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a medal hanging around his neck. top of the hour. you are live in the cnn newsroom. i'm ana cabrera in new york. and this is milestone weekend. on the road to election day 2020. it is now just one year away, november 3rd next year. and american voters are making it known how they feel about issues that will impact their vote for president. health care, climate change, terrorism and the possible impeachment of president trump. first the democratic primary. three new national opinion polls released today showing former vice president joe biden ahead of the democratic field. the same three surveys shows senators elizabeth warren and bernie sanders right behind him. on the subject of impeaching president trump the poll shows the nation split down the middle. 49% of respondents regardless of party affiliation now say the president should not only be impeached but also removed from
office. for some perspective, just one month ago those numbers were more or less flipped with 49% opposed to trump's removal. jeremy, safe to say the president isn't thrilled with those poll numbers. in fact, he told you face-to-face today he has information we don't. >> look, this issue of impeachment is an extremely polarizing one. and while americans remain deeply divided over whether or not to impeach the president, the trend is in the direction of increasing spert for impeachment. and in the three most recent national polls we're seeing more americans supporting impeachment and removal of this president than the number of americans who oppose it. so i posed that question to the president in confronting him with these most recent polls. here's how he's responded. according to several recent polls more americans want you to be impeached -- >> you're reading the wrong
polls. >> let me just tell you, i have the real polls. the cnn polls are fake. the fox polls have always been lousy. i tell them they ought to get themselves a new pollster. but you look at the polls that came out this morning, people don't want anything to do with impeachment. it's a phony scam. it's a hoax. and the whistle-blower should be revealed. because the whistle-blower gave false information. >> and ana, while there's nothing to support the president's claims about having real polls, we know it is common for the president to go on and attack polls that he does not like what they reveal. what we do know, though, is that there are some silver linings here for the president. republicans remain largely in lock step with the president with all of these most recent polls and we know the president has been using this as something to energize his base as he heads into the 2020 election. >> the impeachment inquiry continues this week. and now even the whistle-blower
is going to make him or herself available to republicans who's against the process. will those republicans take that offer? >> that's right. well, the whistle-blower through his attorney is making himself available for questions from republican lawmakers. at least written questions and willing to answer those. whether or not that will be enough for republicans is an open question. we know they have in extremely critical of this impeachment process over the last recent weeks. and one thing they've called for is for the public testimony of this whistle-blower. there's no indication that that will indeed happen. what is clear, ana, though, is that this impeachment inquiry has moved so much beyond this whistle-blower. it has become so much bigger than this one whistle-blower complaint and we've already seen in the testimony from recent week, from current and former administration officials many of the allegations that whistle-blower made in that complaint has been corroborated. >> thank you. with us now is cnn senior political analyst david gergen. he say an advisor to four president, both republican and
democrat. and with us is cnn legal analyst and former prosecutor michael zeldin. david, let me start with you because you just heard president trump say he has the real polls on impeachment. a week and a half ago he said i'm the team when asked about his defense team. does he understand the gravity of this? >> when the polls are good, he claims them and says they're wonderful polls. and when they're bad he insists they're fake and that he has the inside knowledge. we don't know what that is. i think it doesn't exist. there may be one poll that is highly suspect in the field. there has been one on the conservative side that the procedures they use have mostly discredited that poll. but that has given the president better numbers. but they're just not believable credible polls. >> michael, this week the
impeachment inquiry a new phase. supposed to open public hearings and testimony being made public as well. that's been happening behind closed doors. but you say impeachment and removal perhaps aren't the only likely outcomes here, right? >> well, he can be impeached. he can be convicted. he can be removed, and he then can be disqualified. but there also is potentially a middle ground here which is that if the public testimony doesn't rise to the level of a high crimes or misdemeanor worthy of removal from office then i think a bipartisan censure could be an option. it doesn't remove him, it's just like in high school it's a mark on your permanent record. it's an indication that both sides of the aisle said this is not acceptable conduct and it's
