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from his republican friends in the senate. he wants to rub a potential acquittal in the faces of democrats who voted to impeach him on charges of abuse of power and obstruction of congress. that goes in the history books whether you like it or not. house speaker nancy pelosi has delayed sending impeachment articles to the senate setting up a battle. >> i don't think they suspected that we could have a rogue president and a rogue leader in the senate same time. >> i'm not sure what leverage there is in refraining from sending us something we do not want. >> it's a risk on pelosi's part but one of the last available levers to influence the next step of impeachment after mcconnell and lindsey graham said they will not be impartial jurors. i'll have more on the senate chess match in a bit and why i'm not sure an acquittal is a sure
thing. nothing is happening until congress returns on january 6th. democrats insisted that impeachment was not political, not partisan, not because they don't like donald trump. they insisted this was about constitutional duties. i believe that's mostly true. and i believe impeachment was warranted, but i have a feeling that impeaching trump was also about something else, shaming him. since he was elected, democrats and never trumpers and the resistance, they have salivated at the idea of something, anything finally chafening donald trump. there was a mythical idea that one day he would do something so terrible, so obviously awful that it would realign the cosmos and the universe would unanimously consent that he is now indefensible. he would accept that verdict and slink off to the dust been of history, tale between his legs,
sentenced to live out the rest of his life in eternal dishonor. and we would all get the satisfaction of being able to say i told you so. it's a nice thought, but it's a la-laland. this president is incapable of shame. remember, this is a person who made fun of a disabled journalist, who attacked a gold star family, who mocked a prisoner of war for being a prisoner of war, bullied a teenaged girl with asburger's sindryndrom syndrome. he said things that are racist, sexist, zeen phobic. have you ever heard him apologize? here is the deal. trump is incapable of shame, and yet, i truly believe democrats think impeaching him will
somehow provoke some introspection that it will change his behavior. on the very evening of his impeachment, here is trump looking and sounding very ashamed of what he had done. >> the dish washer, right? impressive. the steam pours out. now you press it 12 times women tell me. >> and there was this shameful attack on congresswoman's late husband. >> she calls me up. i said don't worry about. maybe he's looking up. i don't know. >> on the day bill clinton was
impeached he gave a remorseful address. on the night of trump's he threw a party. here is what robert de niro said this week. he said i would like to see a bag of s word right in his face, hit him right in the face like that and let the picture go all over the world and that would be the most humiliating thing because he needs to be humiliated. he needs to be confronted and humiliated. that's a little preverse. to shame someone they must be capable of that emotion. when impeachment fails to constrain a president who believes he did nothing wrong, what does that mean for the coming year? will an emboldened president do the things he is accused of again? will he try to tamper with the election? will he be more liberal with executive authority, more vindictive? will he go it alone on issues of national security and foreign
policy like abandoning our allies in syria. putting our feelings aside, an impeached president who doesn't feel impeached can be a very dangerous man. joining me now to discuss. congressman, i have a lot of questions for you about the very real consequences of the president's lack of shame. first i want to acknowledge something important off the top. last night president trump signed into law the caesar act, a bill you co sponsored which sanctions for war crimes. it's a significant piece of legislation that let's the world know there are consequences finally. and it showed that bipartisanship isn't dead. >> i agree. you've taken a very strong leadership role in this, too. you have deep passion for the people of syria. you're to be commended for pushing this. it was a big win. we have made some huge mistakes in syria. this is a win for certain. >> thank you for your fighting
on this, as well. i know you don't support everything the president says and does unlike many of your colleagues in congress, you have been critical of him. i assume you do not condone his comments about debbie dingle's late husband. do you have concerns as a member of the foreign affairs committee that trump will continue trying to persuade foreign leaders to medal in our elections? >> there is always a concern. i don't think it's going to like go off the rails all of a sudden now because he's impeached and he doesn't care, but i do think there has been some huge challenges on foreign policy. you know, we've made some gains in n.a.t.o. in terms of what they're spending. also i'm sure the u.s. will be there to defend them if article 5 is evoked. we see what's happened in syria. i think there is good success in iran and it seems like maybe we are here in north korea getting ready to test a big missile.
