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a very good wednesday morning to you. i'm jim sciutto in new york. >> and i'm poppy harlow live in detroit. it is a beautiful wednesday morning and a big night again tonight because we're getting closer to the second round of the crucial second debate here exclusively on cnn. the debate hall inside the fox theater behind me is set. it is ready to go. joe biden and kamala harris will take center stage in a rematch after the two sparred if their first debate. harris hit biden hard on civil
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rights. biden vows this time he will not be as polite. his team says he will punch back. harris will be joined by a full field of contenders ready to go after the front runner tonight. that's right, jim. >> and last night, lines clearly drawn between moderates and progressives within the democratic party. bernie sanders and elizabeth warren avoiding any clashes with each other, instead pushing back on ideas that their policies are too pie in the sky. >> i think democrats win when we run on real solutions, not impossible promises. when we run on things that are workable, not fairy tale economics. >> i don't understand why anybody goes to all the trouble of running for president of the united states just to talk about what we really can't do and shouldn't fight for. >> medicare for all is comprehensive. it covers all health care needs for senior citizens. it will finally include dental care, hearing aids, and eyeglasses. second of all -- >> you don't know that, bernie. >> we'll come to you in a
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second, congressman. >> i wrote the damn bill. >> a couple big applause lines there. joining us now, cnn's phil mattingly, who's inside the debate hall. warren and sanders ready for the criticism, aligned in lock step last night. at the end of the day, they're splitting the progressive vote. it's not something that can last practically. >> yeah, one of the big questions going into the night was given the fact that they are so ideologically aligned, would they start to draw contrast with one another. instead, what you saw was kind of an informal nonaggression pact of them defending their priorities, their policies, their policies that go much further than a lot of other individuals on the stage against those individuals. what you saw essentially was the fault lines play out in realtime, laid bare, the aspirational verse the realism, if you will. those who want to go big and go bold verse those who believe that that's not going to work in the current political system. and it was a back and forth that really underscored where the democratic primary and where the
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democratic party is right now on several issues, whether it was health care or climate change. the progressives, bernie sanders and elizabeth warren, made clear that their proposals are the proposals despite the criticism and attacks from folks inside their own party that can work. take a listen to how elizabeth warren framed health care. >> we can create a universal health care system to give everyone basic health care for free, and i have a proposal to do it. but we don't have to go around and be the party of subtraction and telling half the country who has private health insurance that their health insurance is illegal. >> let's be clear about this. we are the democrats. we are not about trying to take away health care from anyone. that's what the republicans are trying to do. >> and guys, i think it's important to note the importance of last night actually laying out for viewers, for voters, for primary voters particularly where everybody stands is invaluable at this point in time because it's a fight within the democratic party, whether the motivation of progressive
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priorities inside the base is what's going to win a general election or whether the realism, if you will, from some of the more moderate members inside the party could win in a more effective manner. that's playing out in realtime, and we're going to see more of that tonight. >>. >> all right. so let's talk about tonight, phil. obviously we're looking at harris and biden, but cory booker, man, those tweets. sounds like he's going to come on strong against biden as well. >> yeah, no one is making any secret that there's a massive target on the former vice president's back. and the vice president is keenly aware of that as well. he and his team have made clear that unlike the first debate performance in miami where he looked uneven at times, looked unprepared for the attacks, tonight will be a different ball game. but boy, is he going to be tested. if you look behind me, you're going to have joe biden standing straight in the center. to his right and left, kamala harris and cory booker. both have sharpened their attacks, made clear that they want to go after the clear front runner to see where that leads.
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make no mistake about it, if joe biden has a consistent, solid performance tonight, he secures his role as the clear front runner. if he does not, there are very real questions about where this field is head and where the democratic primary may end up as we head towards caucuses and primaries, guys. >> yeah, 100%. all right. it's going to be an exciting one tonight, phil. thank you so much for the reporting. let's talk about all of this. bloomberg reporter is with me. david gurgen, former presidential adviser to four presidents. and also, of course, with us is the lovely angela rye. good morning. let me begin with you, david. you think, yes, a moderate coalition emerged last night. >> i do. >> but what did it tell us about the party? >> i think the moderates found their voice last night. they've been sort of dominated by the progressive wing of the democratic party in much of this early going. >> but did they tell us what they can do?
