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>> from des moines, iowa, the final democratic debate before the iowa caucus. >> it is incomprehensible to say i think a woman could not be president of the united states. >> my record overall, i'm prepared to compare it to anybody on the stage. >> documents revealing more about the pressure campaign in ukraine. >> they include the previously undisclosed letter from giuliani to president zelensky making clear he wants a meeting. >> we have impeachment articles being send over. this is an important moment for our country. >> we want to welcome our viewers all around the world and the united states. in a matter of hours nancy pelosi will finally make her next move after impeaching the president. the speaker will announce which members will serve as impeachment managers presenting the house case in the senate.
then a ceremonial and historic event. the managers will march across the capital to deliver the articles of impeachment to the senate. the impeachment trial to set for tuesday. now new information on the ukraine investigation is coming out. what rudy giuliani and his associate lev parr naz were doing in ukraine they say on behalf of president trump. these text messages also show that u.s. ambassador to ukraine marie yovanovitch had reason to be concerned about her safety. >> this is new evidence we haven't seen? >> we have not seen it until this morning. >> new evidence we haven't seen. how about that? the other big story this morning, the final debate before the first votes in iowa. what happened immediately after last night's debate is creating some buzz. elizabeth warren apparently if you watch this video seeming to
snub bernie sanders when he tried to shake her hand. then they had a moment of what looked like certainly heated discussion. the long-time friends and allies are at odds over warren's claim that sanders told her in a 2018 meeting that a woman could not win the presidency. >> anybody knows me knows it's incomprehensible that i would think that a woman could not be president of the united states. >> senator warren, what did you think when senator sanders told you a woman could not win the election? >> i disagreed. >> all right. joining us now, cnn white house correspondent kaitlan collins, david gregory, and joe lockhart. thank you all for being with us. i want to play a little more from this debate last night and specifically having to do with this tension between bernie sanders and elizabeth warren. because you saw them both take
it head on. but then elizabeth warren tried to do something else with it as well. she didn't want to engage fully in the back and forth with sanders over what was said behind closed doors. but she tried to make it an argument about electability. listen. >> look at the men on this stage. collectively they have lost ten elections. the only people on this stage who have won every single election that they've been in are the women. amy and me. >> i have won every race, every place, every time. every single person that i have beaten, my republican opponents, have gotten out of politics for good. >> i don't know why i find that so funny that amy klobuchar said she didn't just one by drove them out of the business. david gregory, the dust has settled. who got the most out of last night's debate and what changed? >> on this particular question, i thought that elizabeth warren had a clever response to make it
this. so that was one of the most interesting arguments that i think you heard from any of those candidates trying to appeal to those voters. >> david gregory, i just want to move on because there's so much that we need to move on. all that last night happening on the eve of the senate impeachment trial that beginning in earnest today. really, the process for it. and at the exact same time, there is this new damning evidence that has this morning basically been released and come forward of these text messages
that show more about what rudy giuliani and lev parnas were doing at the behest of president trump in ukraine. there's also this new character added to the mix, a republican congressional candidate named robert hyde who seems very bent on dpeting yovanovitch out of the picture. but they sound intimidating. let me just read some of the new text messages that have come to light that obviously now congress will have to figure out what to do with. okay? so robert hyde says things like this about marie yovanovitch which was the ambassador to ukraine that they wanted out of the way. because she was a corruption fighter. he said, they're moving her tomorrow. he's watching her or someone is surveilling her. they're moving her tomorrow. the guys over there, they ask me
what i would like to do and what's in it for them. she's talked to three people. her phone is off. computer is off. she's next to the embassy. not in the embassy. she has private security. been there since thursday. they'll let me know when she's on the move. no wonder she testified that she felt threatened while she was in ukraine and that people might be watching her. >> well, and if this is all under rudy giuliani, the president's personal lawyer who appears to be working at the direction of the president. when the president says talk to rudy, talk to rudy. rudy's running this campaign. to dig up dirt on my opponent and to intervene in ukraine. the specter of surveilling her let alone in the circles and ultimately being fired. all of this is just more of the
record. it raises new questions. and therefore it raises a bigger question which is where does it go? besides being reported and discussed here, does it become part of the senate trial. and this i think is an attempt by house democrats to say there's more to this story that we've uncovered. now, if it's going to be a real trial, you're going to have to give a real airing to some of this information. and that's going to be the subject of a real battle. >> and look. rudy giuliani and some of the new evidence that was released tells us that he's doing this for the president's personal gain. he tells us in a letter to the president of ukraine, i want to talk to you and i'm not working for the president of the united states in an official capacity it's a personal capacity for the person donald trump. david raises a good question here. which is what happens now with all of this new information. are we going to get more? >> yeah. and will this be allowed into
the senate record. in 1999 there was a movement among house managers to some damaging new information that has nothing to do with ken starr in. and the senate resisted that. so i think you'll hear mcconnell talk about the clinton rules again. >> but this is relevant. >> it is. >> how could they ignore this? >> they can ignore it because they set their own roles and they can ignore anything. and if we think that the -- gets to the bottom of it, that's a naive idea. this is about politics. i think this puts incredible pressure on on the republican senators for witnesses for this reason. it is a little bit esoteric. we need to get the answer. this appears like someone was trying to physically intimidate a u.s. ambassador. and let's remember the reason
everybody knows who mike pompeo is his benghazi performance where he talked about the u.s. cut and run and didn't protect our ambassadors. now it appears u.s. citizens were threatening in some way and we've got to get to the bottom of this. i can't see how a republican senator particularly one in cycle can say i don't want to know more about this this is a person who potentially was put at danger for doing their job and that's very different than i think a lot of the other things that have come before. >> all right. thank you very much. in light of all this, what's mitch mcconnell's next move? what will he allow or try to allow or disallow once the articles of impeachment are delivered to the senate? and where are we this morning on whether we will hear from actual witnesses? we'll discuss next. myww's been an amazing journey. it's almost like a challenge everyday to see how well i can eat and still enjoy myself
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impeachment managers. these are the people who will actually prosecute the case in the senate trial. this means it will all get started very, very soon. mitch mcconnell says it will begin in earnest next tuesday. what does this all mean? this new evidence? how will this affect the senators and perhaps whether witnesses will actually testify. joining us now, michael smerconish. can i just read you a little more of this new information that just came to light from this character robert hyde? the connecticut congressional candidate. hyde suggests somehow that he's surveilling or involved with surveillance of a u.s. ambassador. he says they're moving her tomorrow. the guys over there, they asked me what i would like to do and what's in it for them. wake up, yankees man. she's talked to three people. computer is off. she's next to the embassy. private security. been there since thursday.
