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multi-billionaire businessman and former new york city mayor michael bloomberg has opened the door to a 2020 run for president. bloomberg is expected to file the necessary paperwork to get on the democratic primary ballot in alabama today. that's because the deadline is today. so what moved him to reconsider after declining to jump in months ago? aides say he is skeptical j b biden could win the nomination. and he does not see the liberal leaders strong enough to beat president trump in the general election. so what are his chances? what will michael bloomberg's chances be to win the democratic primary and the general election? >> we'll talk about that coming up in the show, but we also have major developments in the impeachment inquiry as investigators plan to hold televised hearings next week. the next schedule acting white house chief of staff mick mulvaney is not expected to appear despite a subpoena. also a lawyer for the whistle-blower sending a cease
and desist letter to the white house demanding that president trump stop attacking his client. and the times reports in december when crucial aid was being held up. zelensky was preparing to bow to the demands and announce an investigation into biden with fareed zakaria. >> let's bring in maggie haberman. she's "the new york times" white house correspondent and david gregory. maggie, i want to start with you. before you covered the white house, you were a decorated political reporter. and you covered bloomberg here in new york city. what do you see going on here? this seems to be in direct response to what bloomberg sees as the strength of joe biden's candidacy. >> yeah. you think you described it correctly on what it is that he's thinking. we know that mike bloomberg has wanted to run for president for a long time. the only other person with nearly as many floats for the presidency without doing it was
donald trump before donald trump ran for president. i think he is concerned about biden's difficulties. he's clearly concerned about warren. he's been a critic of warren's approach toward the wealthy for a long time. he does have a story to tell about being the new york mayor and he does have a story to tell on two issues that will matter in this primary gun control and climate change. but as you noted, i covered for a long time. i remain something of a skeptic that this is going to go as we think. we already have a rich person tom steyer in the race. and that is not the only way to win is flooding the air with television ads which is what i anticipate he'll do just based on his past. doesn't necessarily move voters to your side. and mike bloomberg as a candidate has always had difficulty, shall we say, connecting with voters. now, he was able to compensate for that. in '05 and '09 in his mayoral candidacies. in '01, he was on his way to a loss before the september 11th,
201, terrorist attacks. so, look. there's a lot that could happen. mike bloomberg was not supposed to win in 2001. donald trump was not supposed to win the presidency. never say never. we all know that. but i think he has a lot of hurdles and i think this is going to get ugly very quickly. >> and mike bloomberg is also another white s-- i want to brig up a fox poll of late entrants into the democratic race. because if he's concerned that joe biden isn't popular enough, i'm wondering how he responds to this. if entering the race, would you vote for them. this is among democratic voters. definitely vote for mike bloomberg, only 6%. never vote for him, 32%. how does he answer to that? >> well, he tries to turn it around. by exposure and by trying to build on timing. i think the timing here matters.
it's perhaps what makes this the most attractive aspect of his potential candidacy. which is he can be a pragmatic alternative to donald trump. one data point. think about it again. this would be in a general election race. suburban voters, white collar voters who are republican but don't like trump, where are they going to go? are they going to go to an elizabeth warren? probably not. they could go to a mike bloomberg. i'm sure he's looking at that data saying that's where i have a path forward. in the primaries, again, climate change, guns. issues where he's going to have some bona fides with the left. but saying to democrats, look. we have to keep the focus on what's wrong -- which is what a lot of democrats are worry ied about. so i think that's what it's
about. i think it's an interesting idea for bloomberg to get in. i think there's room. he's wanted to do this for a long time. >> there's no great love more michael bloomberg among voters in new york. of course they make up a huge voting block in the democratic primary. and also a huge block of joe biden supporters. i just don't know yet. i don't know how that will break down. >> i'm with you for that reason among others. >> can i just put up because i think you'll find this interesting given whom you've covered and how, this is the net worth of michael bloomberg versus another billionaire president donald trump. bloomberg worth roughly $52 billion. must be nice. and the president of the united states a meager $3.1 billion. >> ultimately relatable, but there's a difference. >> what does donald trump think of this picture? >> a couple things. they've known each other in new york for a long time. they were never friends traveling in the same circles. but they did know each other.