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were they aspirational? you heard the jab from elizabeth warren. >> i think their can do is to defeat donald trump. what they believe and believe very strongly is if the democratic party winds up being for open borders, decriminalizing, and then giving benefits to people who come across, if the democratic party stands for new taxes on health care and new taxes on climate, they're going to lose the election. >> angela, david makes a good point because dana asked bernie sanders that very important question. aren't you incentivizing more people to cross over illegally if you give them free college and free health care? he didn't really have much of an answer. he said we're going to have stronger border protection. that was it then he pivoted there. what struck you the most last night from them in terms of elizabeth warren, bernie sanders versus the moderates. >> let me start with the moderates. i normally always agree with you, mr. gurgen. i couldn't disagree more though. i think to me, the moderates showed up to fight, but they didn't show up with solutions. elizabeth warren's response to
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them, i can't imagine why we would be running for president and not be having some grandiose ideas. we need something radical to push back against the current agenda that's in the white house. so that's what i saw. elizabeth warren didn't just show up to fight. she showed up to demonstrate she has solutions and she has the policy gravitas behind that. >> so on that, if you're running bernie sanders' campaign, what are you thinking right now? he's been losing the most liberal voters to harris and elizabeth warren. >> yes, and the reason why you saw it on the stage, there couldn't have been a sharper contrast. bernie sanders came with the same 2016 talking points. he came with the same rally, kind of talking points he brings, but there wasn't as much substance. what elizabeth warren did for him as a tag team partner is let me just put a little meat behind some of these proposals you normally put forward. i think that's what sets her
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apart. my reluctance towards her has been she is such a wonk, i can't get into it. there was a way she delivered that message yesterday that was very approachable and made sense. >> passionate. it was substance and passion. >> yeah, there's no question she's the best debater on stage. there's no question she understands the issues better than anybody. >> let's get this smart guy to my right in. did moderates -- yes, their voice was heard. did they do anything to help their cause last night? >> right, they had their platform. they made their case. john delaney had some moments. steve bullock had some moments. what i wonder is did they add any votes to their coalition? the real rivals are joe biden and kamala harris. >> no one said biden, by the way. >> no one even brought him up. and the voters looking at biden right now as their standard bearer for the moderate candidate, are they going to look at bullock and delaney and
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saying i'm going to switch to them? i actually talked to bernie sanders' campaign manager after this. he said there will be plenty of time for contrasts down the road. they're going to go after each other in some form or fashion because there are differences between sanders and warren. >> but not yet. >> she calls herself a capitalist. he calls himself a democratic socialist. he's broad strokes. she's deep in the weeds on policy. she wa she wants to eliminate the senate filibuster. >> they tried to stay far away o than capitalism question. she could have gone there and didn't. it was a very white stage last night, angela. tonight will be a more diverse stage. hearing marianne williamson speak about race the way she did and deep, dark forces and 40 acres in a mule and 200 to 500 billion in reparations and hearing the way that pete buttigieg answered the question
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on race and with that message to republicans, what did you take away from that? and was it enough? >> no, it's not enough. i think the reality of it is it can't just be one question in a debate either. i think tonight what we have to look forward to is joe biden being pressed on his black agenda. every other candidate besides the moderates, which also i think is very telling and damning, has some type of black agenda and has spoken directly to that. pete boouuttigieg has a douglas plan. the fact that joe biden has said, i don't just have a black agenda, i have an agenda for all americans, is going to be problematic, particularly when you take into consideration what his role has been with the crime bill and with what happened with anita hill. >> we have cedric richmond on in a little bit. >> yeah, hey, cedric. yes, yes. >> congressional black caucus. now he's one of the top guys on joe biden's team.
