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good evening. a big night, including breaking news in the democratic presidential race. new polling that could really shake things up. we'll have that. also, new word on what, if anything, republicans, especially the president, plan to do on gun laws. what the state of play now is and what a leading lawmaker has to stay about it. we begin, though, with this. the first witness of the first hearings on impeaching president trump is done testifying before the house judiciary committee. corey lewandowski, the president's former campaign chairman, spent a lot of time saying very little today except for claiming again and again what is a hotly disputed kind of
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executive privilege as a justification for not answering questions from democratic committee members. it earned him a warning about being held in contempt, drew a string of frustrated responses from democrats and attacks by republicans on the proceedings themselves. the president tweeted praise for him. he tweeted back, thanks. in short, corey lewandowski was the central figure today in a messy, very messy political drama or circus or witch hunt depending on how you see it. here's a small sample, including a key moment with democratic committee member hank johnson, during which he confirmed that the president told him to order then attorney general jeff sessions to curtail the mueller investigation. >> the white house has directed i not disclose the substance of any discussions with the president or his advisers to protect executive branch confidentiality. i recognize this is not my privilege, but i am respecting the white house's decision. as for actual collusion or conspiracy, there was none. what there has been, however, is harassment of this president from the day he won the election. >> that's what he wanted you to deliver to attorney general jeff sessions, correct?
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>> i believe that's an accurate representation. >> and he wanted you to deliver it to jeff so that jeff could say it to the people, right? >> i believe so. >> and you felt kind of squeamish, like that fish that you are trying to be right now, being scaled, you felt a little squeamish about delivering that message, correct? >> no, sir. >> well, why didn't you -- why did it take you so long and you never even delivered it? >> correct, i never delivered the message. >> yeah, you chickened out. >> i went on vacation. >> you went on vacation. [ laughter ] and so you put the message in the safe, in your safe, in your home, for safekeeping, correct, before you went on vacation? >> i took my kids to the beach, congressman. that was more of a priority. >> and president trump was hounding you about, when are you going to deliver that message, correct? >> completely inaccurate, congressman. >> well, he asked you about it a few times, didn't he?
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>> no, he did not. >> he never asked you whether or not you had delivered that message? >> not on multiple occasions, no. >> one occasion, okay? he did mention it on one occasion to you? >> i don't know if that's in the report, sir, or not. >> so the president asked you twice in the oval office to deliver a secret message to the attorney general of the united states, a message that you quickly wrote down word for word at the president's direction, correct? sir? >> i believe i wrote it down. >> and when you worked for the president during his campaign, did you ever ignore or disobey directions from candidate trump? >> i didn't believe it to be an order. >> you didn't think that was illegal to obstruct justice? >> congressman, the president has asked me to do nothing illegal. >> did you lie sir in television interviews, denying that you had been asked to give interviews to the special counsel? >> i don't believe so. >> so you deny that you didn't lie in public statements about -- >> what i'm saying is, when under oath, i have always told
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the truth. i have no obligation to be honest to the media because they're just as dishonest as anybody else. >> so you're admitting, sir, that you were not being truthful in that clip, correct? >> my interview with ari melber can be interpreted in any way we like. >> so do you have a thought why we continue to engage in a charade that is overwhelmingly opposed by the american people and fundamentally misunderstood by my democratic colleagues? >> you know, congressman, i think they hate this president more than they love their country. >> plenty to talk about. in a moment, congresswoman shelia jackson lee. but first, former republican presidential candidate and u.s. senator rick santorum is with us. also, cnn political analyst kirsten powers and cnn chief legal analyst jeffrey toobin. jeff, what actually came out of this hearing today? anything? >> well, not much that wasn't in the mueller report. i mean, that was very much by lewandowski's design. i mean, his invented legal theory was that he could only
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talk about what was in the mueller report. but as that hank johnson exchange showed, the congressman from georgia, the hearing -- hearing lewandowsky talk about how the president instructed him word for word, writing down the instruction to go tell jeff sessions to ease off the mueller investigati investigation, it was dramatic business, but it was not anything substantially new. >> and kirsten, if the idea of this was to sort of open the eyes of the american public about what's actually in the mueller report, i understand maybe some people took that who were watching it so closely, got that from those exchanges that we just cut together. but if you just tuned into this thing, it was a bunch of people yelling back and forth and being passive-aggressive to each other and i mean, it didn't -- >> yeah. >> it wasn't something that was, you know, informing the american public every second. >> yeah, it wasn't something
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that would inspire a lot of confidence about what's going on in washington, i don't think. and i think this was predictable in the sense that, you know, anybody who knows anything about corey lewandowski, this is exactly the person that you would have expected to show up. you would expect him to be very pugilistic and behave in exactly the manner that he behaved. so i think that, you know, and i'm not excusing his behavior. i mean, i particularly found his claim that you only need to tell the truth when you're under oath interesting and that it's okay to lie to the media. that's kind of problematic. and, look, i think that he played an important role certainly. you know, this sounds like obstruction when you have the president dictating to you to go and basically, you know, pass on this message to jeff sessions that he didn't pass on. you know, to stop the investigation. so it's not unimportant. it's just i don't think there was a very constructive hearing.