i don't think impeachment is going to change anything. a lot of the time i don't like and the attack on congressman dingle, i served with him for two years. he is an honorable man and a great american even if i disagree on some things. >> the washington post reports that trump believes ukraine was meddling in our election because putin told him it was true. now his administration opposes a bill that would deter russia from further interfering in our elections. isn't trump's indifference to russian meddling a problem that even impeachment won't solve? >> i think it's a huge problem. i think the big problem is this. when the faith in democracy is under minded. that's really dangerous. when you start to see -- this is to both left and right.
when you start to see the people in the other party as the biggest enemy and not your actual enemies overseas, that's how democracies fail in the long term. so i've never understood. and i have been very clear from the beginning the hesitancy to call out russia and to fight russia for what they're doing, because it has very real consequences, and we see it in eastern europe and in other places where democracy is challenged right now. so i think we have to lean forward on this big time. i think congress has done it. and where congress has passed laws and made it clear the executives job is to execute the laws and not determine if they don't want to do them. >> let's talk about stuff back at home. late last night, trump signed two spending packages totaling $1.4 trillion and that avoids a government shutdown. last march he vowed never to sign a spending bill like that again, yet here we are. are you worried he'll continue to break domestic promises now
that he sees there are few consequences? >> the bill is a result of government that doesn't do anything until last minute. everybody thinks they're going to uphold and maintain leverage. we go to a shutdown. nobody wants to shut the government shutdown. it's a broken way that we do budgeting. there are efforts to make it a two-year cycle. something else has to happen. this is way better than continuing resolutions which we were doing for a very long time, but it's wrong. and the problem is we're starting to see -- i say we collectively as a country, the other party. we are so offended by the existence that we see them as the biggest enemies now. so we hold back on leverage. that's the dangerous thing right now. and that's my hope in the long term to change the tone in this politics. be passionate, but stop thinking
of the other side as the enemy, because they're not. >> that is a terrific new year's resolution. i hope you sent it out into the ether. i hope it is received. thanks for coming on. >> you bet. see you. on to the senate, eventually, when the trial of president trump begins, it's more than just his legacy at stake. i'll explain. and a little later i'll talk to one of the 2020 candidates hoping to unseat the president in an election. andrew yang joins us next.
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well, articles of impeachment are being held up in the house for now. they will eventually go to the senate where 67 senators of 100 would need to vote to convict and remove the president. mitch mcconnell saying president trump will be acquitted. conventional wisdom is he is right. can you imagine a whole 20 republicans in the senate defecting from republican loyalty to trump? i can't either, but i think we will see some and maybe more than a few. why? this is the stuff legacies are made on. and plenty of republicans are thinking long and hard about
their own entries in the history books. with me is the senior congressional correspondent at the washington post and democratic analyst joel pane. you covered the clinton impeachment, not to age you. and you covered congress for almost 20 years. so you've seen it all. what's the mood like in washington right now? >> it's -- well, it's quiet, because everybody left town, but those last couple of days were very fiery. and mitch mcconnell the morning after the house impeachment, he has been -- his opening remarks have only touched at impeachment for months now. he went 30 straight minutes basically saying there is nothing to this case. it's pointless, but we're going to go ahead and do a trial and then schumer came out. and he was yelling. it was a very tense atmosphere. and it really set the stage for what could be a really pretty
