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to and obstructing congress. all to protect one man, donald trump. that makes six trump folk convicted for pleading guilty to essential lying, convicted or pleading guilty. we still have a long way to go in this impeachment inquiry but some of those closest to the president, rudy giuliani, chief of staff, secretary of state they have haven't offered answers about what they knew a what actually went down. be on the lookout. because if the list of convicted trump associates tells us anything it begins a clear list starting with ambassador sondland next week. if you lie, you'll likely get caught. this president has saved no one to date from that fate. thanks for watching. "cnn tonight" with d. lemon right now. >> be on the lookout for all the best people. >> drain the swamp, and by drain, i mean put the biggest nastiest alligator that even you down the bayou way has ever seen up in this swamp.
>> swamp creatures, critters, crocodiles and everything. boy, what a day tuesday was. what a day, the testimony. i thought she handled herself very, very well. >> yeah, look, again, it makes you proud to be an american that you have people like that working in our government, but then, my man, yoho, says, hey, don, listen, she's born in canada. she's got a ukraine parent, and poroshenko, the former president in ukraine, he liked her. >> oh, man. >> so zelensky thought maybe she's not loyal to him, she's loyal to poroshenko. he thanked the president for telling him those things about her. wait, wait. the ukraine president thanked our president for telling him bad things about our diplomat? that's where we is, brother. that's where we is.
>> who are these people? i sat there and thought -- i don't want to go there. i got a lot to see to. you've got to get your weekend on. >> it's going to get you there. >> i've got to talk about it right now. >> they are not hearing things the same way in these hearings. >> but i think there's a rude awakening coming. i really, really do. the longer this goes on, the more witnesses come out, the more information, i think there's going to be a rude awakening. and i think at some point they're going to have to make a decision between their dignity and the cognitive dissonance their experiencing right now. >> at the very least in the very near future some little baby that's just born if your running for office they will feel they can do just about anything because this will stand as precedent to that if nothing happens at all. >> there's a democrat coming up now or republican, the next one. and if it's a democrat, look out. you reap what you sow. thank you, sir. always a pleasure. oh, have fun sunday night. i'll be watching.
this is "cnn tonight," i'm don lemon. shocking revelations tonight that we need to tell you about. it's about that overheard phone call between the president and gordon sondland. the one that we first heard about in the testimony of the top diplomat bill taylor this week. cnn has a copy of the opening statement from david holmes. okay? we're going to tell you how it all went down. it is full of evidence, evidence that is devastating for this president. so let me set the scene for you. holmes describes a lunch on july 26th, the day after the infamous ukraine call. sondland, holmes, two staffers sitting on an outdoor terrace in kiev and sharing a bottle of wine. sondland calls the president to give him an update. now, this is from page 6 of
holmes' opening statement and i quote here. while ambassador sondland's phone was not on speakerphone, i could hear the president's voice through the earpiece of the phone. the president's voice was very loud and recognizable. and ambassador sondland held the phone away from his ear for a period of time presumably because of the loud volume. okay, that was from page 6. the president's loud recognizable voice easily heard from sondland's phone in the middle of a restaurant terrace. but just listen to what comes next here, okay? he goes onto say, i heard ambassador sondland greet the president and explain he was calling from kiev. i heard president trump then clarify ambassador sondland was in ukraine. ambassador sondland replied, yes, he was in ukraine and went onto state that president zelensky loves your ass, his
words not mine. he goes on, i then heard president trump ask so he's going to do the investigation? ambassador sondland replied that he's going to do it, adding that president zelensky will do anything you ask him to. anything you ask him to. and what the president of the united states was asking the president of ukraine to do was give him the investigations that he so desperately wanted. that's very clear. david holmes testifying to that under oath. but there's more, okay? after the call ended, ambassador sondland remarked that the president was in a bad mood. as ambassador sondland stated was often the case early in the morning. does that sound like someone the president hardly knows? >> let me just tell you, i hardly know the gentleman. >> well, you apparently knew him
well enough to take a call from him and ask him about the investigations you wanted from ukraine. holmes' statement continues on. he says i then took the opportunity to ask sondland for the prefz's views on ukraine. in particular i asked plrd sondland if it was true if the president did not give an "s" or ish about ukraine. well, ambassador sondland agreed that the president did not give a ish about ukraine. i asked why not and ambassador sondland stated the president only cares about big stuff. i noted that was big stuff going on in ukraine like a war a russia. and he replied big stuff that benefits the president like the biden investigation that mr. giuliani was pushing. the conversation then moved onto other topics. that really couldn't be more clear.
