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>> i am not your excuse to buy a new dress for the annual fundraiser. >> i am not the poster child for your big donation. >> i am out of debts and in my own home. >> i am off opioids. >> i'm graduating on time and on my way to a great job. >> i am. >> we are. >> what it means to live united. we're seeing as house democrat is send out these subpoenas. >> we're not fooling around here. >> secretary of state mike pompeo missed the deadline for a house democrat subpoena for documents and testimony. >> congress also requesting documents from vice president mike pence. >> to report of a second
possible whistle-blower on ukraine. >> this is a hoax. this is the greatest hoax. >> some people say why are you doing this? he's not worth it. i say he might not be, but our constitution is worth it. >> he's good at getting everybody fired up, and he's been doing that for a while. bernie sanders spent two days at the hospital in las vegas after being treated for a heart attack. >> hello, everybody. i just got out of the hospital and i feel so much better. see you soon on the campaign trail. well, good morning to you. it is saturday, and we're so grateful for your company. i'm christi paul. >> and i'm boris sanchez. so glad to be here. >> boy, did you come in on a weekend. a lot to talk about. another flood of headlines regarding the impeachment specifically. i want to start with secretary
of state mike pompeo who did not meet the deadline to hand over documents pertaining to ukraine. on top of that they issued a new s&p, this for the white house to hand over their documents. >> meantime there could be a second whistle-blower. "the new york times" reporting another intelligence official with even more direct knowledge of the phone call between trump and ukraine's president has concerns with the president's dealings with ukraine. this person also reportedly interviewed by the inspector general to corroborate the initial account. >> and finally the "washington post" reporting this morning the president's phone calls with foreign leaders, quote, an anxiety-ridden event for his staff. they've been worried with promises he shouldn't keep, commit a diplomatic blunlder or pressure a counterpart for a personal favor. i want to go to kristen holmes
who's joining us from washington. how is the white house responding to the s&ps? >> good morning, christi and boris. so far the seasons change nothing and they blame democrats saying they're not doing anything, but this really shows this investigation is ramping up on capitol hill. these subpoenas come after a letter came from three committees conducting the investigation sent to vice president pence, requesting more documents from him, saying they have interest in any role he might have had in any communications or messages to ukraine. i do want to know one thing here. before they even issued the subpoena, the white house was considering sending out a note -- sending a note to speaker pelosi that said that they didn't have to comply with this investigation because it wasn't a real impeachment investigation, citing the fact there hadn't been a house vote
yet. they'll keep their eyes out for that. they say it could come as early as monday. as you said, president trump is doubling down. he's calling the investigation a witch hunt and he's blaming democrats. >> you know better than anybody. for the last three years, democrats, lawmakers, they're deep state cronies. the state media has been colluding in their effort to overturn the presidential election. 63 million people voted and did nullify the votes of the american people and many african-american people voted for trump. >> now, we heard from house speaker pelosi last night who insists this is not political. take a listen to what she had to say. >> some people say why are you doing this, he's not worth it, to divide the country this way. i say he may not be, but our constitution is worth it, our
democracy is worth it. >> and, guys, it is important to remember here we're still at the beginning. there has not been that house vote, the official vote to launch this impeachment process, so keep in mind this is where we are and it's already ugg will. it's going to get much uglier. back to you. >> thank you very much. >> vooice president mike pence in greece this morns. >> sarah westwood has more. >> secretary of state mike pompeo missed the deadline for a house democrat subpoena for the phone calls between president trump and zelensky. this is the third time he's
blown through. they started seeking these documents september 9th. democrats wanted conversations related to the phone call between trump and zelensky but also related to the president's decision to suspend military aid to ukraine around the time that phone call took place. house democrats said they would consider it obstruction under their impeachment inquiry if they did not comply with the subpoena, but pompeo issued a defiant response earlier this week saying he did not agree with the conditions they laid out under the subpoena including the fact they didn't want state house lawyers accompanying them to the committee because they wanted to get the most candid testimony possible. pompeo argued the state department's interest might not be protected if that were the case. but they call it a stonewalling
over requests ten months into the investigation. but again democrats said they will consider any stone walling obstruction under their inquiry, and that could be included if any articles of impeachment were to be filed in the future. sarah westwood, cn, washington. >> thank you for that. let's bring in errol louis and cnn come pme commentator pa pate. do these documents actually have teeth? what can they do if the white house delay this and it winds up in court? >> ultimately, boris, i think the court is going to have to determine whether the white house or secretary of state have to comply with these subpoenas. this issue normally does not go before a court this early in the subpoena process before the house has oh fijally voted to
