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this is cnn breaking news. all right, we are in breaking coverage of these horrible attacks that are a reflection of an ugly reality in our country. i'm chris cuomo in el paso. brooke baldwin is in dayton, ohio. this one in walmart triggering all the ugliest suspicions of spreading of hate and extremism in this country. we are being killed from within by our own in this country. of course, it breaks your heart. the question is then what? if you do not recognize the problem, there is no resolve to find a solution. so what we're finding in the investigation is that the gunman
here turned himself in, has shown no remorse, no regret. put out a manifesto detailing his hatred of an invasion of hispanics and that is our reality here. brooke, you're in dayton. >> i am, chris, thank you. we're in dayton, ohio, just hours after the nation was rocked by the mass shootings there in el paso, a similar scene played out just over this way in the middle of one of the most popular neighborhoods surrounded by businesses, lunch spots, bars, movie theater. this is where this happened in the wee hours of sunday morning. when it was all over just 30 seconds after the shooting began at least nine people were killed including the gunman's sister. including her. investigators believe the shooting in el paso was driven by the gunman's efforts to stop a, quote, humanitarian invasion of texas as chris mentioned that is according to what police are calling this online manifesto
published just 20 minutes before the attack and it's put this renewed focus on president trump and his rhetoric, words like these from a rally last november about migrant caravan, remember this. >> last week i called up the united states military. we're not playing games, folks. there's no games. because you look at what is marching up, that's an invasion. that's an invasion. >> today the president condemned the shootings in both el paso and here in dayton, vowed to prevent similar tragedies from happening in the future but avoided any mention of what he said in the past. >> the shooter in el paso posted a manifesto online consumed by racist hate. in one voice our nation must condemn racism, bigotry and white supremacy. these sinister ideologies must be defeated. hate has no place in america.
we must reform our mental health laws to better identify mentally disturbed individuals who may commit acts of violence and make sure those people not only get treatment but when necessary involuntary confinement. mental illness and hatred pulls the trigger, not the gun. >> he said mental illness and hatred pulls the trigger, not the gun. you heard him blame the internet and social media and video games. but a lot of people are left wondering, mr. president, what are you going to do to stop these mass shootings in this country? what's his plan? >> president trump clearly wanted to keep the focus on mental health today, not guns. while he did propose a couple of policy ideas related to mental health and giving the death penalty to hate crimes he didn't
call congress back from recess to act. it's also notable with his attention to mental health today, that it was president trump who rolled back an obama era regulation that would have made it harder for people with mental health issues to buy weapons so president trump today focused on the hate and evil that drives these acts and stayed away from the shooting. whether his rhetoric has fanned the flames, the gunman in el paso used some of his words. they're defensive about linking it in the white house saying democrats are politicizing it by doing so. something else the president didn't acknowledge in his public statement today was background checks just hours after tweeting immigration reform should be tied to background checks. in past he supported universal background checks only to back away from pressure from the nra.
