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to members about this vote, it vindman not saying, court, size of san francisco. decide, you tell me what to do, nearly 200,000 people under says this. we are taking the step to evacuation orders in california he's behind closed doors right eliminate any doubt as to now. wine country. there's a different -- just the the fire there just 15% whet the trump administration may withhold documents, prevent different application already contained. witness testimony, disregard that we're seeing. so we are already seeing the they've got a long way to go. >> we'll keep a very close eye duly authorized subpoenas or move clearly doesn't satisfy the on. we're thinking of everything continue obstructing the house president's allies on the hill. dealing with that in california. of representatives. thanks for being with us. we'll see you back here tomorrow basically, you heard from jim i read that in short, maybe that's what they're -- maybe morning. i'm poppy harlow. jordan, that this is essentially that's what they will be voting an empty vote. >> and i'm jim sciutto. on in this resolution, but will this vote really compel the but one thing that is also doing "at this hour with kate balduan" white house to hand over is it does put moderate starts right now. everything that democrats want? democrats in those swing states >> hello, everyone. >> i don't think so. i'm kate balduan. i think this is more symbolic. that helped democrats win the thanks so much for joining me. majority it, puts some of them so he's a decorated war veteran. i really don't think that this in a tough position. vote in and of itself is going some not, because they have said he received a purple heart after to suddenly reverse course for very clearly that they want to being wounded by an ied in iraq. the white house. this is the old one-two punch by vote. but some, it is putting them in he's a current white house a tough spot, it puts them on pelosi. she is coming from a position of official. the national security council's power, right, on the heels of the record, forces them on the top expert on ukraine, actually. that federal district court record at this point on he's an active member of the judge's ruling, saying, essentially impeachment. i think to play anthony br u.s. army. basically eviscerating the white lieutenant colonel alexander house counsel's argument, pat vindman. and he's sitting down in uniform, you see him walking cipollone, who says, we are not brindeesi of new york. down right there. he's sitting down in uniform going to take this inquiry as a >> are you going to vote for this resolution? >> to be honest, i haven't even right now with house investigators. legitimate inquiry, because it and according to his opening doesn't follow the precedence of read the text of the resolution yet. statement, he is speaking out nixon and clinton, even though, i'm going to wait and see what against the commander in chief. as we know, you don't need a it says and make a decision this is the first witness to vote. now she's really taking the wind before the vote comes up on out of their sails in that give an interview in the talking point, in that there's thursday. >> he very well might get there. impeachment inquiry who was actually on that july 25th call but he's not trusting in the
no due moroprocess. that sparked the she's now saying, all right, you speaker on this resolution and want a vote, here we go. how it's being written at this whistle-blower's complaint. point. what is colonel vindman's story? she's always said there was >> that's the democrats' version going to be a vote and now of, i haven't read the tweet. they're doing it. >> i haven't read the tweet. he's corroborating the accounts this is part of their strategy of some witnesses, contradicting i haven't read the three-page, the accounts of others. want to partake in any of this exactly. >> it's hard for some of these in that opening statement, people who are not sure where lieutenant colonel vindman says rope-a-dope in the court, use the politics is going to land on he sounded the alarm not once, this. but twice, regarding the whatever block testimony that it's become very partisan. they have, and put a negative if you look at the polling, the president's efforts to pressure inference on it. partisanship really has taken a ukraine. writing this, and this is just hold on the issue of impeachment basically saying, that's going to corroborate the and they are relying on in part. whistle-blower's story. i was concerned by the call, i and so they're going to use that did not think it was proper to in and of itself as an article moderates and maybe even some demand that a foreign government of impeachment, really, for republicans in their districts for the political power that investigate a u.s. citizen and i they have. obstruction. you do hear from democratic was worried about the obstruction of congress. >> and you have chael implications for the u.s. government's support of ukraine. so after all of that, just wait leadership that the way out is just to vote present. they don't have to vote for or until you hear how the president and some republicans are trying against, just to vote present. to disparage lieutenant colonel >> that's a way -- alexander vindman already this >> we should call for that. morning. >> but that is a way out. let's get over to capitol hill but this is what pelosi has been right now. cnn's phil mattingly is there. trying to avoid for a long time. >> yes! so, phil, he's behind closed >> but i do think we may be at a doors right now. what are you already hearing crossroads here, where from in there? >> you know, i think going into democrats -- she's trying to put this, obviously, we've seen the pressure on the republicans, politically, and she's trying to six-page opening statement. and i think what democrats have get this impeachment inquiry to