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but what does interest me is i think joe biden's team is looking at these numbers heading into tonight where in a critical state like south carolina, he has 51% of the african-american democratic vote right now. kamala haris has 12, cory booker has 2. i don't know if that's giving them a lot of confidence going into tonight on this front. >> absolutely. and i do think he needs to be very responsive to the agendas for african-americans, the agendas for empowering women and the like. at the same time, if joe biden goes over and joins forces with elizabeth warren and bernie sanders, people are going to wonder, what is it you really believe? >> he said over my dead body is obamacare going away. >> i think he's got to delineate himself from those proposals and tell us very importantly what he believes. it can't be enough just to attack. i totally agree with that. it's got to be what he believes. he's got to have his own agenda. >> what are you looking for tonight? >> health care. i think it's going to dominate again, much as it dominated last night. i know the biden campaign loves
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the contrast between his plan, which is building on the affordable care act, and kamala harris, who recently came out with her own plan that splits the difference between single payer -- >> kind of confusing though. from what i'm hearing from a lot of pundits and just voters, they're confused. >> but part of the reason why they're confused is because they haven't read the plan. they read talking points. >> for the first ten years, it essentially builds on the aca, allows the buy-in. after the first ten years, it's a different system. everyone is in medicare but it maintains private insurance through the medicare advantage program. that's the centerpiece of the harris program. she was clearly uncomfortable with the idea of eliminating private insurance. she's tripped up on that question on this network before. this is an attempt for her to shield herself from that. >> okay. we'll be watching. do you want last point? >> the big issue right now for joe biden is can he recover from all the stumbling? if he doesn't do that, the rest of this doesn't matter. >> no more my time is up. that's not going to happen. that's the one guarantee i give
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you guys about tonight, that that's not going to happen. thank you, one and all. so nice to have you come back. okay. so still to come, this. >> i think if you're going to force americans to make these radical changes, they're not going to go along. throw your hands up, but you haven't -- oh, i can do it. >> caption that, all right. that was all over twitter last night. that was one of several moments where former colorado governor john hickenlooper sparred with senator bernie sanders. governor hickenlooper will join me next. plus, it is set to be a hi high-stakes nights a former vice president joe biden takes the stage. could another rough debate performance hurt his standing in the polls? behr presents: a job well done. ♪ painting be done... and stay done.
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let's see, aleve is than tylenol extra strength. and last longer with fewer pills. so why am i still thinking about this? i'll take aleve. aleve. proven better on pain. all right. welcome back to detroit. i'm poppy harlow. debate night two now just hours away. debate night one in the books. take a look at this big moment last night. >> the policies of this notion that you're going to take private insurance away from 180
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million americans who many of them don't want to get rid of it, some do, but many don't. or the green new deal, make sure every american is guaranteed a government job if they want. that is a disaster. you might as well fedex the election to donald trump. >> fedex the election to the president. with me now, the man who had that line, former colorado governor john mickehickenlooper. thank you for being here. i know you guys were up almost all night. so your hope, you told jake yesterday, you wanted to open up more about who you are. you are a guy from pennsylvania. your dad worked in the steel industry. do you feel like in the face of the front runner, who's joe from scranton, the american people got to know you a little better last night? >> a little, but it's in increments. certainly everyone wants more time in those situations. as i told my wife, you can only answer the questions they ask you. >> we like it when you answer the questions we ask you.
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oftentimes you guys don't. but yes, that is always the goal. i want you to listen to two of the front runners on the stage last night. this really struck me. here's elizabeth warren and bernie sanders. >> you know, i don't understand why anybody goes to all the trouble of running for president of the united states just to talk about what we really can't do and shouldn't fight for. [ cheers and applause ] >> i get a little bit tired of democrats afraid of beiig ideas. >> i've heard some people here tonight. i almost wonder why you're democrats. you seem to think there's something wrong about using the instruments of government to help people. >> do you think they have a point? that democrats like yourself should be more aspirational, should shoot for the moon more? you call yourself a pragmatic progressive, sir. >> well, my argument is and still is a pragmatist doesn't mean you don't have big ideas. it means you know how to figure out how to get them done.
