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all right. impeachment hearings begin next week. "new day" continues right now. >> the first dates have been set for those first public hearings. the white house is essentially bracing themselves. >> you cannot impeach from office based on somebody saying they presumed and somebody else saying they interpreted. >> you want an initial hit, someone to describe exactly what took place? i don't know if anyone is better than ambassador taylor. >> the republicans have struggled to try to defend the indefensible. >> m ares are not struggling on anything. >> the aftermath was the attorney general to have a public appearance declined. welcome to our viewers in the united states and all around the world. this is "new day." alisyn loves that sunrise. >> well, i love that sunrise but that was an ominous music sting we just started with. >> the sun is rising, dun dun dun. >> we begin with new allegations
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that president trump tried to use the justice department to influence public perception about the impeachment inquiry. "the washington post" was the first to report this morning the president asked attorney general william barr to hold a news conference last month. go out in public and clear the president of any wrong doing involving his july call to ukraine where there was this alleged shakedown with the ukrainian president. this comes as a new witness heads to capitol hill today to testify. jennifer williams, the senior adviser to mike pence was on that july call. she is expected to reveal her concerns about it and talk about the vice president's role in all of this. it's still unknown whether former national security adviser john bolton will appear today. >> the televised impeachment hearings will begin next week. the first witness house democrats will call is ambassador bill taylor. you'll remember he's the top american diplomat in ukraine. taylor tells lawmakers it was
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his clear understanding that u.s. aid to ukraine would not be released until the ukrainian president agreed to investigate president trump's political rivals. in other words, that's a condition for a quid pro quo. taylor will testify in public before the house intel committee wednesday. joining us now to talk about this and so much more, we have political director david chalian, rachael bade from "the washington post," and cnn chief legal analyst jeffrey toobin. let's talk about your reporting in "the washington post" about how president trump had wanted attorney general bill barr to go out and make a public statement basically exonerating president trump of any wrong doing or any illegality in that july 25th phone call. and we had seen in the past bill barr go out and make a misleading summar of the mueller report. so do we know why he refused to do it this time? >> yeah. quite a difference. i mean, back when the mueller report was released, barr went
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out there and braced trump's number one talking point which was no collusion. said that specifically to reporters. clearly when it came to ukraine from our understanding and my colleagues' reporting is that barr wanted nothing to do with the ukraine business. and wanted to distance himself from it from the moment this all hit the headlines. if you remember back in this transcript, the president told president se sen ski of ukraine, work with bill barr. he's going to want to help you with the investigation of the bidens. right when the transcript came out, that spoke -- a spokesperson for barr specifically pushed back on that saying he never had a conversation with the president about that. a couple of days later, mulvaney had this big press conference where he said, look. of course there was a quid pro quo. money is contingent on them helping us with this investigation suggesting doj was aware of it. well with sh doj pushed back on that again saying this was news to them. clearly barr has not wanted anything to do with this ukraine controversy in this reporting
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that my colleagues got saying he was not willing to go out there and say, quote, no quid pro quo like trump wanted him to is just another indication of that. >> you know, there's an irony here. that if barr had said from the beginning, the justice department has to investigate this. we have to look at this as a criminal matter, they could have stopped all these congressional hearings. they could have said -- because, you know, that's -- law enforcement always goes first. in an effort to help the president by saying there's no law enforcement matter by declining, he set the stage for impeachment which is a mixed blessing. >> three sometimes william barr denied the president on ukraine. denied to hold a public news conference. number two, denied mick mulvaney'ses aerations about the quid pro quo. also they went out of their way to separate themselves from rudy
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giuliani. it does seem there is some attempted distance here that barr is trying to place. the question is why. >> there is attempted distance. there's no doubt. and the flip side of what jeffrey's saying, of course, is that the president -- i mean the attorney general did shut down this criminal referral that came their way pretty quickly which i take jeffrey's point. yes, move to impeachment. but moving out of the legal and into the political is not entirely clear that that is a worse scenario for donald trump in the end. >> here's a little bit more of what attorney general barr did do and was willing to do and this touches an everything you were talking about even without the attorney general. gave the president nearly everything he wanted in an orchestrated rollout alongside the release of trump's ukraine call. the department publicly announced the criminal division prosecutors found no wrong doing by the president at least as it related to campaign finance law. they released a legal memo on why the inspector general was
