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well. because especially major countries are trying to gen in conversations, it's gold. >> fascinating reporting. thank you for bringing it, i appreciate it. >> thank you. coming up for us, the cdc is calling it an outbreak, the disturbing rise in deaths and illnesses associated with vaping. now the trump administration is weighing a major ban. bolduan, thank you so much for we have detail on that next. joining me. what is in a word, such deep questions we ask on this show. that seems to be still a big question on capitol hill right now when it comes to impeachment. the house judiciary committee just this morning approved new ground rules for its impeachment inquiry or investigation or both. those words, though, are not something the democratic chairman at the least is shying away from >> this investigation will allow us to determine whether to recommend articles of impeachment with respect to cal
impeachment inquiry. some call it an impeachment investigation. there's no legal difference between these terms and i no longer care to argue about nomenclature about these new procedures. we will begin next week an aggressive series of hearings, investigating allegations of corruption, obstruction, and abuse of power against the president. the investigation will go well beyond the four corners of the mueller report. >> but it seems other house leaders do still care about the nomenclature, with the house speaker still refusing to say that the house has launched such an investigation, is this a distinction without a difference at this point? house speaker nancy pelosi will likely face that very question any minute now as she's set to be meeting with reporters. let's go to capitol hill, figure out where things stand, senior congressional correspondent, ma kn na ragu is standing by.
>> they adopted a resolution along party lines that would set the stage and parameters of how the hearings would be carried out. emblematic of what occurred in 1974 when the same house judiciary committee voted for procedures to consider the nixon impeachment proceedings. in this case, what they will do here is essentially give the authority of the chairman, jerry nadler to call hearings and call them impeachment proceedings, also allow things such as allowing staff attorneys to question witnesses, something typically not done under the i didn't have to call 911.help. and i didn't have to come get you. typical arrangement for hears. they say the move is a clear because you didn't have another heart attack. not today. escalation to determine whether or not to impeach this you took our conversation president, something that jerry about your chronic coronary artery disease to heart. nadler wants to decide to do even with a stent procedure, your condition can get worse over time, before the end of the year but and keep you at risk of blood clots. they are not voting to formally so you added xarelto®, to help keep you protected. open an impeachment hearing. the only thing that's necessary xarelto®, when taken with low-dose aspirin, is if they decide to vote to is proven to further reduce the risk of blood clots that can cause heart attack, impeach the president, the stroke, or cardiovascular death in people with chronic cad. articles have to go to the committee and to the floor. now, the republicans are that's because while aspirin can help,
it may not be enough to manage your risk of blood clots. objecti in a clinical trial, almost 96% of people taking xarelto® objecting. they're saying there should be a vote, the reason there's not a vote for opening a formal did not have a cardiovascular event. inquiry is the democrats are don't stop taking xarelto® without talking to your doctor, trying to protect their members. as this may increase your risk of heart attack, stroke, or cardiovascular death. while taking, a spinal injection >> ultimately they may decide whether or not to impeach this increases the risk of blood clots president, what's the difference about what they call it? which may cause paralysis- the inability to move. >> it doesn't go outside the you may bruise more easily, committee. this does not go to the house or take longer for bleeding to stop. xarelto® can cause serious, and in rare cases, fatal bleeding. floor. they're covering for moderates who don't want to vote for it may increase your risk of bleeding impeachment. the vast majority don't want if you take certain medicines. anything to do with this. >> the first thing that we'll get help right away for unexpected bleeding see is next week when the same or unusual bruising. do not take xarelto® if you have an artificial heart valve or abnormal bleeding. committee, the house judiciary committee has a hearing with before starting, tell your doctor about all planned medical or dental procedures cory lewandowski, who was mentioned in the mueller report and any kidney or liver problems. as part of those allegations of enjoy every moment-and help protect yourself obstruction of justice, the president allegedly trying to from an unexpected one, like a cardiovascular event. thwart the mueller probe, they are you doing enough? will come to the former trump ask your doctor if it's time for xarelto®. campaign manager, and rick to learn more about cost and how janssen can help, visit xarelto.com. deerborn, former white house aide as well as rob porter, it is uncertain whether they will
