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the intent to be reborn. over the weekend there were four brothers arrested plotting some kind of alleged bomb attack there. so the turks are moving as hard and fast as they can to deal with this problem. also expelling known isis individuals back to their home countries. quite controversial there. but the solution to this prison and the camp problem, nobody's anywhere close to it. >> such an important report because that region seems to be doing anything but getting more peaceful. meantime, we're entering a crucial point in the impeachment investigation. "new day" continues right now. >> we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. this is "new day." high drama in the impeachment hearings. eight current and former officials are set to testify this week. the most anticipated appearance comes wednesday when gordon sondland is scheduled to appear.
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new le revealed transcripts show he had direct conversations with president trump about efforts to get the ukrainians to investigate joe biden and his family. sondland has already revised his private testimony. new this morning, "the wall street journal" reports there's a trail of emails revealing how sondland kept several key officials in the administration updated about his efforts. >> meanwhile, president trump is lashing out to jennifer williams, an aid to mike pence. she testifies tomorrow about listening to that july 25th phone call between president trump and zelensky in newly revealed testimony she describes their conversation as unusual and inappropriate. it all comes after questions of the president's health. a visit to walter reed that did not follow protocol of a routine examine.
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joining us now, david gregory, kaitlan collins, and bianna golodryga. i find you to be normally unflappable and you seemed shocked by what you were hearing friday morning. that was before roger stone was found guilty. that was before david holmes testified behind closed doors about this phone call. and that was before the defeat of the republican candidate of louisiana whom the president had fwoen to campaign for three times. the point i'm making here is this has been a precarious few days for the president. what do you make of it all? >> i think where we are holding
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for the president. but i think what so disturbed me and shocked me about his reaction to ambassador yovanovitch in real time. let alone what she was testifying about 30-plus years of experience dedication to the country was really shocking. even by trump standards. to go out on a limb to be so critical of those officers who are thinking about america first. and the fact republicans would not come to her aid on that principle alone. again is what i saw as shocking. separate from impeachment. i think a lot of this information undermine's the -- let alone whether he stands up for his people or not. all of these things have an
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impact when voters go to the polls next year. >> so as we said this week, eight that we know of witnesses in public, jennifer williams is interesting tomorrow because she was a top aid from the nfc. they're distancing themselves after the president's attack on her. but all eyes on gordon sondland. it's so interesting because he first behind closed doors tried to say that he didn't know anything about these. the question to him to gordon sondland was, what was your understanding of exactly did people want ukraine to investigate the bidens for? sondland said, i don't know. they say, okay. he says again, i honestly don't know. and i say the bidens but were they referring mostly to hunter biden or don't you know? he said i didn't know who hunter biden was until i read about him
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in the media. that was not true, it turns out. because now we know from the -- from his public testimony from his amended testimony from "the wall street journal" this weekend getting emails, gordon sondland was pivotal. he was talking to president trump more than we knew and he was keeping others rick perry, mick mull va nae apprised of what was happening with this quid pro quo. >> which is why when you heard bill taylor talk about the two channels of communication and foreign policy vis-a-vis ukraine, he was not so alarmed early on that gordon sondland was leading it. because he thought of his close ties to the president it could be productive. you're one again seeing how close those ties were to the president. not only the president's ears but mick mulvaney as well. and rick perry. you have an email chain now and you go back to his closed door testimony where he said on the record he barely communicated with mulvaney.