this is where i think bloomberg will get under trump's skin. bloomberg is all of the things that he's tried to make himself in the telling of his own story which is self-made. a billionaire worth many, many billions. and jeff bezos has a ton of money in comparison to donald trump. so i think that that is going to be something that is going to needle him. i think just looking at that graphic, what will likely be a lot in the next couple of months. it's going to bother him. the question is always going to be how does he react to it? i don't think that republicans think it's a terrible thing for mike bloomberg to be entering the race. i'm not sure how donald trump will see it. >> let me ask you about what some republicans are saying that should be the other option for mike bloomberg instead of just running. olivia nutsy asked and he was told bloomberg should put $100
million into a michael bennett or amy klobuchar superpac. >> i mean, okay. sure. i'm sure that they'll listen to that advice. i mean, i think that mike bloomberg has wanted to run for president certainly as long as i've covered him. in the book he wrote about his own life shortly before he got into the mayor's race in 2001, he listed the remaini ining job would want. one was president of the world bank and the other was president of the united states. i don't think he's eager to float a klobuchar superpac. bloomberg has never lacked for confidence. i think you're going to see that going forward. what i also think you're going to see is all of the things that donald trump says that have, you know, fallen in the category of things that rich candidates say, people who are not quite as in touch with people who don't have money. mike bloomberg is very prone to those and always was. so we'll see. >> but i do think it's worth pointing out the biggest part of the picture here is that this is
a -- mike bloomberg has looked at running many, many times. and this is not a shot in the dark. he has pulled out before. he has decided not to run because he's concluded that he cannot win. here he sees an opportunity to be a more centrist democrat. this is what is the big power play on the left right now. which is what is the future of the democratic party? and there's a real split about that? and he represents that split and sees weakness in this lane, this more moderate lane. >> he's always seen weakness in that lane. i think he sees this as his last chance to run for president. i'm not sure it's because he really does see there's a clear path there. i hear everything you're saying, but i remine skeptical this is the moment where the waters are. >> we're a few days away from the public impeachment hearings begin, and i want to touch on something "the washington post" is reporting. george kent yesterday talked about why he thinks it's wrong, what he saw going on at the state department and with the efforts to lean on ukraine to investigate the bidens.
"the washington post" is now reporting that one new possible defense from republican allies of the president will be, you know what? it wasn't the president who did all the wrong stuff. it was rudy giuliani, ambassador sondland, and also mick mulvaney, right? here's the quote from that. as republicans argue most of the testimony is based on faulty second hand information, they're so in doubt about what they were actually representing the president or freelancing to pursue their own agendas. the gop's offering up the three to be fall guys. >> right. >> you think that'll be effective? >> i think it could be, honestly. i think it worked for donald trump during the mueller probe to basically say that was all these people. it wasn't tied to me. you don't have anything directly tied to me. the difficulty with that is there's a transcript of a phone call between president trump and president zelensky. so it's harder to move it away from him. that's the big picture here. but i do think if republicans can confuse people and muddy this up enough, that's the best
bet. i'm not sure how many people, voters are tuning into this the way we are. >> all three of these men all have tied this back to the president working on his behalf as well. if i could just lastly david get your response to the latest excerpts out of this anonymous book that's going to be released in just a couple of weeks. just one example because we can't get enough of quoting from this book. it's like showing up at the nursing home at daybreak to find your elderly uncle running pantsless across the courtyard and cursing loudly about the cafeteria food as worried attendants try to catch him. you're stunned, amused, and embarrassed at the same time. only your uncle probably wouldn't do it every single day and his words aren't broadcast to the public. >> there's a lot of quotes like this that draw a lot of attention. because we don't know who this senior official is, i think it loses some of its punch. you know, it's shaping up to be a damning portrait for sure.