show up and answer questions but that's just the start of what the democrats are signal ing wil be a broad investigation looking at potential campaign violations, emoluments violations of the constitution. it doesn't make a difference if you call it an impeachment inquiry or not, the republicans clearly say it does make a difference. >> again, what is in a word, what is in a name, manu, we say in such shakespeare yan termter. hey. you must be steven's phone. nancy pelosi will be taking questions soon. let me bring in cnn political now you can know who's on your network director david chalian with and control who shouldn't be, only with xfinity xfi. more. i don't know, can i just say simple. easy. awesome. what it feels like, it feels like a bit of a silly name game that some folks on playing on capitol hill when it comes to impeachment inquiry, impeachment investigation or not or both but the speaker very clearly thinks that what you call it really does matter. why is that? >> because the country has shown thus far, the country at large,
not to have an appetite for this, and nancy pelosi, as you know, she has made this crystal clear. she is not of the mind that this is something the democrats should head towards unless they have already begun to make the case to the american people that is bringing a majority of the american people around that all of a sudden republicans in the senate start expressing, she's looking at the totality of the process from beginning to end saying how do we get from here the trump administration is to here, and not just go down a making a big move against e-cigarettes, looking to ban the road and crash into a wall. flavored vaping pods that have right, i mean, so i think the reason we're hearing all of this become so popular amongst tee confusion or sniping over the, teenagers. this comes as there is an urgent investigation under way to you know, the word choice, i figure out what the cause is behind a spike in lung illnesses think the reason we're hearing that is there is a real divide associated with vaping. in the democratic caucus about more than 450 possible cases already reported across 39 the right political strategy here. >> to be clear, there have been states, the center for disease control and prevention is more house democrats to come out calling this an outbreak. to call for impeachment. late last month, an 18-year-old there's no sign, tell me if i'm wrong, there's no sign the varsity student athlete in illinois was hospitalized with appetite amongst the american this very lung illness.
public at large has changed or a he says after using e-cigarettes glimmer of a sign that any for more than a year and a half. republican senate is closer. listen. >> the doctor said that my lungs >> those two factors which were that of a 70-year-old's. clearly weigh on the speakers mind haven't changed. what has changed is a growing so it was scary to think about number inside her caucus. she does pay attention to that. it's not just the quantity. that, that little device did it's the make up of who is that to my lungs. calling for impeachment. >> there have also been at least so we haven't seen a majority yet of democrats who won six deaths associated with vaping. the latest one in kansas republican seats that delivered according to the state health the majority to her. department. >> in 2018. the patient was a woman over 50 >> right. >> so those members, if they all years old who died within a week of starting to use e-cigarettes. of a sudden, a big majority joining me right now is dr. lee decided to call for impeachment, norman, he's the secretary of the kansas department of health that may catch the speaker's attention in a way it hasn't on and environment. this matter. her public answer which i'm sure dr. orrman, thank you for being we're going to hear again today, here. >> thank you, good morning. kate, we must follow every fact, >> i did want to ask you,mendat pursue this investigation, do you put out which is it is time our fact finding mission, so it's not that she's going to to stop vaping? oppose jerry nadler for >> yes, a number one in my continuing to collect facts here. she's not trying to shut that book is that these are down. she understands, she has to have unregulated products and in many of them, we have no idea what is a release for a lot of democrats in them, and the thought of who want to see impeachment
inhaling those into the lungs pursued. >> is that going to be when it's an unknown compound or successfully accomplished, though, with this impeachment, mixture, is just a crazy idea, whatever that's going to be and that's why i advocate happening in the judiciary stopping vaping, certainly until we know more and can control committee. what's in there. >> yeah, i mean, when it comes unclear. thanks for being with us. it is debate day in america once again, my friends and for to the woman who died in kansas, the first time, it will all be on one night and on one stage. the doctors, all the reports i have seen is the doctors say ten of the leading democratic it's clear that vaping was the presidential candidates squaring cause of her rapid decline. off this evening, just on the heels of a new cnn poll on the do you know yet what type of state of the race. vaping product she was using, was it nicotine or was it thc? joe biden continues to hold a lead among democratic voters, >> we don't know what those are. but going into tonight's debate, they were sent away for you see elizabeth warren and analysis. bernie sanders locked in a tight what we do know is that this race for second, so what is patient, an adult, had going to happen on that stage preexisting medical conditions tonight? what do democratic voters want but they had been stable and the to see. joining me right nowr of virgin, only thing that had changed prior to her illness and death was the initiation of vaping. former dnc chair, terry >> that is so scary, and the reason i asked for that, i was mcauliffe, and angela rye. wondering if you thought that it's great to see you. mattered, that distinction thank you for being here. between nicotine vaping products the biden campaign made clear and thc. i ask that because the president his approach is essentially you of the american vaping association was on cnn this