to be condemned, and the american people should understand that we as a nation will not tolerate this. >> so a lot of it up until now is about getting the facts. and before there is even a drafting of articles of impeachment, that hasn't happened yet. we're not there yet. but as the investigation is continuing the white house is instructing current officials not to testify, not to talk to congress. in fact, there was a hearing this week regarding former white house counsel don mcgahn and the doj suggested house democrats are just subpoenaing these white house officials really to get to the president. and they're claiming he has total immunity. is that true? >> well, they are seeking witness testimony for the purpose of gathering information to determine whether the president violated the oath of his office. so in that sense, yes. but that's always the way it is with witness testimony. in this case there is, i think, pretty clear precedent that the advisor to the presidents don't
enjoy absolute immunity like the president does. there's been one seminal case on this. and now we're in the impeachment proceedings the power of had house is even greater. i think it's a delay tactic on the part of the white house. and the courts hopefully will rule in favor of the house receiving this information so we can understand what best what happened. >> take a listen to the counselor of the president, kellyanne conway's defense of the president's actions on ukraine. >> so you feel totally confident that at the core of this, the heart of this, there was no quid pro. >> i feel confident about the fact ukraine has that aid and is using it right now. it's because of this president -- >> you very notably won't say yes or no. quid pro quo, yes or no. >> i don't know whether aid was being held up. i know there were two senators, a democrat and republican who called over from ukraine and inquired about the aid, but we're trying to impeach a president here now in this town across the country.
why? because nothing in this conversation so far resonates -- >> so at first it was no quid pro quo, and then it was get over it, it happens in politics. and then it was it probably happened but it's okay or not impeachable and now it's i don't know. why do these goal posts keep moving? >> because they always get discredited and knocked down. and republicans have launched -- they raise an objection and the democrats try to meet that objection and we move on until the next time when republicans say you can't have this or can't have that. the question of censure i think is an interesting one. it may well come up before this is all over. but i would argue it would take a significant shift of public opinion in the direction of the democrats in order for republicans to vote for censure. in other words, if we remain a divided country as we are in these polls, basically 49 to 49,
49 who want his removal, 49 who are opposed, then i don't see the republicans saying we'll concede on the censure part. i think the president tries to use it as best he can and it will make the difference. but beyond that it does seem to me when the kellyanne conways come out, when the president did as he did today we listen to what they say, but i think they hurt themselves when it's so clearly not true. when they say so things clearly not true, this is like a game -- and to go back to your original question, they need to take this very, very seriously. because a lot hinges on this. it could not be just a question of removal but who's going to win 2020. >> beyond the political ramifications are there any legal ramifications of the changing defense like we're hearing from republicans? >> i think the way they're moving is in some sense the way
bill clinton moved. which is i didn't do this, then the there's the deservy of the dress and the stain. and then i did do this but it was wrong but it's not impeachable. i think they're getting to the point they recognize what the president did was a violation of his public trust and it's indefensible. but now they have to say it's not impeachable, it doesn't rise to the level the founding fathers want. and i think that's where they're going to have to pitch their legal defense. but you can't defend the president. it's indefensible. >> right now it's taking up so much oxygen in washington but in our conversation. take a listen to what 2020 candidate andrew yang had to say about the focus on impeachment. >> i am for impeachment, but the fact is when we're talking about donald trump, we're not presenting a new way forward and a positive vision for the country
that americans will get excited about. that's the only way we're going to win in 2020 and actually
start solving the problems that got him elected. even when we're talking about impeaching donald trump, we're talking about donald trump and we are losing. >> david, do you agree? >> i'm not sure they're losing. these polls that came out today kil have biden up 8 or 10 points ahead of trump. i do think it's in their strong, strong interest to get this over and done with one way or the other before we start getting into the primaries. both parties are going to want a way to communicate during that time. and that is a time also when it's really important to know -- that's when a lot of the public will start tuning in more than they have so far to figure this out. and it's going to -- so i would think they'd want to finish the public hearings before the christmas break, before the holiday break and have -- and the republicans are going to be interested in moving along swiftly. it could be by the end of january or early february just as we hit the iowa caucuses,
this could all be wrapped up. >> the iowa caucus now about 90 days away. gentlemen, good to have you here. thank you. can it be hard to believe we're just exactly one year away from the 2020 election. three new polls giving us an indication where the race for the democratic nomination stands. we'll break it down next in the cnn newsroom. yeah, that's half the fun of a new house. seeing what people left behind in the attic. well, saving on homeowners insurance with geico's help was pretty fun too. ahhhh, it's a tiny dancer. they left a ton of stuff up here. welp, enjoy your house. nope. no thank you. geico could help you save on homeowners and renters insurance.