the president only cares about big stuff that benefits him. like that biden investigation he wanted. and ambassador sondland had already assured the president that zelensky would do anything you ask him to do. remember holmes says two staffers were there at the table sharing that bottle of wine on the restaurant terrace when that phone call happened. and if the president's voice was loud as holmes says, it seems like they heard all of this, too. holmes also says after that lunch he immediately told the deputy chief of mission and others at the embassy about the call and repeatedly referred to it in meetings. so it sounds like there's a lot of people -- there are a lot of people who know what was said on that phone call. let's not forget ambassador sondland who already amended his closed door testimony when his memory suddenly got better after reading the testimony from bill taylor and top russia advisor
tim morrison. he's set to testify publicly next wednesday under oath, and he's going to have to tell the whole truth including about this call if he doesn't want to end up like roger stone. more on roger stone in a minute. but you heard that mention of rudy giuliani and david holmes' opening statement. well, there's more. this from a meeting prior to the inauguration of president zelensky. when someone asked why rudy giuliani had so much to say to the media about ukraine. and i quote here again, my recollection is that ambassador sondland stated, dammit rudy, every time rudy gets involved he goes and -- can't say that -- he effs everything up. all that coming on the same day as testimony from former ambassador marie yovanovitch.
he was abruptly removed from her post by the president -- president trump in may. the white house claiming he'd be too busy to watch anything more than devin nunes' opening statement, right? but it seems he found time to watch at least a bit of what marie yovanovitch had to say. and she apparently got under his skin because just a little after 10:00 a.m. this came out. the president of the united states tweeted, an attack on the former ambassador while she was testifying on live television talking about being attacked and smeared by this president. this is what chairman adam schiff said about that. >> as we sit here testifying, the president is attacking you on twitter. and i'd like to give you a chance to respond. i'll read part of one of his tweets. everywhere marie yovanovitch went turned bad. she started off in somalia.
how did that go? he goes onto say later in the tweet, it's a u.s. president's absolute right to appoint ambassadors. and now the president in realtime is attacking you. what effect do you think that has on other witness' willingness to come forward and expose wrongdoing? >> well, it's very intimidating. >> intimidating. schiff during a break in the hearing bluntly calling the president's attack witness intimidation. >> what we saw today is witness intimidation in realtime by the president of the united states. once again going after this dedicated and respected career public servant in an effort to not only chill her but to chill others who may come forward. we take this kind of witness intimidation and obstruction of inquiry very seriously.
>> unless you think it was just democrats up in arms, two trump campaign source, one inside the re-election team and the other a surrogate, well they tell cnn, quote, it was idiotic to tweet today about her. the ambassador sure seemed to be getting to this president who refused to back down saying this. >> i have the right to speak. i have freedom of speech. >> lots of bad news for this president today. and like i said, it seems to be getting to him. but it's not just what happened on the hill, okay, in the courtroom. just minutes away long time trump crony roger stone was found guilty on all charges today of lying to and obstructing congress in a case involving wikileaks, stolen democratic e-mails and the trump campaign. stone is going to jail for lying. he's not the only one. michael cohen, lying to a bank. paul manafort, encouraging
witnesses to lie on his behalf. michael flynn, rick gates, shorts papadopoulos, lying to the fbi. all the president's liars, the message for members of the trump administration who have been called to testify like gordon sondland. the only thing to do now is tell the truth. today's statement from state department aide david holmes is the latest bombshell in the impeachment investigation. however, the president's defenders explain the fact that this time the witness himself heard the president, heard him ask about investigations from ukraine. lots to talk about. max boot, laura coats, susan glasser, they're up next. we're related to them? we're portuguese? i thought we were hungarian. can you tell me that story again? behind every question is a story waiting to be discovered. this holiday, start the journey with a dna kit
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sondland, which took place at a restaurant in kiev in july. david holmes telling impeachment investigators the president second degree sondland directly if ukraine's president would give him the investigation he so desperately wanted. the answer was, yes. a lot to discuss now. max booth, laura coats, and susan glasser. good evening one and all. let's see, laura i'm going to start with you. so i've got to get your reaction to this stunning opening statement, from the career diplomat who overheard trump's call with ambassador sondland. he said i heard president trump then clarify that ambassador sondland was in ukraine. ambassador sondland replied, yes, he was in ukraine and went onto state president zelensky loves your ass. i then heard president trump ask so he's going to do the investigation, ambassador sondland replied he's going to do it adding president zelensky will do anything you ask him to
do. so we now have the president's voice in this unfolding investigation. this isn't hearsay. how devastating is it? >> i mean, those very important five words "i heard president trump say" are the five words that eluded the democrats so far in the public hearings, that have eluded the democrats as far as it's been relayed by the republican members who have been responsive to it. the notion you don't have first-hand information, it's all secondhand, down the chain and this notion everyone is freelancing, now you have these five damaging words. and they're damaging presitesly because it shows not only this notion he doesn't know gordon sondland very well, he's taken his call, that's all hogwash, that he's able to have this sort of, we don't have to explain everything in the moment. that thing with the guy, the investigation, the way it's being described, they had prior conversations about this issue.