no mention of further gun reforms other than his administration's previous ban on bump stocks but that hasn't prevented further mass shootings as we've seen in the past couple of days. >> yeah, we know the house passed this sweeping bill since february and still waiting for the senate to consider it. speaking of capitol hill, pamela, thank you very much. let's go to manu. pamela, thank you. pame pamela brought up the fact the president didn't demand members of congress to come back from their summer recess to vote on this gun ledgelegislation. what are you hearing? >> there is a debate behind closed doors just moments ago where they discussed their next strategy in moving forward. house democrats did pass that universal background check bill and they're debating what their
next steps should be. i am told that nancy pelosi wants the focus to be trained exclusively on mitch mcconnell to try to pressure the republicans to come back into session in august and bring up that universal background checks bill and pass it. she says that people that she's spoken to, victims, family members who have been victims of gun violence want that to be the focus as well. but there are democrats who believe other strategies should be in place including having the house pass other legislation to come back this session. i'm told some members raised the prospect of the house coming back to session in august to pass additional measures like an assault weapons ban for one, but pelosi and other democratic leaders like jim clyburn are concerned that doing -- taking such steps could muddy the waters and take the focus off pressuring the republicans to move on background check legislation so that's where she want the focus to be. i'm told she said on the call
this afternoon that she said the president and mitch mcconnell have to feel public sentiment on this and we have a golden opportunity to save lives. she is trying to argue push on the background checks bill and worry about the other legislation later time but see if her members ultimately agree with the moment they want the senate to come back. brooke. >> yeah, in the meantime, america and el paso and dayton wait. they wait. ma manu, thank you very much. chris, to you in el paso. >> thank you very much. this situation gives us the opportunity of taking care of what is easy first. rejecting right wing extremism, folding it in to what is obviously domestic terrorism and getting at the resources and creating that political momentum. that cooperation could be contagious and taken to what is obviously to everyone in our
country except the lawmakers which is we need to change the rules to access to weapons. maybe if they start what is easy they will get the resolve to do what is proven to be all too hard. one big reason the human cost. our interconnectness to the people who get hurt and destroyed by these situations so let's talk about what this did to this community. we have jacob cintron. we have dr. allen tyrod and medical director -- the chief of staff and cindy stout president and ceo of el paso children's hospital. i wish that i was meeting you under different circumstances. i say it, we need to be here. we need to tell the stories of what happened here. and what was capable because of what was done. what is the hospital dealing with, jacob, in terms of what it's been seeing and what it's had to deal with in the last couple of days?
>> as a level one trauma center in the region we plan for this and drill for this so as soon as we got the call, our surgeons, our medical staff, our nurses, everybody came in. we had people coming this that weren't called to come in to come in and volunteer and connected with the other hospitals. hospitals outside were calling in to offer assistance. dr. tyroc is our chief of staff and trained his surgeons amazingly well so we had people lined up ready to go. patients came in and they received the best care and sadly we had one that didn't make it that came into our trauma already so injured. >> 22 gone now. we know hispanics were targeted. you dealt with the human cost. this murderer made a specific point, doc, of saying i'll use the ak-47. i believe that's the weapon that does the job best in these situations. tell people what that did to
people. >> it causes destruction. damages tissue. when the bullet hits somebody, it opens up and fragments and causes more tissue damage, injure, blood vessels, nerve, veins. >> different than a handgun. >> i took a fragment this big out of a patient yesterday and still removing bullet fragment. >> with what you do, why should people care about what kind of weapon it is? >> because it's not meant for sport. it's not meant for deer hunting. it's not meant for protecting yourself. it's for the military. >> you see that in the manifestation of what it does to the body. >> i do. >> and the chance of surviving contact, how does that change? >> it makes a big difference because it's damaging more tissue. on saturday alone we used 110 units of blood on 14 victims that we received that day. we used 50 more units yesterday and a few more units today. a lot of damage and bleeding that goes on especially in the
first few minutes after these events. when we had the cartel war across the street, across the river we were getting these victims just the same type of damage we're seeing now. it's what the military sees. >> cindy, obviously your mandate being with children, children were involved here. the story about those two parents who it seems the mother fell on top of her infant and the infant lived. the parents are gone but you saw kids. what kind of toll does this take in your experience. >> it really takes a toll on a number of people. obviously the family first and foremost, our hearts go out to them and fortunate we have teams that are very well trained to address these types of situations. you always hope it never happens but if it does this is what we train for. then moving into the period of really working with our staff member, physicians and the community at large to provide them the resources and the tools with which to recover successfully. >> you see terrible situations all the time. this is unique. this is the monster that was coming after them. what are you seeing in the families and the kids and the
faces and what they're dealing with. >> we're dealing with family members that not just one family member that they've lost but multiple family members. it's truly changing the dynamics of the families here and as a close-knit community they also are feeling it too so it's going to be a long road ahead of us but it's a strong community and we'll be able to support one another to get through it. >> one of the sad ironies of this situation is that the hardest parts of this we wind up having to deal with best, our first responders show up in seconds. but it would be a much better place if you didn't have to do it. i'm sorry, jacob, this is a time we have to put our arms around people. thank you for your work and god bless. thank you, doctor and god bless, cindy. thank you so much. a part of this story the worst of these situations always bring out the best in humanity. our first responders. the helpful people and the communities that come together but, brooke, it's always this same frustration.