bitter partisan fight compared to where it was where there was some semblance of comedy. >> let's go through the potential republican senators that could conceivably vote to convict. my most likely is mitt romney. he has the longest run way to do this without immediate consequences. how likely do you think a mitt romney vote to convict and impeach would be? >> i don't think it's terribly likely. you have to get reelected to have a legacy. these senators know not only the approval that trump has within the party, but how intense that approval is. they don't hear that they like donald trump. they hear that they're not doing enough from donald trump. >> do you think someone like mitt romney is pretty safe in utah? >> in theory, sure. but the reality is when you get on the ground even in utah where trump isn't as popular as some other states, the intensity of
the trump voter is massive. every time i go home to north korea, korea -- north carolina i would be surprised. it's the last thing they talk about and it's intense. >> your thoughts on romney. >> i think romney is a possibility because president trump is not as popular in utah as other places. i look at the vulnerable 2020 senate republicans. >> we're going to get there. for sure. because obviously they have the most to lose. first i want to go to the next, the 2022 electants. that's pat toomey. does that give them some -- >> the thing i would think about here is schumer has set this up to be about whether or not you support a fair trial, not whether or not you support impeachment. i think he feels like i can unite my caucus and drive a wedge in the republican caucus if i force them to vote on a
fair trial on things of that nature. notice what schumer was talking about. he's not talking about 67 votes for impeachment. no one is talking about that. it's about the trial. >> again, potentially, sure. the difficulty that they have is if they want to win again, voters are going to remember, and we should remember donald trump's not going anywhere even if he is impeached and removed, he's not going to go anywhere. as long as he has two thumbs, we're going to hear from donald trump. that means those members and senators will hear from voters. >> then there is the 2020s. ben sass i think is less likely than some of those. >> they are in a vice. they can't figure out what's the right thing to do for a primary versus the general election. there is still time for somebody to run a primary challenge
against. it's very hard to vote to convict and remove a president of your party and expect that a few months later you could win the primary. but you got to win the general to be back in 2021. so they're in the toughest box. >> i have seen some tough poll numbers in maine, colorado and north carolina. so both their unfavorables but president trump's favorability. those are tough numbers for those folks to deal with. >> does that maybe give them, you know, an idea to say i'm going to vote on my conscience then. i'm going to vote them out because i might not get elected anyway. >> i go back to the day after the access hollywood tape, i was hope in north carolina and i went to two events. he talked about his need to make sure that he over performed donald trump. if you're tom till s, corey
gardner, martha mcsally, if you come out somehow against trump, you are guaranteed that you do not overperform him. >> on the other side, there is also the possibility of maybe some democrat defections like someone like joe mansion. >> he just won reelection. he has a lot of run way. and i'm not sure he's running again in 2024. so he has the freedom to vote however he wants. but he really enjoys this position as the democrat that trump likes to call. and if he votes to convict trump, that kind of disappears. doug jones from alabama is also in a tough position. >> that's true. >> i don't know how he wins that race. >> again, right. >> without a roy moore as the nominee. i'm not sure what he'll do. >> look at a gang of six or a gang of eight, maybe four republicans and four democrats
in the middle, those folks, they might get together and say we're going to force a vote on something that is short of impeachment. that's very possible. >> trying to identify that gang, put that coalition together. thanks so much for joining me tonight. next up on to the presidential race where the democrats are struggling with important issues like wine headaches. i'll speak to one of those candidates. so we built a snow globe. i'll get that later. dylan! but the one thing we could both agree on was getting geico to help with homeowners insurance. what? switching and saving was really easy! i love you! what? sweetie! hands off the glass. ugh!! call geico and see how easy saving on homeowners and condo insurance can be. i love her!
