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trump won in 2016 by 30 points. the democrat andy beshear declaring victory over the incumbent republican governor matt bevin. the president held a rally for governor bevin on the eve of the election. but it appears his coat tails came up short. >> because they were caught in the grass that's blue. >> need some banjo music. the governor still, though, has not conceded. and over in virginia, a stunning night for democrats. they flipped the house and the senate to gain full control of the state government for the first time in nearly three decades. >> so what does this setback for the president mean for the 2020 election? listen to this. a source close to the white house gave a grim assessment. we'll have much more on this ahead. today depositions are scheduled behind closed doors with additional transcripts to be released from previous
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wtness testimony. and in a significant blow to the impeachment defense, the ambassador to the european union gordon sondland has reversed, changed his testimony on a really important matter. he now says it was a quid pro quo with ukraine. joining us now, david gregory, chris cillizza, and bianna golodryga. jim acosta says a source close to the white house who speaks to trump regularly offered this. totally bad. kentucky and virginia are signals to gop. they are underestimating voter intensity against trump. and it could be terrible for them next year.
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so how do you see this? the implications of these election results? >> i think kentucky is a really good state to look at. you had an unpopular governor. republicans did well elsewhere in the state down the ballot. which is important to point out. but this is a big trump state. and a couple of things stuck out to me. one, in those more progressive areas, they had big turnout. which shows you the trump factor impeachment. the fact that it's going to be a real turnout model in 2020 in part. the other part of it is if you look where beshear did good in rural counties, what was he talking about? health care. access to health care. this is where democrats won in 2018. so there's two pieces. the question of who we are and where the country's going. the question of impeachment. then there's still this issue of what people are struggling with. where are they finding pain in
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their life? will the insurance company cover their prescription drugs? access to medical care? those are states that are still battle grounds for the parties. >> it's interesting i have a voting panel coming up from swing voters in swing states. and what they just remind us all is that a lot of people vote for the person, not the party. and matt bevin was the most unpopular governor in the country. i'm struggling this morning to figure out what was the trump factor because that has obviously swept people into office. and what was the matt bevin factor last night? >> and i think you could argue that there's a factor of both, right? matt bevin was actually above by a few percentage points before the president came and campaigned for him recently. now many are saying we don't know anything. we have nothing to do with him. it does raise the question about what voters are focused on right
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now. the trump factor did not play a huge role for them. in fact, it may have been a setback for them. because they want to focus on pocketbook issues. they want to focus on the economy, on health care. and there was nothing that this president could do that could change their mind from what they were seeing their governor campaign on. and support for the president than support for local issues. >> i would say that when you take virginia in combination with kentucky, that's a bigger picture here. maybe about places and not people. you look at northern virginia where all of a sudden elected republicans don't exist anymore. >> ten years ago when i moved to where i am now, it was republican central. democrats had begun to make gains, but in places like fairfax county, loudoun county, these are -- prince william. these are counties that were
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suburban. the idea you would see what we saw last night, david wasserman tweeted out, at the congressional and state level, there is not one republican left in fairfax county. which was once the whole of country club establishment republicans. i -- to me, that's the big story here. i think david touched on it. big turnout in urban areas in kentucky. then where did democrats flip it? suburbs of virginia beach and d.c. which by the way isn't new. that's exactly what happened in 2018. all the gains in pennsylvania were in the philly suburbs. right? so you see a trend here that i think is telling. it's more about what the moderate republican party fronted by donald trump, how it's playing in the suburbs?
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>> don't you also think there's a piece of this? you look in the suburban areas. this is where established republicans say enough already with donald trump. it's easier to do that in an off-year election. that's what this is opposed to enough with donald trump so i'm going to go to who? we always have to remember that. if it's elizabeth warren, a lot of those establishment republicans are going to go, don't like trump. like her less. probably going to stick with trump. that's a dynamic. >> which is why in kentucky you didn't see the democratic candidate align himself that closely with the democratic nominees running for president. they were focused on specific issues. but i would go back to virginia because now you can have significant change across that state. redistricting. gun legislation. health care. minimum wage. that's why, yes, kentucky is a big story and kentucky not only impacts the president but mitch mcconnell, right? that's a negative slight for him as well in his own state.
