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going public. democrats announce open impeachment hearings as president fights back in his own way. >> we will impeach him because we can't beat him. >> how far are republicans willing to bend? we'll ask kellyanne conway and the number three house democrat jim clyburn next. plus iowa show of force. as a policy divide deepens -- >> i think they're running in the wrong presidential primary. >> democrats test strength in iowa. and inside of the yang gang.
from social media curiosity to cash-flush contender how the yang family story fuels the candidate's message. >> it would never occur to me not to talk about our son. >> the first interview with andrew yang and his wife evelyn in moments. hello, i'm dana bash in for jake tapper in washington where the state of our union is in fighting mode. president trump spent saturday night at a ufc fight in new york city. perhaps fitting for a president whose own fight here in washington is escalating to a new public phase. thursday the house of representatives voted along party lines to advance the impeachment inquiry on his way to the arena he slams speaker pelosi as unhinged and called the meach quoting again a scam and a hoax. the president said he would invite ukrainian president zelensky to the white house as
speaker pelosi delivered a forceful blow of her own writing a new letter to her caucus that the
president will be held accountable saying, quote, the president's actions undermine national security, jeopardize the integrity of our elections an violated his oath to preserve and protect and defend the constitution. joining me now to give the view from inside of the white house is counselor to the president kellyanne conway. thank you so much for being here this morning. >> good morning, dana. >> let's start with the bakes. the president of the united states asked a foreign power to investigate a top political rival we read from the summary in the july 25th call. we saw him do it in the call and was that appropriate. >> and i have the transcript right here and you could circle where it is for a quid pro quo. >> no, i'm not asking about -- >> where he mentioned holding up aid and the ukrainian president didn't realize any aid was being
held up and he felt no pressure and this phone call is about two presidents respected countries talking about how they got elected. the president of the ukraine said i -- >> so i -- >> you're draining the swamp. >> i'll get you there. >> we don't need ukraine's help -- >> i'm not asking about this. i'm going to ask about the quid pro quo in a moment. >> that is -- [ multiple speakers ] >> let me read the part that i'm referring to and sparked this impeachment inquiry. this is the president. there is a lot of talk about biden's son and that biden stops the prosecution and people want to find out about that so whatever you could do with the attorney general would be great. biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution. so if you can look into it, it sounds horrible to me. this is the president asking another foreign leader to look into a man who is the leading candidate to be his political
rival. you don't have to say 2020 for it po be clear. >> i have to push back on all of that. first of all, look at what he asked him to do. he asked him to investigate what happened when joe biden as vice president of the united states, dana, stopped a prosecution of a company where his son who -- as his son admitted only got the jobs because of his last name and got the contracts because of his last name. he's talking about 2016 and not 2020 and respectfully joe biden is not his main political rival. joe biden was in idaho yesterday and said he was ohio. >> then why good the president tweet about joe biden all of the time. >> but he fweets did -- >> but no -- >> let me talk about. >> i'm not atalking cnn. cnn was talking about joe biden and hunter biden on may 12th own john king reported on his show that hunter biden worked for national gas company in ukraine that is totally fair game to ask whether he made money so -- >> because you brought that up i want to tell you that -- a
couple of things. current and former ukrainian prosecutors general have publicly said that ukraine does not have any information about any wrongdoing by hunter biden. that is number one. number two, the u.s. government, the e.u., the imf, all wanted this prosecutor that you're talking about fired because he was not -- >> we had these conversations six weeks ago when nancy pelosi jumped the gun before she read the transcript of the call believed there were eight quid pro quo requests in the transcript they are not there. and believe that president said he was holding up aid. not there. believe the president said he wanted a 2020 rival investigated, not there. joe biden is not insolated from his past actions gist because he's running for president. if anything the scrutiny should be -- >> what i hear you saying and you tell me if this is correct, is that what the president said in his call, which is all i'm trying to ask about right now, asking the ukrainian leader to look into joe biden, that was