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more now on that emerging horse race in the democratic presidential contest. three polls with the same names at the top, joe biden, elizabeth warren and bernie sanders. and although his numbers are still in the single digits pete buttigieg reliably in fourth. leyla santiago in iowa. right now elizabeth warren is rising in the polls but it is inspiring other candidates to take shots at her, biden and even sanders are attacking her. how is she responding? >> reporter: just as she wrapped up here tonight, she's wrapping up her selfie line right now. one of the things she brought up was the issue of electability. certainly she is telling voters she is the one and really using this medicare for all pitch to talk to the middle class, saying, look, i plan to fund this without raising tax tuesday the middle class.
that was a plan she released this week after really being criticized on the debate stage by buttigieg, by biden. and what you heard right now, telling the middle class she will put $11 trillion back in their pocket and not raise taxes. but looking to her opponents to say where are your plans? i released mine and now where are yours? and this was interesting, this morning in an interview senator sanders said that his plan was more progressive, even said that her plan could be harmful when it comes to job creation, and yet she remains aligned -- when asked she said she's still with bernie, they cosponsored the bill, they just a different way of getting there. so she's really still leaning heavy on her progressive partner here in this race, not seeing a need to distinguish herself clearly right now from senator sanders. how long she will maintain that
strategy, though, we'll have to wait and see. >> she's trying to stay close to him even though he's sort of pushing back on the differences in their health care plans. leyla santiago, thank you for that reporting. let's take another look at the top tier candidates based on the newest poll, biden, warren and sanders. just briefly what do you each say as each of their vulnerabilities? and sarah, i'll start with you. >> obviously with joe biden what we've seen is that he's vulnerable to a series of attacks both within the democratic primary but also from republicans. and he's then unable i think to answer those attacks particularly forcefully yet. so i know one of his vulnerabilities is in a general election he could fall apart. elizabeth warren and bernie sanders i think both have an electability issue. will the party then move too far left to capture some of those independents in pennsylvania, in wisconsin, in michigan? and pete buttigieg, you know,
single digits. >> yeah, even though he's reliably in four he can't seem to break through these recent polls. same question to you, david, biden, warren and sanders biggest vulnerabilities? >> well, joe biden has got a lot of vulnerabilities i think more than anybody expected at this stage of the campaign. it's not just age, it's whether he has all the mental faculties he was before when he was very sharp in the senate, and is he -- the biggest fear among a lot of democrats is he falters in the homestretch, he has some sort of physical problem or mental problem or whatever it is and then they're stuck in that situation and no one knows how to get around that. i will say even though he's been out of the limelight and carefully coached and everything like that, these polls today shows he still has a significant lead over donald trump in the
general, 98, ten points. i think sanders had the greater vulnerabilities because not only his age but his health, and he's sort of yesterday's news and with elizabeth warren charging down the stretch here. and elizabeth i think has run the best campaign of all of the candidates. she's by far the most articulate and substantive, there is a toxic quality and she does not do as well in a general. and a lot of democratic activist strategists are just scared of her. and i think if she were to take this health care plan and leave herself more flexibility on medicare for all and also keep open the possibility that people can keep their private health insurance, she will do a lot better. but i think if she runs on getting rid of the private health insurance any time in the near future that's going to be a
significant lienlt for her. >> and sanders is actually criticizing her medicare for all man. quote, we do disagree on how you fund it. he goes onto say our plan is better. sarah, is this the first crack in their alliance? >> i'm not sure it's ever been an alliance on bernie sanders side. elizabeth warren has been sort of drafting behind him. i don't see him regaining that strength over elizabeth warren. his biggest strength is trust within the democratic base. what you see is what you get. i think there are still some who don't necessarily trust elizabeth warren is as progressive as she says. but bernie sanders at this point has been on a slow trajectory downward and i think it might be too late. >> i'm going to pick up on what you talked about because in the fox news polls specifically we see biden in two key areas.