we have the real thing with names attached in this impeachment inquiry about behavior that is alarming to large sections of the government. i think it's going to feel familiar in its reaction. and just one other point about trump, i think the difficulty of casting blame on others is how central trump is to the entire operation of the governmnt. the idea that he's got demand. that he is the center point makes it harder to force blame off onto other people. we know the outcome when the investigation starts. >> and we also have george kent testifies that potus wanted nothing less than zelensky to go to the microphone saying investigations, biden, clinton. david, maggie, great to see you. >> thanks. big revelations in the roger stone trial. it's his long-time friend
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tampered with witnesses. joining me now is cnn legal analyst elie honig. great to see you. wow. a lot to talk about here. a lot of drama in this courtroom. i guess we shouldn't expect any less given we're talking about roger stone here. let's get right to these text messages at the heart of this controversy. over a series of text messages, asking him to cover stone's alleged percentage. stone responded what the "f" blank is your problem. matter of us have done anything wrong or illegal. cedico then wrote, you opened yourself up to the six counts of perjury. what does that tell you? >> this is a string of lying liars lying to one another. and it's hard to even know what's truth and reality as between roger stone and randy credico. the bottom line charges against
roger stone are fairly straightforward and fairly benign. for example, roger stone lied to congress about they asked him whether he had any emails or texts or any other communication about julian assange. he said no. he has dozens. he was asked whether he communicated with randy credico electronically by email or text about assange. he had communicated with credico that very day. so roger stone in the end here is charged with fairly straightforward lies to congress. >> so he lied to congress to protect the president is the point that you're making. >> yes. >> let's also atalk about the accusation of the witness tampering. what does that mean for him? >> that's real trouble. a lot of the trouble he's facing is the efforts to get randy credico to change his story. if you look at the texts between the two of them, he's threatening to kill him. the threatens to kill the guy's dog. don't do that. >> he brought the dog with him
to the courtroom. >> yeah. >> the dog survived. >> that's a compelling visual for the jury. but ultimately donald trump is taking on a lot of what we call collateral damage here. what we've learned for sure through the indictment and we'll flesh out through this trial is "a," people in the trump campaign asked stone to connect with wikileaks. "b," the reason -- the prosecutors said the reason roger stone lied to congress was to protect donald trump and his campaign. and "c," it's really sounding the same general theme as we're seeing in the ukraine impeachment inquiry which is donald trump and the people around him were eager, willing, and encouraged foreign countries to come in and interfere with our elections. what we're seeing in the roger stone trial is really reinforcing what we're seeing in the ukraine inquiry. >> talk about some of these cooperating witnesses in particular gates and bannon. >> rick gates is a classic cooperating witness and a good one. he came in early, admitted what he did.
he's already testified at the trial. in a conviction. so he's a standard i think fairly reliable cooperating witness. bannon is a wild card. i would think twice and a third time and fourth time if i was a prosecutor about putting bannon on the stand. what it tells me is the prosecutors must be confident they have hard evidence, documents backing up whatevr bannon is going to say. otherwise the guy's a time bomb. >> can you imagine i had to look down to remember bannon's name. that was such a blast from the past. that's so 2018. this does spell like potential trouble for the president, correct? >> yeah. this is bad news for donald trump. we know he's not going to get charged criminalally based on mueller's conclusion based on the doj policy. based on having bill barr at the department of justice. but there's a lot of bad news for the president here. ultimately he's not going to be able to hide from the fact that senior people in his campaign and potentially the president himself asked roger stone, try to get whatever information you can from wikileaks.