and the timing of it is right after that call where you heard zelensky say he had mentioned that the president brought up sensitive issues no less than three times. and the conversation he writes then shifts away from a discussion about withholding essentially military aid in an investigation with zelensky. they then shift to talking about the rapper asap rocky who's being held. >> and the kardashians. crazy, crazy. so after that sondland talks to the president, holmes details this. he says i asked ambassador sondland if it was true the president did not give a you know what ish about ukraine. ambassador sondland agreed that the president did not give an "s" about ukraine. and i noted there was big stuff going on in ukraine like a war with russia. and ambassador sondland replied that he meant big stuff that benefits the president like the biden investigation that mr.
giuliani was pushing. all the president seemed to care about as it relates to ukraine were these investigations into the bidens. >> yeah, well that blows away one of the key alibis that the republicans have tried to put together for trump. it also blows away the notion that sondland is somehow freelancing but really blows away the idea that the president cares about corruption in the abstract, that he wasn't just pursuing a politically motivated investigation of joe biden. clearly he was because if you read the very wording of what david holmes overheard, you heard the president asking about not investigations like generic corruption investigations, he was asking about the investigation, and it's pretty clear which investigation he was asking about. it was about joe biden. and by the way, that is further reinforced by the transcript of the april 21 phone call between
trump and zelensky that trump thought would be exculpatory, but note never once in that call did trump ask about corruption. even though his talking points were to talk about corruption, but he couldn't care less. he cares about getting dirt on joe biden. that's what becomes clear from this latest evidence. >> here's more, susan, what holmes thought in the weeks after as they struggled to lift the hold on military aid. he said my clear impression was that the security assistance hold was likely intended by the president either to express dissatisfaction that the ukrainians had not yet agreed to the burisma biden investigations or an effort to increase the pressure on them to do so. he's corroborating what we've heard from other witnesses about the shakedown, isn't he? >> yes. and remember this puts even more pressure on gordon sondland who's going to testify next week. not only because it contradicts his previous testimony that he
really was not discussing the investigation of the bidens at all. he's already revised that once. but remember that gordon sondland supposedly on september 1st in fact said i was wrong before and everything, everything is contingent on the investigations that the president wants being done. and that includes the military assistance and it includes withholding the oval office meeting. gordon sondland is going to come in a televised hearing next week, and he's going to say, yes, i discussed this with the president and yes it was contingent. that would be a really significant moment. we have more to come. ousted ambassador marie yovanovitch responds in realtime t a tweet from president trump. could that lead to a new article of impeachment?
marie yovanovitch the former ambassador to ukraine who was ousted earlier this year by president trump testified today in the impeachment inquiry. telling investigators she was shocked when the president attacked here in the july 25th phone call with ukraine's president. and while she was testifying trump attacked her in a tweet. it was like a made for tv movie. like i couldn't believe it was -- it was like a reality show. max, you yovanovitch, let's dig into her testimony.