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not required to turn over a whistle-blower complaint to congress. so jeffrey, it wasn't like he completely washed his hands of this. >> no, he didn't. but, you know, remember. from the partial transcript of the president's call to the president of ukraine that really is the core of this story, you have the president saying talk to barr. barr is my guy. and he was apparently, the president, lying about all of the barr stuff. you can see that barr as zealous a supporter he has been of the president might be a little offended by the idea that he was sort of dragged into this without his knowledge. >> as much as wishful thinking. he wanted barr to handle this. >> perhaps. i mean, that is perhaps -- yes. perhaps that is not exactly a lie. >> all right. >> not exactly the truth either. but that's okay. >> the key moment now in the proceedings where we're finishing up with the closed door depositions and next week starting on wednesday, it all goes public for the world to
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see. these are the three witnesses we're going to hear from next week. william taylor, george kint, and marie yovanovitch. we've now seen the transcript of his closed door deposition. and he says of what he alleges was basically a shakedown by president trump on the president of ukraine. that was my clear understanding. security assistance money would not come until the president of ukraine committed to pursue the investigation. he will testify he saw evidence of the shakedown and he'll also testify to something now the republicans are calling into question. that he thought it was wrong. that he thought what he saw was wrong. what's the significance of the moment when william taylor goes public next week? >> so democrats are -- i mean, clearly they're trying to start off with a bang. this is a witness who can connect all the dots and talk to all the various chapters of this is a ga. not just ukraine and its history with russia in needing assistance from the united states and how that benefits america in and of itself, but
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giuliani's work behind the scenes with these sort of corrupt and shady figures that were questionable. then he heard point blank from other people at the white house that the money was being withheld specifically to try to leverage this investigation and make ukraine do this probe of trump's adversaries. this is a person who can start at the beginning and connect the dots through the end. >> the one thing is he didn't hear directly from president trump. >> you're going to hear that a lot. >> we already hear it. that's already what republicans have fastened on. when taylor says i think the origin of the idea to get president zelensky out loud he's going to investigate burisma, i think the person who came up with that was mr. giuliani. then the interviewer asks, and he was representing whose interests? and taylor says president trump. again, they will say that he's surmi surmising. >> they will say that.
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but i also think you will see democrats point out that it is bill taylor's testimony in the written domain and the helped sondland flip his story and actually admit about a quid pro quo. so i do think that democrats will push back that while he didn't speak to donald trump directly to suggest that bill taylor isn't able to connect some of the dots here, i think defies what bill taylor's testimony is. but having him come up first is the classic lesson we all learn in journalism school, right? lead with the lead. i mean, they're putting forward the person they believe is their strongest witness to tell this story to the american people. >> i also think sond land did talk to the president. >> precisely my point. >> i was just going to jump in and say i think it's important to keep in mind republicans are very much going to use this sort of line of attack saying you didn't specifically hear quid pro quo from the president's lips. you heard it from other people
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like sondland who doesn't even know who told him the military money was lenveraged on this investigation. there were two quid pro quos here and sondland and others have testified that they have heard from the president's lips that they needed an investigation for this head of state meeting to actually occur with ukraine. this was something ukraine really wanted. so even though, you know, perhaps there was -- there's not going to be someone up there to say i heard directly from the president's lips that the military aid was linked to this investigation, people have testified multiple people that it came from the president's lips when it came to the head of state meeting. >> and overarching all of this is the issue of rudy giuliani. and if rudy giuliani is telling people to do something, who's telling rudy giuliani? giuliani has said over and over again, i was the presidented lawyer. that's the only purpose i had over there. so the idea you can draw some d
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distinction. >> and who was working on his behalf? rudy giuliani. it wasn't just that we dress alike, we think alike also. jeffrey, giuliani hired defense lawyers. >> wise choice. >> it's interesting. his name has gone under the radar for a couple of weeks as others have testified here. now we've got this defense team. i think we're going to hear a lot about him starting next week. >> absolutely. i think it's important to point out that rudy giuliani has not been accused of any crime so far. his two associates are under indictment for a crime where rudy giuliani is not charged. and he very well may never be charged with anything. but if you look at the campaign finance issues around him, if you look at the foreign registration act issues around him, it is certainly wise for him to get a lawyer. especially as you pointed out earlier they said they don't want to meet with him anymore because he is the subject of a
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criminal investigation. >> all right. thank you very much for all of your reporting. so a twist for the 2020 race that could pit the president against his former attorney general jeff sessions. what will win out? the president's desire to win that seat for republicans? or his animosity for jeff sessions? we explore. skin sin #17... too many after-parties. new neutrogena® bright boost with dullness-fighting neoglucosamine. boosts cell turnover by 10 times for instantly brighter skin. bright boost neutrogena®.