appropriate? >> joe biden as a vice president stopping a prosecution that would have effected his son. excuse me -- >> and also a political rival. >> no, the president mentioned 2016. he mentioned -- >> so that is okay. regardless of when. it is okay -- it is okay for the president of the united states to ask a foreign -- >> it is not impeachable. >> we're getting to get to that. >> is it a high crime and misdemeanor. >> we'll get to that in a second. we want to get to this. so you think it is appropriate for the president to have this conversation. >> i'm saying everything we're being told about this call -- excuse me, including by the investigators who are leaking selectively -- >> i'm talking about the summary of the call and what he said in the summary of the call that y'all at the white house put out. do you feel comfortable with what the president said. >> i feel comfortable saying he never mentioned 2020. quid pro quo, holding up aid or jd the political rival and people are talking about joe biden and his son and john king
on may 12th and abc news tommianis on june 20th -- [ overlapping speakers ] >> no. >> that is what i'm asking. is it okay. >> he said looking into joe biden's stopping the prosecution and dana, lets be fair, as we got the aid, one presumes they're using that aid. the ukrainian president felt no pressure and never knew aid was being held up but for president trump there would be no kind of aid going to ukraine right now. under president obama he was the my -- for ukraine and sending pillows -- >> so let's talk about the aid. you've said and i believe that what the president said on that call was okay. just to -- >> what i said was we have to be honest with america as to what is not there. what is not there is saying i'm holing up the aid. >> but what is there -- >> that is not what i'm asking about. he's asking to look into -- >> he's asking him to look into
something. >> to 2016. >> it doesn't matter. he's asking -- >> it is the central focus. it matter very much. >> but it is -- that is his political rival and at its core regardless when had happened he's asking -- he is asking another leader to look into an american politician. that is okay with you? >> the vice president. >> that is okay with you? >> what is fine with me is the day after bob mueller's testimony which was as big of a bomb as the mueller report despite the fact that for two plus years everyone in this town talked about nothing we spent $35 million in taxpayer -- and the next day the president of the united states is saying to the president of ukraine and i heard about crowdstrike 2016 and people are talking about this prosecutor. had nothing to do -- he doesn't mention 2020. >> but it -- the word "biden" -- >> -- just because -- >> it is not about 2020.
>> even if joe biden were not running for president and still a private citizen going off into the smet, would it be okay for the president-- the president o united states, yes or no, to ask another foreign leader to -- >> for corruption -- >> to investigate an american citizen. >> that is not -- that sounds like a very oversimplified presentation of what is happening here. what is happening heres is the president of the united states said, penal are talking about this prosecutor and, excuse me, in this investigation. and we have joe biden bragging on tape in january of 2018 and i said i would be ott ground in 90 more minutes and if you don't believe me call barack. >> for the record, there is no evidence that joe or hunter biden did anything wrong. >> there is no evidence that donald trump did anything wrong. >> i'm asking you that very question. >> why are you about to have public hearings trying to -- >> let's talk about that. let's talk about that. >> -- reducing drug prices and reducing the -- >> because the democrats won the
house and they believe that is appropriate to look into. >> but you're saying poor hunter biden. >> i never said that. i never said that. i'm trying to correct the record. i want to move on to what you were saying, kelly anne, about the quid pro quo, because we've seen opening statements from house testimony from three u.s. officials describing quid pro quo. the top diplomat in ukraine bill taylor said ambassador sondland told me that he now recognized that he had made a mistake by earlier telling the ukrainian officials to whom he spoke that a white house meeting with president zelensky was dependent upon a public announcement of investigations. in fact ambassador sondland said everything was dependent on such an announcement including security assistance. everything was dependent on an announcement. those investigations. >> and he presented the text from -- >> was the administration holding up military aid in exchange for this investigation? >> they have the aid. they're using the aid. they had -- >> was it being held up at imtime. >> if you are going to do what
adam schiff does is cherry pick ten seconds out of ten hours of testimony we have no full access of testimony because everything is done in the dark in secret and that process is flawed and we cannot unscramble the egg or put the toothpaste back in the tube now. >> i'm not talking about the process. was military aid -- i'm asking you broadly. >> they got their aid. >> now. i'm talking about then. was there a time when military aid was held up because the president wanted ukraine to look into the bidens? >> i don't foe. but i know they've got their aid. >> so it is possible. >> here is what -- what is absolutely unimpeachablely true. ukraine has that aid. they have more aid than under the previous administration. the ukraine president had no such idea aid was held up and he's complaining about merkel and trump and the u.s. and to be fair to everybody watching and