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>> senator santorum, i want to get your views on the hearing overall. and just on this executive privilege that is being -- i mean, if you had somebody testifying before you who was claiming an executive privilege, does corey lewandowski really have the right -- i mean he's not -- doesn't work for the white house. does he really get to just not answer questions? >> first, i'm not an expert on executive privilege. i wish i had the opportunity to be able to exercise executive privilege, but i never got that opportunity, so i'm really not an expert. but it doesn't seem to me jeffrey would probably answer it more definitively. it doesn't seem to me like he would be covered by executive privilege, but that doesn't mean that the president can't assert it and have it litigated. and in the meantime, corey lewandowski doesn't answer questions before the congress. and so, in sum, i think it was a very bad day for the house democrats. it just looked desperate. it looked pathetic, frankly. i thought it was a very good day for corey lewandowski, for what he wanted to accomplish there, which is, he hasn't announced
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he's running for the senate, but if i was running for the senate, i would want the opportunity to do what he just did today and to be able to raise a lot of small-dollar donations. he set up a website, which is staying with corey, and i know they're raising money for that, so i think it was a very good day for corey. >> i just address the legal issue for a second? >> yeah, please. >> this is an outrageous claim. the idea that a nongovernment official, someone who never worked for the administration, never worked for the government is covered by executive privilege in his conversations with the president, no court has ever held that. but it was even worse than that. it's that according to the white house's theory, which came out in a letter yesterday from the white house counsel, lewandowski's conversations with other government officials in the white house is also covered by executive privilege. he refused to answer questions about that. what he was planning on -- and, you know, maybe this was good
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politics -- is that the democrats didn't have the energy or the time to find him in contempt, get the house vote, go to the district court, go to the circuit court, spend months to litigate this, but that shouldn't obscure the fact that the legal claim that the white house made was just outrageous and wrong. >> but finding corey in contempt for -- corey's basically going along with what he's been instructed by the president of the united states that he's -- i mean, i don't think corey is the person you go after here. i mean, the reality is that it's the president asserting this claim. >> but the president doesn't have any magical power over corey lewandowski, or he appears to because corey lewandowski, you know, is not an employee -- >> but he complied. he complied with it. >> you don't have to comply to a letter from the president of the united states. this is not a dictatorship. >> does anybody really believe that he didn't deliver the
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letter because he went to the beach with his children? you know, that just doesn't pass the smell test. i think that corey knew that there was something wrong with this. and so i think that he wasn't being particularly forthcoming. anybody looking at this can see that there's something wrong with this, which is why you might try to pass it off on someone else who didn't want to do it because they recognized there was something wrong with it. >> senator, isn't it kind of a weird way to run for senate by admitting that you're happy to lie to the american people? i know he was phrasing it as lying to the media, lying to reporters. but, you know, it's not as if the end result is you're lying to the american people. you are giving people false information, and you're fine with that. you have no moral problem with that. >> yeah. i think that was a little flippant on his part. i certainly wouldn't have made that comment. i don't think -- particularly if you're running for office, it's not a good thing for him to say. i think he was taking the trump approach, which is it's different to -- you notice he
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pointed out the reporter's name. he didn't talk about lying to the public. he basically said, you know, i didn't tell the truth to this guy, who doesn't have a right to hear the truth from me basically. i don't think that's a good line for him, and i would hope that he would, you know, go out and say, i'm going to telling the truth to the people of new hampshire all the time. >> right. but that doesn't seem to be -- i mean, jeff, am i wrong? that doesn't seem to be his philosophy. he thinks -- i mean he thinks everybody's a sucker, that they can be lied to, it seems like. >> well, but i think he has a lot of company in that view in the republican party and in the white house. i mean he was playing for an audience of one, i thought. you know, he was displaying enormous contempt, not in the legal sense, but just in the personal sense for the members of congress, you know, baiting them, taunting them, you know, calling eric swalwell president swalwell because swaul pelwell n unsuccessful campaign for president. he was performing for donald trump, and i think donald trump