it was a big point of contention. a wine cave is a place where mayor buttigieg had a fundraiser last sunday rbs but also a metaphor to paint him as a little too out of touch, beholdened to the high dollar donors. he here is elizabeth warren trying to make this a thing. >> we made the decision many years ago that rich people in smoke-filled rooms would not pick the next president of the united states. billionaires in wine caves should not pick the next president of the united states. >> buttigieg was having none of it, pointing out he was the only nonmillionaire or billionaire on
the stage. >> senator, your presidential campaign right now is funded in part by money you transferred having raised it at those exact same big ticket fundraisers you now denounce. did it corrupt you, senator? of course not. these charity tests shrink the states of the most important election. >> is buttigieg right? do these wound the quest to beat trump? with me now is former chairman of the house democratic caucus. congressman, what did you make of the wine cave moment? was warren making a good point? or was she just trying to paint buttigieg as bought and paid for? >> i think that bouttigieg gave it as much as he got it. he reminded her -- it really did
bring clarity. very few people have two or three million twitter followers where they roll out an e-mail or text and say please help me. they do it kind of the old fashioned way. they are trying to raise as much as money as they possibly can to stay in the race. congressman tim ryan left the presidential race. when he was asked about that, he said i ran out of money. i don't have the money to do it anymore and i can't raise anymore. >> we should point out pete buttigieg raising money legally. you lost -- you lost your seat to a progressive democrat who talks line elizabeth warren does about wealthy people. that kind of worked in queens. do you think it's going to work in the rest of the country? >> i don't know if you can take what happened in my district and transpose it to national elections in all fairness. i do think that the supreme
court has ruled that the campaign giving is a part of free speech, that the house and the senate through various bills and laws have been passed have regulated that speech to some degree. but all americans have the opportunity to participate and to help candidates who they think represent their values and they see as a viable presidential candidate. so i think play by those rules and doing it legally, the opportunity to kind of attack someone when they are playing by the rules i think is not really all that fair. >> let's talk about joe biden. the latest cnn poll has him sitting at the top of the field nationally. he had a strong debate. here's what he said about working with republicans. >> i refuse to accept the notion as some on this stage do that we can never never get to a place where we have cooperation again. if that's the case, we're dead as a country. we need to be able to reach
consensus. if anyone has reason to be angry with the republicans and not want to cooperate, it's me, the way they attack me, my son, and my family. i have no -- >> progressives have hit him in the past for saying nice things about republicans, but most voters actually want more cooperation in congress. so are his, you know, competitors in the democratic primary listening to voters. >> actually, i thought that was one of his strongest moments in the debate. >> me, too. >> the people who say that my way or no way, my way or the highway. that's easy especially in primaries both in the republican when they have primaries and the democratic primaries to actually get something done. much of the work you saw congress accomplish even here at the end of the year and the wrap up was done in a very bipartisan
way, working with the white house. even if you don't like the man in charge, understanding that you have to get certain things done to keep the clocks running. i think that's an important thing thrks strength that joe biden i think brings to this campaign. >> the trump campaign is launching a democrats for trump campaign. the press release says it's a coalition designed to attract and engage disaffected democrats who will refuse to support rich hunts or radical big government socialist policies. cut through some of that melodrama, this strikes me as a smart strategy. do you think it can see success? >> i imagine there are probably more republicans who are going to be supportive of a democrat against this president, quite frankly. it's fair play. there is always outliars out there. i think we saw that in new
jersey, folks who maybe feel more comfortable in republican clothing than democratic clothing. i think in the end, more republicans supporting the democratic nominee. i meet them all the time, quite frankly, than the opposite happening. >> i do, as well. we'll have to see how it all shakes out in november. for now, former congressman, thanks for joining me. >> happy holidays. >> you, too. make america think again. it's math for short. i'll ask my next guest about calculations on a pretty strong economy and how that factors into his pitch to voters. up here at the dewar's distillery, all our whiskies are aged, blended and aged again. it's the reason our whisky is so extraordinarily smooth. dewar's. double aged for extra smoothness. ♪
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in 2020, one election, two very different economies. economic numbers released friday confirm strong growth. the gdp grew by 2.1% last quarter bolstered by a job market. third quarter growth in consumer spending was stronger than expected at 3.2%. americans are feeling it. fuelled by the 10th straight year of economic growth, the latest cnn poll shows 76% of americans rate the economy as very or somewhat good. the 2020 democratic candidates
told a very different story on the debate stage thursday night. >> middle clasis getting killed. middle class is getting crushed. >> the biggest problem in our economy is simple. people are not getting paid enough. >> i'm proud to stand on the stage with democrats who understand that a rising gdp and corporate profits is not being felt by millions of families. >> trump goes around citing the economy is doing great. you know what, real account for inflation went up last year? 1.1%. that ain't great. >> he can yell all he wants, but it's never been a successful strategy to tell voters that they're wrong about how they feel. right now they feel pretty good about the economy. how is this message going to work? with me now is democratic presidential candidate andrew yang. i am bad at math. you are very good at math, as
you like to point out. even i know that the politics of telling 76% of americans that they're wrong about how they feel is just bad math. the economy is good. it's not good for everybody, but it's good. does trump deserve any credit for that? >> if you have an irresponsible tax cut that boosts the bottom lines of certain corporations, then, of course, you're going to see a short term boost out of that. if you go to americans around the country, 76% say they are living paycheck to paycheck. almost half say they can't afford an unexpected $500 bill. the stock market has less and less relationship with how most are living day to day. the bottom -- the bottom 50% own essentially zero. when donald trump was running for president, when he talked about the unemployment rate, he said this is fake news, doesn't include the fact that millions are dropping out of the workforce. now that he is president all of a sudden the numbers are real.