listening, dana, gordon sondland then sends a text to bill taylor saying i think young wrong about this. there was no quid pro quo. so we have -- to make sure people get the full testimony. and cnn and the white house have been denied the full -- >> there will be public hearings but i'm talking -- i'm not here to defend or talk about the process. because you're the counselor to the president i want to talk about the substance of this because -- >> well let's talk about the substance. what is impeachable -- >> you're telling me -- >> it is possible that military aid was held up as the president asked for investigations into joe biden. >> i'm telling you ukraine has the aid. >> now. >> over different people's quote inter -- interpretations and you've spent more time on this network this week talking about a fantastic -- a fantasy of impeaching the president than we got al baghdadi and he's gone and put out a brand-new treext locator -- >> that is not fair but i want
to focus on what we're talking about right now. can you say definitely no quid pro quo for this military aid. >> no quid pro quo in this call in terms of the president -- in terms of what actually happened beyond the call. >> there were eight of them. where are they. >> beyond the call, just in general, in general, as a matter of policy and as a matter of events -- >> where was the quid pro quo. >> i'm asking you -- >> president trump never said to the ukraine president do this and you'll get your aidch it is not here. nobody thought we could release the transcript. ladies and gentlemen, you could see it and go read it. we have access to it. but we don't have access is what is happening over the last weeks -- >> and you feel confident there was no quid pro quo. >> and i feel confident crane has that aid and using it right now and because this president they had it -- >> kellyanne conway you won't say yes or no. >> it doesn't -- >> quid pro quo, yes or no. >> i don't know whether aid was being held up and for how long. i know there were two senators
democrat and republican who called over to ukraine and inquired by the aid. but we're trying to impeach a president in this town across this kurn. why? because nothing in this country so far resonates to the country especially in the 17 swing states that would lead to a high crime or mitsubish-- or misdeme that is why nancy pelosi is not sure they'll get there. she promised us six sort months ago that impeachment would have to be bipartisan and not a single republican and some democrats voted with the republicans and they can't justify it and she said the public will have to be there. >> we have to -- we're going to ask about that very thing. the president -- >> [ inaudible ]. >> the president has called taylor and also lieutenant colonel vindman, quote, never trumpers, two people who have testified in the past couple of weeks. this is how he described never trumpers in a tweet recently. the never trump republicans though on respirators with not
many left in certain ways worse and more dangerous for our country than do-nothing democrats. watch out for them. they are human scum. these are human service members. >> he didn't mention them by name. >> so he talked about never trumpers but called vindman a never trumpers and if you connect the dots he is saying they are human scum. is that appropriate. >> he didn't call them -- >> he called them never trumpers -- >> i would never disparage the patriotism or the public service of lieutenant colonel vindman. that is a given for kellyanne conway. what i do call into question is and so do "the new york times" and washington post apparently, mr. vindman's interpretation of the phone call, that is apparently what he wanted corrected in the transcript and that was rejected because even "the new york times" admitted and the woesh post that what he wanted to correct had nothing to do with the ellipsies and would
not have changed the fundamental understanding of lawmakers for that so that is key. many people have testified or will testify but we have literally adam schiff with zero credibility and why you give him a platform i never know. he's lied to cnn and the american people -- >> so -- >> no. he coxs out and tells us after eight or ten hours of testimony that in ten country he wants the kurn to know about. that is not the way that democracy works. they're so upset. we're in the third week anniversary this year of the biggest political upset. >> i need to move on to one other question before we run out of time. >> but why don't they admit what this is about. this is not -- >> we have a democrat on next -- >> [ overlapping speakers ] >> a reasonable person who sits across from me who i respect greatly and let's not talk about -- >> kellyanne conway, i want to ask you -- you may --
>> [ overlapping speakers ] >> you made your point. i want to ask about something that happened this weekend which is the newly released memos obtained by cnn from the mueller investigation showing paul manafort blamed ukrainians for hacking into the dnc servers even know u.s. intelligence had long concluded that russia was responsible. as you know the president is still echoing this conspiracy. do you think that it was russia or ukraine that is responsible for the dnc hack? >> well i trust our intelligence officers. certainly let me just tell you -- >> so russia. >> who cares? >> but your boss cares. >> well hold on. my boss won. he became the president. even though people predicted that he couldn't do it. or that he wouldn't last. or that she could have a recount or that we're going to have mueller. then we'll have -- >> does he accept that it was russia and not ukraine. >> he accepts the election results. >> i'm not asking about the election results, i'm asking did -- no, no, that is not what