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. after election losses this week in kentucky and virginia, how do republicans see their chances in 2020? joining us now is david fromm from the atlantic and former
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speech writer for president george w. bush. great to see you this morning. as i understand from your latest piece, you see what happened in wednesday as ominous for republicans in 2020. and it's more than just the people who say they didn't vote for matt bevin becaus he was a jerk. >> look at -- i think one of the most ominous races were the ones where nothing seemed to happen. like what happened in mississippi. one of the most pro-trump states in the union if not the very most. in 2015 the governor's race republicans got 66% of the vote in mississippi. this time they got 53%. that's still a win. but it's an indication of a decline in republican intensity. that's pretty ominous for the president. >> and back to kentucky for a second because you saw the red flags primarily in the coal country counties in southeastern kentucky. what was their message? >> i wrote about this for the atlantic in 2017. if you look at that southeast corner of the state, what you saw was the effect of obamacare.
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no state had a swifter decrease in uninsurance between 2012 and 2017 than kentucky. 15% of kentuckians lacked insurance before obamacare went into effect. they got that down to 5% or 6%. and the biggest benefit was in the southeast corner of the state, appalachia coal country. overwhelmingly white. these were areas where rand paul in 2016 got about 80% of the vote. but these are also areas where between 15% and 20% of the people would lose coverage if medicaid was repealed. and that's what governor bevin attacked. that's what president trump has been attacking nationwide. 1.7 million fewer americans insured than two years ago. >> your interpretation seems clearer than some of the republicans in congress. if i can read to you some of the senate republicans and what they took away from election day losses. senate majority leader mitch mcconnell from kentucky, i don't think that anything happened there tuesday changes 2020.
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senator shelley moore capito. probably a way to find our way back to the suburban voter. we've got our work cut out for sure. senator susan collins. i think this was indicative of an unpopular governor. it goes on. so they don't quite -- haven't quite lassoed this idea it's about health care and president trump's attack on obamacare. >> well, what senators say is not always what senators think. i think those things do register concern. and if the problem is an unpopular governor, they need to remember on top of the presidential ticket they'll have a very unpopular president. went out of his way. remember the covington boys who got into that famous youtube altercati altercation? made a huge issue out of them.
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almost every precinct in covington voted democrat. >> jeff sessions, former senator and attorney general is reportedly going to announce today that he wants his senate seat back. here is what president trump has said of late about jeff sessions. >> the attorney general made a terrible mistake. everyone my enemies say that jeff sessions should have told you that he was going to recuse himself. what kind of a man is this? only reason i gave him the job because i felt loyalty. i'm very disappointed with the attorney general, but we will see what happens. the attorney general says i'm going to recuse myself. >> how's this going to go? >> well, this turns the contest of the republican nomination in alabama into a blood bath. because there will be -- jeff sessions is very popular but so is the president in alabama among republicans. he's elevating the president into a primary fight. something the president's
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normally stayed far away from to embrace the winner. should jeff sessions win, how does president trump support in the general election and who will believe it? taking what should be one of the surest republican wins in the senate. alabama. now held by a democrat who won against an accused child molester and put it into question for no good question. when republicans are saying, well, we've got this for 2020. the trump x-factor is such a factor for today i don't say. even more republicans should have it easier. they now have it hard. >> david frum, thank you very much. everyone should read his article in the atlantic. great to talk to you. one of the president's longest political advisers roger stone is on trial in washington. what we have learned about his interactions with then-candidate trump the days that it became public that the dnc emails were hacked and the two former trump
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officials who will testify against stone. >> and you will also hear more from our voter panel. these are women in key swing districts who will play a big role in deciding the 2020 election. how many of you if the election were held today, show of hands, would vote for president trump? their answers and how they see the democratic field next. ♪ ♪ only lexus asks questions like these, because we believe the most amazing machines are inspired by you. experience the rewards of our curiosity. frustrated that clean clothes you want to wear always seem to need an iron? try bounce wrinkle guard dryer sheets. the bounce wrinkle guard shorts have fewer wrinkles and static, and more softness. it's the world's first mega sheet
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on wednesday we introduced you to a group of six voters from two key swing districts in pennsylvania. these voters are an important demographic. white women without college