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that he had seen him a couple of times at the white house. they waved at each other. and that was it. there was no communication regarding ukraine. in fact, we know that there was a lot of communication regarding ukraine. and then go back to his testimony that he didn't know that the bidens were involved in all of this investigation that the president was asking for. now we know from bill taylor's aide in that conversation that was so loud people around heard the president talk specifically about this investigation and then afterwards when the aide asked sondland what does the president think about ukraine, he said all he cares about is this biden investigation. so there's a lot to answer for for him. and i'm sure the president will be just as focused as we all are on wednesday. >> let me read "the wall street journal" reporting. because it was revealing according to "the wall street journal." they have seen emails between gordon sondland and top officials. sondland kept several officials apprised of the push to
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investigate the bidens. according to the emails by the journal and the weeks leading up to the july 25th phone call. the ukrainian counterpart that spurred the whistle-blower campaign. sondland was important because he had the president on speed dial. he could call him from anywhere, any time. what's the white house's view of this guy and his testimony? >> it's interesting who you talk to about him. some of the security officials were annoyed by him because they didn't know why he was involved to this. because he was the ambassador to the european union which ukraine is not in. but his main thing was, the president told me to do this. they saw he was having conversations with people not only like the president but also mick mulvaney and the energy secretary. and so people essentially listened to gordon sondland who typically would have said this is not how this is supposed to work. that's why you can see the direct line of communication. the other thing this is going to raise questions about, remember
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when vice president pence was supposed to go to the zelensky inauguration and though you're not going now. rick perry went instead. but he's insisted the conversations had nothing to do with these conversations. now there are emails saying actually what we talked about, there's a follow-up on that. it's only going to raise more questions for him. >> as you point out for republicans, there haven't been any -- we heard all weekend republicans coming out and saying the talks points we've been hearing either nothing wrong with the call or none of this is impeachable, or we have to hear from the whistle-blower. none of this counts unless we hear from the whistle-blower. all that stuff. they seem to be still pretty tightly bound together. but then what happened in louisiana with john edwards. it's that if a place that the president went and campaigned,
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if that candidate doesn't one, that might get republicans' attention. they think at the moment that he is politically infallible. >> yeah. i think it shows more vulnerability and especially when the president is putting his name and his credibility on the line as he's done now a couple of times in this election season. having done it in kentucky and now louisiana. and it's not working. i'm not sure that's translating yet to republicans who were on the hill who recognize that in their view, there's still a lot to be gained politically from seeking the president's vindication through the impeachment process, whatever the other political fallout is. and i think that's why they're still very tightly focused on the idea of, well, the aid still went through. there was no such investigation even though the president was pushing for it. and the president of ukraine who was certainly tightly bound and dependent on the american
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president said that there was no pressure. so it's hard to put much stock in that. i think sondland is important because the direct tie to the president, unlike other members of the diplomatic core who aren't decision makers and aren't that close to power, in this case sondland actually was. the difference is it's unclear to me how much of a cooperative witness he will actually be. he has some damning information that he's reluctantly sharing. but we'll see how republicans try to use him as well to their benefit. >> this is going to have long lasting ramifications. gordon sondland is an ambassador to the eu. he is on an island on his own. no one wants to reach out to him because they believe he's toxic. many eu ambassadors believe the same. and the same goes with ukraine. ukraine seems to be a topic nobody wants to discuss and we haven't seen a meeting between the president of the united states and president zelensky. so it's a lose/lose situation across the board.
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>> gordon sondland needs to listen to this lawyer on top of everyone else right now. his lawyer is the only person he should be listening to. because telling the truth is going to matter here. >> all right. it's going to be a fascinating week. thank you for the analysis. this week investigators expect to hear from one witness who talked to president trump directly about ukraine. how is this affecting the defense? we'll discuss that next. wow! that's ensure max protein, with high protein and 1 gram sugar. it's a sit-up, banana! bend at the waist! i'm tryin'! keep it up. you'll get there. whoa-hoa-hoa! 30 grams of protein, and one gram of sugar. ensure max protein.