i'm asking. kelly anne, i'm asking about the u.s. intelligence conclusion that it was russia and not ukraine. i just want to know from you, given the newly released memos that paul manafort was saying that it was actually -- >> paul manafort had long been fired. >> but the president repeats that conspiracy. do you believe that -- >> as you go on tv every single day, not talking about -- >> i'm talking about the president of the united states, does he believe that it was russia who hacked the dnc and not ukraine. >> you know what he said. he said it many times. he said it could be russia or ukraine or a guy in new jersey. >> so he doesn't -- that means he doesn't accept intelligence -- >> andez talking about interference all over. we don't anyone to interfere, russia, ukraine or the media to put the thumbs on scale or adam schiff. let the people decide who their president is. >> so trying yes or no one more time before we wrap up, does the president believe as the us intelligence community has concluded that it was russia?
>> the president has great faith in the u.s. intelligence community and let me say this about the emails. they didn't matter. he won because he took his message -- >> any he. i know the president wants to hear that. but that is not
what this is about. >> -- for a very simple reason. i was busy running around including on cnn daily talking about where we are going. >> thank you. we're out of time. >> thank you for having me dana. >> thank you very much. house democratic leaders have long said support for impeachment should be bipartisan so what changed? i'll talk with the number three house democrat next. biopharmaceutical researchers. pursuing life-changing cures in a country that fosters innovation
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and it relieves my symptoms fast for real migraine relief. welcome back to "state of the union." democrats will accelerate efforts this week to take the impeachment probe public after a procedural vote in the house that saw no republican support. joining me now is the number three democrat in the house south carolina congressman jim clyburn. thank you so much for joining me, sir. i want to start by reading you something that the speaker said back in march. here is what she said. she said impeachment is so divisive to the county unless there is something overwhelming and bipartisan i don't think we
should go down that path because it divides the country and it is just not worth it. and this week as you're well aware the house voted to impeachment procedures and would you move forward if that remains true, if you have no republican support? >> thank so much for having me, dana. but we would, absolutely. i think when we talk about bipartisan support, we're not limited to that to the congress. i've been watching the polls all over the country, there is rising support within republican voters in favor of moving forward. independents seem to be, a majority of them, seem to be in favor of moving forward. and certainly overwhelmingly democrats. so i think what the speaker was saying, there needs to be bipartisanship, i don't think she was limited that to the congress. she knows that congress very well and she knows how
republican colleagues are prone to vote on these issues within the party. >> but -- >> that is not reflective of the country. >> a vast majority of republicans -- >> i'm sorry. >> a vat vast majority of republicans oppose impeachment and if the pose change that much that the people who represent them would change along with it? >> that may be true. but what is that level that we have to get to for them to change? i think that there are -- here and the impeachment process is a political process and political calculations are being made inside of the house, in the senate, and around the country. so i do believe that there is a lot of smoke, that all of us see, there should be some fire somewhere and we should find a source of that fire and find the level of it to see what needs to be done to extinguish it and that is exactly what we're doing
here if i might use that as a metaphor. >> so, congressman, some republicans argue that while they consider the president's interactions with ukraine to be inappropriate, they say they're not impeachable. the constitution said, as you know, that the president must be impeached for, quote, treason, bribery or other high crimes and misdemeanors. which of those did the president commit? >> well i have no idea. and that is why we are doing this investigation. what i'm saying is there seems to be an indication that something was going on here. there could be high crimes and misdemeanors taking place. there might even be bribery taking place. that is why you have an investigation. and that is what we're doing here. and starting this week we are going to release the transcripts for people to see and read for themselves. we're going to have public hearings starting and maybe this week or next.