why does it have to be this way? why can't we be as united and stopping the next one as we are in dealing with the moment of crisis? >> it is the best in people who are those who rush toward, you know, incidents and shootings such as this. it is the best people and the nurses and the staff and the doctors who tend to these, you know, innocent people who quite simply were i supposed in wrong place at the wrong time, chris, thank you. we're here in dayton in addition to chris being in el paso and a man who grew up in the same neighborhood as the shooter in dayton will join me live. details on what he said was the gunman's troubled past and the resiliency of this neighborhood in dayton. ey really appreciate the military family and it really shows. with all that usaa offers why go with anybody else? we know their rates are good, we know that they're always going to take care of us. it was an instant savings and i should have changed a long time ago. it was funny because when we would call
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beatrice warren-curtis, 36. monica brickhouse, 39. nicholas cumer, 25 and megan betts, 22. about the time it took for me to read those nine names, the gunman who we're not naming here in dayton, ohio, took away their lives. within the same 30 seconds the police took him down saving hundreds of lives. lots of bars and restaurants. imagine just a saturday night. people out enjoying themselves. as far as the why, there is still according to police and the mayor, still no motive in the shooting but this is what they found in the scene across the street. in the gunman's arms, a 223 caliber rifle with 100-round drum magazines. the gunman arrived here in this neighborhood with his sister in what police describe as a companion, a friend, the gunman actually ended up killing his
sister, she was one of the nine names i just read and the friend is in the hospital. we're told this companion is cooperating and authorities believe he had no advance knowledge of this attack. and while the shooter and his sister separated at some point it is unclear whether they are killing was intentional. >> it seems to just defy believability that he would shoot his own sister, but it's also hard to believe that he didn't recognize that was his sister. so we just don't know. >> can you talk more about the acquisition of that firearm and your thoughts on your citizens owning such large magazines? >> yeah, it's problematic. it is fundamentally problematic, to have that level of weaponry in a civilian environment unregulated is problematic. >> fundamentally problematic so says the police here in dayton.
when police first identified the gunman my next guest came to the realization and tweeted, i now know a mass shooter. in any other country if i told someone that they would think i'm lying and in ours i'm nowhere close to the only one. now they can say that. thank you for being here. tell me when we were listening to that vupd from tsound, you s weren't in chicago in weekend. >> very likely i would have been right where it happened. >> you said your two favorite bars. >> they're two of my favorite spots to hang out and ned peppers, i wouldn't say i frequent it but i visit it fairly enough. >> when i read your tweet i know now a mass murderer, a mass shooter. how do you know him? how did you know him. >> he lived down the block from me and he also went to the same school district as me for i assume his whole career. i went there my whole time, k through 12 and being such a
small school i graduated with a class of 205, you notice just about everyone that goes to the school. >> of course. it's my understanding you weren't good buddies -- >> i had a lot of interacts with him because of the proximity and also worked at the local chipotle and i liked it so i saw him a lot. >> tell me what he was like. >> i saw him as an outcast. a little different than everyone else. >> how so? >> it's kind of hard to put exact words on it. the things he's into isn't the mainstream so draws a smaller group of friends to start. >> what was he into? >> like i said he kept kind of to himself. i know he was into music and pop culture but nothing i can put out there that i knew he was into that could give us insight into what he was thinking. >> you mentioned where he works and you had seen him not too
terribly long ago -- >> at least this past week. he was working at chipotle and came to visit the restaurant. >> and he said, hello, how are you? >> yes, limited, hi, how is it going? hi, connor. >> we know he killed his sister. have no idea if it was intentional. opened fire on anyone and everyone out on a late saturday night. have you ever met the sister. >> i have. i knew her less well than the shooter. she would always smile and wave. a friendly face which makes this tragedy sadder because i have a friendly face no longer i will see. >> think of the parent. >> not only do they have to do deal with the fact their son is not who they thought he was but mourning the loss of their daughter. >> what do you want people to
know about dayton. >> we've had some tragedies here. in the recent future -- we came together really well. it was amazing how well as a city we came together. we can do that here. this city might actually be able to recover in a way that no other city has recovered before from this and i am looking forward to that. >> i'm sorry you're even having to say that and recover yet again. thank you so much. i appreciate your time. pleasure to meet you. just under the circumstances. cnn has vetted organizations that are helping victims of these mass shootings both here in dayton and in el paso, i know so many of you are reaching out how can i help? you can. find those organizations. go to cnn.com/impact so just in to cnn, the justice department is now considering a proposal that would make mass shootings a capital crime. details on that and the conversation about the epidemic of hate crimes in this country next. when did you see the sign?