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appreciated that. and i don't think donald trump -- it bothered him that lewandowsky admitted to lying because he lied to msnbc, and that's like the belly of the beast for these people. >> right. >> so i mean i just -- i think, you know, the moral quality of the audience is appropriate. >> i would just say his audience was not donald trump. his audience was trump supporters in new hampshire. >> fair enough. >> i would beg to differ with you there. >> although he still wants to please daddy. there's no doubt he's still, you know -- >> i don't think he has any problem with that. i think he's trying to secure the trump voters in new hampshire to get that primary away. >> thank you. appreciate it. coming up next, if, as we've been discussing, the goal was public persuasion, what do democrats actually think they accomplished today? how are they going to say that they accomplished something? you'll hear from one committee member who had her own confrontation with cor rye lewandowsky? and later, we'll talk to someone who, unlike lewandowsky, has broken with the president,
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well, corey lewandowski has finished his testimony, if it can be called that, in front of the house judiciary committee. he was combative when pressed by democrats on a day that was marked mostly by what he refused to say, which raises the question of what, if anything, house democrats will do in the face of what behavior that committee chairman nadler calls, quote, completely unacceptable. that in turn may depend on what viewers made of the hearings and moments like this one with democratic congressman shelia jackson lee and mr. lewandowski. >> the president knew what he was doing was wrong because everyone else had already said no. he called his white house counsel to fire the special counsel. mcgahn said no. he called the attorney general to ask him to unrecuse himself from the special counsel's investigation.
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sessions said no. his white house counsel said there should be no contact with sessions because of his recusal. so what does the president do? he calls you in to do what everyone else wouldn't do. he called you in to do his dirty work in secret, because he knew it was wrong. >> time. >> well, we will expose the truth. >> at the time of the -- >> and you should be here to tell the truth because the truth will set you free and the american people. i yield back. >> the time of the gentle lady has expired. the witness may answer the question. >> i don't believe there was a question, congressman. >> yes, there was. >> can you repeat the question? it was just a rant. >> whatever you call it, as you heard at the top of the program, that was neither the first such utterance nor the first such snippy remark from the witness. i spoke about it with the congresswoman just before air time. congresswoman jackson lee, what, if anything, do you think today's hearing actually accomplished? >> well, in fact, it was enormously valuable.
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our mission today was to follow the obstruction of justice that was promulgated, promoted, enhanced, encouraged by this administration. i think you're well aware, anderson, that article 3 in the nixon articles was the obstruction of congress. and clearly, today, corey lewandowski promoted and encouraged by a letter from the white house, clearly attempted to obstruct congress and follow the obstruction that was again perpetrated in the white house, along the lines of dealing with the attorney general, mr. mcgahn, mr. dearborn, and mr. porter. that is clearly a part of our duty as we are in the midst of an impeachment investigation. one of the questions in the mueller report, of course, was what congress would do next after volume two, where he laid out the obstruction and indicate
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t ed that he could not exonerate the president. >> but if you're saying what corey lewandowski today was doing was obstruction, i assume you mean that it's -- it was orchestrated by the president or at the direction of the white house. is there anything you can actually do about that? >> absolutely. first of all, we'll be reviewing the transcript and there's a question of whether or not mr. lewandowsky will be held in contempt for obvious places on the record where he told an untruth. in the last series of questioning by counsel, he clearly, in fact, objected to his own words, objected to what was in the actual report that he obviously said to mr. mueller. and he also said in open television interviews that he had nothing to do or no one asked him to do anything with respect to talking to general sessions. all of that was untrue and he was under oath. >> what do you say, though, to those who watched today's hearing, who tuned in and came
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away thinking that it just shows politics at its worst? both sides trying to score political points, talking past each other. is that the way it should go? what do you say to people who saw that and just think, this is just sort of a mess? >> well, we haven't been through an impeachment process now for maybe almost -- maybe two decades. i was here for the impeachment of president clinton, which we know was brought by the republicans. and if people remember, they were operating under the independent counsel, and i would say that they came with their minds already made up. it's not a pretty process, but it is a necessary process. and i think in the questioning of members on the democratic side, as we proceeded and mr. lewandowsky understood he was under oath and he had to ask questions, there was some very
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vital line of questionings that went forward. and i think the record will show that unfortunately we evidenced an effort by this administration, particularly the president, to do something that should not have been done, which is to try to get the attorney general to un-recuse himself. >> but we knew, according to the mueller report, lewandowsky had done this. lewandowsky talked to mueller. dearborn talked to mueller. so you didn't learn anything actually new today, did you? >> well, what we did have that is important is a viable witness that gave substance to the mueller report. this is a form of educating the american public. remember the senate held hearings for about nine months until the smoking gun of the tapes showed up. and so this is to educate the american public, to show someone who was actually engaged in the actual receiving of a message and interaction with the