got to have more than a plan. morning and he tried to make the case that the tobacco vaping he has his eye on elizabeth products are safe. and the vaping products, the thc warren. what do you think or want that to look like tonight? >> and i hope what comes out of vaping products are what he tonight is that the democratic thinks should be the real candidates are actually talking concern here. let me play a little bit of what about solutions and they don't he said. >> the actual nicotine vaping spend their time attacking one products that he had tested, another. i have been disappointed in the they have found quote nothing debates to date. unusual according to great i have found them far too reporting from the "washington post," and there are numerous negative. democrats have gone after each other. we have to remember, the person public health advocates, we're going after is actually including dr. michael seigle of donald trump, and that should be what we talk about tonight, boston university school of health, multiple others saying trump and his policies. democrats ought to put out the evidence clearly links these solutions. i will find it inexcusable if products to elicit thc, not the democrats tonight spend their time attacking one vaping and prohibiting adults another. now, we're in the home stretch. many candidates are teetering, could increase smoking among they're having problems raising youth and adult, when we saw a money. they're having problems paying record setting 28% decrease in payroll, they're hoping for a breakout moment. teen smoking from 2018 to 2019. some will be tempted. i have to go after someone here >> dr. norman, i want to get and have that breakout moment. your reaction to his position. but what the democrats have to do you think he's right? do is lay out a comprehensive >> well, i don't know that --
plan. what are we going to do about what the real answer is. i typically don't look to the health care costs and raising wages for individuals in the country and dealing with infrastructure. that should be the message. that would be a great message tobacco industry to necessarily for the democrats tonight. be advocates for public health. i know that's where joe biden wants the debate to go. let's start with that as a basic i'm sure senator harris wants it assessment. >> that's a good point. >> tobacco, it's the devil, we to go there as well, as well as know, and it may not be the senator warren and senator sanders. they all got to be talking about offending agent. how we move forward and not thc and its derivatives, may not spend their time attacking one another. >> in the universe of there are very have you coincidences in be. the substances in there, lipids, politics, put out an op-ed this morning, slamming warren, glycerin, and others are the calling her a hypocrite, attacking her for attacking big dollar donations but accepting the same. is that a weak spot for her, do agents, people have smoked cigarettes for a long time, and you think? >> well, i think it could be, this epidemic is relatively new but if i could, kate, just go with the oils and vaping back to what governor mcauliffe products out there. was addressing. i want to remind the audience we just don't know what's in them. >> we really do not. that this is not, you know, a it is unregulated at this point. coronation or something where what do you think of the there is one candidate standing administration's move to ban the flavor pods, what do you think of that? on the stage with nine of their >> well, i think it's a good
surrogates, this is a debate, and while they should not start. the du-- one of the things that personally attack each other, i don't think we saw much of that in the last debate in detroit, important is to not have people what it should be is an opportunity to differentiate start vaping. a lot of the kids, the majority ones self from your neighbor. of young people who start vaping have never been smokers in the it's an opportunity to finally first place, so this is how they ensure that the party is are initiating inhaling things speaking to all of the pillars. into their lungs. that's bad. it is an opportunity to i think young people shouldn't vape. the deaths have been primarily demonstrate how one health care in adults, i think young people plan is different from the next. should talk to their parents and senator harris rolled out her grandparents out of vaping. criminal justice reform plan. i mean, we just have to decrease in monday, i interviewed her on it, get rid of it, and find out my podcast and gave her the def what's in there, put a moratorium on sales, until we know more. >> and just to put a fine point on it because i really she stands by her record. this has to be an opportunity to appreciate your candor, you call it crazy to be inhaling say these are all of the ways in which we are different, these something into your lungs that you don't know what's in this are the ways we speak to the product, the fact that folks agendas of the lgbtq ia continue to say, look, vaping, when it comes to an e-cigarette, community, and black folks who have held us up and not gotten what they deserve, to the native it's safer than lighting up a american people who support us, traditional cigarette, what do you say to them at this moment? the latin x, and women who >> well, i don't think it's even true. we have six dead people, and 450 thought they should have voted