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we got to near universal health care coverage in colorado, but we didn't do it by throwing the old system out, baby and bath water altogether. we did it by being strategic and innovative. i think that's the key here. if we're going to address climate change or the inflation in health care, we've got to look at how do we get real results quickly. >> so then is senator elizabeth warren and senator bernie sanders, are they being disingenuous about what they can actually do? >> i don't think they're being disingenuous. they clearly believe what they're saying. >> but you don't think they can do it. >> i disagree. when i'm in iowa, when i'm in new hampshire or south carolina and i'm telling people, well, you know, you probably have to give up your private insurance, people flip, like that. when you tell people that part of the green new deal is a guarantee for social justice but a guarantee that every american can have a government job, people look at me like i'm crazy. >> i'd like to spend time talking about socialism versus
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capitalism. you got booed in california when you said socialism is not the answer. but you stood up for that strongly. a little before that, a few months before that, you were asked three times on another network if you were a proud capitalist. you wouldn't say it. i mean, capitalism is the reason you've succeeded in business the way you have. so today, are you a proud capitalist, governor? >> i am a capitalist. when i was first asked that question, i was really focused on the difference between being an entrepreneur, a small business owner, and a capitalist who's usually thought of as larger scale. i think of myself as a small business person. that's really what i did. i started a restaurant after i god la got laid off as a geologist. >> i ask you that because i wonder if it is increasingly scary for democratic candidates for the presidency to say they're proud capitalists. >> the word has gotten a negative connotation, but i don't worry about that. the bottom line is we can't
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demonize business. if we're serious about dealing with climate change, if we're really going to focus on controlling costs in health care, we've got to get -- and not just the health care insurance companies. we've got to get all business supporting us. >> straight answer here, because you only answer the questions i ask, right, sir? is bernie sanders, when it comes to the pharmaceutical industry and health care industry, is he demonizing business in america? >> i think in a more general way, he's demonizing business. both he and senator warren are consistently saying the problem is business. it's this business, that business. they generally -- they're careful to try and tackle only every large business. every large business started as a small business. every small business wants to get larger. >> that's a big statement. you're saying that those two front runners on the stage last night are demonizing business and that is bad for america. >> i think it's going to make it hard for them to win an election. >> you do. so you don't think bernie sanders or elizabeth warren could beat donald trump right
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now? you know his statement this morning from the campaign, same radical message. can they bet donald trump in a earlier? >> i think -- you know, donald trump is such, i view, a failure as a president. we had to address russia, but not with a tariff war. that was so crazy. so i think he's beatable by anybody. >> you mean china? >> i'm sorry, china. >> that's okay. >> but i think it's the sleep deprivation we all have this morning. >> i get it. >> i think they would have a harder time beating him than someone like myself. >> can they beat him? >> yeah, they can beat him. >> okay. let's talk finally about joe biden. so again, two guys from pennsylvania, two moderates, even though i know that's not the label you give yourself. how do you convince enough voters to give you their money and their support so that you're on the debate stages in the fall when they look at these numbers and they see joe biden more than 30 points ahead of you, governor. what is the story you need to tell? >> well, i've got to get my
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story out and talk about what it was like to -- you know, my mother was widowed twice before she turned 40. i was raised by this powerful, strong woman. i use that to get through some adversity. i got laid off, lost my career, opened a brew pub, succeeded in that dream. what we've done, we've achieved all the things that the other progressives are just talking about, but we did it, and i did it in such a way that, you know -- and i'm a big fan of vice president biden. don't misunderstand this, but he's been in washington for nearly 50 years. i've been a small business owner for 15 years. then i was a mayor for eight years, a governor for eight years. i've seen how business and local government and the federal government, how they come together. that's where the magic is going to happen. if we're going to address climate change, and we can, we have the tools already to deal with it. we've got to be able to come together and do it. >> cnn is hosting a whole town hall just on climate change at the beginning of september. so this is something that matters a whole lot. i really like the advice that your mother gave you.