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president, go do this. go interfere with the mueller investigation. i am the person who was asked to do it. there he was in living color. now, he would not answer based on the letter that was given to him by the white house, which clearly was not one that was relevant to his testimony. but he kept using it because he was not giving counsel to the president on any decisions that -- >> he's not on the white house staff at all. >> not at all, and he never got into the white house, anderson, as you well know. so he couldn't be covered by that privilege. but he used it. that's obstruction. but also he was the actual point person that the president used to sidestep the very persons on his staff, on the payroll, that he could have asked directly if it was, in fact, legal and the appropriate thing to do. >> congresswoman jackson lee, i appreciate it. thank you. >> thank you for having me. up next, reaction to lewandowsky's contentious hearing from someone who did work in the trump white house, no longer supports the
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as we mentioned at the top of the broadcast, when corey lewandowski was refusing to answer questions, president trump was watching from air force one, tweeting his approval, his display of loyalty and how highly the president values it whether he reciprocates or not. joining us now is anthony scaramucci, who no longer supports the president. when you watched corey lewandowsky giving that testimony, can you explain to me why people are loyal to a guy who, if they leave him and say any little thing, any disagreement, not even big, just any little thing, he goes after that? >> you've got to be at 105% or
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13 for 12. so corey has made the decision that he wants to be in politics and perhaps is running for the republican nomination for the senate, and he believes that he needs president trump's support for that. and so -- >> so that's his calculus? >> look, i like corey, i get along with corey, he's a friend of mine. and i respect corey, but the whole notion about the whole loyalty conflict, i get it. there's many, many people trapped in the trump loyalty matrix, where you want to be a good person, you want to be loyal to a guy that you work for, you love the country, but then you have to stop and you have to weigh everything, okay? what i would say to corey or other people is you've got to focus on people as opposed to policy or your own personal agenda. and just step back and look at it from a personal perspective, about the harm that is now taking place to the civilization and the harm that is now taking place to the country. >> but does corey lewandowski -- if you look at president trump's life, there's not a lot of people who have been in his life
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for a long period of time who are really close to him other than, i guess, his family members. loyalty is not something he's known for despite what he says. >> i was originally asked to serve in the opl position. somebody i'm close to here in new york, he says, remember, not one of president trump's quote/unquote longtime friends are going into that government. they understand the nature of the beast and understand the centrifuge and that whole diagram of people coming in on the conveyor belt and the backstabbing and all that sort of nonsense. he drops people like a hot potato because he's an incredibly detached guy. so when he fired corey, corey had the opportunity to go negative on him. he decided not to. i respect corey for that. when i got fired, my instincts were to take a high road and try to help the president. i'm a republican. i would like to see him do well. and certainly you want to see the president of the united states do well. but when he's ask "cting in thi sort of way, with this level of mental decline, and he's literally disrupting the entire organism of the executive
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branch, and you love the country, you've got to just step back and look at it for what it is and tell people the truth so at least there's a surgeon general warning's label from the people on the inside know what's going on. >> it was interesting to hear corey lewandowski just flat-out say when under oath, he has no problem lying to reporters, which is lying to the american people. he was talking about ari melber in particular, but lying to the american people in public statements that he makes on television, which is, obviously, the president has a problem with the truth. >> the president praised him for that. but here's the problem, though. it's like, you know, you know leadership matters. and obviously, the old proverb, the fish stinks from the head down. the president is giving a license to lie people. he's giving a license for anger. he's giving a license for racial tension. he's literally tearing at the fabric of the american social society. and so now there's a very wide berth, and now he's praising people that are in his camp, and he's denigrating the people that are not in his camp. so that's also a bullying process for the president. he has very, very low self-esteem. so what you have to do, you have
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to 100% agree with him because god forbid you disagree. so when you think about leadership, you need people in a leadership position that are willing to accept dissent, otherwise you can't get anything done. if you disagree with me, it may still be my decision if i'm the ceo, with anderson, but let's have the conversation so we can figure out what we're doing from a policy perspective. >> when the president talks about being a great dealmaker, i'm wondering from your perspective, have you ever met somebody who is so easily flattered, who actually sort of needs flattering, and it -- have you noticed that? >> but i'll say something. the flattering sort of doesn't work, okay? because he's such an empty vessel. he's such a black hole for this sort of stuff. what actually works for the president temporarily is finding somebody like a rex tillerson who has had a more august career than him, is way more respected than him, throwing him into the president's personal fire. that gives him like a temporary relief from the low self-esteem that he has, okay? so, you know, you could flatter