33 years of service, her testimony was incredibly compelling. let's watch this and then we'll talk. >> individuals who apparently felt stymied by our efforts to promote stated u.s. policy against corruption, that is to do our mission were able to successfully conduct a campaign of disinformation against a sitting ambassador using unofficial back channels. >> so they said they want to fight corruption. she was fighting corruption. so why was she pulled from the scene if she's fighting corruption in ukraine? >> it's pretty obvious trump wants to weaponize krupgcorrupt he doesn't want to eliminate. and she say trying to eliminate it. ambassador yovanovitch's testimony i think really makes me feel proud to be an american because she's obviously a dedicated, very patriotic silvc servant who has served this country a long time. and the out rage continued even when she was testifying with
donald trump in what can be construed as witness tampering. and what he was saying was deranged and stupid. he was blaming her for the messed up situation in somalia and ukraine like a u.s. diplomat could possibly fix a country that's gone off the rails for decades. so absurd. she's served us honorably, and she got caught up in this conspiracy donald trump was fomenting to pursue his own personal political interests in ukraine at the expense of u.s. policy, which she was pursuing to fight corruption. >> laura, you're watching the hearings all day. you were reporting on it. when you saw the president attack her via twitter while she was testifying and schiff reads it out yovanovitch says, yeah, it's intimidating, could those be articles of impeachment against the president? >> part of the new idea here is not only the call with the ukrainian president, but it's
also about what stepathize president has taken following recognition of an impeachment inquiry. remember back to the clinton impeachment, the substance of some of his articles of impeachment was about perjury, and trying to influence testimony, in that case trying to get someone to lie. but at its heart it's trying to influence for a corrupt purpose their testimony. when you see a president of the united states and watching this woman who has a stellar record of public service and she notes it had the effect of intimidating her, don't you think that's essentially trying to influence her testimony or that future witnesses, a full docket is setup for next week including lieutenant colonel vindman who was somebody very important in the last few weeks of testimony, talking about gordon sondland, somebody testifying tomorrow and a whole host of other people. this was a signal, and he should look for the opportunity really as opposed to perhaps influence testimony, perhaps he should note the head of the executive
branch their job is to ensure you faithfully execute the laws of this country, not to undermine the process. >> let's hear more of her testimony and then we'll discuss. >> i obviously don't dispute that the president has the right to -- to withdraw an ambassador at any time for any reason. but what i do wonder is why it was necessary to smear my reputation. >> i wasn't asking about that but thank you very much, ma'am. >> as you pointed out, president trump smeared a career diplomat in realtime while she was testifying about being smeared. >> you know, don, it was a really i thought powerful presentation by marie yovanovitch because it's hard not to succumb to the cynicism
of what can you do about donald trump? and i think by expressing her amazement and outrage and just disbelief that the president of the united states in the oval office could be captured by a corrupt ukrainian interest that sought to remove an american ambassador, she gave the best statement that i have heard yet crystallizing the impact of this around the world as well as here in the united states that anyone can take the message away that a u.s. ambassador can be dumped essentially if you can find a route into the oval office. this signal that this sends is just extraordinary. and so i thought she was extremely powerful and very clear because she essentially didn't succumb to the, well, so what there aren't the republican votes in the senate to do anything about it. she essentially said, you know, this is nuts and i'm going to testify about it. and we've still got to acknowledge the facts. and i thought, you know, it was just this sort of breath of remember this is sort of crazy,
and it's not acceptable. it may or may not ultimately prove to be impeachable, but this is not acceptable. and i didn't hear any republicans today defending trump's conduct, by the way, in firing her. although i also didn't hear any of them condemning it. >> go ahead, laura. >> one thing that's really bizarre, too, and the point here this witness who was supposed to be kind of tangential witness, here's why she was supposed to be that person, she left service unceremoniously because of the president of the united states, but she left service because of this call that's the very impetus of the impeachment inquiry. prunts pri months prior to that. so with the president attack her strategically you're thinking you've now elevated the credibility of this witness as someone trying to establish foundationally there was a smear campaign, you've added to that.