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the ukrainians did nothing as far as investigations impose to get the aid released. so there was never this quid pro quo that the democrats all promise existed. >> the president's defense is that those things didn't happen. the real bottom line is he got the money. ukraine got the money. >> that's key republicans shifting their defense of president trump ahead of testimony this week from eight current and former officials. the gop there was focusing less on witnesses' secondhand information and stressing instead that president trump did nothing wrong. because ultimately the investigations into the bidens never happened. joining us now, michael smerconish. so i don't understand that reasoning, michael. explain. they -- ukraine was poised to begin the investigations. they were poised to announce the beginning of an investigation and then the whistle-blower happened and they began pressing
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president trump to release the aid and he released the aid. do you understand the republicans' argument right now that they're making? >> no. but i think i'll understand it by the time that gordon sondland testifies later this week. it's in flux their explanation. attacking the witnesses, impeaching the witnesses, and attacking the process. this will be the week that it will have to move into a substantive realm. there's going to have to be some kind of a substantive defense to what sondland will say. this declaration that he filed after the opening statement of taylor and morrison is a trial lawyer's treasure map. one sentence, if i may. i now recall speaking with mr. yermak where i said resumption of aid would not be provided until -- so forget all this hearsay business. forget all this these people are
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three times removed, they've never even met the president. here comes testimony from the guy who said to zelensky's aide, you're not getting the money until there's an announcement of the investigation. so to come back to your question, there will have to be a substantive response to that. i think it will be as i've long predicted, that they'll try to own it. and say, that's exactly what we were doing. because we were so worried about corruption. and we didn't want to waste taxpayer dollars. >> what's happening is the facts, these hearings, the testimony, the evidence is necessitating a change in defense. which is why these hearings are important. because we keep on learning things, michael. and you've always said that perhaps the ultimate republican defense may be something we keep seeing more of. this came from mike turner who sits on the intelligence committee and he's been asking tough questions of the witnesses. he's no patsy. he's all in on defending the president sometimes.
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but not about the phone call itself. listen. >> all of that is alarming. as i've said from the beginning, i think this is not okay. the president of the united states shouldn't even in the original phone call be on the phone with the president of another country and raise his political opponent. so no, this is not okay. >> it's not okay. the call is alarming. you noted that might be the last line of defense republicans have here. it happened, it was bad, i think it's bad i'm just not going to say it's impeachable. >> right. it doesn't rise to the level of impeachment might be where they're going. witness, john, how far removed we are now from allegations about the whistle-blower. oh, the whistle-blower worked for joe biden, had his picture taken with chuck sooum chumer. all that business now is forgotten because we're approaching where the rubber meats the road. if i'm gordon sondland or his lawyer, and if i were unaware of
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that "wall street journal" report today, i'm nervous. because now it suggests there's a paper trail that will provide yet other pieces of the puzzle. and you know what's interesting, in the final statement, the final averment of the declaration, he has a caveat. he says i'm not aware of the documents, the phone calls, so on and so forth. if i were questioning him, one of my first lines of inquiry would be, you told us you haven't seen anything as of the time you signed the declaration. what have you seen since you signed the declaration? for example, was he aware of whatever the emails are that are reported in the journal? >> there there's a lot of data out there and it's telling the same story. again, by the end of this, i think the defense will be one of, yes, that's what happened. so what? the president's motive was one of protecting tax dollars, not going after joe biden. >> we shall see. it's going to be a pivotal and
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at least eight witnesses are scheduled to testify this week at a critical time in the impeachment hearings. gordon sondland appears on wednesday and really he is the one so many people are watching
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this week. erica hill hear to explain why. >> good morning. ahead of gordon sondland, there's a clear plan to set the stage with testimony from officials who were on that july 25th call including some who expressed concern over the role of negotiations with ukraine. >> reporter: three days, eight witnesses. >> this has been an intense paerd for the house intelligence committee. and this could be its final act. >> reporter: an increasing focus on one man. gordon sondland. >> he's the one who seemed to have an awful lot of access to the president. >> reporter: the ambassador to the european union and a million-dollar trump donor is scheduled to testify on monday. amid new questions about his role. >> in the presence of my staff at a restaurant, ambassador sondland called president trump and told him of his meetings in kiev. >> reporter: on that call just one day after the now-infamous july 25th call. >> i made a perfect call. not a good call, perfect call.