the headline unemployment rate obscures a rough reality for many americans. >> so just to ask it again, he doesn't deserve credit for this current good economy. >> if you have an irresponsible tax cut that puts 1.5 trillion on to the bottom line of biggest corporations you will see short term benefits. >> you said trump's 2016 win was in part because 4 million manufacturing jobs were lost. but a cnn fact check found that u.s. manufacturing unemployment actually went up during president barack obama's second term. that's continued under trump. so are those people going to do worse in an andrew yang economy? >> manufacturing employment peaked. the 80% of that 5 million gap was because of automation of those manufacturing jobs. so there hasn't been a around -- i hope it continues. big picture, i spent seven years
working in the midwest and the south. if you go through michigan, ohio and western pennsylvania, many communities that used to rely upon manufacturing have never really recovered. there is a straight lineup between the adoption of industrial automation and the movement towards trump and the republicans. we all know he won by a relatively narrow margin in pennsylvania, ohio, michigan, wisconsin. and if you look at the numbers, they clearly show that there is a direct relationship between the automation of jobs and the movement towards trump. >> i want to ask you about your freedom dividend plan. some economists say the numbers don't add up in the plan to pay for this. >> the estimated cost is $2.8 trillion. the ubi center says that your protection would raise between 800 and $900 billion in government revenue is unlikely. explain it for people who are
skeptical still. >> yes. so big picture, who is winning in the 21st century economy? it's amazon, facebook, google, tech companies that are not paying near their fair share. amazon is paying -- despite the fact that they're closing 30% of our stores and malls. being a retail clerk is the most common job in the country. if we put a mechanism in place where we get our fair share of every amazon sale and google search, then every robot truck mile and work unit, we can generate hundreds of billions of dollars and that has a big up haro attached to it. when we put the money into american's hands it goes right back into the local economy to car repairs and little league signups and daycare expenses. this is a trickle up economy. it's not just me saying this. if you look at jamie dimon who
look at the same numbers i have, they said we should declare a national emergency around the fact that our economy is not including most americans. >> i want to shift real quick to some foreign policy issues, because we're confronting a lot of them as a country right now. so i just want to get your thoughts on just a couple. syria. would you send u.s. troops back into syria to protect the kurds. >> i certainly wouldn't have pulled the rug out from under our kurdish allies. the fact is reality on the ground shifts as soon as you do something and you can't undo it. i signed a pledge to end the forever wars. we have been in a constant state of armed conflict. that's the way it was drawn up in the constitution. >> so trump announced he was pulling troops out. we have sent troops back in to guard the oilfields. would you keep those troops there or pull everyone out of
syria? >> i would talk to military leaders and say are our troops necessary to guard the oil fields? and if they were, then they would say -- if they weren't necessary, then i would pull them home as soon as possible. >> iran, since withdrawing from the jcpoa, it's believed iran has attacked oil tankers and in saudi arabia. what would you do to lower tensions in iran between iran and the u.s.? >> this wasn't just a bilateral agreement between us and iran that we pulled out of. there were other long standing allies who were still in that agreement. we have to try -- we have to try and re-stoout that agreement and extend the timeline so that they make sense in a new context. that would de-escalate tensions quickly. it's not something that americans want to have an inflamed middle east and potentially conflict with iran. >> we have paid for that agreement with iran the first
time. would you pay it again? >> to me it's in our best interest to try and move back any timeline of nuclearization in iran. to me it would be an appropriate price to pay. >> stay right there. i have more questions for andrew yang. stay tuned. we're related to them? we're portuguese? i thought we were hungarian. can you tell me that story again? behind every question is a story waiting to be discovered. this holiday, start the journey with a dna kit from ancestry.