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welcome back. you're watching cnn's special live coverage here in dayton. i'm brooke baldwin alongside chris cuomo in el paso. a new federal law specifically making mass shootings a capital crime is now among the proposals being studied by the justice department and this is coming today as officials look to follow president trump's order to find legislative fixes for this crisis of mass shootings in america. a cnn senior justice correspondent is with me now with more on just this conversation within the trump administration. what are you hearing? >> yeah, brooke, there is a lot of pressure for the administration to do something, obviously there's a lot of
outcry not only from democrats who want to tackle gun legislation but also from republicans who are trying to figure out other ways to tackle the situation and one other idea being studied at the justice department is to specifically make mass shootings a capital crime under federal law. the irony of the situation is that if these shooters in el paso or in dayton had used explosives to kill the same number of people, there would be the use of weapons of mass destruction as a way for the federal prosecutors to go after them in the case of the el paso shooter, he is still alive but obviously this is a federal loss situation, the federal law often plays second fiddle to the state because the states have homicide statutes they can use to bring charges against these shooters so, again, these are ideas being discussed at the justice department. there's also this red flag law idea that the president -- that senator lindsey graham has
brought up. all these ideas are being discussed over the weekend as bill barr, the attorney general was working with people at the justice department, the fbi and talking to the president about how to tackle this -- as you said, this epidemic of mass shootings in this country. >> evan perez, thank you very much. as you say, you know, really it's a lot of the states making these decisions but if it was an explosive device we would have a different conversation in this country. evan, thank you very much. chris, to you in texas. >> all right, brooke, thank you very much. i want to bring in an expert for us on the fbi but i want to cue this up for you. the idea of making this death penalty eligible sounds strong, okay. however, that assumes it would be a deterrent in these situations. what happens with most mass shooters? it's like suicide by cop, right? you have to think about that. what do we know about hate
crimes? they are on the way up especially in this administration, 2017, the numbers right here, you had 13, 2018, had you 17, now in 2019 just this one event at walmart blows that record away. right wing extremism, white nationalists have been number one and number two. the difference between them and extreme islamism, they're killing us from inside. first, is my confusion justified? i get the death penalty part. that's strong. how do you punish it? is that a deterrent? deal with the obvious. this guy is a terrorist from motivating through violence a political end. these white nationalists are terrorists when they act in furtherance of their agenda. are they not. >> you're right. first i think what we're seeing with this new death penalty reporting is it's essentially a
little window dressing. the shooter in california, the shooter in dayton, ohio, they were killed in the act of conducting a mass attack. the death penalty would not have deterred them from going to act because they died in the shooting. this person talked about possibly dying as well so it seems like they're doing something and appealing to those who look at the president and he's acting tough but that doesn't deter them. you were talking about the terrorism angle. i worked a lot of cases where you had islamic extremists associated with al qaeda and isis, being associated with these groups was a federal crime. that was enough to get you sent behind bars to jail. >> just association, because the idea is you can't punish thoughts. what is the line when it comes to terror? >> the material support to terrorism, that's often a charge we would go after. it's being a part of that group, the fbi can open an investigation. that's the predication. it is not against the law to be associated with a white supremacist or provide material support. that is the issue.