you've now transformed her testimony from perhaps being a tangential point added by bill taylor to why would you not have pursued the normal course to just say you don't need to be here any longer? why go through everything else? and now she's become front and center because of the self-inflicted wound of the president. >> and she basically says she was thrown to the wolves by the secretary of state mike pompeo. >> it's an extraordinary indictment of mike pompeo. when he took over i and a lot of other people thought he would be an improvement over rex tillerson. while tillerson was incompetent mike pompeo he's malevolent in the way -- i think it will matter greatly to the future of the state department because they've all seen what happened to her. and let's not forget this was not just a scandal involving
donald trump but one of donald trump's enablers and one of those enablers and what he has done is an extraordinary dereliction of duty. >> thank you all. i appreciate it. really do. up next john kasich, he's going to weigh in on what he thought of the days testimony. (employee) enterprise car sales has access to over half a million preowned vehicles, most with tech features like blind spot detection, back up camera... [kristen gasps] (employee) because you never know what might be behind you. (kristen bell) does the sloth come standard? (kristen bell vo) looking to buy? enterprise makes it easy. colon cancer screening for people 50 and older at average risk. i took your advice and asked my doctor to order cologuard, that noninvasive colon cancer screening test. the delivery guy just dropped it off. our doctor says it uses advanced science. it's actually stool dna technology that finds 92 percent of colon cancers. no prep, and private. colon cancer screening that's as easy as get, go, gone.
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breaking news. damning new evidence from a state department aide testifying behind closed doors. david holmes says that he overheard president trump asking ability ukraine launching investigations on a phone call with eu ambassador and million dollar trump donor gordon sondland. holmes testifying the ambassador said the president only cares about big stuff like the biden investigation. john kasich is the former republican governor of ohio and joins me now.
good to see you, john. give me your reaction, please, to this opening statement from david holmes tonight where he says he heard the president on the phone with ambassador sondland asking about the investigations into the bidens. >> you know, what's going to be riveting, don, i think to all of us who are following is what sondland is going to say next week. as we know, he went before the committee in those closed -- in the closed investigation. and then he went back and he changed his story, as you know. he revised his testimony. now the question is what does he do when he goes before the committee? because he's going to be under oath again. and so is he going to confirm this conversation, or is he going to deny it? and that's what we're going to have to watch for. and, you know, it's -- to me it's a big deal, and we'll have to see what sondland has to say for himself. again, i don't think he can go back and revise like he did the last time, and i don't know what
his thinking is. i can't read his mind. but this is obviously something that is very significant because it could potentially tie the president directly to this investigation, which people are saying he was really not directly involved. so last night we talked about first-hand testimony. this sounds a little bit closer to it. >> yeah, i'm just wondering because there's been this whole thing about hearsay, hearsay whereby hearsay. i want to take a step back and look at this first week of public impeachment hearings. trump claims that it is good for him. give me your assessment. >> oh, i don't think this is ever good for any president to be investigated. nobody wants to be investigated. i don't care who you are, you don't want that to have to happen. but, don, the one thing i've noticed here when you think about taylor, the witness william taylor i think was his first name and you think about kent and you think today about yovanovitch, we hear this stuff about a deep state.
and look, there's bureaucrats trying to undo any newly elected official. that happened to me while i was governor, but these people were serving our country with the highest ideals. listen to him. ambassador yovanovitch today was talking about the fact that she wanted the place cleaned up. she was talking about american values. the same thing with taylor. what they were saying we should be proud of these people that they entered the foreign service, not belittling these people in some quote, deep state -- >> so why are they attacking them? >> i think because they're trying to figure out how to discredit them. obviously that's what it is. but any american should look at them and say, wow, these people are out there promoting america, american values, freedom, the rule of law. i mean, i think they have been very sophisticated. by the way, i think today when the ambassador was testifying and the president was tweeting and attacking her, this is
starting to get some attention. this is one of those things people can understand at home. why is he attacking that lady? she's just an ambassador, why is he doing that? those are the kind of sparks that can drive more attention to this thing, in my opinion. that's something the people can get. >> do you think that's going to end up in articles of impeachment for him? >> don, i can't begin to figure that out. that's what the house is going to have to do and the committee's going to have to do. i don't know. but, you know, again the thing that struck me was the professionalism of the witnesses, and of course also this overheard conversation, where that leads. and i am going to be particularly interested in what sondland is going to have to say about all of these matters. >> is there anything that can be said at these hearing that cause republicans to turn on the president? >> i don't think at this point i've seen it. again, i think we are -- we
really should be thinking about those people who are really not watching television, not looking at their screens every day who at some point if this grinds on, and there's things that come out on a first-hand basis that might say, you know, to their spouse, honey, we ought to take a look at this. what is this? has this crossed the line for us? because when we're dealing the partisans, i don't think we're going to get a lot change with the partisans either, democrats or republicans. i think it's going to be people in the middle who are not glued to all this, don. that's my sense. >> john, i want you to take a listen to this moment. it's at the end of today's hearing. >> there is no camouflaging that corrupt intent. we're adjourned. >> speaker on -- mr. chairman, you've disparaged those members on this side of the aisle. we should have a chance to respond to your disparaging remarks.