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i don't think i have much to ask forgiveness for. in terms of a gift, elizabeth has done me the honor of starting to read my book. i would love to give each of you a copy of my book. >> i found that moment authentic especially when moderators throw the oddball questions at you on the spot. do you have a doover. >> i can tell you what was going through my head. >> tell me. >> the first thing is, of course, i want to give everyone a thousand dollars a month. >> right. >> that's the gift to everyone. >> the gift of my campaign to all americans. then i thought, i've been trying to broaden the messening a little bit. and then i had, you know, like a
starky thought. >> the thought was something about like the gift of seeing what's happening in the 21st century. in terms of- >> i'll discard that one. and elizabeth is reading my book. i genuinely would love it if the other candidates would read my book. i believe transformation of our economy due to technology is changing everything. >> book sales have shot up, you told me. >> my publisher was very grateful. >> i'm sure. believe me. as a book lover, i get it. so i'm going to take you back to a "new york times" profile. you were asked your favorite comfort food. i was very disappointed in your answer. kind bars are not comforting.
they are barely food. do you ever have like a ten-piece nugget as mcdonald's? >> maybe not all 10. if i indulge i would probably by >> what sauce do you like with your nuggets? this is important stuff. >> i alternate between barbecue and sweet and sour. >> that's exactly what i do. all right, all right. we're vibing here. i read you grew up playing dungeons and dragons? >> yes. >> i did not, but i am fascinated by this game. i have a lot of adult friends that play it. what kind of d & d wisdom could you impart toe many? >> you have to use your imagination. you end up developing these narratives in the long haul. you need to have a good relationship with the people you're playing with because it gets very, very dramatic, intense. >> like personal? >> you become attached to your characters and sometimes something bad happens, you know, and you need to be able to go through that with people. >> just like politics. >> yeah, there's some lessons there. >> final question, it's very serious, especially with the
holidays approaching. i need to know this, do you think die hard is a christmas movie? >> die hard is definitely a christmas movie. >> that is the right answer. >> ho ho ho, you know, all of it. it's like embedded into the fabric of that movie. >> say no more, thanks you'll have to come back on. presidential candidate andrew yang. best of luck. >> happy holidays, i will be right back. don't go anywhere. that sophie oa wormhole through time? (speaking japanese) where am i? (woman speaking french) are you crazy/nuts? cyclist: pip! pip! (woman speaking french) i'm here, look at me. it's completely your fault. (man speaking french) ok? it's me. it's my fault? no, i can't believe how easy it was to save hundreds of dollars on my car insurance with geico. (pterodactyl screech) believe it. geico could save you 15% or more on car insurance.
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with the holidays coming up, some of you will likely be confronted with this age old question as you're opening presents. what the heck am i going to do with this thing? well, necessity is the mother of invention and thus was born regifting, which allows you to pass along that questionable item to someone who will better appreciate it or someone who you don't actually like. while "seinfeld" famously condemned the ghost practice, there is new reason to celebrate the tradition guilt free. a study done by "the wall street journal" and stanford university uncovered new data that proves people are more afraid of being judged for regifting than they
are opposed to regifting. the research showed that original givers of gifts are far less offended by the regifting of their gift, and that receivers were more likely to regift when there was implied permission to do so. so regifters, science is with you. regift in peace. i know i plan to. i want to wish you and your loved ones very happy holidays. that's it for me, but cnn isn't going anywhere. make sure your plans include linda ron ststadt. the first female pop icon. the sound of my voice, that premiers new year's day. "cnn newsroom" with ana cabrera is next. so i can sleep great and wake up human. don't eat me i taste terrible. fight your worst symptoms so you can sleep great and wake up human. new mucinex nightshift cold and flu. ♪
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you're live in the cnn newsroom, i'm ana cabrera in new york. the history making impeachment of president trump not expected to move forward in the coming days, at least in any way that we will be able to see. members of congress are on holiday recess. the president is out of town, but the lights are on in washington this week. sources on capitol hill tell cnn house committee staffers are at work, that the white house counsel's office is very busy this weekend. everyone is preparing for the next step in the impeachment process. a trial in the senate that could begin just days into the new year. the reason, though, for the
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