have an impeachment inquiry. i understand their positions. look, we're not going to file until you officially declare an impeachment process. i could see a judge requiring something formal before he forces those subpoenas that have been served on the white house and the secretary of state. >> page, to be clear and to followup on that, there's no legal requirement necessarily for democrats, house speaker nancy pelosi to hold this vote on the floor of the house, but you think a judge might necessarily make that the case, might require that. >> right. i do, boris. there's nothing in the constitution. there's nothing in federal law that says you have to hold an impeachment inquiry before you issue subpoenas. congress does that all the time without having an official vote. but if you have to go to court to enforce these subpoenas, that's not an unusual thing. judges in the past have said, look, i'm going to allow
congress a lot more latitude if they're in the middle of an impeachment inquiry, and it would be so much easier if congress were to step forward and say that's what we're doing here, that's why these subpoenas are especially important, that's why we need them enforced. >> errol, to you, from the white house perspective, we're hearing the impeachment inquiry is being led by two people jared kushner and he acting chief of staff, mick mulvaney. do you think that's a sign they don't take it as sear yuzly as they did the mueller probe or they brought in a slew of attorneys? >> i think it is a sign. seriously in a political sense, not necessarily a legal sense. the mueller probe was all about trying to withhold documents and slow the process down and so forth. we're in an odd position because normally you'll get whistle-blower documents and
subpoenas and it's supposed to lead up to a smoking gun. in this case the president himself is not only describing the conversations, but he's defending them and making them more public. to a certain extent congress is filling in the blanks and trying to figure out to what extent others were involved. what was the role of the secretary of state and vice president and all of that. the underlying, the most explosive or impeachable facts are not in dispute here, which is a little unusual. >> errol, i want to stay with you with regard to this second whistle-blower. a second official with more information about trump's attempts to sway the ukrainian leadership, what do you make of that? >> here again, we're kind of filling in the outlines of a picture that the president has already drawn. it sounds as though the second possible whistle-blower would be more credible, would have more information, might name more
names and more fully complete the picture of how all of this went about. what's interesting, boris, it's the reaction in some ways that's almost the most important part of this, the fact that career officials were alarmed, startled, were led to try to memorialize and inform others about what they consider to be improper and possibly criminal conduct. over and over we're seeing it. we're seeing referrals to the justice department, whistle-blower complaints, apparently furtive actions by the white house to try to cover up some of this stuff. clearly something is wrong and the second whistle-blower might further explain that to us. >> page, the white house, the administration can try to stonewall when it comes to providing documents to congress, but having a second whistle-blower -- having a whistle-blower in general, it's tougher for the president to try to stop them from providing nvgs right? >> that's true. and i understand the attorney
general's rationale, the first was corroborated. the more people that come forward, the more evidence is stacked up, and the stronger congress's case is to pursue an impeachment. >> all right. page pate, we'll see you in the next hour. errol louis, we'll see you again in just a couple of minutes. >> thank you. here's a question for you. is bernie sanders healthy enough for the campaign trail? new questions about the senator's health, about his age after doctors reveal he actually suffered a heart attack earlier this week. also, a potential phone hacking scandal involving prince harry's voice mail. details ahead. and a man walking his dogs miraculously survives a lightning strike. we're going to have more of that coming up. i can't believe it.
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right now and bernie sanders promises he's going to return to the campaign trial despite the fact his doctors indicated he had a heart attack earlier this week. >> he left the hospital yesterday and in a video he posted online, he reassured supporters he isn't going anywhere. >> hello, everybody. we're in las vegas. i just got out of the hospital a few hours ago, and i'm feeling so much better.
i just want to thank all of you for the love and warm wishes that you sent to me. see you soon on the campaign trail. >> cnn's ryan nobles has more for us. good morning, ryan. >> boris and christi, sanders left the hospital after being treated for a heart attack. he and his wife waved outside the hospital. they spent 2 1/2 days there after experiencing chest pains tuesday night at an event in las vegas. two of the doctors who treated him put out a statement that scribed his hospital stay as uneventful and he had a good expected progress. they confirm he had two stents placed in an artery to combat a blockage but also said he was diagnosed with a mild cardial infargs, which is the clinical term for a heart attack. he's promised that he's going to
return in time for the cnn debate, which takes place on october 15th. now, inside the campaign i was told there was no real deliberation as to whether or not he would continue his run for president. sanders who felt immediately better after the procedure to have the stents put in, felt so much better and was ready to get back on the trail and while he feels better and doctors say this is good, there's no doubt about this issue going forward. he just turned 78, which has been a knock on his campaign. now with the recent heart attack added to the mix, it's going to make an argument that it's going to be much more difficult. he's been healthy most of his life. after this break he seemed prepared to pick up right where he left off. boris and christi? >> thank you for that. let's bring back in errol louis. he's 78 years old.