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mulvaney subpoenaed to testify. he's not coming. adding to the list of white house officials who have defied these subpoenas. joining the now is ro khanna. congressman, thanks so much for being with us. mick mulvaney, i don't anticipate you believe he was going to sho up, but what did you want to hear from him? >> we wanted to hear whether he made the decision to withhold the aid or did the president order him to withhold the aid? the reality is that republicans are trying to pin this on mulvaney arguing that the president may not have been involved. i don't believe that, but mulvaney can clarify the president's role. >> so that is a new republican strategy according to "the washington post." yet a new one after lindsey graham suggested the president wasn't smart enough to do a quid pro quo. others suggesting he did it buzz it's not a bad thing. now a new strategy might be that even if there was a shakedown of the ukrainian government to investigate the bidens, it was
mick mulvaney, rudy giuliani, and ambassador sondland. why is that or is that not an effective argument? >> it just seems hard to believe. the person who was going to benefit was donald trump. he was concerned that joe biden was the leading candidate at the time against him. and it defies plausibility that all these people around him would try to sabotage joe biden when the person benefitting was donald trump. >> have you seen or heard direct evidence in this testimony that president trump ordered the holdup of military aid in ukraine until there was a public pronouncement to investigate the bidens? >> well, based on the public reporting, there are a number of people including ambassador taylor that the president put pressure on president zelensky to order a public investigation into joe biden and there were
suggestions he would not take a meeting with zelensky unless zelensky did that. and that zelensky wouldn't get the aid unless he did that. i hope that will become clear during the public testimony. >> as far as you have heard, i'm not hearing you say the president ordered the holdup of the aid. >> well, john, as you know, i can't talk about what happened in -- behind closed doors. but that narrative is going to emerge. >> unwith of the i think thes we've heard over the last day is democrats hope to wrap up maybe all the impeachment hearings by christmas. do you think that timeline is reasonable? >> i do. i think the evidence is overwhelming. we need a few key witnesses. i think the american people will understand how blatant this effort was. and we should wrap this up before the end of the year. >> which witnesses? is less more in terms of what we hear in public over the next couple weeks? >> i do. i think ambassador taylor will be key. the facts here are simple.
we need someone to establish that the president pressured zelensky to announce a public investigation into biden. we need someone to establish that the president directed he wouldn't take a meeting or wouldn't give aid. and i think those facts are all that really need to be established and a few key witnesses can do that. >> and do you anticipate that obstruction will be among the articles of impeachment that you vote on? >> i do. there has been an effort of a cover-up in this white house both in terms of not letting people go through the process of notifying the national security lawyers, not notifying congress. but i don't think that's the central issue. the central issue is why do you have a president of the united states compromising our national security? >> you i notice are in manchester, new hampshire. and i can only imagine perhaps that's the campaign for bernie sanders who you have endorsed for president of the united states. there is a new entry, it seems, or about to be into the presidential campaign.
and that's former new york city mayor michael bloomberg. senator sanders said of that, the billionaire class is scared and they should be scared. what's your reaction to what seems to be probably entry of michael bloomberg? >> well, john, do you think the country really wants another new york billionaire after donald trump? usually we elect the opposite. and so i just don't think this is the time where his vision or his ideas are going to resonate. >> do you support the causes that michael bloomberg has put an enormous amount of money behind? he put a lot of money into virginia to elect candidates who would fight gun violence. he put an enormous amount of money supporting efforts to support climate change. >> sure. there are places that i think he has made valuable contributions on climate change on gun violence. but there are a lot of other areas where i am concerned his comments on the me too movement, his comments about stop and frisk in the policies had there. i don't think he has progressive economic ideas.