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degrees. all say they vote for the person, not the party. three of them voted for barack obama and then donald trump. so we wanted to know which candidates and issues interest them this time and how many plan to vote for president trump. here now is part two of our pulse of the people. is show of hands. how many of you have at times voted for republicans and at times democrats? all of you. how many of you voted for president obama and then voted for president trump? okay. so marianne, explain how you were able to vote for both. >> i voted for trump because he was not a politician. you get tired of the same old, same old from washington and i really wanted someone that would make big changes. >> president trump, he said he was going to take care of us and he was going to make sure we had more money in our paychecks and help us out. because you go to work, you work hard, and you have nothing. then there's people that don't even work that have more than i
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do. >> has your life economically, financially improved under president trump? >> i have a lot more in my paycheck. >> i do have more in my paycheck as well. >> my stock portfolio is doing great. >> that too. >> maybe that's why i look at the economy different. i'm not where a lot of you are financially, i don't think. i'm pretty darn low income. my family has received food stamps personally. >> what do you do for a living? >> until recently i worked at a grocery store. and now i am running a cafe. >> do you think that the economy is doing great? >> no. i think the economy for the upper middle class has gotten better. and that's great for them. but the economy hasn't gotten better for me. >> crystal, you voted in 1992 for bill clinton. you didn't vote again in an election until 2016. is that right? >> donald trump was running. and i said finally, another businessman, and i got fired up. >> has he lived up to your expectations? >> absolutely.
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i think he's doing just fine. if he says this is what i'm going to do, he's doing it. >> he hasn't built the wall. do you hold that promise against him? >> no. because isn't the whole wall part of getting the money from congress too? and isn't congress stopping him from getting the money? i mean, where's the money going to come from? is he supposed to print it right there at the white house? >> well, i think it's coming from mexico. that was the campaign promise. >> i believe that's literally a quote. >> how many of you if the election were held today, show of hands, would vote for president trump? okay. one of you would. lisa marie, are you on the fence? >> i liked him in the beginning when he first came out. he was saying things like it is. probably saying things like most of us think but don't want to say. but i'm also thinking he's gotten out of control. >> that's just him. i mean, watch him from the '80s
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on. he's just -- i mean, he used to go on the oprah show and stuff. he's always been so candid about i can do that movie star or i can do this. he's just -- >> he's a reality star. >> he's just donald trump. >> you like that? >> i like that he's unapologetic. >> in terms of any personal indiscretions were paying hush money to a porn star, how many people are bothered by that? what bothers you? >> he was asked did you, like -- just like bill clinton pretty much. did you have sex with this woman? did you pay her off? and he said no. and it came out, he did. people were like, you know what? it's not a big deal. but he did lie to us. >> there's no remorse. there's no regret. there is no humility. >> i don't vote for personalities. i vote for who's going to get the job done. >> and why are you on the fence today? >> i'm always on the fence until i make the decision.
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i like to wait for the debates. i want to see who is out there. >> i mean, there's so many candidates right now, i can't even pretend to know everything about all of them or even most of the things about all of them. >> is there any democrat that appeals to you? >> pete buttigieg. >> i like pete buttigieg. >> that guy, he's a harvard graduate. he was in the military. he's smart. he's just articulate. he has great ideas. he just speaks to me. >> show of hands, how many people like pete buttigieg? is there any democrat thus far that has appealed to you or jumps out. >> biden right now seems to jump out, but, you know, it can change. because i think, you know, they keep saying they're going to bring on someone they haven't announced yet. >> who's they? >> the democratic party. so i'm just waiting. but it's gotten to the point where you don't know who to believe in im. >> i'm going to be totally honest, once again i listen to media, i listen to people here and there in restaurants. and kind of forming my opinions from other people's opinions.
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and then i just started researching and looking. and looking at different articles. and going to hillary clinton, i always thought benghazi, hillary, that was her deal. the emails and everything. but once you read enough articles and you look at a lot of things, she really didn't do anything wrong. you know? interestingly enough, i was actually shocked by that, you know? because this is what i heard and this is what i thought. >> we are in this polarized world right now where everybody only goes to their own news source that they think that speaks to them. >> and i do think a lot of americans just don't have the time or the energy or have the interest or information. it can be a full-time job for some people. >> that's a great point. lightning round. one word. we'll go around to describe how you see the 2020 race. do you want to start, alisyn? >> polarizing. >> confusing. >> too much information out there, you're saying? >> yes. >> intriguing.