he is the candidate voters think could beat trump and also the candidate he most shares their views on the issues. again, this is just among democratic primary voters. does this poll indicate democratic primary voters are actually more moderate and less progressive? >> yes, yes. the activists in vote in primaries and vote in caucuses on both sides of the aisle, the democratic activists tend to be much more liberal than the democratic main stream voters. if you've got the activists who really want your heart -- they want, you know, tough stuff. but there are a lot of moderate republicans out there, middle of the road republicans that you want to pick up in places like pennsylvania that are going to be critical down the stretch. >> i want you to listen to a comment mayor pete buttigieg made that's getting a lot of attention. >> i think this is getting to be a two way. it's early to say. >> but you see it coming into
focus. you wouldn't want it? >> yeah. >> asked by a reporter about those comments he said he didn't they think that came outright. but, quote, the campaign strategist nightmare when the candidate goes all pundit in an interview, unhelpful. sarah, do you see that comment doing any serious damage? >> no. i think that pete buttigieg, his role in this race is to represent a new generational voice that i think is very welcome in the democratic party in terms of helping alt the debates and other things. do i think a lot of voters are ready to vote for him yet as their nominee this time around, no. but i think it's doing him a lot of good. whether it's 4 years from dmou, 8 years from now, et cetera. moments like this are bad for cable news. they're not bad for caucuses. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> more witnesses are set to come forward this week as the
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discussing a time line for impeachment hearings they are saying could happen before thanksgiving. is that timetable important for them? >> from a security perspective they aren't cost free. just to date our enemies have learned intimate details about the innermost workings of the u.s. government including who listens to phone calls, information about various classified servers. that helps intelligence services prioritize where to focus their efforts. if deposition transcripts are released and public hearings are held, even more information is going to become public. that puts us as a disadvantage. think about it. it's not like we have kremlin officials testifying publicly about where vladimir putin stores his classified communications. this gives other countries a leg up. at the same time the public content of the depositions and hearings will be crime fodder for manipulation by foreign intelligence services. for example, we know the russians want to undermine the credibility of our institutions, our own intelligence community
assessed that. when we have more public information, we should assume that russian bots trolls and fake personas will be manipulating to undermine our credibility. >> they have their depositions scheduled, whether they show up is another thing. how important is their testimony? >> as you mentioned nsc lawyers are lawyering up, oit's unclear whether they'll comply with these subpoenas and actually show. but let's think about what these nsc lawyers actually do. i used to work with every day. they're referred to as hashtag legal, the legal directorate the white house. they review every memorandum that goes to the president and national security advisor. they review memoranda of presidential communications before their stored. they also weigh in on internal processes and listen to concerns from nsc staff.
but the key point is they do not have the authority to make major decisions without top cover from the national security advise erer or the white house counsel. the white house counsel is driving the impeachment strategy for president trump when in fact he may be at the heart of a lot of activities investigators are looking into. >> there's something else that's taking place and it's important. the president issued a new proclamation capping the number of refugees the u.s. will admit in the next fiscal year. what kind of security impact could that have? >> he's issued a new cap, 18,000. again, he doesn't have to meet that cap. he could allow in fewer refugees. well, he's letting in fewer refugees, the scale of the problem has not decreased. quite the opposite. we have more refugees globally than any time since world war ii, and half of these refugees are children. the president is saying he's focused on solving the crisis that drive refugees, he hasn't
done that and looking to resettle refugees in close to home. i visited the refugee camps in jordan where there are so many syrian refugees. countries like jordan, lebanon, bangladesh and kenya are overburdened refugees. it is likely many of these countries that are lower income are going to be overburdened and not to mention these children are in inhumane and unsafe conditions. >> thank you very much for that information. the impeachment inquiry, the witnesses, the testimony, the latest evidence. join anderson cooper for a cnn special, the white house in crisis, the impeachment inquiry next. we'll be right back.