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the president all day long, but he has such low self-esteem, he's not really buying into that flattery. what he's looking at is from a transactional moment, corey good, corey helping me on tv right now, corey blocking and defending me. the other guy, matt, whatever his name is. it's sort of bizarre. they're blocking and tackling for the president. they're good. other people that are telling truth to power to the american people, they're bad. >> i just want to play something -- >> but i like corey, and i respect corey, and i do think at some point people like corey will say, okay, no mas. i do predict that. >> at a rally in new mexico last night, the president singled out steve cortes, who appears on cnn. he also said this. >> he happens to be hispanic, but i've never quite figured it out, because he looks more like a wasp more than i do. nobody loves the hispanics more. who do you like more? the country or the hispanics? he says, the country. i don't know. i may have to go for the
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hispanics to be honest with you. we've got a lot of hispanics. we love our hispanics. get out and vote. >> what does that mean? >> well, he's trying to make a joke there. >> i got the steve cortes and the wasp thing >> he's trying to make a joke, but the problem is, he uses that possessive thing, you're my this or you're my that, it's a little bit demeaning, a little bit possessive. it's order nant too. the also thing he also said about the rhinos. but you've got tinos, people that are trump in name only, anderson. you see what i mean? so when that spell breaks, they're all going to break. it's like i said to you during the summer, it's the night king, it's the wicked witch. once the water gets thrown on this guy and the perceived power that he has that's making those gray knights shake in their boots, once the green witch melts, the wicked witch of the west wing, when it completely melts, those people will be
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like, i don't know what i was doing. i don't know why i was saying all of those things. that will happen, because the american people are on to it. the approval numbers are sliding. also, the military is on to it. you can't lie about the weather and be a general and say, okay, this guy is the commander in chief. he's going to lie about anything. the military is on to it, the people that work for him are on to it, many people inside the white house are on to it. obviously the hill is on to it. but they're clinging to it because they have a power base right now and it's about their personage as opposed to the american people. so my message to my fellow republicans, think about the country. put your patriotism first, your partisanship second. admit that there's a very, very serious problem. and let's work on the problem. >> is there any -- >> like every good business person would do. >> as a republican who is obviously looking for an alternative to president trump, is there a democrat -- and i imagine there's a lot of -- certainly a lot of independents, a lot of folks in the suburbs, a lot of people who might be in your position looking for an alternative.
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there a democrat in this field that you see that can match him? >> >> listen, i'm an optimist. i think it's a little bit too early for me to answer that hypothetical. >> i'm not asking you to endorse anybody. >> i only did one white house press briefing. i don't want to answer them. >> but when you see in general the democratic field, what stands out to you? >> let's see what happens. let's see who becomes the ultimate nominee and let's see what their real policy positions are and where they're attacking and where you think they're really going to serve the american people. but if you believe that the president of the united states is in full blown mental decline, if you believe that he can't manage a process at the executive branch level. if you believe that he's disrupted the entire international military security complex around the united states, and he's weakened our power around the world, and he's weakened our regional power, if you really, really believe that, you're not going to vote for the guy. okay, now who you're going to vote for, we have to have that conversation, and hopefully what will happen is those approval numbers will keep slipping. and then other people that would likely run in 2024 will get
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pulled into the race in 2020. what i would say to those people, what kind of standing are we going to have in america when you see everything that's going on and you can look at it analytically and objectively as a statesperson. you're going to say i whistled past president trump's graveyard. >> i think there's going to be a lot of folks in the republican party that once the trump time ends are going to distance themselves. >> i didn't want to get bullied by him. he bullied anthony scaramucci's wife on twitter because he's a low life. i'm now waiting here until 2024, and now i have standing to be your president? how are you going to pull that one off? you got to be fearless, anderson. you got to tell people the truth so that we can fix the problem right now because it's a national and international crisis that could happen if we don't fix it. >> anthony scaramucci, thank you. appreciate it. >> good to be here. democrats on the senate flor this evening making pleas for gun control legislation. i'll talk with the senator who helped organize the effort next. morning. what are you doing?