he recently had a heart attack, but for three days the campaign didn't tell anyone about the severity of the situation. what do you make of that? >> that's right. they very specifically, boris, tried to get all of us in the news media to not use the words "heart attack." i think most people adhered to that. we waited until it was official. some testiof the heart tissue actually dies and then they call it a heart attack as opposed to anything else. the campaign was doing what it's supposed to do, put the best face on it. on the other hand there's some news they're not going to be able to cover up or spin. you know, according to the american heart association, there's a 20% after you've had a heart attack of having a second one over a five-year period. these are questions they're going to have to ask. i think it makes it less likely that they can avoid questions
like, you know, what kind of prescription medicine has your doctor recommended? is it statins? is it beta blockers? what's your exercise regimen going to be? all of those are going to be relevant questions. >> possibly relevant to fell low candidates. we know the primary debate is coming up october 15th. sanders promises he's going to be there. how likely is it some of the younger candidates are going to pick this up? >> i think they're going to tread very carefully around this question because this is a country where many, many people revere our elders, right, and his experience and his time on the campaign trail has really drawn a lot of people to him and bernie sanders cannot and should not be dismissed out of hand simply because he had a medical issue. if he had fallen down skiing or something like that, i don't think anybody would say, well,
you can't be president. i think people are going to be very careful about that. on the other hand, he's going to have to be careful and not dismiss it as something that's completely irrelevant. again, you look out over the horizon. if he does manage to win the election next year, there will be four years after that, and he would by far be the oldest president we've ever elected. >> he might spin this. shortly after he was released from the hospital he was fortunate to have good health care. look at the tweet he sent out. he rides no one should fear going bankrupt when a medical emergency oh curse. he tweeted out medicare for all. it's probably a safe bet he's going to use this on the stump, isn't it? >> certainly right on brand. and i bet he'll be able to pull out some of those frighteningly high bills he won't have to pay because he has insurance to back him up, but he can certainly underscore the progress that
most of us know about, and the subtlety of it. he was going about his business, engaged in his profession, and right in the middle of it something catastrophic happened. >> errol louis, always appreciate having you here. thanks for sticking around. >> sure. get ready for the democratic presidential debate live from ohio. tuesday, october 15th, 8:00 p.m. eastern. the white house scandals pings more state department officials. two are expected to testify next week. we'll get reaction from a former u.n. ambassador. and outrage as one reportedly vows to stay silent with what's going on there. we're live on the ground as the
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prl's goals in ukraine. this week the messages were handed over to the house by kurt volker the former u.n. ambassador for ukraine. jessica schneider has the details. >> former u.s. special envoy to ukraine kurt volker's statement to lawmakers details rudy giuliani's influence on president trump's perception of you crepe as he tried to convince the president that ukraine's new government was serious about stopping corruption. volker said he met with him in late may. the president said they tried to take me down. the president referring to a theory that it was ukraine, not russia, that interfered in the 2016 election that. was debunked. volker also released statements on how giuliani was determined
to push ukraine on joe biden and his son as well as the theory i. volker texted zelensky's aide, heard from the white house, assuming president z convinces trump he will investigate, get to the bottom of what happened in 2016. he said it simply has no credible meaning to me. volker's involvement is clear fr. this text in early august to ruddy giuliani. hi, mr. mayor, had a good chance with yermak last night. he was pleased with your statement. can we get on the phone to make sure i advise z correctly as to
what he should be saying? that statement was never released. on august 30th, the top american diplomat in crew crane william taylor tells volker the president has canceled his trip to ukraine. the next day he texted the u.s. ambassador to the european union. are we now saying it's conditioned on conditions? he responds, call me. on september 9th he again brings up the point. sondeland texts back hours later defending the president. i believe you're incorrect about president trump's assumptions. volker also said in his opening statement he didn't become aware that foreign aid to ukraine was being held up at the same time he was connecting aides with
rudy giuliani. but he said he did not see those two issues to be linked in any way. jessica schneider, cnn, washington. >> thank you. there's another state department official caught up in the questions swirling over ukraine. ousted ambassador maria van v h vich. removing her from the post was a top priority from the administration after the president's personal attorney rudy giuliani complained she was undermining efforts to investigate the bidens. to talk about this, i want to bring in a former ambassador to denmark, one of more than 50 female ambassadors who signed in support of academy bass doria
van vich. what was in this letter? >> we're a group of women ambassadors serving america and we wrote in support of ambassador yevanovich because she is with a well respected diplomat and the way she's been treated is not only personally offensive to me, to watch this happen to a diplomat i respect, but it undermines our system of american foreign policy and the career foreign service, and i think that's just way out of line. i noam bass door yovanovitch. she was the principal secretary of state for european affairs which made her one of my primary contacts at the department of state and i always found her to be intelligent, prepared,