f for donald trump but know better people with damaged lungs and now. that wouldn't happen were they yes, elizabeth warren is probably going to get attacked not vaping. because she's quickly rising but the thought of inhaling something into the lungs is to i also think this is an me almost as if a person found a opportunity for her to pill on the floor, picked it up demonstrate on the stage with and swallow it, or shoot joe biden for the first time on something into their vein that the stage, how she's different they don't know what it is. from joe biden. >> you mentioned breakout we take tainted beef off the moments. kamala harris had a break out moment in the first debate, julian castro had a breakout market, when lettuce has salmonella, we take it off the moment. cory booker has had a break out market, and it's an important moment, but look at the polls, first step to gain an understanding and then to forget the national polling, in regulate these products. early states, that has not >> yeah. changed dramatically the state that does sound straight up crazy to be injecting something of things. into you without knowing what it i'm getting kind of to a point is. that's a very interesting way of putting it. of wondering what can those doctor, thank you for being here. appreciate it. >> okay. thank you. lower tier candidates do if >> thank you so much. really appreciate your perspective. ahead for us, how many jobs breakout moments aren't breaking can one person hold in one administration at one time. could secretary of state mike out of anything. >> i'm sure you'll have breakout pompeo be going for a record? moments that will transcend the we'll be right back. ou haven't t about switching to geico, race. the candidates you mentioned had frankly, you're missing out. it before but they fell right back. senator harris is now below uh... the mobile app makes it easy to manage your policy, where she was before she had
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>> absolutely not. we have a directive. i have a directive. no intelligence collection in the united states. no spying and it's rigorously enforced without any exceptions. it's complete fabrication. >> reporter: joining me right now is the reporter who broke this story, daniel litman, white house reporter who broke the story. good to see you. >> good to see you too. >> why are government officials confident this is likely the work of israel. >> these are the type of devices called sting rays, cell phone surveillance devices where it can capture the contents of calls, and data streams and they're pretty expensive, not many countries have the capability to do them, and so the fbi counter intelligence division, they did an analysis. they looked at these devices very carefully, what kind of parts they had, how old they were, where they had been transmitting data to, and they
concluded most likely that it was the israelis, and, you know, mosad in the movies, they have a fierce reputation, and i talked to other intelligence officials, israel, that's not an inaccurate description of israel being a very good intelligence service. >> and there are examples of israel spying on the united states in the past, so even this get unlimited talk, text and data with our most powerful signal ever- isn't new, if they are confident all for just $30 bucks a line for 4 lines. israel is behind this, why, and for a limited time, then, isn't or wasn't the get free smartphones too! get 4 new lines of unlimited administration doing anything and 4 free phones about it in response. for just 30 bucks a line! why aren't there any ♪ consequences? >> one can only speculate about what the trump administration's motives are in addressing this, but it's not like they caught a cameras are obviously actual american who had been turned by the israelis and the strictly forb dforbidde airways are kind of considered fair game to, you know, for countries to spy on each other. but the trump administration has
a close relationship with netanyahu. they have been -- they have had several favorable policies, like ripping up the iran deal, adding more sanctions on iran, you know, jared kushner is close to netanyahu as well. moving the embassy to jerusalem, i think they thought it was not worth it to add complications and damage our relationship, especially since, you know, they're a very important ally in the middle east. >> daniel, what do your sources say to the fact, do they completely dismiss the possibility that this still could be another country, maybe even one trying to pass this operation off as being from the israelis. >> there's always concerns about, you know, false flags, you know, the country's trying to pose as other countries in the spy games, but in the bottom half of my article, i talked to a bunch of former u.s. officials who would tell -- who told me
that israeli officials would sometimes repeat back to them internal u.s. lines that had it's a deal worth billions of dollars. never been broadcast publicly, it would settle more than 2,000 and they would sometimes allude lawsuits from cities, counties, to stuff that they had said in private conversations, almost to hospitals, indian tribes and tell the american officials, native american tribes and other groups across the country. but is it enough? hey, we're learniistening to yo that is the question being asked we're keeping an eye on you. today after purdue pharma, the i talked to a dan benjamin. maker of the opioid oxycontin, former director of counter reached a tentative settlement to pay out $3 billion over seven terrorism who told me on the record, the first thing he told years to end the argument over him we don't spy on america. them fueling the opioid epidemic if we have such a low estimate in the united states. of intelligence, i'm going to end the meeting right now. >> look, there has long been more than 70,000 americans have reporting and discussing around the president. if he didn't for a moment, he died from opioid overdoses. started using his cell phone so are a billion dollars in a once again, an unsecure cell phone to call friends and payout and the family behind the whomever. have you gotten an indication from the white house that they have been able to make his cell company losing it? more secure, harden the security