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>> reporter: ambassador sondland told president trump that zelensky would do anything trump asked. including launch an investigation into the bidens. >> i understand you have new information -- >> reporter: a bombshell confirmed late friday in closed door testimony by a staffer who overheard it. >> the gordon sondland testimony is going to be highly significant. because he has already admitted in his testimony to say he told a top ukrainian official that security assistance from the united states roughly $400 million was lakely tied to the ask for investigations. according to multiple witnesses, the reason he knows that is because of a conversation he had with president trump. >> reporter: tim morrison, a former national security official set to testify on tuesday told lawmakers last month sondland was acting at trump's direction. and striped the eu ambassador as a problem according to newly
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released transcripts morrison listened in on the july 25th call as did jennifer williams, an adviser to vice president pence who will also apear tuesday. and said the call struck her as unusual. lieutenant colonel alexander vindman raised concerns after listening to the july 25th call. he, too, is slated to appear on tuesday. >> there is no one star witness that this whole case will rise or fall on. not that we know of right now, but i think vindman is another brick in the wall that house democrats are trying to build. >> reporter: former special representative to ukraine kurt volker defended the president's actions in closed door testimony. telling lawmakers there was, quote, no leverage implied. >> there was no linkage. and i think further testimony and depositions will confirm that. multiple times. >> we've got text messages from volker and sondland. >> reporter: volker's private text message the morning of the july 25th call revealed
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ukrainian officials pushing for a white house meeting. volker writing to an aide for zelensky, assuming president z. convinces president trump he will investigate, get to the bottom of what happened in 2016, we will nail down a date for the president to washington. good luck. on august 9th, sondland messages volker. i think potus wants the deliverable. should ask for the ukrainian president's aid in drafting a statement to see exactly what they propose to cover. volker will also appear on tuesday. >> kurt volker, let's remember, is a former career foreign service officer. volker knew what normal foreign policy looks lake. >> reporter: the week's final witness fiona hill is expected to describe what she saw as a nightmare scenario. private interest driving u.s. policy. where do you think everybody kneads to be at the end of next week? >> i think democrats need to be
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saying we are confident in this case. at a place there's doubt about this case, doubt whether it's true. or maybe it happened but it's not serious enough to merit impeachment. >> high stakes heading into a potentially explosive week of testimony. >> we're adjourned. >> and the president using a well-worn attack on jennifer williams calling her a never trumper this weekend. in response the vice president's office saying simply she is a state department employee. >> thank you very mup fch for a of that. joining us now senator chris coons. senator, great to have you here in studio. as erica just laid out for us, all eyes on gordon sondland. it's going to be a fascinating week above and beyond sondland, but he is interesting. because he had first said he didn't know what any of this quid pro quo talk was about and in the past weeks we've learned not only did he know, he was pivotal. he was the person who was in the middle of it. he was talking to zelensky's
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people. he was talking to president trump. he was updating mick mulvaney and rick perry. but since in his first testimony in october 17th he gave a leading testimony where he said he didn't know. how do you trust him this wednesday? >> well, i think the development last week of roger stone being sentenced for lying to the fbi and to congress will put even more pressure on ambassador gordon sondland. this isn't a never trumper. this isn't part of the deep state. this is someone who was a big trump supporter, a major donor with a direct line to the white house. what i think is important for folks to keep in mind is this isn't one phone call between president trump and president zelensky. what we've heard in public testimony last week is this was clearly an orchestrated campaign largely led by rudy giuliani, president trump's private attorney. and by gordon sondland, a political appointee who had no business running a parallel private foreign policy that was designed to benefit president
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trump politically. >> is there any way sondland doesn't show up or pleads the fifth and doesn't offer much? >> that's entirely possible. i'm sure his attorneys are advising him on exactly what he might say or not say given the increasing clarity of the legal risk he might be putting himself in depending how the testifies. >> and then what do you all do in response to that? >> i think by you all you mean the house. >> yes. >> democratic impeachment inquiry leaders. >> what would democrats do if that happens? >> that's a great question. i'm not sure how chairman schiff would respond. i think they laid out a great deal of evidence about this organized campaign, having ambassador yovanovitch testify, helped put the whole thing in context. but there are eight witnesses this week including lieutenant colonel vindman who will give testimony about how unusual that phone call was between trump and zelensky. and there are several others who are former nfc staffers who were part of the administration at