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>> trump. >> i would have to just say change. >> i don't know if i can say it in one word. i really just think it's going to be enlightening. >> so do i. >> look, that's enlightening. listening to these conversations, you really learn so much. and you see voters trying to process all the information and think about the choices they're going to make. i really am captivated by what i saw there in many ways. i will say once again, these are voters that i think president trump needs. he basically needs to go 5 for 6 or 6 for 6. >> that's what harry enten tells us. that those women that are in those swing districts are who he needs. and at the moment, he has one of them solidly. one. but i really appreciate their candor. i really appreciate them coming on national tv and saying all of
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that and saying that they are overwhelmed by all the information and all of the candidates. and of course nobody has the time and bandwidth to be able to look up information about them. soy they look forward to it being played out and whittled down. >> and crystal getting a lot of press for saying he could shoot someone on 5th avenue and she wouldn't care. he has her. but he needs more people than her. he needs to expand. it'll be interesting to see if he can. republicans have publicly maintained their support for president trump during the impeachment investigation. but what about in private? we're going to speak with one democratic senator about what he's hearing behind the scenes next. you've tried so many moisturizers... but one blows them all out of the water. hydro boost with hyaluronic acid to plump skin cells
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so what can we expect if and when this case heads to trial in the senate? joining me now is senator sherrod brown from ohio. he is the author of the new book "desk 88: eight progressive senators who changed america." i love the book and we'll talk about it in a second. first i want to ask you. in terms of impeachment, you said you will look at the evidence if it comes to trial in the senate. but you also say the evidence shows you a fact pattern that even richard nixon wouldn't have committed. what do you mean by that? >> i'm not a lawyer, but i understand this whole process. that's often done in secret. obviously the impeachment hearings will be public as they should. then the trial begins, the trial is open. both sides get to present their cases. the house impeachment members who will be prosecutors in essence in the senate chamber and then the president has his
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lawyers. i've said the impeachment is the right thing to do because i think that donald trump did things even beyond what richard nixon did in terms of talking to foreign powers, asking them for their help in his personal campaign, his personal re-election. i don't know if it is grounds for removal, if it reaches the level of high crimes and misdemeanors. i'm hopeful that senators in both parties, all 100 of us go into this with an open mind. not listening to our constituents. not -- only time i'll evered a vo ka it that. not reading our mail about not being swayed by public opinion. but looking at the evidence just like a judge and jury would do in a criminal chiel. -- trial. it's that simple in some sense that our obligation is to do that. >> it will take 20 republicans to convict and remove the president if it does come to that. >> i don't think it's absolute that every democrat votes to convict and remove. as i said, i hope that both
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parties go into this with an open mind. looking at did the president commit something to remove from office. >> republicans so far are rock solid in their defense of the president publicly. but you've said -- what do you mean by that? >> way more often than occasionally. most -- i can't say most. i can say for sure a number of republican senators whom i've talked to think this president has trouble telling the truth, think that he's acted improperly or worse. they're embarrassed by it. some number of republicans think that he's a racist. i happen to believe there's no doubt about that. so they say that privately. they don't say that publicly in part because they're afraid of his base, of their base losing a primary.