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but you see how other states and particularly in texas at some point could follow suit. once a very red state. now turning more and more purple and blue. and now you're going to see the fallout of that. >> i remember in 2008, there was some talk. barack obama's numbers in virginia look pretty good. and everyone said, no democrat can win statewide in virginia. because none had won since lyndon johnson in 1964. now, yes, we will talk i think about virginia in that group of 10 to 12 swing states. i don't know how much of a swing state it is. look, it's not as blue as massachusetts, but recent results suggest it's going -- it would be hard for any republican particularly one with donald trump's profile to win there. that's a massive swing in a decade. >> newtown significantly --
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every town, excuse me, outspent the nra in that election out there. >> can i read something that i think plays into this discussion you're all having here on the implications in 2020? joe biden wrote an op-ed yesterday that touched on some of the issues. he talked about what is seen as a purity test in the democratic primary. some call it the my way or the highway approach to politics, but it's worse than that. it's condescending to those with a different view. it's representative of elitism that working class do not share. we know best, you know nothing. was he speak. ing to some of the concerns you just voiced there? >> i'm not sure. is he talking about a liberal purity test? yeah. i think he's betting on the idea that there's enough enthusiasm to get rid of trump. among democratic voters that they will be less pure in their interpretation of these candidates. and that there is still a more
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moderate way, that there are koor democratic voters who don't buy into warren or sanders' look into health care. there could be more evolution approaches on health care, for example. i think that's what he's counting on. a kind of pragmatism instead of this bold progress i have approach. >> and that's the difference this time around. because it's not just what we've seen in the past where progressives typically go after raising taxes and fighting against the rich. voters did not want their health care taken away from them. this goes back to 2018. so the question now is a debate within the democratic party. do we work with the system as we know it and give that a try or
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do we revolutionize it? that's going to be the issue going forward. not just a debate on raising taxes. >> one other thing i want to add quickly is i do think that whole elitism attack against elizabeth warren, i'm very interested to see how much it hurts her. because you know if she is the nominee, you're going to hear from donald trump socialist, harvard, academic, elitist, east coast liberal. so it's interesting biden is highlighting that. it's what is the real face of the democratic party now? for years and years it was scranton, right? joe biden, working class. and now it has moved much more to a academic policy based bernie sanders, elizabeth warren. this is what that fight in 2020 is more about. >> but it's african-american
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women that are a big par of it now. a major reversal. you called it a -- >> 180 degree turn. >> right. we'll discuss the difference between a u-turn and 180 turn. but this shift from a key witness in the impeachment investigation. what he's now saying about a quid pro quo after denying it. n. there's my career... my cause... and creating my dream home. i'm a work in progress. so much goes into who i am. hiv medicine is one part of it. prescription dovato is for adults who are starting hiv-1 treatment and who aren't resistant to either of the medicines dolutegravir or lamivudine. dovato has 2 medicines in 1 pill to help you reach and then stay undetectable. so your hiv can be controlled with fewer medicines while taking dovato. you can take dovato anytime of day with food or without. don't take dovato if you're allergic to any of its ingredients or if you take dofetilide. if you have hepatitis b, it can change during treatment with dovato and become harder to treat. your hepatitis b may get worse or become life-threatening
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joining us now is jeffrey toobin. sondland had testified before he didn't see a quid pro quo. he now says he did. let me read what he said here. he talks about a meeting where i said the resumption of u.s. aid would likely not occur until ukraine provided the public anticorruption statement we had been discussing for many weeks. the investigation into the group connected to the bidens. >> what makes this so significant is that every witness except sondland had said i saw a quid pro quo. but sondland said i didn't really see that. but then he comes out with this supplemental statement, this sworn statement. he says now that you mention it, i did see it. >> not just saw it. he's the one actually proposing the deal.