an end point, as quickly as kind of cekeyed on up to this possible. >> good luck, speaker. point is how much it lines up thanks, guys. with past individuals who have it's great to see you. testified and given depositions all right, still ahead for on several key events. you also underscored the us, after two fatal crashes that significance. led to a worldwide grounding of he is the first current white house official to come in and testify. obviously, the top ukraine the 737 max yet, congress is demanding answers from boeing expert on the national security about the design problems with council inside the white house. the jet and the fix coming from he is also the first individual to come in behind closed door boeing. up next, the ceo of boeing facing a grilling on capitol and testify who was actually listening to the call between hill. farther than ever before... the ukrainian president and president trump. a call which we've seen the transcript to. you look at the bio as well and with more engineers, more towers, democrats are certainly keen on more coverage. this. a career military officer, it's a network that gives you... someone who had a purple heart when he was serving in the war in iraq. and somebody who has dedicated with coverage from big cities, to small towns. his career to a nonpartisan way of doing things or an apolitical introducing t-mobile's 600mhz signal. way of doing things. and that's why people have been so struck by some of the attacks no signal reaches farther or is more reliable. he's received in advance of his testimony. now, these attacks came and it's built 5g ready. primarily from republican commentators, who were questioning, because he was originally born in the soviet union, came from ukraine, emigrated to the united states aveeno® with prebiotic striple oat complex at the age of 3, that perhaps he had dual loyalties or some sort balances skin's microbiome. of smear along those lines. so skin looks like this the president saying in a tweet
and you feel like this. aveeno® skin relief. this morning, that never-trumpers are the only get skin healthy™ people that are coming out and testifying against him. i relayed that to a republican member as i was walking into the capital this morning, just to get his sense. is this the broader message that republicans are going to use to counter testimony that i think most people believe would be damaging to the president. and the members stopped, and i can say, was honestly, legitimately horrified to some degree that this might be the path that they were going down. and i think that's actually been reflected more and more by republicans throughout the course of this day. they will certainly disagree with what mr. vindman, colonel vindman is going to be saying today, but they don't agree with what some republican commentators have done in terms of attacking him. take a listen to what liz cheney, the number three republican and ardent defender of the president had to say just a moment ago. >> i also want to say a word about something else that's been going on over the course of the last several hours and last night, which i think is also shameful. and that is questioning the patriotism, questioning the dedication to country of people
like mr. vindman, lieutenant colonel vindman, who will be coming today, and others who have testified. i think that we need to show that we are better than that as a nation. it is shameful to question their at bayer, we're into the golden years. with better heart treatments, patriotism, their love of this nation. and we should not be involved in advanced brain disease research, that process. and better ways to age gracefully. >> yeah, and just quickly to at bayer, this is why we science. back the member i was talking to this morning, he said, quote, if we do this, we deserve to get our blanks kicked. so i think members are moving away from the republican commentators, but clearly, they still disagree with at least the opinion or the assessment that colonel vindman had related to that call, kate? >> fascinating, phil. all right, so lay out for folks what lieutenant -- lay out what lieutenant colonel vindman is also, additionally, saying in this opening statement and obviously is conveying behind closed doors. he wasn't just concerned about the july 25th call, right? he was also concerned about ambassador gordon sondland. >> yeah, i think this is actually going to be the most important part of the testimony, at least based on the opening statement that we've seen up to this point. is related to ambassador gordon
sondland, you talk about how he went to white house lawyers, national security council lawyers after the july 25th phone call. he also went to white house lawyers after a july 10th meeting, between white house officials and a top ukrainian official, at which point, according to vindman, ambassador sondland brought up the idea of if the ukrainians wanted a visit to the white house their newly inaugurated president, they would need to deal with or make a public statement related to investigations. he says, in part, ambassador sondland emphasized the importance that ukraine deliver the investigations into the 2016 election. the bidens and burisma. i stated to ambassador sondland that his statements were inappropriate, that the requests to investigate biden and his son had nothing to do with national security, and that such investigations were not something the nsc was going to get involved in or push. dr. hill, fiona hill, then entered the room and asserted to ambassador sondland that his statements were inappropriate. let me tell you why this matters. gordon sondland has testified behind closed doors, and in that statement, said he had no recollection of anything related to national security council