thank you for being here. around it. >> i have talked to some i've got a million questions, of officials and they say it's been course. all of the reporting is this is hardened. you can never tell sometimes, a tentative deal right now. you know, trump has had multiple what can you tell us about how close this is to final? cell phones in the past, and he >> well, the executive committee might not like the inconvenient of the plaintiffs' group in the federal proceedings is recommending the deal based on the general terms that have been nature, makes it harder for him put out there. as you correctly mentioned, to use his cell phone. by that's the real concern here, kate, the $3 billion guaranteed, the sacklers essentially losing with president obama, he made sure to keep his blackberry very total control and ownership of secure, and there have been numerous reports that the all the pharmaceutical companies both worldwide and in the united chinese and russians have been listening on intercepting some states. of president trump's calls, so we have to pay for the deal, through his cell phone and he's as we say, and we have to make talking all the time sure all the bells and whistles are on it, but at this point our constituency, which is more than 2,000 communities, is recommending that we take a harder look and that we not break off of the talks. >> do you consider this a win? are you happy with the
settlement? >> well, it's often said that the perfect is the enemy of the good. this is not a perfect settlement, kate, but it is a good settlement in our judgment. because the alternative is that the per do yurdue pharma goes i bankruptcy court and those proceedings can last a decade or more. the lawyers who worked with me in this litigation have vast experience in bankruptcy proceedings, and we don't believe it's in the interest of these communities, which, as you indicated, are hemorrhaging funds and in need of funds, to wait 10 or 15 years for what would likely be a smaller payout than could be achieved now. >> not everybody is happy with this outcome. you're not necessarily thinking this is a perfect deal as it is. here is the governor of
pennsylvania. he says, this apparent settlement is a slap in the face to everyone who has had to bury a loved one due to this family's destruction and greed. it allows the sackler family to walk away billionaires and admit no wrongdoing. what do you say to that? >> i think it's in the interest of the people affected to have a deal in this framework approved. we recognize that the general attorney of pennsylvania, like the many other men and women in the country, have been upset with the sacklers and withue. but again, we have to look at the communities that are in need of funds to abate this epidemic. i'm hopeful that the attorney general of pennsylvania and the others who, as you know, have objected will listen to sound arguments and hopefully, if we can sweeten the deal, they will come around. >> one of the things i saw about
this deal is some of the reporting is that part of the payout that will go to these communities comes from the future sale of oxycontin. if oxycontin is the root of the problem, how is that helping the problem? >> well, it's not necessarily the case that a future payout would come from sales of oxycontin. the company could be sold, liquidated, the assets sold off, and those revenues could flow to the communities without the communities accepting funds from the sale of oxycontin. so that's still very much up in the air, and we'll just have to see how that plays out. >> you agree that seems completely backwards? >> it does seem somewhat inappropriate for a community that's been suing the company over the marketing of oxycontin to then be accepting revenues from those sales. but we will look to the
bankruptcy court and to the advisers concerning how this can be structured. >> what do you think of these additional lawsuits? pennsylvania's attorney general, he just announced today they are going to be moving forward with suing certain members of the sackler family. what do you think of that approach? >> that's not novel. this has been done over the last year or so. in fact, a number of the communities that i represent, including the city of new york, have sued the sacklers personally. it's part of the litigation strategy, but again, we are looking at this point in time for a slightly different approach, namely some sort of a deal that would get money to these communities more quickly than going through the long years, decades possibly, of bankruptcy. >> we'll be watching as this proceeds. thank you very much for being here. i really appreciate it, mr.
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welcome to "inside politics." i'm john king. thank you for sharing your day with us. it is debate night for the 2020 candidates, the first time joe biden and elizabeth warren will share the same stage, and perhaps the last time to convince voters that they deserve to stick around. the president has allowed his tough new asylum rules to be enforced while a legal challenge makes its way through the lower