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and partly, they like the tax cuts if they are rich that this president's done. they like his attacks on the environment and labor rights. and they like the judges he's selected. >> that's what you may be hearing in private. but in public, they say things like this. i want to play sound from senator kennedy last night. he really attacks nancy pelosi. someone who you've expressed a lot of praise for in the past. so listen to this. >> and you know what our democratic friends have done for him? speaker nancy pelosi is trying to impeach him. i don't mean any disrespect, but it must suck to be that dumb. >> that doesn't sound like a senator who has an open mind about the evidence. >> john kennedy is on the banking committee with me. he's smarter than that. he's funnier than that in person. he seems to have more principles than that. he plays to the crowd, i guess,
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when you stand next to donald trump and you have that kind of crowd reaction, you play to it. and i'm disappointed because i like john. and for him to say that about nancy pelosi is so off the mark. i say in my book, she is probably the best even more than lyndon johnson the best leader of a political party in either house in this congress in a hundred years. >> i want to talk about the book "desk 88." and desk 88 is your senate desk. and you write about eight other progressive senators who have shared that desk. i want to start by asking the moment when you first opened the desk in 2007, i guess, when you were becoming a u.s. senator and you saw those names there. i think we have a picture of the desk here. and there are a lot of names there including robert kennedy, al gore sr. what's it like that moment where you open a desk like that and see those names and think, my gosh. i'm actually going to sit here. >> yeah. it's pretty exciting. i've been in the senate probably
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two weeks and you choose based on seniority where you're going to seat. i heard it really doesn't matter. there are no bad seats. so i pulled open three or four desk drawers because i heard that senators write their names sort of like middle school, carve their names in the desk drawer. mcgovern, gore, tennessee, and kennedy. so i said to ted kennedy then in the senate, he walks over and i said ted, which brother's desk is this. he looks and says, well, it's got to be bobby's desk. i have jack's. so i started thinking about who some of these senators were. some of them i knew a lot about. not many. a few i knew nothing about. and i selected eight of them. no particular reason it was eight. and began writing and thinking and researching. and ten years later, the book was finished. so i didn't speed write this. i thought a lot about it. i read 150 books to prepare for it. but i wrote it mostly because i believe that the power of government can make a difference positively in people's lives. it's the reason i wear this canary pin.
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new questions about president trump's involvement in the effort to obtain the emails that were stolen by the russians from the democratic national committee in 2016. telephone records released at the trial of the president's longtime friend and political adviser roger stone show that he spoke with donald trump three times the same day that the news of the hack of the dnc broke. this comes as we learn that two of the president's former associates will testify against roger stone. cnn crime and justice reporter shimon prokupecz is live outside the federal courthouse in washington. i have to say, i was surprised
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by how much the prosecutors brought up about donald trump. >> yeah, it was very dominant. his name, all over this trial, very early on. in the opening statements even, john, when the prosecutor was describing what roger stone was doing. and then he came out and talked about the motive. why roger stone, prosecutors believe, why he was lying to members of congress. and they said it was all to protect the trump campaign. but then they also said it was to protect donald trump. so certainly donald trump playing big at this trial. and this is really what this is becoming about. and then prosecutors put on their first witness. and then we heard more about donald trump when prosecutors had the fbi agent describe how -- while roger stone is working with an intermediary, while roger stone is trying to find out what wikileaks has, what information they've
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obtained, it would appear, according to prosecutors, that he was in constant contact with then-candidate donald trump calling him on several occasions, over several minutes. as you said on the day it was reported that the dnc had been hacked. but there are even more phone calls where roger stone is trying to get to an intermediary, to get to julian assange, of wikileaks. there are phone calls between roger stone and donald trump during that moment as well. as well as other people inside the campaign. of course, paul manafort, rick gates who is cooperating. he was the deputy campaign chairman. he is going to be testifying here. as well as another big witness, steve bannon. he's going to take the stand here. and he's going to talk about how roger stone was reaching out to him telling him how they can win the campaign, but it isn't going to be pretty. and then, of course, steve bannon said let's talk.
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so all of that in the first day. a lot more to happen here this morning and later today. alisyn? >> shimon, this promises to be a fascinating day. please keep us posted on all of the developments there. now to this. two former twitter employees accused of being spies for saudi arabia. prosecutors say they used their access at the social media giant to collect sensitive and private information on saudi dissidents. cnn's senior justice correspondent evan perez is live in washington with details. tell us more. >> there's been a concern certainly by the fbi and the justice department that the saudi government was using people here inside this country to try to spy on saudi dissidents. of course, we saw that concern increase after the murder of saudi dissident journalist jamal khashog khashoggi. these two former twitter employees are accused of essentially using their access
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to sensitive data inside the twitter system to be able to pass on this information so that these saudi dissidents could be targeted by the government. these two are both accused of being agents of the -- of a foreign power, along with a third man who allegedly was acting as a go-between for the saudi government, passing along payments, including luxury watches in order to pay for what these men were doing. one of these men is still in this country. he's already appeared in court in seattle. the other two are back in saudi, are believed to be back in saudi arabia. that's the reason they're not yet in the hands of u.s. authorities. but again, this goes to show what the federal government here says is a wider campaign by the saudis to try to use twitter to not only mount a disinformation campaign with fake accounts, but also to essentially use access inside the company to access the information of dissidents.