mr. chairman -- [ applause ] >> what does it say to you there was this kind of applause after a hearing? are you worried republicans are on the wrong side of history here? >> well, first of all, i'm not looking at this as a republican or i don't think of it in those terms. this is serious matter. and you have to examine this kind of presidential behavior and the precedent that it sets. i think people were probably cheering for the woman, the ambassador who was there who did a really good job. and, you know, i watched a little of the -- i think they were cheering for her and saying, hey, you did a great job today. and we can see that you love your country and you love the ukrainians. and that's what i think the cheering was about if i had to guess. >> john kasich, come back to the east coast, will you? come back to the studio. we'd love to have you. >> all right, don. thank you very much. a new member in the all the
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roger stone convicted today on charges stemming from special counsel robert mueller's investigation. after less than two days of deliberation the jury found trump's long time ally guilty of charges and witness tampering, obstructing a congressional investigation, five kounlts cou lying to congress. he's just the latest in a list of associates.
did i misspeak in less than two days or two hours? yes, no? >> two days. >> okay, good. hello one and all. good to see you. shimon, here's roger stone returning home being found guilty on all charges. >> what's your reaction to the verdict? >> no comment. >> will be seeking a pardon from president trump sph. >> no comment. >> no, don't do that. just be polite. no comment. >> he's scheduled to be sentenced this coming february. what message can you send, do you think? >> i think it's a very significant message. i sat there in the courtroom when the prosecutors were making their closing argument, and they explained to the jury really the last words from the prosecutors were probably the most significant talking about how truth matters. because roger stone's attorneys
tried to in the end argue so what, so what he lied to members of grz. this case was really not anything significant, but these prosecutors it was significant. they talked about why truth matters. we have institutions, laws. they mentioned that members of congress, congressional hearings and how important it is to be honest when you go in there. so it has very -- the implications are much bigger. this really is bigger than just roger stone. and i think that's what's so important here. especially given what we're all seeing go on right now with the investigation into -- the continued investigation into the president. >> well, the timing, it was unbelievable. let's put this up. he's the sixth person in trump's orbit, jennifer, convicted of a crime stemming from the mueller investigation. he joins paul manafort, rick gates, michael cohen. what's the significance of this verdict, do you think? >> it's certainly a victory for
the rule of law and facts matter and you can't go into congress and lie. it's also important because this one actually involves the president. there was nothing roger stone was doing with respect to wikileaks that was inherently illegal. it was the lying to cover up for the president and the fact he and members of his campaign knew about this, they were gleeful about this, happy about getting this information from wikileaks. that's what he was hiding and covering up. that's why he's going to prison. >> he's a sort of conduit between the trump campaign and wikileaks, right? >> and he wouldn't admit that because he knew that would hurt the president. >> let's talk about ambassador gordon sondland's testimony next week. how do you expect him to handle this next week given what we've seen already with stone and the back of his mind now. >> i would expect what we saw today and how seriously prosecutors are taking if you
lie to congress, they're going to take it serious and charge you. i bet his lawyers are very concerned. we've already seen additional corrections, information he's come in and provided. and i would expect the if there's anything additional that needs to come forward, he's going to do it before he appears at the hearing or his attorneys will find some way to get it out there beforehand. so i think he should be worried and no doubt that his lawyers are very worried. this is really serious stuff, and i think for him he should realize that and perhaps that's already happened, don. >> i'm wondering how you would advise witnesses if you were advising them for next week and also those ignoring these subpoenas as well. maybe they're not going after them now, but afterwards they could -- >> i'd be less worried about them -- >> if but if you're a witness. >> but the witnesses have to tell the truth, like shimon was saying. gordon sondland unquestionably lied to congress when he came around the first time around.
now information is coming out suggesting there's more he needs to say to be fully forthcoming. i expect that we hear a lot more information from sondland because he's now going to be about saving his own self, right? >> rear end. pardon? >> well, maybe. not until after the election for sure. i expect roger stone is going to push out the sentencing in the prison surrender day as long as possible so he spends as little time as possible. but, yeah, i think he's going to be looking for a pardon. >> thanks for watching, everyone. our live coverage of the impeachment inquiry continues.
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