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she was widowed twice before 40. what was it she said? >> you can't control what life throws at you, but you can control how you respond, whether it makes you stronger or weaker, better or worse. it does. it's a great inspiration for everybody because you're all going to go through hard times. just got to push harder. >> good at vice for all of us. i really appreciate your time this morning. >> good to see you. >> thank you so much. so tonight, another big night. anticipation growing as we count down to the second night of the debates here in detroit. what are we going to see from joe biden, kamala harris? next, we'll talk with the national co-chairman of biden's 2020 campaign. that i won the "best of" i casweepstakes it. and i get to be in this geico commercial? let's do the eyebrows first, just tease it a little. slather it all over, don't hold back. well, the squirrels followed me all the way out to california! and there's a very strange badger staring at me... no, i can't believe how easy it was to save hundreds of dollars on my car insurance with geico. uh-huh, where's the camel? "mr. big shot's" got his own trailer.
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all right. welcome back. we are live in detroit, hours from now the second group of ten candidates will take the stage for round two of cnn's democratic presidential debate. it is a highly anticipated rematch for former vice president joe biden and senator kamala harris. joining them, cory booker, kirsten gillibrand, both clearly planning to take on biden, and his response to the increased pressure, i'm in the going to be as polite this time. with me now, louisiana congressman cedric richmond, national co-chairman for the biden 2020 campaign. former chair of the congressional black caucus. good to have you.
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>> thanks for having me. >> feeling good? >> i do. we feel real good about tonight. >> so ten candidates on the stage last night. 2 1/2 hours, not one mentioned biden. what did you make of that? >> there may have been some indirect mentions, but i think everybody saw that senator harris did get a bump, but she went right back down. it's going to take long, sustained, i think, policy to move voters. i think the vice president is very clear now. if punched, he will counterpunch. >> so let's take that one step further. if punched, we know that's coming. he will get punched. will he punch first? is he going to be reactionary, or is he going to punch at people where he thinks there's a legitimate space for that? >> i think he may highlight some policy differences. i would not expect him to do that. he's made a commitment that he's not going to tear down democrats because trump is the real enemy for lack of a better description. so he's unfit to be president. i think that's where you'll see a lot of the president's focus. >> you think that cory booker is going to hit the vice president
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hardest tonight. what's he going to do about it? and on what specifically? >> well, cory is going to come out. you saw him recently call the vice president the architect of mass incarceration. what cory doesn't do is talk about his own record, where he -- >> in newark. >> right, where he went to new york and got one of rudy giuliani's police officers to come be his police chief. he statutinstituted stop and fr. i don't think he'll get that pass he's been getting on his record. >> except you know from reading his book, which i'm sure you have, that he talks about how he was wrong and how he handled the doj intervention in newark and he really came around and welcomed that. >> i think part of that is convenient history. he did not welcome the doj lawsuit. when the aclu sued, he hit back hard. when the federal government -- when barack obama's federal government and eric holder come in and sue you for a rogue police department, police
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misconduct, the way you treat african-americans, the way you treat black men, and your answer is, this is an overreach by government, that is not a welcoming sign. >> i hear you. at the end, he came around and said, okay, this policy is making us better. let's move on. we'll save that for the debate stage. on the issue of mass incarceration, we heard joe biden say that the idea the crime bill generated mass incarceration, in did not. should he stay away from things like that tonight? because he got slammed for saying that. >> the problem is, i think people don't really know the crime bill. when you talk about progressive ideas, we talk about drug courts. we talk about diversion. >> well, i know he was supportive of billions in more funding for prisons. >> but we put -- he put drug courts in that crime bill. he put diversion there. he put safety valve as a relief to mandatory minimums. here's what happened with the crime bill. prosecutors across the country, that if you were white, you got drug court, diverse, the safety valve. if you were black or poor, you didn't get it.
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so the disparity went far and wide, which is why you see in this new crime bill that he's willing to do pattern and practice investigations into prosecutors' offices. so look, was the bill perfect? >> wait, wait, wait, stop. guess who's a prosecutor. senator kamala harris. is he going to go after her record in california tonight? >> well, i'm not sure. i think it's fair game. >> you don't know? >> no, i don't. i think it's fair game. i think that there are issues there that deserve scrutiny. >> let's talk about the african-american vote. it's looking really good for you guys right now. new monmouth polling out of south carolina shows the vice president has 51% of the african-american democratic voter base. kamala harris has 12. cory booker has 2. bernie sanders has 10. those are good numbers, but are they numbers you need to be careful not to take for granted? because it's early days. >> no, we don't take it for granted, which is why in his education policy you saw him triple money for title i schools. he's for a summer jobs program.