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breaking news tonight. democrats on the senate floor at this moment in a marathon session giving speeches on the impact of gun violence in their communities and the inaction on the issue from president trump and senate republicans. a republican leadership source told cnn today, quote, overall,
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there isn't widespread support and i don't see it changing enough for it to happen. republican majority leader mitch mcconnell once again suggested he has no power over this issue, only the president does. >> i want to know what the president supports. it's not unimportant to my members. >> what do you understand are the remaining sticking points? >> what i would like to know is what he thinks would make some progress and he would sign. and until we get that kind of guidance, we're in a holding pattern so to speak. >> joining us now is the democratic senator who helped organize tonight's speeches on the senate floor and has been one of the senators who stalled talks with the white house over gun control, chris murphy of connecticut. senator murphy, what do you hope to accomplish tonight? >> well, listen, we're using every lever that we have to try to shame our republican colleagues into doing something on an issue that is frankly not controversial anywhere but inside the united states congress, right?
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background checks is supported by 90% of americans, 80% of gun owners, 70% of nra members think that you should get a background check to prove that you're not a dangerous criminal before you buy a gun. and so, you know, by being on the floor tonight, i think we're speaking to a lot of our republican colleagues who maybe for a long time have known what the right thing to do was, but didn't think that they had the political space from the gun lobby to do it. i have a lot of my republican colleagues over the last week or so who have come to me and said, you know what, if president trump ends up supporting something on universal background checks or expanded background checks, i think i might be able to vote for it this time. now, i wish they didn't wait for the president to decide what their position is, but there's a moment here. there's an opportunity to get something done, and we're going to try to capitalize on that this evening. >> is it just a strategy? mitch mcconnell saying, we're just waiting on word from the white house. we're talking about a co-equal branch of government here that
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he is part of. >> yeah, mitch mcconnell clearly has a different copy of the constitution than all the rest of us, because this isn't the first issue in which he throws his arms up in the air and says, i can't do anything about it unless the president blesses it. it's further signal that the republican party is basically just a political appendage of donald trump. they openly advertise that they have no interest in doing anything that he doesn't give them permission for. but on the other hand, anderson, i guess part of me does understand that the republican party that has been so intertwined with the nra for so long needs someone to stick a wedge between the two and pry them apart. and that may be president trump. if president trump were to come out in the next several days for expanded background checks, i think you would have a lot of republicans eager to rally around him because they are deeply uncomfortable with how tied they have become to an issue. do nothing on the issue of guns in this country, that is unacceptable to their voters. >> speaker pelosi and minority leader schumer, they told the
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president on sunday that any had to include a house-passed bill. some republicans saying that demand did more harm than good in terms of getting anything passed. are they right? >> well, as you mentioned, i've been in negotiations with the white house along with senator toomey and senator manchin. we are not going to be able to get the white house to agree to universal background checks. we may be able to expand background checks to all commercial sales. i understand that that's senator schumer and speaker pelosi's position. i, of course, would like to have a universal background checks bill pass the senate, but let's see. if we can get a deal with the white house, let's put that agreement up on the senate floor. perhaps let's put it next to a universal background checks proposal, and let's see what can get 60 votes. >> i also want to ask you about the attacks on the saudi oil field. investigators have determined that the attacks came from an iranian base near iraq. how close do you think the u.s. is to an armed conflict or to
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some sort of armed response? >> what the united states of america should be doing right now is de-escalating this conflict between the saudis and the united states and the iranians instead of escalating it. let's remember how this all started. it started when the united states pulled out of the iranian nuclear accord and started sanctioning the iranian oil economy. and so iran has responded in kind by going after saudi and american oil assets in the region. it would be a disaster for the united states to pretend as if we have a defense treaty with saudi arabia and start firing missiles into iran, causing a new regional war. i don't want to see how donald trump performs as a wartime president. what we should be doing right now is engaging in diplomacy to ramp down these tensions and any alternative is ultimately going to be much worse off in the long run for us and our saudi partners. >> yeah. senator chris murphy, i appreciate it. thank you. >> thanks. sean spicer was the best dancer last night with the