officials saying they had problems with the meeting. now fiona hill, bill taylor related to what he was told here, hello! starts with -hi!mple... how can i help? about the july 10th meeting, and colonel vindman all say the same a data plan for everyone. everyone? everyone. let's send to everyone! [ camera clicking ] thing, that sondland says has a different recollection wifi up there? -ahhh. eye on as weeunant colonel vind sure, why not? how'd he get out?! a camera might figure it out. that was easy! going to tell investigators glad i could help. behind closed doors, as they're at xfinity, we're here to make life simple. easy. awesome. speaking right now, he is already, as phil is laying out, so come ask, shop, discover at your xfinity store today. already saying quite a bit in just his opening statement. now does his account fit in with all of the others about the calls, about the meetings, about the pressure surrounding president trump and ukraine. cnn's senior national correspondent, alex marquardt, he's tracking all of this for us. so alex, connect the dots for folks here, please. there are more dots every day with every passing testimony. now these dots are all starting to align. and as you point out, we don't
know what he's going to say in his testimony behind closed doors, but already with that opening statement, colonel vindman is painting this much fuller picture, giving more weight to what has already been said by those witnesses to those three different committees, not just about the infamous july 25th phone call, when president trump asked for a favor from president zelensky, but also on the one-year anniversary confirming the deep unease that of the first fatal 737 max jet people who are charged with shaping and directing ukraine crash, the ceo of boeing is on policy felt about what was going capitol hill right now trying to on in the white house. convince lawmakers that his now, vindman is echoing what his planes are safe to get back in boss on the nsc, dr. fiona hill, the air. said about that same july 10th 346 people were killed in two separate 737 max crashes in meeting and ambassador gordon sondland was in, that phil was october and march in the past year. and ceo dennis muilenburg, he's just talking about. dr. hill accused sondland of saying going into this hearing, connecting investigations to a white house meeting with the ukrainian president. and then she said that her boss, quote, we understand and deserve john bolton, then the national this scrutiny. security adviser, likened this whole affair to a drug deal, and listen. >> we've made mistakes. told her and vindman to go see and we got some things wrong. the nsc lawyers. now, vindman is also backing up we're improving and we're learning and we're continuing to ambassador bill taylor, who is the most senior u.s. diplomat in learn. >> is that enough for congress
ukraine. he told the committees in his item is that enough for the victims' families. testimony last week about a call cnn's rene marsh has been that he was on following that following this very closely and july 10th meeting and he wrote, is joining us now. they gave me an account or rene, what's happening? >> the first words out of dennis rather, he said, they gave me an account of the july 10th meeting muilenburg's mouth were an with the ukrainian officials at apology to the victims and the white house, specifically, saying that, and i'm quoting him they told me that ambassador sondland had connected now, we will never forget. when he first walked into the investigations with an oval senate hearing room, he had to office meeting for president face those families and they zelensky, which so irritated were holding pictures of their ambassador bolton that he loved ones. abruptly ended the meeting, we have the image of that during telling dr. hill and mr. vindman this moment here at this they should have nothing to do hearing, that we can show you. these were loved ones lost in with domestic politics. he also directed dr. hill to, quote, brief the lawyers. two of those 737 max crashes and so, colonel vindman today in his hear more if boeing ceo just a opening statement, is saying the short time ago. exact same thing. all of these people, vindman, taylor, hill, they are take a listen. careerists. they are apolitical experts, and >> on behalf of myself and the they are contradicting what boeing company, we are sorry, ambassador gordon sondland said. in his testimony, he told the do deeply and truly sorry. committees, if ambassador bolton, dr. hill, or others i want you to know that we carry those memories with us every harbored any misgivings about day. the impropriety of what we were and every day, that drives us to doing, they never shared those
miss givings with me, then or improve the safety of our airplanes and our industry. later. now, we should just remind our and that will never stop. >> well, boeing ceo continues to viewers, sondland is a political fe face tough questions right now. appointee. we know that he was told by the as we speak, did boeing conceal president in a phone call to insist to ambassador taylor in defects with the plane's flight control system. kiev, there was no quid pro quo. so now, in colonel vindman, why didn't boeing reveal internal instant messages and kate, we have yet another person saying that what he saw and email between boeing employees to the faa sooner. those messages illustrated heard was deeply inappropriate. concerns about the plane's kate? >> much more to come, is the systems and how they were only assumption that we can make controlled. kate, this is still ongoing. right now. alex, thank you so much. so joining me right now is last question short time ago, the ceo was asked, did they former spokesman for both the state department and retired lobby the ground the rear admiral, john kirby, and cnn political correspondent, 737 max after that first crash? abby phillip. thanks for being here, guys. john, can you first just speak the short answer is they did, to the significance of an active kate. >> this is an important hearing duty lieutenant colonel in the and what comes out of this is u.s. army, in uniform, going to going to have ripple effects for capitol hill, to raise alarm a very long time. thanks so much, rene, for about action of the commander in bringing this to you. chief. >> yeah, it's quite remarkable. i really, really thank you. still to come, sounding the alarm. the only recent precedent that i a key witness says he raised concerns about president trump's can even think of would be ali efforts to pressure ukraine more than once. so what does his testimony mean north, when he had to testify