responsive, and extremely dedicated to the american point of view, so i was pleased to join my fellow women ambassadors and support ambassador yovanovitch and look forward to hearing her testimony next week. >> so you see no potential reason why she would have been dismissed. >> i was in ukraine on the 21st of june -- or april, the day zelensky was elected president. i was there as part of an election monitoring team with national democratic ins stuttit ndi, and another was with us. we were briefed prior to the balloting by ambassador yovanovitch who was the ambassador again. again, she was extremely well prepared. she was, you know, perfect. and then a few weeks later after i'm back in the united states i see that she has been dismissed
from her post, and i was astounded. my initial reaction was this is bad for the united states. why would we after a new president in ukraine has been elected, a president with no political experience, why would we pull our extremely dedicated and terrific ambassador? why would we do that? that does not benefit united states interest. so i'm -- i'm dismayed that it happened and i think it undermines our career foreign service. >> ambassador fulton, i want to ask you some of these texts regarding someone else you know, u.s. ambassador wayne taylor. he texted gordon sondland and a
prominent republican supporter saying are we now saying white house meetings are conditioned on investigations. sondland said at that point, call me. and then on september 9th, taylor said, as i said on the phone, i think it's crazy. sondland said later i believe you're incorrect about president trump's intentions. the president has been crystal clear, no quit proquo of any kind. you know william taylor. is it realistic a man who had been an ambassador to ukraine would misunderstand? >> no. i know him. he is, again, dedicated to american interests and dedicated
to diplomacy. and he is as bright as they come. he's not going to misunderstand what's going on. his position is extremely revealing to me that he understands that the united states is now trying to make military assistance to ukraine contingent upon the new president saying ta he will investigate an investigation that benefits president trump politically. i'm astounded. >> real quickly before i let you go, we've heard speaker pelosi, even representative jacky spears, refer to rudy giuliani as running a, quote, shadow state department. first of all, do you believe it to be accurate, and secondly, is it uncommon for a president to
have a personal attorney be involved in foreign relations as we see rudy giuliani to have been? >> i've never seen anything like this. i confess i do not quite understand rudy giuliani's role with the president. i certainly do not understand his role viva veilleux crane or united states foreign policy at all. i've never seen anything like this. >> from ambassador laurie fulton, we appreciate you taking the time -- make some time for us, i should say. ambassador, thank you so much. >> thank you. protesters are taking to the streets in hong kong for the 18th straight weekend. while u.s. officials may not be getting involved in the protests any time soon. a live report next. we're proving the new keurig k-duo brewer makes any occasion the perfect coffee occasion. (bullhorn) roll up! roll up!. oh it's a work morning! breakfast in bed! all you have to do is add ground coffee for a carafe, or pop in a pod for a freshly brewed cup. so it does both! it's so good.
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public transit system this time was shut down. it's still close and will remain so today. a 14-year-old is in critical condition after hong kong police opened fire on protesters for a second time. >> to put this in context, all of this is happening as sources tell cn president trump promised the chinese president that the u.s. would stay silent on pro-democracy talks. this is just hours after calling on china to investigate joe biden. i want to check in with paula hancocks who's in hong kong this morning. first how are they dealing with protesters defying this ban on masks? >> boris and christi, we just had in the past couple of hours a march of thousands of people through the streets of hong kong. a majority of them were wearing
masks. what we saw is because it was a peaceful march, there was no trouble and police did not get in the way. they eventually dispersed and went home. there's a human chain that's been form and they're heading to one of the police stations, the police station behind me. tonight is very different compared to friday night where we saw a difference of the subway stations, 161 stations have been closed for the entire day. some of the locals frustrated they couldn't get around. but it's brought out fewer people out on the streets at this point, boris. >> have you heard any protests on the ground about the president having this meeting with xi jinping reportedly to not bring up these protests? >> certainly this would be disappointing to many of them because there have been protests dedicated to all kaing for more
u.s. interference into hong kong, more u.s. condemnation of what they see as human rights abuses, of chipping away at the democracy of hong kong. certainly it's not well known here that that is potentially what has happened, but there have been many protesters falling for international intervention. they welcome the fact that the uk, great britain has been very vocal about this. we heard from the foreign minister just briefly. but certainly they want the u.s. on site. one of the main activists here going all the way over to washington, speaking to congress to try to drum up support. so certainly that will be a great disappointment to them. >> glaring that the world's most powerful democracy is not weighing in on these pro-democracy protests. paula hancocks, thanks so much. >> thank you, paula. still to come, the battle against the british media continues for the royals.
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