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>> it is peculiar he didn't remember it. i don't think we should throw around terms like perjury. i've seen that in some of the news coverage. people change their minds about testimony. it's embarrassing but they are almost never prosecuted if they come forward on their own and say i now remember. one of the arguments the defenders have made is well, we may have thought it was a quid pro quo. but the ukrainians never understood it was a quid pro quo. here sondland is saying i was telling the ukrainians it was a quid pro quo. so every defense that the trump supporters have put up about this incident keeps falling apart. >> he also admitted that it didn't sound good when he was
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saying this to the ukrainians and what he was hearing. that he sort of assumed it was illegal. so the fact he revised -- >> oh, that. yeah. >> does that signal to you that he or his attorneys felt he was in trouble because he was the sole voice saying i hadn't seen it? >> if you recall the news coverage, this has come out so quickly. even when his opening statement and the reports about his testimony came out, it was puzzle i puzzling he assumed to be disagreeing with everybody else. it's not surprising he changed his tune because he was so out of line with the other evidence. >> the language he is choosing with his u-turn is interesting. he said, i presumed there was this quid pro quo. he's not saying donald trump
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told me there was a quid pro quo. >> this is another area of defense you're going to hear. many of the witnesses who talk about quid pro quo like ambassador taylor, for example, did not have direct conversations with donald trump. the argument that all this quid pro quo evidence is hearsay. it's not all hearsay. it all starts with the partial transcript which seems to lay out a quid pro quo. the argument is donald trump never told him there was a quid pro quo. >> that a good argument? >> it makes no sense. where else was this coming from? but, you know, it is an argument you can make. if this is american policy and, you know, it comes from rudy giuliani who is the president's lawyer, what -- you know, where else did it -- you know, where else did it originate? >> jeffrey, thank you very much.
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okay. the democratic victories in kentucky and virginia flipped seats to blue. what does that mean for the 2020 election? we ask chris coons next. it's tough to quit smoking cold turkey. so chantix can help you quit slow turkey. along with support, chantix is proven to help you quit. with chantix you can keep smoking at first and ease into quitting. chantix reduces the urge so when the day arrives, you'll be more ready to kiss cigarettes goodbye. when you try to quit smoking, with or without chantix, you may have nicotine withdrawal symptoms. stop chantix and get help right away if you have changes in behavior or thinking, aggression, hostility, depressed mood, suicidal thoughts or actions, seizures,
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moments ago the turkish president announced turkey has captured the wife of abu bakr al baghdadi. baghdadi of course killed himself during a military raid
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last month in northwest syria. the u.s. military says he blew himself up after he was cornered in his compound. okay. now back to politics here. big victories for the democrats in the kentucky governor's race and the virginia state legislature. so what does that tell us about 2020? here now is senator chris coons. >> good to be here. >> good to have you. your reaction to the democratic victories in kentucky and virginia last night? >> i think this was a good night for democrats and it shows there's a lot of enthusiasm on the -- across the country for policies to tackle prescription drug prices, deal with gun violence in our communities and schools and deal with wages to strengthen the economy for americans. this was a close margin of victory in kentucky. but kentucky has been an elusively deep red state in recent years.
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it was a significant win in virginia taking back control of both chambers of their general assembly, their state legislature. the fact that matt bevin was the least popular governor in the country judged by polls, does that tell you something about 2020? or is that an aberration? >> it tells you that slavishly following president trump's policies, having president trump come down and campaign for you just the day before the election is not a path towards winning. let's talk about what's happening in the impeachment world. republicans have called for the transcripts of closed door meetings to be released. they said there wasn't enough transparency and they were really calling for the public and for them to be able to see what was going on in these interviews. well, now they got it and transcripts have been released.