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ladies and gentlemen, behold, sean spicer from "dancing with the stars." ♪ >> the former press secretary put a unique twist on his performance. it seems the spicy salsa he did last night wasn't enough. neither was the outfit. he decided to push back on twitter after being the second lowest score of night, when he responded to a tweet supporting his performance. spicer tweeted this, and i quote, clearly those judges are not going to be with me. let's send a message to hollywood that those of us who stand for christ won't be discounted. spicer has since deleted the tweet referencing jesus christ and has replaced it with a more subdued "thank you, mike huckabee" thank you for your
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support and prayers. chris, you know, your favorite lyrics in this are slam it to the left if you're having a good time, shake it to the right if you know that you feel fine, shake it to the front, ha, ha, i see ya, hold tight. >> yup. >> what are you doing at the top of the hour? >> i'm hoping i can stop moving. the dance is just infectious. and i haven't seen that shirt since you had it on what was it two, three years ago and we were out. i don't know how he found out your tailor but it does not look as good on him. >> that's the straight truth. >> that's the gay truth, too. if he thinks it's appealing to the 4%, it is not. >> he made a mistake. i know where he got that play from about going to god the way he did. i've heard it before from his boss. i'll play it tonight. >> i remember, he said it to you actually. >> yes. >> i remember that, it was off stage after a debate.
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>> that's exactly right. look at you. i knew you cared. we're going to take that on tonight and we also have andrew mccabe and his first interview on cnn talking about the most recent allegations and his best defense. we got that, too. >> we'll be looking for that at about 7 minutes from now. shake it to the right or the left, depending on your point of view. new polling revealing a changing democratic race -- i'm all flustered from that neon. we will be right back. managing lipids
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the enthusiasm is certainly clear at her events. cnn's m. j. lee has more. >> i'll stay afterwards as long as anyone wants to take selfies. some things we just don't mess with. >> reporter: elizabeth warren kept that promise monday night after a campaign rally in new york's washington square park. the presidential candidate sticking around for four additional hours for what her campaign calls the selfie line. thousands of warren supporters waiting for the chance to snap a photo with the massachusetts senator. the long queue wrapping around the park, well into the night. the campaign's tally from monday night, 4,000 total bringing the total count this year to almost 60,000. >> reporter: will you keep doing them as the lines keep getting longer as we get to iowa? >> the lines getting longer, that's a good thing. i put on my sneakers and a cooler sweater so we could keep
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doing it last night. but it was terrific. it was being able to say heart to heart to people who came in from all around the area and who really are in this fight. >> reporter: warren's own campaign manager telling cnn that he wasn't exactly sold when his boss first proposed the idea. >> she said what if we invited every person who wanted to come to the stage to take a photo to come on stage. i said, no, we can't do that. she said why? i said it's going to take forever and you're going to be tired and it's going to be exhausting. >> reporter: eventually she won him over. >> she said if there's a single person who didn't get to talk to me or get a photo, then it's a failure. she's right. >> reporter: the campaign said it's an important way of growing grass roots support. >> we did wait for a selfie for a very long time and it's worth
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it to them and they've gotten a lot of mileage on social media. >> it's selfie time. >> m.j. lee, cnn, new york. >> all right. the news, let's hand it over to chris for "cuomo primetime." i went home at 9:30. i live near there. there was still a line. i was like what are these people waiting in line for? i thought it was a new ice cream store. >> that's always a chance. not an unreasonable assumption. we have the "wizard of oz" here to take us inside the numbers. thank you, my friend. welcome to "primetime." in my hand, new information about that whistleblower claim that the dni has not sent to the house intel committee. this is their explanation for why it's not going to happen. where it stands, what is likely to follow, we'll take you through it on our watch. today of the first impeachment hearing did hauling in the president's ex-campaign manager help or harm the democrats'