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senior levels who will also testify about how unusual this whole campaign was. >> in terms of the senate and specifically your committee on foreign relations, you all sent a letter as i understand it to the state department asking them to, what? publicly support jennifer williams, one of the witnesses who the president has now gone after in a tweet saying, tell jennifer williams whoever that is to read both transcripts of the presidential calls and see the just released statement from ukraine. then she should meet with the other never trumpers who i don't know and mostly never heard of and work out a better presidential attack. what do you want the state department to do on her behalf? >> defend the foreign service officers who have testified in the last week or this week. there's a whole series of senior advisers to the administration who are simply doing their jobs. i think last week we saw a number of folks who spent literally dekz serving the united states. what was straking to me was to see yovanovitch attacked and intimidated by the president by
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tweet while she was testifying to the house impeachment inquiry about how she was harassed and intimidated by the president and his team and driven from her post in ukraine. >> have you heard back from your letter? >> i haven't. >> and are you surprised that vice president pence hasn't come out and publicly supported jennifer williams? she's a top nfc aide to vice president pence. >> i am. i'm skpoidisappointed and we wi have a hearing for the new nominee to be secretary of state to press him on whether or not the state department stands behind those who are career advisers at senior levels in the foreign service and on the nfc. >> let's talk about 2020. like you have said on this program -- >> seems to be a theme. >> an ardent supporter. the latest poll in iowa shows pete buttigieg in front. he's at 25% versus the next
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three candidates all at 16% or 15%. so does this worry you? >> it really doesn't. last week vice president biden had a terrific town hall posted here on cnn at grinnel college in iowa. if you look at poll after poll, nationally biden is at a solid position. in the critical swing states, states like wisconsin and pennsylvania, all the polls show him not just beating donald trump but beating president trump by a bigger margin than any other democrat. he's clearly the leader in this field. >> okay. he's not the leader in iowa based on this. what if he doesn't win iowa and new hampshire? >> that hasn't been -- >> he could lose. so he could lose iowa and new hampshire and you think that he woul still win the primary? >> i think he's in a strong positi
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position. i think there continues to be a steady, solid base of support for joe biden which that town hall last week shows he's earned. >> so what do you think is going on in this poll? >> i think mayor pete who i've known for a long time is sort of the enticing, engaging, shiny new potential leader. and i think there's a lot of folks in iowa who haven't made up their mind yet. i think you'll see this field shift several times in the next couple of weeks as poll after poll shows really fairly slight differences between the top four. >> senator chris coons, great to have you in studio. thanks for being here. president trump's sudden visit to a hospital over the weekend raising new questions about his health. it certainly wasn't routine. not on its face. dr. sanjay gupta joins us next. after being a part of millions of love stories...
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new questions this morning about president trump's health
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after he made a sudden, unannounced, unscheduled visit to walter reed medical center over the weekend. now, the white house says it was regular testing as part of his annual physical, but a source tells cnn the visit did not follow the usual protocol for a routine presidential exam. dr. sanjay gupta is live with us. so sanjay, what do you see here? >> well, i mean, the fact it did not fit protocol, follow protocol not only from previous administrations but from this administration. in the past the white house did alert people that the president was going to have a physical exam. it was planned. as you might imagine, it's a big deal for the president to show up at the hospital. doesn't sound like everyone at the hospital knew about this. so there were several protocols that were broken here. also, this y that he went in for the first phase of a physical exam, that's typically -- very typically not how it's done. in fact, many of the things that they said he had done at walter
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reed physical exam basic lab work, i think, was the quote. that can be done at the white house as well. so it does sort of raise this question, what was necessary at walter reed that couldn't be done at the white house? why was it being done a few months early? stephanie grisham who's the president's spokesperson has said very clearly, look. this wasn't due to any new symptoms the president was having. but i think any medical person, that would be the furst question they would ask. patient shows up, somewhat of an unannounced visit to the hospital, what's going on? what prompted this visit? we don't know the answer to that. we may never know the answer to that. there's no requirement that the president, the white house disclose that information. so we may never know. but it is really odd. you know, in terms of how this unfoaled. >> it's really odd. it's alarming not to have any transparency in terms of the president's health right now. this is a presidential campaign, may i remind everybody. we all remember when hillary
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clinton -- i remember she, like, tripped on a stair or something and for the next months, you know, there were all sorts of people certainly in right wing mia saying she had all sorts of ailments and why isn't she being more transparent? this is the president of the united states. you're saying there's no requirement for him to explain his health but there's an expectation that presidents tell voters. >> no question. and it's been -- that expectation has been around for some time. really since paulsongas in the '90s. found to have a form of cancer that he would have -- could have been a problem for him had he been elect president. really since that time, there has been this habit of presidents being more forthright about their medical records. although i will say, look. i don't think anyone's been perfect on this. typically what you get is a one pager. something like that. it's sort of a summary opposed to complete medical record. the unusual part here is that there was just no advanced