for iran contra, and he was for the impeachment really falling on his sword in investigation? we're going to ask a top that regard. democrat, next. not this situation. i don't know the colonel, but i can imagine, kate, that this is the last place he wants to be this morning, doing the last thing ever, to have to -- you know, to talk about actions that concern him. but i think what's really important for the american people to understand about him today on capitol hill is, this is duty. he has to do this. when you're an active duty military member, particularly an officer of his caliber, doing the work that he was doing, you have an obligation to report wrongdoing. when you see it or when you feel it's happening. and that's what he did. so this isn't a never-trumper going up there, you know, to actively campain against a president. he's going reluctantly and he's doing his duty. he has to do this. >> and abby, a tactic that i have to admit i thought was going to take at least a few more minutes longer to set in from the white house and beyond, maybe towards this evening, but
set in within minutes, is, i mean, essentially, it's character assassination, right? i mean, the president labeling the lieutenant colonel a never-trumper on twitter this morning. this is his top ukraine expert on his national security counsel. what does this say about the president's defense of himself right now? >> at this point, because you have so many of these officials within the president's own administration coming out and testifying to these things, that he thinks are damaging to him, he is basically labeling all of them as being never-trumpers, part of the deep state, part of some conspiracy, some grand conspiracy against them. the problem is, that all falls apart when you see that so many of these people came into the trump administration to serve undernowing if you're on medicare, remember, the annual enrollment period is here. how many other republicans refused to do those very things. the time to choose your medicare coverage... bill taylor was recruited by begins october 15th and ends december 7th. mike pompeo to come into the
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can say the same thing. center of the whistle-blower he has bled for this country. complaint. he's proven his patriotism he's lieutenant colonel alexander vindman, a decorated iraq war veteran, a current beyond -- far beyond me, than i white house official. he's, in fact, the national ever did and so beyond so many security council's top expert on ukraine. others. and i think, crimeny, we ought according to vindman's opening to be able to give the man the statement, he considered the benefit of the doubt for his experience and his love of country and what he has done for president's ask for this country for the last 20 investigations of political rivals of ukraine's new years, serving both republican president, he considered that so and democratic administrations. damaging to american interests that he reported it twice to his >> it is -- it's unsettling, superior out of what he called, it's sad, it's just -- i don't quote, a sense of duty. know, it just seems that we have yet to find the limit of where joining me right now, democratic the line can be drawn when it comes to attack, attack, defend, congressman, dan kildee of michigan. thank you for coming in. protect the president on this, >> thank you very much, kate. when it comes to certain people. >> what was your reaction when you read the opening statement from colonel vindman? i mean, as you said, john, it is and let me just read it one more time. there was a lot in there, but indisputable, this man's patriotism to the country, his this one line is key. dedication to the country. i was concerned by the call, he wrote. i did not think it was proper to his family fled the soviet union. he and his brothers -- he and demand that a foreign government investigate a u.s. citizen, and his twin brothers were 3 years i was worried about the old at the time. implications for the u.s. he, his twin brother, and his older brother all have served in government's support of ukraine. the u.s. military. his twin brother, to "the new >> well, my first reaction is
that i was reading the words of york times," serves in the white house with him, sits across the a true patriot. a person who's dedicated his hall from him in the west wing in his capacity. life to the national security of i don't know how much more you this country, who himself serves need to know. in uniform, put himself in it's -- it's something. and i'm glad you're here to talk harm's way, suffered battle about it. >> thank you, thank you. >> thanks, man. wounds and earned a purple heart >> abby, thank you so much. and continued his patriotism by coming up for us, for weeks, democrats said they didn't need a full house vote on questioning those above him. and raising this issue with his impeachment. but now, that's exactly what superiors, that the president of they're doing. why now and what does the house the united states put political vote really going to change? we'll be right back. interests, his own personal political interests ahead of national security. this is the act of a patriot. and to hear some try to denigrate this individual, the president himself, to try to denigrate this individual as some sort of a political operative, is absolutely pathetic. and i asked my republican colleagues, at long last, please have a moment of conscience. look yourself in the mirror and ask if you want to sit on the sidelines while the president tries to take down a patriot, who earned a purple heart.