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john? alisyn? >> it's always interesting. foreign actors know the intelligence value of social media here. all right, evan, thank you. trying to exploit it as well. if you want to know what your candidate thinks, start with their ads which are already numerous, expensive and, above all else, telling. john avlon here with our "reality check." >> follow the money. america is headed for the biggest, ugliest and most expensive election ever. less than 90 days out from the iowa caucuses, we've already seen more than $100 million spent on political ads on the way to an estimated $6 billion by the end of the political cycle. with 2019 state elections just 48 hours in the rear-view mirror, let's look at what works. what doesn't. what's got folks talking. kentucky's governors race can be seen as a national bellwether with the last four predicting which party would go on to win the presidency. this year the democrat narrowly came out ahead, despite republican governor matt bevin
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tying himself to donald trump. >> president trump is taking america to new heights. but it hasn't been easy. people are afraid of change. but i'm not. neither is the president. >> now ugly outside ads are a feature of u.s. politics, too. and this one may be a sign of coming attractions. it falsely claimed bevin's opponent wanted transgender girls to compete against girls in schools. a blatant scare tactic. but expect more of it. democrat beshear didn't shy away from trump either. he ran this ad featuring a couple of trump guys from kentucky who are going to vote democrat this time around. for his part, donald trump has been dominating the political ad space with big dollar buys like this tv pitch during game seven of the world series aimed at swing voters. but at least one claim didn't even make it across the plate. >> cutting illegal immigration in half. >> not even close. as our daniel dale pointed out, this is misleading math at best. trump can't say he cut illegal
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immigration in half compared to obama because it's not true but he did cut it after a spike on his watch. if you wonder whether ads can have a real-world impact, look at bill steyer. he's been running ads calling for trump's impeachment for two years and bought his way on to the debate stage. at one point he even outspent donald trump. but trump's focus has been on online ads like this official looking poll asking his supporters hard-hitting questions like, do you agree that president trump has done nothing wrong? of course, the internet is loaded with shady practices and twitter and facebook have been catching flack for their opposite approaches to political ads this cycle. twitter banning them whether they're misleading or not while facebook is allowing all political ads whether they're fact or partisan fiction. both approaches equally dised by elizabeth warren. she blasted twitter and then posted an intentionally false ad on facebook just to see if it would go through. it did. but let's get down to brass
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tacks. you want to find the truth in politics, you follow the money. president trump has spent more than $26 million on facebook and google ads so far. more than the top four dems so far. also more than the top three earning democrats. he has more ads and more microtargeted variations. democrats deciding to stick to kitchle table pocketbook issues. opposition to trump may boost turnout, but democrats are going to need to propose and not just oppose to win over swing voters in swing states to win back the white house. and that's your "reality check." >> it's so good, john, to shine a light on these ads. as we've discussed, so many people don't know exactly what information they're getting if it's factual, if it's not, and they're very persuasive where they can be. >> so many times candidates will say and do things in ads they won't say and do in public. pay attention to both. >> then the outside groups. this is the wild west and it's just beginning. >> thank you, john.
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thank you to our international view irs. for you, cnn newsroom" is next. for our u.s. viewers, this new report on president trump asking the attorney general to help change the public perception of the whole ukraine scandal. "new day" continues right now. we will begin our open hearings in the impeachment inquiry next week. >> white house officials appear the most concerned about bill taylor who told lawmakers there was an explicit quid pro quo. >> i'm not going to read these transcripts. the whole process is a joke. >> his testimony will confirm the underlying narrative which is that the president betrayed his oath of office. >> the immediate aftermath of a transcript being released, do you want the attorney general to have a public appearance? >> it is a measure that he sees of the gathering storm clouds on the horizon. >> this is "new day" with alisyn camerota and john berman. >> and good morning. welcome to your "new day." thursday, november 7th, 8:00 in the east.
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for the first time in the impeachment inquiry, a member of the vice president's inner circle will reportedly answer questions. a source tells cnn that jennifer williams who is mike pence's senior adviser will testify this morning, if she's subpoenaed. williams was on that july 25th call between president trump and the ukraine's new leader. cnn is told that she was concerned by what she heard between those two presidents. a big question remains, will former national security adviser john bolton appear today as scheduled? now next week, the country will hear from witnesses publicly, televised impeachment hearings will begin next week with ambassador william taylor, the top diplomat in the ukraine. he'll be the first to testify. >> why is taylor first? a transcript of his private testimony connects the dots on the house democrats' case of president trump's alleged abuse of power for political gain. taylor said he had a clear understanding that the military aid was tied to ukraine publicly announ


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