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notice. all of a sudden on a saturday if the president goes to walter reed. who knew at walter reed what were the tests done there? why do they need to be done there? that's a big question. we know a little bit about this president's health history, right? from previous exams. we know his weight, height, things that are typically done. but we also know that he has a -- he takes a medication to lower his cholesterol. we know he has a form of heart disease based on previous scans. were those tests repeated? was that because they needed to be repeated? again, there's a lot of question marks here and not many answers. >> we may never know as you pointed out. another big story this morning potentially, sanjay. "the washington post" broke it that the administration is reportedly delaying if not stepping back completely from the proposed ban on flavored vaping products. what's going on here? >> well, you know, it's interesting. this isn't surprising people that much because a couple of
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months ago, you may remember the president basically said he was planning this ban on flavorings of e-cigarettes. then we really hadn't heard much since then at all. last week, you know, we reached out to many organizations that would be involved with discussions around the sort of ban. vaping association, medical professionals. and all those folks had said, look. we haven't heard anything. no one's contacted us, no one's called us. there has been no movement here at all. so that doesn't surprise me that much that now we're hearing the president maybe is changing his mind. we did reach out to the white house, i want to point out on this, to get their sort of reflections on this. here's what they said specifically. they say president trump and the administration are committed to responsibly protecting the health of children. at this time we're in an ongoing rule making process and will not speculate on the final outcome. the fact there's a rule making process still going on, that
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suggests that maybe there is still going to be some activity. we don't know. one thing i do want to point out, there are two separate issues with regard to vaping. one is these illnesses and these deaths we've heard about. and that's almost certainly linked to these thc cartridges. typically these illicit thc cartridges. people are vaping in something that's causing them illness and even death. what the flavoring ban was about was really about are these flavors enticing young people to start vaping? and that's what this whole rule making process is about. and obviously we're going to have to see how that plays out. >> okay, sanjay. thank you very much for all of the information. now to this. kanye west says his signature cockiness and arrogance are now being used, quote, in service to god. during an appearance at pastor joel osteen's houston megachurch on sunday, the rapper also declared this.
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>> now the greatest artist that god has ever created is now working for him. >> i think he was referring to himself. >> he was. >> later in the evening, west held his own sunday service there. organizers say the tickets for the free event were gone in less than 15 minutes. >> greatest ever. >> well, i mean, he is a great artist. >> there's michelangelo, leonar leonardo. others that did okay. the beatles. okay. >> look, i like his confidence. i think that that's a winning quality. >> i guess you have to like yourself. so the woman leading the impeachment charge against president trump, house speaker nancy pelosi now a new book charts her course to becoming the most powerful woman in government. the author who happens to be her daughter joins us next.
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with china. chinese state media held constructive conversations about a trade deal. the two sides held a high-level phone call on friday night. upbeat signals from the u.s. side sent stocks to record highs friday. economic adviser larry kudlow said washington and beijing were close to a deal. white house trade adviser peter navarro used the same word constructive of a trade representative robert lighthizer's behind closed doors negotiating. >> these talks continue to be constructive, but my lighthizer rule is all negotiations should be behind closed doors. we're on a glides path to a deal. >> navarro would not say if he thinks an agreement would happen this year. until then hundreds of billions of tariffs remain on chinese imports and u.s. products like agriculture. u.s. farmers are the collateral damage in the trade war. president trump vowed another round of cash for u.s. farmers before thanksgiving. a second round of bailout checks for farmers expected to be cut
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next week. compliments, trump says, of china tariffs. trump has falsely said china and its tariffs fund the farmer bailout and in reality american business and consumers pay for the tariffs. there's been a $12 billion to compensate farmers for the lower prices and lost sales because of the trade war. this round of checks will be $16 billion. this is not the grand course correction the president promised at the start of the trade war. they're looking to find a narrow agreement leaving thorny agreements until later. even the phase one plan has been difficult. i wouldn't bet your bottom dollar because we have been fooled about how close they are getting. >> watching it closely. thank you very much. so she has risen to become the highest ranking woman in american history, political history, twice. now a new book takes a look at how house speaker nancy pelosi life and career brought her here written by someone who knows her pretty well. the book is called "the nancy pelosi way." joining me is christine pelosi