and we will get to the bottom of this. and then we'll be able to make a determination at that time whether or not something happened that was treasonous. i talked to a lot of people since i've been home who believe that there is treason on the part of this president. they certainly believe some crimes have been committed. >> so i want to talk about polling since you mentioned polling. there is new polls from "the new york times" that showed a majority of voters in key swing states that helped elect donald trump like michigan and pennsylvania and wisconsin, they oppose impeaching the president and removing him from office. i know that you believe, moving forward with impeachment is important or the inquiry regardless of political consequences but is this possible this could have a negative impact on your party's prospects in 2020? >> sure it could. and that would make this whole process much more political than i would like for it to be.
i believe this whole process to me is about preserving this republic, protecting the democracy that we hold dear, and i do not believe that we ought to allow our political feelings to get in the middle of this. this country is worth saving. and i do believe that we are in a crisis much like that thomas payne wrote about back in 1776 when he talk about some are soldiers and sunshine patriots. we're seeing a lot of sunshine patriots who are challenging the authority of real, brave soldiers and real patrons for lieutenant colonel vindman to be eviscerated the way this white house is, a real patriot he is and we have so much sunshine
patriotship in this white house we ought to expose them and i think the american people ought to have an opportunity to read what mr. vindman had to say -- lieutenant colonel vindman had to say and make their own judgment. >> and they will because as you said the transcripts will be released. you have your finger on the pulse of that very important state where you are now, south carolina. in a key way. and i want to ask you about 2020. a new poll out of iowa places south bend mayor pete buttigieg firmly within the top four contenders and that is not case where you are in south carolina where he remains in low single-digits. a local south carolina paper obtained a memo from inside of the campaign, the buttigieg campaign detailing a focus group with black voters, some of whom didn't like that he was living with his husband and the report concluded that, quote, being gay was a barrier for these voters. is mayor buttigieg's struggle
with black voters in your state of south carolina because he's gay? >> well, that is a generational issue. i know of a lot of people my age who feel that way. but i will say this, dana. my own grandson who is 20 -- i think it 25 years old, that guy is a big buttigieg guy. and of course he does it because he believes in the guy. not because he's gay. my grandson -- >> but for older african-americans it is an issue? >> i'm sorry? >> are you saying for older african-americans it is an issue? >> yes, it is. there is no question about that. i'm not going to sit here and tell you otherwise. because i think everybody knows that is an issue. but i'm saying it is an issue, not the way it used to be. my own grandson is very much for him. he is a paid staffer working on the campaign. working on the campus of hvcu
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welcome back to "state of the union," i'm dana bash. one of the most hyped presidential candidates is ending his white house bid and another who was completely unknown a year ago is hitting his stride. andrew yang raised an impressive $10 million last quarter and his polling is kept him firmly on the debate stage. we sat down with the candidate and his wife evelyn in iowa for
their very first joint interview. >> reporter: yang couldn't wait for his warm-up act to finish. >> i think i'll go up before this song is over just to rock out. >> reporter: he called this iowa gathering yanga-palooza. and the rain-soaked crowd knows the core message as well as favorite songs. >> it is not left, it is not right, it is forward. and this businessman and political newcomer is a contender by feeling the pain of workers and young people watching automation take human jobs. >> do you think you're being taken seriously enough? >> one of the things i tweeted was it is all fun and games until andrew yang passes you in the polls. >> with staying power comes scrutiny like on his health care plan. >> you told reporters in new hampshire last week that you think outlying private insurance in a very short period of time
is a bit too disruptive and how do you do it and how do you support medicare for all and not outlaw private insurance. >> well there is a way to have medicare for all that doesn't prohibit private insurance and that has to be to demonstrate this plan is superior to occur current insurance without pulling the rug out from under you and saying the insurance to longer exists. >> bernie sanders campaign manager said about your stance on this, come on, either take on corporate greed that rots the system or you don't. that you're calling this medicare for all but when you ask about the substance, still want to keep private insurance which is not medicare for all. how do you respond? >> it is funny because we had an internal debate about this. what does medicare for all mean? what does it say? medicare for all. which means you have a medicare program that everyone could be enrolled in. >> so you're adopting the label but not the bill? >> that is correct. >> is that a little disingenuous for people looking for that