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all of his policy recommendations and his vision is centered on working people. when we talk about working clasclas class, most times people think we're talking about white, working class voters but we're not. we're talking about all working class voters and those that aspire to be in the working class. >> you wactched last night. i wonder what you think of elizabeth warren and bernie sanders and marianne williamson essentially saying shoot for the moon. why are you fellow democrats running on these moderate messages that say what we can't do, not what we can do. how does joe biden respond to that, even not on the same stage? but how does he tell voters, i'm not going to promise you the moon and the stars because you can't get them, but you should still vote for me? >> i love senator warren. i think she's an outstanding person. but she's also in the senate. senator sanders is in the senate. they know full well that we don't have 60 votes to pass medicare for all.
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they know it costs $32 trillion, and they've only identified 16 trillion to pay for it. i don't think there's anything wrong with a candidate saying, look, i'm not going to mislead the american people. this is what i'm going to do. >> waited, are they misleading? does biden think that sanders and warren are misleading intentionally the american people? >> no, i don't know if it's intentional or not, but i know there's $16 trillion they've not identified to pay for medicare for all. it takes people's private insurance. and here's the other thing. with all the candidates on the stage last night, donald trump asks, what do we have to lose when he ran the last time. it got him 13% of african-american male voters. i think what the vice president is going to do is show people what we have to lose. this guy is unfit to serve the american people, just like he was unfit to serve in the military. and i believe that the vice president will show the country what's at stake. his numbers are great. he's beating donald trump handily in the battleground states. i think people are recognizing
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that. we can't lose this race. i don't think the characterization that joe biden wants to go back to the past, that's not true. if you look at his plans, they're far reaching and very, very progressive. >> it's going to be an exciting night. we're looking forward to it. not a lot of sleep in the last few days for anyone. but that's all right. thank you, congressman. i really appreciate it. congressman cedric richmond. still to come, the man the president wants to lead the nation's intelligence community has a history of questioning the intelligence community. the president just said yesterday he would rein it in. how's that going to work? you try hard,
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president trump and a few other administration officials have made a handful of calls to gop senators to talk about the budget deal today. senate leaders are expected to vote on that package as early as today. lawmakers want to avoid the showdown that happened in the house where there was a massive republican uprising against the package. remember, the party in the past has been against big deficit-building budget bills. cnn politics congressional reporter lauren fox is on capitol hill. so does the republican party have the votes for this one? >> well, you know, jim, we expect that this bill will pass, but the biggest question is whether or not they can get at least half of their conference to support it. majority leader mitch mcconnell just a few minutes ago on the senate floor said that they were going to vote in the, quote, near future. does that mean this afternoon, tonight, tomorrow morning? well, that's up for discussion. it's still a little bit unclear.
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but look, the view is that august recess is just around the corner. again, we expect this bill to easily pass. there will be more democratic votes than republican ones, in part because of that question of how much this drives up the debt. a lot of conservatives i've talked to say they have a lot of concerns about that. i talked to one republican who was on the fence yesterday. they said they were leaning towards supporting it, but there are so many colleagues voicing how frustrated they are about this driving up the debt, that this is making it very difficult. they said there's a lot of republican colleagues who are going to vote against it and still hope it passes. that's a little bit of the frustration within the republican conference when it comes to this bill. again, we expect it to pass. it's just a question of how many republican votes it gets and when precisely it gets to the floor. jim? >> used to be deficit hawks. you don't hear that so loudly these days. lauren fox, thank you very much. new remarks have surfaced
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from president trump's nominee to be the next director of national intelligence. the highest ranking intelligence official in the country. republican congressman john ratcliffe pushed the justice department to investigate the role that the agency and the broader intelligence community played in the origins of the russia investigation, a point you've heard the president make many times. cnn's senior national correspondent here with the details. tell us what he said. >> jim, frankly, as you know, this is a huge job, and this is a man about whom not much is known. so we here at cnn have been diving into closed-door transcripting wi transcripts with former obama officials along with john ratcliffe's many, many dozens of appearances on fox news. what we've heard has painted a picture of someone who's in lock step with the president, who is deeply skeptical of the russia investigation, and deeply skeptical of the intelligence community that he has now been
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designated to lead. now, in these comments, he has not used the words like witch hunt and hoax that the president has, but he has repeatedly voiced his skepticism about what the special counsel was doing. he said the investigation was tainted by the early actions of the investigators, and he's also accused the obama administration of potentially committing crimes. let's take a listen to one sound bite from one of his many fox news interviews. >> there was spying. the obama justice department and intelligence community did spy on the trump campaign. the question now that needs to be answered is, was there a predicate for that? this is why the focus needs to shift now to those folks in the intelligence community and at the justice department that made representations that there was probable cause that there was evidence of collusion when, in fact, the special counsel has found that there was not.