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interestingly yesterday lindsey graham was asked if he read the transcripts. he said no and he said he didn't have any plans to. and he basically said he was writing off adam schiff, the chairman of intel. here's what lindsey graham told the reporter. >> i've written the whole process off. i've written him off. i think this is a bunch of b.s. i don't care what anybody else says about the phone call. the phone call i made up my own mind is fine. >> so they wanted to read the transcripts but now they don't want to. >> if the law's on your side, argue the law. if the facts are on your side, argue the facts. if you have neither, just pound the table. that's lind see graham essentially pounding the table saying i've written off the whole process. i've written off adam shif. the tlchbl call was fine. what we learned through these transcripts and in particular
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campaign was this wasn't just a phone call in which he clearly made a quid pro quo offer to the new president of ukraine desperate for american military assistance in the face of separatist attacks in eastern ukraine. this was a broad scale campai campaign -- a major republican donor engaged in a side foreign policy campaign that was fueled by right wing conspiracy theories. and designed to help president trump's re-election. >> as you know, after the impeachment inquiry will move to the trial phase in the senate and apparently there was this private lunch last week where
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republican senators hatched a plan or at least desire for during that time they'd like to call hunter biden. and maybe joe biden. this was senator rand paul and john kennedy floating this idea. does that worry you? >> what concerns me is we have those who continue to fuel a baseless theory that what joe biden was doing in ukraine was anything other than carries out both united states policy and combatting corruption of ukraine and eu and allied policy in ukraine. they're continuing to feed this narrative every investigation into this has shown there was nothing to it. they're trying to distract from what was clearly an abuse of power by president trump at least according to all of the
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interviews, the transcripts, the allegations we've heard so far. >> but can they call them? do you think that hunter biden and joe biden will be called as part of this senate trial? >> i certainly hope not, but they may will happen. the republican majority rather than working with us in the democratic caucus and coming up with widely agreed upon rules for how to proceed with the impeachment are at least according to that report you just shared looking for ways to further juice the partisan aspects of this inquiry. >> senator chris coons, thank you for being on "new day." all right. so we all see it nearly every day. how fox news and some right wing media outlets act as megaphones for the president. the question is, just how much? let's get a reality check. >> you live by bipartisan media,
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you may die by bipartisan media. right wing media played a major role in pumping up two discredited narratives about ukraine that donald trump just couldn't quit. first the crowd strike conspiracy theory that it was ukraine not russia that hacked the dnc. and second, the idea the u.s. ambassador was blocking the real corruption investigations in ukraine into the bidens. these ideas stuck in the president's careen yum. not because they were backed by our intelligence agencies but because they were confirmation bias conspiracy theories. they validated what he wanted to be true. fox opinion host sean hannity. congratulations, everybody. this is the first time that a president's belief in a conspiracy theory led to an impeachment inquiry. it's a sign of our times. we know from the newly released mueller investigation notes that
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paul manafort was one of the first to seed it in donald trump's head. we also know sean hannity's show might be considered a contribution. chronicled hannity's mentions in campaign emails and called him king trump's chief prop gandist. perhaps coincidentally he's been a staunch defender of wikileaks. and when ambassador ya von vich was going on, she was called and hounded. rudy giuliani may sincerely believe he was fighting corruption with a sideline ukraine investigation, but he was doing so with two indicted florida men with a trail of lawsuits and a new venture that was literally called fraud guarantee. sources tell cnn one of them was
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taking cash from the pro-putin oligarch. and the results were going to solomon whose column was just a case for the investigation. sean hannity amplified it all. it's a closed loop. somebody was benefitting from all this, but it's not the american people. former special envoy kurt volker testified that he warned giuliani the source of those theories was not credible and that biden was executing u.s. policy at the time in what was widely understood to be the right policy. addicted to anger, anxiety, and resentment. it's a paradise for disinformation. but now we see those impulses weaponized with the power of the presidency. and the result is an off the rails administration. facing something you don't aufb often see with conspiracy theories. it's called consequences. and that's your reality check. >> great job, john.
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thank you very much for all of that reality this morning. so the impeachment investigation is ramping up and we wanted to see how it may affect the 2020 election and how key swing voters in two key swing districts feel about it. are you comfortable, show of hands, with asking a foreign entity for help with dirt on a political opponent? we get the pulse of the people next. what if numbers tell only half the story? at t. rowe price, hundreds of our experts go beyond the numbers to examine investment opportunities firsthand. like a biotech firm that engineers a patient's own cells to fight cancer. this is strategic investing.