there's this divide between what the president was saying about wanting to get tough and the reality of what law enforcement is faced with. the one thing missing a directive to democrats and republicans to work on legislation that would make domestic terrorism a federal crime. until then this is just window dressing. >> and include these guys as terrorists. so let's think here in realtime. what would the resistance be? why isn't he attacking white nationalism and all radical extremism in this country the way he does isis? >> he'll talk about how islam hates us all day long and pernicious and has to be rooted out, find where they meet and who motivates them and take them all on. not here. >> this is largely due to the political issue. the last rally where you had people chanting "send them back." i think there is a there there that we know about, what type of population this ames to. the problem when you talk about white supremacists, there's no
meat on the bone as far as doing about what he's saying. it's a bunch of lip service. the white supremacists we know will continue and know they continue to talk to each other. we're not seeing the administration step up and saying it's a problem we need to combat. until then you have a population out there by the way to include the fbi agents association, this group that represents the fbi some 13,000 agents begging for new tools, begging for legislation to make domestic terrorism a federal crime. they want to do the job. they want to protect the country. we hear from them all the time. still the roadblock. one thing critics will say who is going to police free speech? if this falls under white supremacy it's a legitimate issue. when you have white supremacists who came here and killed people and we know he is a white supremacist there is more you can do to stop that in advance and you have to have those laws to do it. >> thank you very much. let's expand this a little bit to the theoretical of what's going on within this world of extremism. we have brian levin, an author
of a report on extremism and we'll tap his mind right now. brian, you have me? >> yes, thank you. let me just say co-author, there is a wonderful team including lisa kna lisa nakashima. >> do you believe there's any question that this murderer should qualify as terrorist organizations? >> well, terrorist organization? i don't think he was in a terrorist organization. >> yeah, not white nationalism as a thing but when you find individual groups that are motivating violence to the point of purpose of a political agenda. >> oh, absolutely. look, and i have no dog in this fight. when i testified before congress in 2015 right before terror struck our community, i said violence and jihadists are the
most ascendent threat. we're seeing white supremacists are the number one threat going on here in the united states. that's a terrible thing and there has to be a directive from the top down. we have to have bureaucratic change and legislative change and we have to have training and coordination. we need to have all these things and under other administrations we had a much more vigorous -- we had a much more investigate ross working group setup in every federal u.s. attorney district. bottom line is when i testified in 2015, it was a complete shift. violent jihadists represented the biggest threat and what they were doing to radicalize was on the internet and the president was accused of playing catch-up. the most prominent in a rising -- in a rising pool of extremists are white suspe
supremacists. this is beyond a political one. >> so, brian, the idea of what we're hearing that's percolating inside the doj to make all mass shootings capital crimes, is that the right way to go and if so is it enough? >> look, these guys will probably be put to death anyway. that being said i do think it's a good idea because when president kennedy was shot, for instance, killing a president was not a federal offense and guess what we're also seeing, and this is a terrible thing, this is going to get out of hand bad if we don't do something soon like now and here's what i mean, we're not only seeing an increase in these white supremacist attacks but the fifth consecutive annual increase in hate crimes in america's largest cities and 47% of those cities including los angeles where i am now are at decades high and seeing things more violent. these weapons we saw in el paso
are the number one choice of these kind of offenders and just bear with me for one second. we were seeing a decrease in extremist homicides in the last few years and increase in white sp supremacists now the white supremacists alone in 2019, white supremacists have killed more than all the extremists in all of last year so we need some training, we need some coordination and we need more than the death penalty. one other thing that i think is important, and i want to give the president a little bit of credit here. i think he hit a single and what i mean is it was about time that we mentioned white supremacy and domestic terrorism in the same breath and he's got to lead in that bully pulpit. what we found when divisive statements are made by leaders, it correlates to fluctuations in hate crime. president bush spoke six days after 9/11 about tolerance with respect to muslims. hate crimes dropped by
two-thirds the next day and two-thirds the next year. san bernardino affected our community. hate crimes spiked over 300% from that terrorist attack when he did his muslim ban proposal which was aired nationally. hate crimes went up another 23% to over 400% more than the daily average for the first 11 months and december 2015 was the worst month for anti-muslim hate crimes going back to the first anniversary of 9/11. moreover, charlottesville, the month he said good people on both side, what did we see? we saw charlottesville, august 2017 tied as the worst month. >> right. >> for a hate crime in this decade. >> well, we know the threat, the question is how will we respond? brian levin, thank you very much to you and your team that put together the report. unfortunately i'll be leaning on you a lot, it seems, in the not too distant future to get our hands around the situation and deal with the threat as one.