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relationship with someone in the organization, a relationship that violated company policy. mcdonald's has already name adnaed a new ceo. while firefighters work around the clock battling more than a dozen wildfires and working tirelessly to reinstill that hope, president trump places blame. he tweeted, quote, the governor of california governor newsom has done terrible management. cnn meteorologist karen mcguinness joins us now. the u.s. national climate organization or assessment reports that half of the increase in western wildfires is due to climate change. how are the two related? >> yes, we have a laundry list of things that have happened not
specifically just in california, but we are specifically talking about the fire dangers they have seen this year, and the year before and the year before that that have greatly impacted the folks there. a longer fire season. now the cal fire director said here on cnn in the past 24 hours we no longer have fire seasons. they are fire years because as fire danger persists throughout the year. it used to be during the three hottest months of the summer and then the secondary season in the fall which are the dry seasons and warmer temperatures are beginning early. they're hotter, and they last longer. so things are drying out. so a lot dryer conditions, and then you add that an environmental factor in that we have the beetle that is infiltrating a lot of these forests out across the west. is this pattern familiar? if it doesn't look familiar, it will become familiar. we've got this big trough across the east and a high pressure
ridge across the west. this year was very entrenched. it was not moving very much. they go down the mountains, they compress and heat up and we saw wind gusts as high as 90 miles an hour fanning those flames. let's tell you a bit more what's at stake here. we talked about the fire seasons. well it's fire years last year, so one of the most devastating years we've ever seen with more than 100 people killed in devastating fires. and in the past ten years the average number of major fires across california, 250. but you go back 30 years and it's more like 140. so just in that span of time, a dramatic increase in the number of major fires. also, it stays dryer longer and hotter temperatures. it looks like not just in the short-term but the long-term a lot of considerations to be made here. >> it really matters. very eye opening. coming up this week's "this
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a house that would shutter out from the world. >> you okay? >> yeah. >> you were really isolated up here. >> very isolated. >> were there days that you just didn't even leave the property? >> days and days and days. i wasn't allowed to come to the mailbox. he didn't want me associating with neighbors or mailman. >> it's real because the only other person who really knows what happened is dead now. why should people believe you? >> she joins us now. that's one of two women you
profile in the episode. very different stories. what did you learn over all about women who kill? >> i have to say this episode is both engrossing but incredibly deaf stating. devastating. as you mention 90% of murders in the country are committed by men. and women account for 10%. but the victims of women who commit murder are often their partners or own children. and in the case of the woman you saw, she took the life of her husband after she alleges she had endured years of abuse. but when she went to trial, those years of abuse were not admissible in court. the jury had to base the decision on the crime that happened that day. >> in your reporting, it's interesting you found startling inequality ins legal system
treating female vs. male killers. why are women sentenced to so much more time than male for the same crimes. >> they are given harsher sentences. men who take the lives of their partners get two to four years. women on the other hand will often get average of 15 years even though the person they killed often were the same people who battered them. so i don't know the answer. i wish i knew. because women murder so far less infrequently than men, they are often sensationalized and we have read the headlines. often they're not accompanied by stair stories of men who murder. >> female killers are also portrayed differently than men by the media. what does that tell us about the way society views women who kill? >> to me it seems like society
finds these kinds of incidents really scintillating and fascinating and more unforgiving because they don't happen as often relative to how often men kill. they we as a culture have become more unforgiving of these crimes when women commit them. >> it sounds like a fascinating episode. so disturbing as well. tune in to the new episode of this is life. airing tonight a 10:00 p.m. eastern and pacific on cnn. thank you for joining us. what do we want for dinner?
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me. i appreciate you joining me. thank you for being here. the "white house in crisis: the impeachment inquiry" with anderson cooper starts now. good evening this is "white house in crisis: the impeachment inquiry." in a story moving faster and faster it's a chance to take a breath and make sense of the week that was and look ahead to the next. if today is anything to go by it will be no less konconsequentia. the whistleblower attorney said his client is open to questioning. also today republicans rommed out latest defense of the president. and new polling came out showing 49% of americans favor impeachment and removing him from office. the president dismissed the numbers saying i have the real