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the daughter of the house speaker. thank you so much for being with us. it's a terrific read about family, about political organizing and female empowerment and then you get to the end and your afterward and you wrote the whole book, got it to the publisher and there's an impeachment hearing under way basically, a full impeachment inquiry, so you write about that. how is house speaker nancy pelosi approaching this process given what you know about her, how will she approach it? >> john, it's great to be with you and appropriate that we're talking about this book on "new day" because one of the lessons of the nancy pelosi way is to treat every day as a new day when you have five kids in six years, as she and my father paul did, and you're talking about diapers and then carpools and class activities and all that. there's so many group dynamics that come from raising a family of five that you have to understand coalition, politics, you have to understand how to read people, how to educate
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people and obviously when distractions come or difficulties come, you have to let that go and let every day be a new day. i think that's exactly how she handles being a mom, being grandmother, the true joy of her life, and being a friend and, of course, being the speaker of the house. >> the five kids in six years, which you write about, you sort of can't get it out of your head as you're reading the rest of the book and how she handles everything. you write about the fact that she often says something in public life that, as her daughter, strikes you in a different way. i want to play some sound from her on thursday when she's speaking directly to the president and have you decode it for us. listen to this. >> it's called an inquiry, and if the president has something that is exculpatory, mr. president, that means you have anything that shows your innocence, then he should make that known. >> as the author of the book on
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nancy pelosi, someone who has known her your entire life, what did you hear when she said that? >> i heard what she always told us, proper preparation prevents poor performance. you need to do your homework, you need to come prepared and rather than complaining about your homework or arguing about whether or not you should have to do it, just do it. and so that's what i hear when i hear her talking now. the lessons that echo through the ages, be serious about what you're doing, know your purpose, know your wife ahy and instead making excuses for not doing something just do it. >> you write nancy pelosi's words of wisdom, one there is no luck, the harder i work the luckier i get. one of the things you note throughout the book since she has become a leader in congress, she has frequently been the only or one of the only women at the table. throughout the trump presidency that has been the case, just
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because when congressional leadership goes and sits down at the table she's the only one be there sometimes who's the woman at the table. how has that affected her or how does she take that responsibility? >> she takes that responsibility very seriously. from when she first started in leadership and went over, there is a story in the book, my mom's first time as leader going to the white house and meeting with president george w. bush and her realizing that no other woman had been in that position before, and having this almost spiritual experience of feeling the suffrages and the abolitionists on the chair with her saying at least we have a seat at the table, and her thought was, we want more. the lesson for women who right now, like my mom did for years and years and years, are up packing lunches, checking homework, pressing uniforms, preparing either car fare or bus
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fare for their kids, is take your seat at the table, take it as a badge of honor that you were a mom and try to bring other people there. be confident when you go that you're not just there for yourself. you're there for all the people who put you there. when you're the only woman or the only person of color, the only gay person, the only person with a disability at the table, you tend to be treated as the only everything other. it's important to remember that the first thing you need to do when you get to be the only one at the table is to bring more people, bring the enforcements. >> the book "the nancy pelosi way" by christine pelosi. thanks so much for being with us this morning. >> my pleasure. thanks, john. >> really incitingful. great to hear that conversation. >> she says sometimes she hears her mother speak and she applies the language or the tone to her own life and experience. really interesting. >> it's just a great adage the harder i work the luckier i get.
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i may tell my children that. thanks to our international viewers for watching. for our u.s. viewers, it's the start of a blockbuster week. "new day" continues right now. >> eight public impeachment hearings set for this week. >> this last week was good for the facts and very bad for president trump. >> the president lashed out at another witness, career diplomat jennifer williams. >> donald trump doesn't like what he's hearing. he shouldn't tweet. >> mr. sondland has to decide whether his loyalty is to america or the president of the united states. >> this is a man who said farce the president is concerned there was no quid pro quo. >> the president of the united states shouldn't be on the phone with the president of another country and raise a political opponent. >> this is "new day with alisyn camerota and john berman." >> good morning. welcome to your "new day." it is monday, november 18th. it is 8:00 in the east. it's a big week in the impeachment process, including a witness that seems to grow in importance


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