flavor of a democratic candidate but with -- if they don't know the substance of your plan. >> we're clear about the substance of our plan in various places and we'll have a more detailed rollout of the full plan in the days to come. >> reporter: yang is on board with impeachment but said fellow democrats spend too much time talking about it and donald trump in general. >> well the downside is that the entire country just gets engrossed in this impeachment process and then we'll look up and be facing donald trump in the general election and we will not have made a real case to the american people -- >> is it going to hurt the democratic nominee? >> there is a chance that it will. and i just saw that it seems like the significant number of candidates may be called to d.c. for the bulk of january which would definitely take the focus away from the campaign. >> be bad for you, though. >> i would be right here in iowa or new hampshire or south carolina, or nevada or somewhere else campaigning, it is true. >> by his side more and more
will be his wife evelyn. who made her fars campaign appearance here. >> let's give a warm yang gang welcome to my wife evelyn yang. [ cheering and applause ] >> thank you, guys, so, so, so much. i love the yang gang. [ cheering and applause ] >> reporter: there her first television interview, she described her business man husband's decision to run for president. >> i thought to myself, this will pass. it did not. >> just a phase? >> yeah. after the last election it seemed like he had a really bleak out look of the future based on all of the research he was doing. when i realized that he was serious was when he said he was going to quit his job. the freedom dividend and humanity first is the reason why i let him run for president. >> she said, andrew, there is no reason for you to do this because someone else is going to run on universal basic income
and the base of jobs and i'm not sure that is yanging. >> reporter: he discussed his family a lot especially their 7-year-old son christopher who is autistic. >> why isn't important to you both to talk about your son? >> would never occur to me not to talk about our son. just in that to know that we love him dearly and want to share his story with the world. >> and at first i was actually sheepish about being -- having our family in the public at all. but i do think that it's really important to talk about because there is stigma around special needs and autism specifically and there shouldn't be because all our children have something special to offer and our son has made our family better. >> reporter: evelyn yang stopped
working outside of the home in 2012 after christopher was born. >> i just never went back to work because motherhood being -- ended up being harder than i expected. >> and that is the whole core of your campaign, right? >> yeah. >> is universal basic income and how much of that is not just people who will get automated out of a job but people who with working at home? >> stay-at-home parents and caregivers and nurturers and people that help move society forward but right now don't get any recognition. >> it is the message of this new campaign video. >> and rue said women do the hardest work in our society. >> let's ask about your relationship. when you met you said that he had no game. >> she did say that. and here we are. >> what is no game andrew yang
look like. >> no game? why did i say that? it is because -- >> you liked my outfit -- >> but i liked that. i really liked that about him. he just -- he wore his heart on his sleeve from the very beginning. >> reporter: now she's marching in the rain with a husband she never thought would run for anything. much less president. >> seeing the people that have just taken this campaign up on their shoulders and elevated it every turn, it is -- >> one of the supporters who tattooed your face -- >> on his calf. you can't see that coming. but there is also -- >> have you done that? >> no. and i think he loves you more than i do because i would never tattoo your face on my -- but it is that kind of passion and love and support that has been shocking to me.
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that must come next. first thing we have to do is get rid of donald trump. get him out of office. and one that happens, the road is clear. >> fear and complacency does not win elections. >> real change never takes place without struggle. >> today marks exactly one year until election day 2020. and candidates as you heard are making their pitches to iowa voters as a new poll this week shows a top heavy race in the first caucus state with no clear leader. take a look at this. warren 22% and bernie sanders 19% and pete buttigieg 18% and biden 17%. let's discuss. i was there on friday night for this iowa democratic dinner where all of the candidates came and showed their stuff. and it was really a note worthy i thought that the buttigieg campaign made it such a big effort to show force.
