigation and what could
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come from this? >> yeah, this photograph without a doubt has sparked a lot of outrage and may also spark a federal investigation when it comes to the justice department. but it hasn't really brought about any significant action on the part of the university of mississippi. they did come forward this morning and identify two of the men who are in the photograph. one of them they say is currently enrolled as a junior at the university. the other they say is no longer a student. the third person they don't identify at all. there was another statement put out pby the university. the university lenders of the image in march through a report to its bias incidence report team and referred the matter to university police. that's right when i lost it. and then it is back and says that while that image is offensive, it did not present a violation of the university code of conduct. it occurred off campus and was not part of a university-affiliated event. in other words, they're saying there's not much the university
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believes that they can do. the fraternity to which these men belong did take action and they have basically banned them from that fraternity. they issued a statement and their statement said to the point that the photo is inappropriate, insensitive and unacceptable. it does not represent our chapter and that is the kappa alpha fraternity from which they have now been suspended. whether there's going to be a federal investigation, that's still to be determined. >> martin savidge in oxford, mississippi, thank you so much for that. still to come, house speaker nancy pelosi fires back at her democratic critics, saying she's not trying to run out the clock on impeaching president trump. more, coming up. first, every week we honor everyday people doing extraordinary work to help others. but becoming a cnn hero all begins with a nomination from you. >> i met my hero when we were volunteering. he's making a big difference. >> there you go. >> for kids in our area. >> she is my second mom.
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