and frankly, i just don't think this country needs another billionaire running for political office. i think there are plenty of people from working class backgrounds or other backgrounds that should be leading. >> what is the level of concern that an impeachment trial in the senate if you pass articles in the house and vote to impeach the president that an impeachment trial would take the senators running for president off the campaign trail? >> they have a constitutional duty to do their jobs. and i don't think that should weigh into our decision. i mean, obviously it would be a disruption, but ultimately we all have sworn an oath to the constitution and we have to put that as the highest priority. >> congressman ro khanna, thanks for being with us. >> quite ambitious saying this could be over the end of the year. >> that's what they want. but that does put the senators in a bind who want to run for president and will have to sit in an impeachment trial. >> takes them away from the
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margin of error. and joe biden here at 15 fr%. i think this is important that mike bloomberg see these two liberal candidates at the top tier and he's wondering whether or not joe biden can really sort of hold onto this more center lane. and we can see the numbers in iowa, how basically over the past year we've seen biden's numbers drop in half from 32% in december then 27% in march, 23% june, 20% september, and now 17%. >> people say this is all about beating donald trump. he desperately wants to beat the president. >> right. i think this is rather important. he is with the democratic voters on this. what's more important for the democrat nominee? 54% in a recent cnn poll said beating donald trump versus just 39% share your positions on the issues. and so he's thinking to himself, okay. look at these polls that i'm seeing right now. normally we've been paying attention to these national polls which show all the top democrats beating donald trump. but look at those six closest
states that trump won in 2016. we saw this earlier this week. in those swing states, arizona, florida, michigan, pennsylvania, wisconsin. biden was up by only a point in those states. sanders and warren were down. but a tight race. blom berg is like i've got to beat trump. >> i'm not so sure he could there. >> bloomberg seems to be in the school of thought that democrats aren't satisfied with the candidates we're seeing in the field right now. but your numbers suggest that may not be the case. >> this is perhaps the fundamental flaw with the bloomberg idea, right? which is that democratic voters -- this is one of the polls that shows the lowest number satisfied and it's still 69%. 69% of voters say they're satisfied with the choices. 28% wish there were other options. the idea he's going to come in and save the day, democratic voters are like, no, actually, we're pretty good. thank you. >> this is a low percentage of satisfaction. we have some polling that shows what people have thought about
the idea of bloomberg running. >> right. and so this is back from march before he said i wasn't going to run. this is a national poll at mo h monmouth university. bloomberg was polling at 2%. 2% not very high. the idea he's going to come in and magically pick up all this support, let's just say i'm a little skeptical. >> coming in this late, where does his favorability lie? >> in the state of iowa which we started off with where you saw that basically you had all those candidates bunched up back in march in our des moines register poll. he only had a 27% favorable rating. unfavorable was higher at 38%. >> i don't know if you know this about me, but i've been telling everyone here and they're not impressed. i covered the wes clark campaign in 2004. he was a late entry. >> so was fred thompson in 2008. the record of late entrants not good. wes clark lost all but one
state. >> oklahoma. >> very good. fred thompson lost all the states. very difficult getting in late. >> that oklahoma live shot was incredible. i remember like it was yesterday. >> we don't have time to get into it. it's not clear to me the bloomberg constituency is the joe biden constituency. >> it's not. non-college voters who are white. and black voters. not really the bloomberg constituency. >> thank you very much. as if there isn't enough talk about billionaires this morning, another businessman tom steyer will be making his case in a town hall from iowa sunday night 7:00 eastern. a michigan conservation officer has made saving lives part of the job. cnn's ryan young tells us how he goes beyond the call of duty. >> reporter: michigan conservation officer jeff guinn patrols busy fishing waters in western michigan keeping hunters and fishermen safe while enforcing the laws of the
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pointing out why this is a huge, huge deal. >> yeah. i mean, it's very hard, john, and we do this every day. and i think we remind ourselves every day, don't normalize this behavior. this is abnormal behavior. but sometimes i think things like this are bigger deals than we even almost can make people realize. here's why. what donald trump did for decades, 1987 is when the trump foundation was formed. he used it as a slush fund. this feels to me like even worse than that which is he holds a fund raiser for the trump foundation to raise money for veterans. he says he raised $6 million. he winds up raising $2.8 million. it is now clear that that fund raiser was organized by his political people, was run by them and the money supposedly raised for veterans.