and compare that to the president's service to our country, the fact that he was willing to dodge the draft by getting a letter from a doctor. he's going to criticize this young man, who's doing his patriotic duty? shame on the president of the united states. >> and it's -- i mean, it's not everybody, right? you've got congresswoman liz cheney came out this morning, saying very clearly that that disparagement has to stop. but that's not everybody. i mean, i know you heard what happened on fox news last night, and even former republican congressman, sean duffy on cnn this morning, not only questioning his patriotism, but questioning his patriotism for no other reason than the fact that his family fled the soviet union to come to the united states when he was 3 years old especially after he and his two brothers have all served the united states in the capacity of serving in the military. i mean, when you see that, honestly -- and i'm not taking a position, congressman, you know i shoot straight.
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have to lay forward the process, but we're going to do that, because the american people have a right to see the difference between a chaotic mob who carried pizza and telephones into a secure area, versus the democratic caucus, which will now lay forward in clear terms what the process will look like, so that people can see -- >> are you concerned? because a lot of the concern, we know, quietly was holding these votes puts also moderate democrats, who helped the democrats win the majority, and flip red seats blue, that having to force them on the record, on a vote like this. is that a concern of yours now that you're putting those moderate democrats in that exact same place, that you guys did not want to do early on? >> well, there are moments where the political impact of an act can be considered, but shouldn't determine what we do. and i've talked to a lot of those front liners. they're more interested in doing the right thing and upholding the oath that they swore to the constitution than thinking about the implications for the next
election. and there has to be, at some point in time, a contrast between these republicans, who have just wrapped their arms around the ankles of donald trump and are going wherever he drags them, and those of us who are willing to live up to the oath that we swore. and we're going to do our job, whether there's a political implication or not. >> i'm pro-transparency in every first, they said it wasn't regard. so i'm looking forward to seeing necessary, so they weren't holding a vote. those public hearings. congressman, thanks for coming now they say it still isn't on. >> thank you, kate. necessary, but they are holding >> all right. a vote anyway. coming up for us, facing off that is now set for thursday. with facebook from inside. a new report that hundreds of the first house vote on the employees are now speaking out impeachment inquiry into on the company's policy not to president trump. fact check political ads. democrats say it is to call that's ahead. i've always been fascinated by what's next. republicans' bluff. republicans even storming into classified interviews in a public show of protest last week, but it would also force members including moderate democrats in swing districts on the record once and for all, for or against impeachment. so what's all going to happen now? what is this going to do? cnn senior congressional correspondent manu raju is on
capitol hill. so manu, what does this vote really do? >> reporter: well, it's not actually a vote to authorize the impeachment inquiry. democrats say that the inquiry does not need to be authorized, there's nothing in the house rules that would require them to do so. and that's what republicans have been pushing for. but what it does is it will set the ground rules for some of the procedures going forward as the democrats move to the next step of the impeachment inquiry. that next step, public hearings and a potential vote on articles of impeachment before the house judiciary committee, before it gets taken up by the full house. now, a big reason, i'm told, why they're pushing this measure is because during the public hearing phase, which could happen as soon as before thanksgiving, that staff members who are on the house intelligence committee are going to question witnesses. that's what adam schiff, the house intelligence committee chairman wants in underhouse rules right now that is not permitted. only members can ask questions
in five-minute rounds. watch for that change. also watching in this house resolution is a procedure allowing the house judiciary and still going for my best, committee to look at some of the even though i live with a higher risk of stroke evidence gathered in these due to afib not caused by a heart valve problem. closed-door depositions. and that evidence could form the so if there's a better treatment than warfarin... basis of articles of i want that too. eliquis. impeachment. democrats are saying this would eliquis is proven undercut, also, the republican to reduce stroke risk better than warfarin. claims that they have not had any votes to formalize this plus has significantly less major bleeding than warfarin. process. but talking to republicans, it's eliquis is fda-approved and has both. clear they don't agree with that. >> they realize this process is what's next? reeling in a nice one. completely unfair, completely don't stop taking eliquis unless your doctor tells you to, partisan, and they're going to try to spruce it up a little as stopping increases your risk of having a stroke. bit. and still not give rights to the eliquis can cause serious and in rare cases fatal bleeding. president, to the minority, and still do these things in secret, don't take eliquis if you have an artificial heart valve so that the american people or abnormal bleeding. can't see what's going on. while taking eliquis, you may bruise more easily and i think every single republican will be voting and it may take longer than usual for any bleeding to stop. against, and i'm hopeful, and i think this is going to happen, every single republican will be seek immediate medical care for sudden signs of bleeding, voting against the resolution on like unusual bruising. eliquis may increase your bleeding risk thursday. >> and virtually all democrats if you take certain medicines. will vote for the resolution, tell your doctor about all planned medical which will mean it will pass, but kate, it's important to note or dental procedures. eliquis, the number one also, on friday, a federal judge cardiologist-prescribed blood thinner.