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this morning a political setback for president trump. democrats declaring victory in the governor's race in kentucky and flipping both legislative chambers in virginia. the cause? a huge shift in the suburbs. and that might be important in 2020. but also important, white women without a college degree. they voted overwhelmingly for
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donald trump in 2016. so where do things stand now? cnn senior politics writer harry enten is here. >> hello. >> hello. >> good morning. it's not like i saw you early this morning. look. this i think is a very key group. i've been looking at the polling data seeing where perhaps there's been some shifts. to me there's a shift among white women without a college degree. look. here was the 2016 vote choice according to pew research center. trump won this group by 23 percentage points. but then i looked at our cnn patrol since april of 2019. what did i see there? i looked at the approval among the same group. trump's approval rating with them only 50%. his disapproval, all the way up to 47%. basically we've seen him go to a net margin of 23 here to a net margin of only 3 here. that is by far the largest we've seen of any group.
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>> i know you looked at pennsylvania. why is that important? >> take a look here. they both voted for barack obama. both voted for donald trump. and in 2018 they both voted for the democratic candidate for governor tom wolfe. if i'm looking forward to donald trump and i'm trying to get an understanding of how different groups potentially are moving, these two particular groups have a lot of white voters without college degrees specifically white women without college degrees. let's see how these groups vote. how they vote in 2020 may give you a good indication of how the nation is going to vote. >> i have an answer for you. >> i led you right into it. >> thank you for that. so pennsylvania will again of course be this key battleground in 2020 as will that important voting block of white women harry just described. how do those voters feel about the impeachment inquiry? how will that affect their vote? we sat down with a group of six swing voters, women from those two swing counties to ask them.
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and just uneditorial note for you. you're going to hear some long pregnant pauses in this segment. we did not tighten those up in the edit room so that you can hear some of their struggle with mixed feelings. here's our pulse of the people. how many of you, show of hands, support the impeachment investigation that is beginning? >> investigation? support it. >> four of you support that. >> well, simple fact, it's never ever ever going to pass through the senate. congress isn't doing anything but inquiries and hearings and inquiries and hearings. >> what they would say is there's new information and that's the ukraine call. >> there's consistently evolving information. >> how many of you are comfortable with what president trump asked for in terms of withholding military aid for an investigation of the bidens? >> as a business owner, i wouldn't give up that kind of money if i thought something was going on. i think he had every right to ask that. >> because it was a new
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president. >> why are we giving ukraine so much money anyway when we have homeless veterans on the streets? like, really? go to san diego. go to los angeles and you'll see them. and it's pitiful. >> that's where congress should be working. >> exactly. >> that's where they should be working. >> thank you. >> just so i'm clear on that. so you're comfortable with withholding military aid to ukraine though they're fighting russia because you don't like the idea that that money goes there anyway? >> well, i don't know why it's going there. but i'm saying if they have money to keep giving to everybody, why not help our own people first? >> exactly. >> are you comfortable, show of hands, with asking a foreign entity for help with dirt on a political opponent? nobody is comfortable with that. you are comfortable with it. why do you think it's okay to ask? >> he's the president of the united states. he should be allowed to ask for military information. >> well, this is political information. >> well, even political information. >> does that bother you? >> didn't every other president do it? >> i can't speak for any other president. >> they all do it.
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>> i don't know that to be true. >> i don't know that to be true either. >> so why are you hanging your hat on that? >> i'm just saying. i'm just saying. i mean -- >> but you're comfortable with it because that's how you think it works? >> as a business owner, yeah. >> so you just see this as a business transaction. >> it is. >> his business is this country. getting dirt to benefit him does not benefit this country. that benefits him. he's not a business leader. >> no matter what business you're in or what you're doing, accountability. it's bad practice. >> show of hands, how many would like the identity of the whistle-blower to be revealed and think it should be? >> that's not how it's supposed to work. the whole point is it's supposed to be one of those checks and balances where you can come forward and say this is going on and people don't know and it's wrong. >> it's like going to human resources department. >> exactly. it's supposed to be a confidential thing. >> i don't think that it should be revealed right now.