went to veterans groups. we're not sure where the rest of it went. my guess, strong very educated guess is that it went to his own political purposes. so the president of the united states who says he's the biggest champion of veterans ever in the world said he held a fund-raiser to raise money for veterans causes and at least kept some of that money for his own political purposes. >> so, chris, can we read the president's response to this? >> yeah, sure. >> he said, i am the only person i know, perhaps the only person in history who can give major money to charity, $19 million, charge no expense and be attacked by the political hacks in new york state. no wonder why we are leaving for florida. every penny of the $19 million raised by the trump foundation went to hundreds of great charitable causes with almost no expenses. the new york attorney general is deliberately mischaracterizing this settlement for political purposes. >> here's the problem with that. well, two problems. one, the trump foundation, its lawyers agreed to shut it down
at the end of last year as a part of this deal, this civil case. that's point one. point two, the trump lawyers agreed to allow this judge to decide the proper compensation to make some restitution for the fact that the money did not make it all to veterans. that's why we got this $2 million ruling on thursday. so the issue here is not an out-of-control judge. trump's lawyers agreed to these things. i'll remind people in june 2018, donald trump famously said, i will never settle this case. guess what happened on thursday, they settled the case. >> you don't settle a case unless you feel like you have to. >> kroeccorrect. >> another big moment. president trump's son went on "the view" to promote his new book and it went just about how you might expect it to. this is an exchange between donald trump jr. and meghan mccain. watch. >> you and your family have hurt a lot of people and put a lot of people through a lot of pain,
including the khan family who was a gold star family that should be respected for the loss of their son. does all of this make you feel good? >> i don't think any of that makes me feel good, but i think we got into this because we wanted to do what's right for america. my father has been working tirelessly to bring back the american dream who have watched politicians with no business experience send that american dream abroad to countries that hate our guts. he's brought jobs back. he's created unprecedented levels of unemployment numbers for african-americans, for hispanic americans. you can argue -- these are the facts. >> no, it's not -- >> he didn't actually deny the assertion that meghan mccain made. that was interesting. and at the end of the clip you heard much more about what the rest of the show was like with a lot of crosstalk and a lot of chaos. >> i think donald trump jr. is more strategic than his father in that he is trying to be the next trump to run for president.
i mean, i know people think that's crazy. but don junior has talked about his interest in being president, and donald trump has absolutely empire-building tendencies. if you think the choice will be between handing off his legacy to mike pence or to his son, look back at everything he has done in his life. what's the only thing that he's ever been loyal to other than himself? his family. so i think don junior is positioning himself, whether it's in politics or just more broadly in the cult uure, as th heir to his father's legacy which means being a giant troll. and that is what he does. online, on tv. and i don't know him, but my guess is offline as well. that's who he is. this is, i think, a calculated personality designed to appeal to those people drawn to his dad. >> and they really are drawn to him as well. if you go to his rallies and watch his rallies. when he comes out and speaks on his father's behalf, people come to watch him just as much as to follow his father as well. >> all right, chris. always brilliant analysis.