ruled that the impeachment ask your doctor if eliquis inquiry is legal. is what's next for you. so the democrats say there's no reason to authorize this probe. i have moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. but it will give them at least a now, there's skyrizi. political argument to push back, 3 out of 4 people achieved even as it formalizes some of 90% clearer skin at 4 months the procedures in moving to this after just 2 doses. skyrizi may increase your risk of infections next phase in the investigation. kate? >> it's a little bit of this, a and lower your ability to fight them. little bit of that, a little bit before treatment your doctor should check you of folding, a little bit of nod. for infections and tuberculosis. welcome to capitol hill. tell your doctor if you have an infection manu, thanks so much, man. back with me now, abby phillip or symptoms such as fevers, sweats, chills, muscle aches or coughs, is still sticking with me. she will not leave. or if you plan to or recently received a vaccine. i keep asking her too. ♪ nothing is everything ask your dermatologist about skyrizi. also, kar also, so abby, manu lays out the why now. what he's hearing from his criminal defense sources. but it's not a vote to authorize a formal impeachment process. they don't think they need the authority. we've talked about this quite a bit, that it's not constitutional, to set the ground rules. but i can't tell you the number of democrats, that have spoken to you, but have definitely been on the show and said that for weeks, this -- there are no votes that are necessary to need to move forward. they have all the power that they need. this is the way it's going to
be. the constitution doesn't require any kind of a vote like this, et cetera, et cetera. something clearly has changed. even though they're saying it's not the actual formal vote that republicans were asking for. something's changed. >> yeah, something that has changed. in some ways, this does kind of box republicans in. because the whole argument has been that this is an illegal process, so we're not going to cooperate because it's illegal. well, if there are rules that they then vote on, whether they like the rules or not, they can no longer say that there are no rules. that they don't know what they are and it's arbitrary. that's one aspect of this. there's also the other aspect of this, which is that we now have at least one witness, charles copperman, who said, i need to go to the courts to find out whether or not the white house's argument wins out or the congressional democrats' argument wins out. this may be one more way for nancy pelosi to say, well, here are our rules. what is your argument for defying a congressional subpoena? and then the last thing is, the part of this that becomes public, that's the part that
starts to really matter. hundreds of facebook how much of the testimony, you know, all of it, do we get to employees writing an open letter to facebook founder mark see from some of these individuals? zuckerberg protesting the and i think we're getting to the point now where a lot of the company's policy to not testimony is starting to look fact-check political ads. this is according to the "new really overwhelmingly not on the side of the president's. york times." we saw the letter that the and the democrats are starting employees wrote in part that the to feel much more comfortable company's position on ads is, that they're on a roll here with some of these witnesses coming quote, a threat to what facebook forward and really giving them stands for. that's from inside the company. there is also big criticism from everything that they have been looking kepelosi sent outside the company on this very issue. a california activist is now registered as a candidate for governor just so he can test that very policy. joining me right now, cnn business reporter danny sullivan who is digging into all of this. danny, let's start with facebook staffers. that says something about inside facebook and what they're trying to tell executives. >> what the employees are asking and telling mark zuckerberg is they're going far beyond this fact-checking policy. they're actually saying other things we do with political ads are problematic, too. our targeting is too good. if you and i, kate, were living on the same street and wrote on
facebook, they would be able to target us with very different messages, even with very different lies. what employees are trying to tell mark zuckerberg is this is a problem when there is no shared understanding of what a candidate is saying. that way we can test this, we can call it out, and it's creating this environment of everybody has a different view of the candidate. >> really quick, because we never have enough time. but has facebook said anything about this in response to the letter? >> facebook says they're listening to their employees, but not much beyond that. >> stop talking. i'm listening to you, dony. not at all. we'll be right back. at bayer, we're more than a healthcare company. we help farmers like john by developing digital tools, so he can use less water to grow crops.
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