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i think that for, like, historical purposes that yes, it would be nice for the american people to know what happened, who saw this. >> you're curious, basically. >> yes. >> you're curious. >> that could get that person shot. >> the point of a whistle-blower is anonymity. so are you uncomfortable when president trump calls for their identity to be unmasked? >> i don't think it should be unmasked publicly. >> but what if president trump knows about it? >> that's wrong. >> it'll be public. it'll be on twitter, i assume, within five minutes. >> how many people think the impeachment process will hurt president trump? >> i think it's going to hurt everyone. >> you think it will hurt president trump. is that to say the rest of you think it will hurt the democrats? >> i think it's going to hurt everyone. when you splash mud, it hits everyone. >> and again, they're not going to get nothing done because they're doing all this worrying about the hearings and impeachment. >> to be fair, 490 bills have been passed by the house.
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65 pieces of legislation came out -- >> how many in the senate? >> 65. >> because a lot of things are coming out of the house and then dying in the senate. >> absolutely. >> because they won't work together. there's literally no compromising. >> do you want compromise? >> yes. >> no one's supposed to win all the time. everyone from a business perspective, you compromise. you don't walk away every time. >> most of us are mothers and we want everyone to work together. >> absolutely. >> you're tired of the divisiveness? >> we are. >> absolutely. >> i think most people in the country are. >> do you think that president trump plays any role in that divisiveness? >> no. >> yes. >> do you think he's being helpful? >> i think he's being helpful, yes. >> how? how is he bringing the country together? >> i'm not sure how he's bringing the democrats and republicans together. however, i do think he's trying to get stuff done. >> let's go around and one word for these past three years how you would describe the trump
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presidency? >> divisive. >> entertaining. you never know what you're going to get every day. >> one of a kind. definitely. >> i believe he's for the people. >> you believe the trump presidency for the people means selfless? >> no. >> just for the people. >> he's making a change. >> embarrassing. >> that's a good one. >> that is a good one. >> fantabulous. >> so crystal, is there anything he could do that would make you not vote for him? >> no. >> if he shot someone on 5th avenue, would you vote for him? >> you'd have to know why he shot him. >> yeah, why did he shoot him? >> okay. and tomorrow we will hear from that same group of voters.
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which group they're leaning towards and which issues are really going to help them decide on election day. >> look, crystal at the end there saying it depends on why the president shot someone. i think that will get the headlines from this interview. but there was a lot of interesting stuff there. he needs 100% of these voters. and he needs 100% of 100% from these voters. and there was some conflict internally there on the impeachment inquiry that i wasn't expecting based on what you had told me you heard from them. five or six of them actually said they did not approve of the president asking a foreign country to investigate a political opponent which tells me that a lot depends on how this a framed going forward. and how democrats and republicans frame this discussion going forward. and the people are listening carefully. >> i appreciate that. one more point is that these are women who told me universally that they vote for the person, not the party. they have all voted for democrats and all voted for republicans. they go back and forth based on their lives and based on the
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time for cnn business now. a major merger could be in the works in the tech world. christine romans is here with the details. >> good morning. a big potential deal in the headlines. "the wall street journal" reports xerox is considering a takeover of computer and printermaker hp. a cash and stock deal above hp's market value of about $27 billion. these are 20th century brand names. the journal calls them savie i stars of technology. the journal cites people familiar with the matter saying xerox received an informal funding commitment from a bank. hp just installed a new ceo last week. it is more than three times the size of xerox. no guarantee xerox will follow through with an offer or one would succeed. also in merger news, the fcc approved the merger between t mobile and sprint, america's third and fourth largest wireless carriers. consumer groups and a dozen state attorneys general opposed this deal fearing it would drive
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up your cell phone bill. they've ended early termination fees and reintroduced unlimited data plans. a group state ofs have sued to block this merger. thomas payne, farrah fawcett, billy carter, the station wagon. a new book celebrates people and things who died, they all died -- >> that's what they have in common. >> -- without getting a proper sendoff. cbs sunday morning correspondent mo raqqah, author of "mobituaries." i couldn't put this down. i had a million things i had to be doing but i found myself wanting to read one more, one more, one more. why did you decide to sort of commemorate the not sufficiently commemorated? >> i'm now imagining the most awesome road trip of farrah faucet, billy carter and thomas
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payne in a station wagon going to the grand canyon. i got my love of the obituaries from my father. a good obituary is about the life of somebody, not the death. and there were people that didn't get the sendoff they deserved. farrah fawcett died on the same day as michael jackson. so we didn't give her the love she deserved. >> and so what would we have said. she did get gypped. but when you looked into it, what did you feel she deserved? >> i think farrah fawcett was -- i think when someone is in the public eye long enough you can figure out who they are. right? the public is smart. we loved farrah long after the poster days, right, for different reasons. >> the three of us at this table all love farrah for different reasons. >> absolutely. >> sort of. >> and at the end of her life, what she did for people suffering with cancer struggling as she was, there was something about her.