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>> so perpetuating there the line from the president that the obama administration spied on his campaign when, in fact, the fbi opened an investigation in the summer of 2016. jim, this of course paints -- shows that -- or highlights the fears of democrats that they're not getting someone who's a political for this very important intelligence role but someone very aligned with the president. >> and a fact check. they determined the special counsel found no evidence. no, determined there was not sufficient evidence to pursue criminal charges. alex, great to have you on the story. thanks very much. democratic 2020 candidate marianne williamson is turning into a social media sensation, becoming the top searched candidate on google. what led to that? we're going to discuss. that's coming up. if your gums bleed when you brush, you may have gingivitis. and the clock could be ticking towards bad breath, receding gums, and possibly... tooth loss. help turn back the clock on gingivitis with parodontax. leave bleeding gums behind.
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jim? who do you think it was? >> marianne williamson, apparently. >> yada-yada-yada. obviously. likely due to stand-out moments like this. >> if you think any of this wo in, kiness is going to deal with this dark psychic force of this collectivized hatred the president is bringing, then i'm afraid the democrats are going to see very dark days. >> that phrase by williamson, dark psychic force, catching the eye of a lot of people. it was trending on social media. joining us now, oliver darcy. so tell us how big a spike you saw for that. i guess i'm curious as well, does that often translate into political support following a debate like this? >> if we're talking about a candidate that generated a lot of online buzz last night, the clear winner is marianne williamson. despite being one of the candidates who received the least amount of speaking time, we tallied it up and outside
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hickenlooper, i believe she was the person that received the least amount of speaking time, she seemed to have generated the most online buzz. google released search results and said she was the most searched candidate during the debate last night, and that stat even becomes more striking when you look at the state-by-state breakdown before the debate. you can see support divided between sanders and warren and buttigieg. after the debate, if we have that map, i think, if you look at it, williamson is dominating every single state except for montana, where of course bullock is governor. so a clear win in terms of generating online buzz on google for williamson last night. i should note this does not mean she's the most supported candidate. people google candidates because they might want to see more about them, learn more about them. really that environment moment she had. but she is the most searched candidate coming out of last night's debate. >> all right. so there's that. and then there's twitter. the most tweeted politician of the night apparently not even on stage. is that right, oliver?
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>> that is right. donald trump was not on stage last night, but he was obviously in the air. he was the most tweeted about u.s. politician last night, according to data that twitter released. another interesting thing was the most tweeted about moment. that came actually when warren shot down delaney and said she could not understand why someone would run for president if they did not want to dream big and somehow what they could do for the american people versus what they could not do. that was the most tweeted about moment in last night's debate, according to twitter. >> and "the bachelorette" final up there as well. >> oh, my gosh, sciutto. is that what you were doing last night? >> i'm not going to make confessions on air. oliver darcy, great to have you on. night one was moderates versus progressives. tonight, the cnn democratic presidential debate may end up being joe biden versus everyone else. our special coverage continues from detroit. let's see, aleve is proven better on pain
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hello, everyone. i'm kate bouldan in detroit. thank you so much for joining me. one down and one to go. think of this, if you will, as your halftime show of sorts. welcome, we're here to entertain. last night we got a good look at the battle lines drawn in the democratic party in what was a high-energy, high-octane debate. it was a clash of progressive versus moderate, and it


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