they filled probably more seats than anybody else and flew in people not from iowa. what does that tell you and what does it tell you about where he is in the polls in iowa? >> well, that is the trick flying in people. >> i'm not saying it means a caucus win. >> listen, we're now at the final stage. i remind you that in 2004 it was howard dean and geb hart that were out front and that all shifted and that could happen again. anyone would win the iowa caucus and now you saw beto pull we're going to get down to five or six and then we'll get to the real issues on health care and all the issues americans care about, reducing prescription drugs. it's going to winnow down real quickly, but anybody could win iowa. >> he has a lot of money.
any time you have a lot of resources, you can buy in. but i also should say i know mayor pete. but when people meet him, they really do like him. i'm not saying they're going to vote for him, but he is appealing. >> my people in iowa tell me he's got something going on, and he also has a calendar advantage. the two people leading, two senators. they have a gavel in every morning six days a week tracking all those government senators while mayor pete gets to run wild across the countryside. so he'll have a training advantage. >> you mentioned the substance and policies, and one of the big, big stories this week was elizabeth warren putting out a detailed medicare for all plan. she said it's $20 trillion in cost, does not include raising
middle class taxes. some opponents disagree with that and one of them is joe biden. listen to what he said in his response. >> just get real with the numbers. it's a very difficult way to get there, what she's talking about. >> if anyone wants to defend keeping those high profits for insurance companies, then i think they're running in the wrong presidential primary. >> first of all, as a conservative who watched the 2016 primary on our side, clear frontrunner, everything should go fine. but when it comes to the issues they're talking about in the democratic primary, to me they're issues the democrats want to talk about but it's done very tricky in the electorate. health care is one of those things. there is not a good answer for how you'll pay for medicare for all, and if you look in the
details of warren's plan, the classic washington way you claw back money that doesn't really exist. there's just not enough in any of the pots she's going to. the other issue they're talking about is impeachment, which our own cnn has said it's a little trickier in swing states or in this city where there is undoubtedly a feeling that this is imminently happening. >> on medicare for all, you've been around a campaign or two, had your own, worked on others. is this a positive, what she put out this week if she is the nominee, or is it going to hurt her in the general if it is? >> she had to put it out because everyone was asking, how are we going to pay for it. it's expensive. i'm concerned that we as democrats are not focused on reducing prescription drug costs and the things that americans are dealing with every single day. when you get in the discussion of medicare for all in these
debates, it's mind-numbing for folks. i think they turn the tv off. we have an election in virginia in two days. this will be historic us. for the first time in 16 years the democrats can win two in governorship. i'm not sure it's helped in mississippi and kentucky and other states, but it has our base energized to come out on tuesday. donald trump can't come to virginia and campaign. he'll go play golf there, but think about that. the incumbent president in the only state where both chambers can switch, donald trump cannot come and campaign there. he's very unpopular. the poll has him at 27% appro approvement rating. >> we have virginia and kentucky represented here. i'm guessing what you see in kentucky is the opposite of what
you're seeing in virginia when it comes to the political implications of impeachment. >> the incumbents are locked in a close race with andy basheer whose dad ran in kentucky. it's turned into more of a shirts versus skins exercise. but if donald trump can't campaign in virginia, none of these 20-something democrats in virginia can step foot in virginia, because the national democrats are so unpopular. obviously we have a polarized environment, blue states and red states. the fact that trump can't campaign in virginia doesn't tell me all that much when the democrats can't campaign in a lot of states. >> i wish i were running for president. they asked me to come down, i could have gone. >> you have an announcement to make? >> no. >> as a city congresswoman at the table, i do want to say one
thing. wefr wo we are working on health care now. we are working on lowering prescription costs. i'm on the energy, commerce and health care committee, so we are focusing on that. ways and means are having hearings about it, ed and labor, so we are doing those things. one of the things nancy pelosi has always said we're investigating, litigating, but we're also lelegislating. we're doing it and passing a lot of bills. >> the house is. >> yes. >> you can do all those things and get too hampered by having folks in d.c. i think in this town, as with the russia investigation, there is a feelingremoved, and that's not the same feeling for the people of wisconsin. thank you so much for spending your time with us this
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