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watching cnn. the reason why i'm here in dayton, ohio, but we need to talk economy. the dow is down over growing concerns about the u.s. trade war with china. ta taking a peek, wow, down nearly a thousand point as head of the closing bell. alison kosik is there. what is behind this drop? >> brooke, we've got about an hour and a quarter to go before the closing bell but i tell you what it's turning out to be an ugly day. the dow down 870. if you had any doubt that the u.s. and china are in the middle of a trade war i would say doubt no more. the latest salvo coming from china retaliating against the u.s. by devaluing its currency and there is a lot of worry there could be a global currency war next. while china isn't saying this was deliberate it is sparking speculation this is intentional to fight back in the trade war after president trump announced
a 10% tariff set to take on september 1st. on the remaining $300 billion of chinese goods so that move by the way was against the advice from many white house advisers. so a weaker yuan will make it more competitive and helps chinese manufacturers offset the cost of these higher tariffses. in this trade war so the sell-off you see happening is because of concern that an already protracted trade battle is getting even longer, especially when the expectation was we would see a solution to this. now, brooke, it looks like we won't see a solution not at the end of summer like steve mnuchin promised. that could directly impact corporate america, brooke. >> rough for all the business, small and large. watching the market so carefully and of course, trump's every
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vacation. to call members of congress back from their summer recess to vote on a background check bill that passed in the house several months ago. president trump did not back any gun control measures in his speech to the nation today, in fact, he mentioned the word gun one time. the 2020 presidential candidates say he is the one encouraging a culture of hate in this country. watch this. >> it's pretty obvious to me and anyone who's listened to the president and will look at the facts that his anti-immigrant rhetoric, not just the things that i cited but calling asylum seekers animals or an infestation. you might describe a cockroach or termites as an infestation or hear someone in the third reich describe them as an infegs taste. >> we have a president who made his career politically on demonizing mexicans and now
we're seeing reports that the shooter had his goal killing as many mexicans as possible. you don't have to use a lot of imagination to connect the dots. >> all of the evidence out there suggests that we have a president who is a racist who is a seen knoxeno phobe. >> we have a president of the united states who uses the microphone which is probably one of the most powerful tools in the hands of the president of the united states and uses that microphone in a way that is about sowing hate and division. >> he's not only egging it on but is one himself. >> i believe that the president is fostering hate in this country. >> the manifesto that apparently this shooter wrote that says that hispanics are taking over the state of texas and changing
the country, this echoes the kind of language that our president encourages. >> donald trump is responsible for this. >> and this morning when the president of the united states mistakenly sent his prayers for the people of toledo, we're actually in dayton, ohio, ohio congressman tim ryan simply tweeted out eff me. do not miss this. the congressman is next.
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this is cnn breaking news. you are watching special coverage here. i'm brooke baldwin live in dayton, ohio, where this weekend people here experienced something that has become all too common in this country, a mass shooting. nine people are now dead including the gunman's sister and all of those families struggling for answers and preparing to bury their loved ones in the coming days and their community is demanding action, chris. >> and we're here, i'm chris cuomo in el paso, the site of another mass shooting that occurred hours before the one in ohio. 22 people now killed. somebody died in the hospital recently. there are another two dozen people still injured and clearly this murderer came to this place to target people who were brown on the border. and so you're going to have all different stories about who was affected but what brings them