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you just loved her and the '70s were sort of a sluggish time. she was refreshing and exciting and the hair and the teeth and the poster. >> don't knock the '70s. >> one more thing you also said dead people are easier to deal with than other people. >> dead people are so easy to deal with. and, you know, but, no, i mean, obviously, you have perspective and i think some people are still remembered like farrah, like marlena dietrich, like thomas payne. >> speaking of the '70s, you write about billy carter. i love obituaries because i always learn something new. and billy carter, we all have this notion whof he was and what he stood for and billy beer, but i didn't know until i read here, he went into aa and was totally,
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totally changed his life after his brother's presidency. >> the last chapter of his life was his proudest. i talked to president jimmy carter and his widow cybill and their six kids and they describe a man that was funny, smarkt, hard working and in the last years of his life he went around the country talking to people, a lot of blue collar people that could relate to him who were struggling with alcoholism. look, he was in his late 30s with six kids when the international press descended on the tiny town of plains, georgia. i couldn't have handled that. and he wasn't able to run his business. it went into a blind trust because the president, you know -- >> imagine that. imagine that. it never happens. >> he was in office. so his profession became being billy carter. there was nothing else he could do at that point. >> that's a really interesting addendum. you brought up thomas payne. he doesn't get nearly as much
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love as george washington, thomas jefferson, john adams, benjamin franklin or the post musical alexander hamilton. but payne was the intellectual engine that poured the american revolution. no pain, no gain of independence. he wrote common sense, which, you know, based on the population at the time is the biggest selling in history. it marshalled the colonists to band together and see themselves as americans, not as marylanders, virginians and new yorkers and rebel against the crown. he didn't have a great personality. the biggest problem thomas payne had was he was a revolutionary that didn't know how to turn into a statesman. he's the guy at dinner that only wants to talk about the issues. >> came out against george washington and jesus which is tough. >> know your audience. >> and his brain stem was preserved? >> he has a lot of fans, and so
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his body was dug up from its grave and his bones were scattered all around the world. and there's a big market for them on the internet. >> i am so relieved that someone knows this and has written about it, mo. thank you very much for this work. the book is "mobituaries" by mo rocca. >> thanks to our international viewers for watching. for you not cnn newsroom is next. for the rest of you, the democrats riding a blue wave. the results of last night's election and what it all means. andy beshear is declaring victory. in a state democrats won by a ton. >> this is the first time democrats will control the governors mansion and both parts of the state legislature for complete control in virginia. >> we won on the maps that the republicans drew back in 2011 otheir maps. >> one of the president's top envoys changing his testimony.
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>> ambassador sondland explicitly admitted that a quid pro quo most certainly did occur. >> any linkage that has been alleged is based on many times second or thirdhand information. >> it's one more confirmation that the whistle-blower was correct. >> this is "new day" with alisyn camerota and john berman. >> good morning and welcome to your new day. it's wednesday, november 6th. it's 8:00 in the east. president trump is waking up this morning to big setbacks, both at the ballot box and in the impeachment arena. a lot of breaking news for you. first, overnight, the democrat andy beshear has declared victory in kentucky's governors race over matt bevin. this is a state that president trump won in a landslide, 30 points in 2016. and the president was just there two nights ago to make a push for bevin. in virginia, democrats flipped the house and senate there. the first time since 1992 that's happened. and therere


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