>> thank you all. have a good day. >> bye. orangutans are being tlented at one of the largest rain forests in indonesia as it borns. the fires in borneo are a largely manmade fire to grow a cash crop. it puts one of the world's endangered animals at risk. ivan watson has more. >> reporter: a grinding battle deep in the jungle. firefighters on the indonesian island of borneo struggle to control a forest fire that threatens a national park. >> this is just brutal, brutal work they're doing here. >> reporter: toxic smoke in the tropical heat. >> almost two weeks already in here. stay in here. sleep in here. >> reporter: the rain forests in indonesia are burning. firefighters have been battling this blaze for weeks. and at its peak this summer, there were thousands of similar
fires in other parts of the country. the fighting on the ground and in the air. these are aerial firefighters. and right now, we're on a water bombing mission. helicopters dump giant buckets full of water on the flames. firefighters say this crisis was ignited by man. >> from the fire coming, i think, from human, yeah. >> you think humans started this? >> yes, of course. >> reporter: an unusually dry summer fueled this inferno. visible from space. the haze engulfed cities in neighboring countries like singapore and malaysia. while in indonesia, the smog closed airports and schools. creating apocalyptic skies. >> reporter: this doctor saw panicked civilians flood his hospital. indonesian authorities estimate about a million people suffered respiratory problems. >> the air that we have, that is
not toxic like this because not everyone can enjoy a fresh air. >> the forest fires also threatening one of asia's last great rain forests. home to orangutans. symbols of an entire ecosystem under threat. >> this is poppy, and she's a 1-year-old example of one of the world's most endangered species. right now she's attending a class in jungle school. activists from the center for orangutan protection take orphaned animals and teach them how to survive. and hopefully one day return them to the wild. as borneo's rain forests shrink, the orangutan population has plummeted. >> the threat is deforestation maybe because of illegal logging or like conversion of the forest to make building or something by human and also for the forest burning.
>> reporter: these activists also rescue and relocate orangutans stranded by mass deforestation. the clash between man and nature on display. when an ape confronts the heavy machinery ripping down its home. and this is what's replacing much of borneo's jungle. sprawling plantations of palm trees. indonesia's most lucrative cash crop. fruit like this makes a vegetable oil used in over half of all household products sold in your neighborhood grocery store. as palm oil exports ballooned over the last 20 years, so did the indonesian territory used to grow palms. it's now bigger than entire countries, like england or greece. >> it's now way out of our control in indonesia. >> reporter: even this industry insider is calling for stricter government regulation of the palm oil industry. >> if we just do it halfway, we
should always expect this forest fire in the future. >> reporter: but this cash crop has also lifted millions of indonesians out of poverty. people like this farmer. before i grew palms, i couldn't even afford to feed my children chicken, he tells me. farming palm, i've been able to buy a tv and a refrigerator. the cheapest way to clear land for farming is to burn it. the government says it's trying to crack down on these manmade fires. >> for us, the forest fire is a serious crime. >> reporter: officials show me how they use thermal satellite imagery to detect fires to then prosecute palm oil companies. they say they've opened cases against 21 companies in the last four years. but some activists fear it's too little, too late. >> please, put out the fires. >> reporter: ramadani is trying
to reintroduce a rescued orangutan to the wild. but the island halfway house where she now lives is in the shadow of a growing coal mine. yet another industry, yet another threat. michelle's protectors fear that in 20 years' time, there may be no forests left for these incredible animals. ivan watson, cnn, indonesian borneo. >> wow. >> what amazing creatures they are. >> you see the impact they have on people who live there and work with them. >> our thanks to ivan. thank you to our international viewers. for you "cnn newsroom" with max foster is next. for our u.s. viewers, this new huge entry late in the game to the democratic race for president. "new day" continues right now. bloomberg sees an opening. he wants to be president so he takes it. >> i admire michael's work a great deal. but, to me, the focus has to be
on solving the problems that got donald trump elected. >> i think bloomberg has wanted to do this all along. >> rudy giuliani's influence is coming into focus with the release of deputy assistant secretary of state george kent's testimony transcript. >> giuliani is all over the place and is himself in legal jeopardy. >> the democrats have a lot of information already. and it would be great to have mick mulvaney. he's been in the middle of this. he was putting a freeze on aid to ukraine. >> this is "new day" with alisyn camerota and john berman. >> good morning and welcome to your "new day." friday, november 8th. 8:00 in the east. alisyn is away. bianna golodryga joins me. >> great to be with you. >> michael bloomberg, the multi, multibillionaire and former new york city mayor is preparing to enter the presidential race now, in november, less than 90 days before iowa votes. bloomberg will file paperwork today to get on the