they will let me know when she's on the move. they're willing to help if you would like a price. i mean, this sounds like dark stuff. and again, it's just coming to light now. so the bigger question is what role does this play in a senate trial? how does this impact the ultimate decision about whether to get new evidence, see more documents, or hear new witnesses? >> both you and alisyn have asked me previously if i thought that speaker pelosi had aided her case, the case for impeachment by delaying the delivery of the articles. and my position has been she harmed her case that there was a momentum shift that was taking place and was interrupted because of that delay. maybe i was wrong. because this new evidence that comes to light, i think what it does in the big picture, john, is it creates this image of the
fluidity of the situation. meaning it's not yet ripe for determination by the senate based on the record solely established by the house. and the big picture answer to your question is i think it increases the pressure that new witnesses be permitted to testify in the senate proceeding. >> you know, michael, as you know, what some republican senators have said is if it wasn't taken care of in the house, we're not going to take it up. that's why they should have taken their time. they should have dealt with all of these witnesses and new evidence in the house. it's not really our job. what do you say to that argument? >> well, listen, it's an argument that i raised with you earlier this week because theoretically, if they'd litigated, right? if adam schiff and company had litigated to demand the appearance of bolton, giuliani, mick mulvaney, perhaps by now that would have run its course and the testimony would have been included in the record. this is such a complicated
picture now for not the least of which reason is that we are, what? 19 or so days away from americans actually voting -- casting their first ballots in iowa. and the juxtaposition of people voting and this still taking place. i think that aides the white house argument that americans are capable of resolving all of this at the ballot box. but the new developments i think today lend credence to the view that the senate needs to take account of more than just that which was in the record for the house. >> it's interesting, michael. i always respect your ability to step back and reassess things as new information comes out. and this is new. it really is. and i'm surprised my ability to continue to be surprised by these developments that keep on happening. michael, there was a notion and this notion was put forth in some reporting. before this came out.
>> i think i said that earlier in the week. be careful what you wish for. because there's this caricature that has been created of hunter biden being a very troubled and ill equipped individual. he graduates from yale law. the only interview i saw was on abc and i thought he comported himself well. so the idea that we'll put hunter biden into the well of the senate and, boy, that will really throw a monkey wrench in. that might not be the case. it's possible he comes off as credible. people may question the amount of money that he was paid, but they may take a look at him and say where exactly is the beef? >> that's interesting you say that. because what some have suggested on the other side is that
democrats should be careful what they wish for. who knows what john bolton if they end up getting him in the hot seat too. i take your point, anything is possible with witnesses and that's part of the appeal of wanting witnesses at trials. michael smer con iish, thank you for all of the analysis. so there was this awkward finish to last night's debate with sanders and warren. she rebuffed him. what does that mean about this feud between warren and sanders and how do voters feel? >> and dozens of people including school children injured after a plane dumps jet fuel on them during an emergency landing. yes, you heard that right. how could this happen? coming up.
people were killed. after days of denial, iran has admitted to mistakenly shooting down the plane. but this video raises new questions. nic robertson joins us now with the latest. two missiles, nick, spaced out by a significant period of time hear. what do you see? >> reporter: yeah. there were two big takeaways from this, john. one is we get a sense of just the horrible tragedy of this aircraft being shot down. passengers on board now it seems. and there's about 20 seconds between the two missiles hitting the aircraft. there was clearly this extended period of horror on board the aircraft. the other issue this gets to is the iranian authorities, the president has only once said that it was missiles involved. he said that right at the beginning. and since then the narrative have both politicians and military commanders in iran has been it was a single missile.
the battery commander said they had ten seconds to make a decision whether it was a plane or an incoming u.s. missile being fired at them. now we find they had a second opportunity of 20 seconds to make a another determination. you have to wonder whether the plane could have survived. the president of iran now saying they have to be honest, they have to be truthful saying the investigation has to be thorough. one of the iranian state media stations -- tv stations is saying that the people of iran need transparency. but it's not clear that that's actually what they're getting here at the moment. and a last line from the iranian president today speaking about the border issues in the middle east. he said that american traps are unsafe. and tomorrow the european forces may also be insecure. that's a warning. john, alisyn? >> okay, nic, thank you for updating that important story. here in the u.s., the faa is investigating why a delta flight
with engine trouble dumped jet fuel over a five smile swath of los angeles dousing dozens of children at several schools with toxic fuel. nick watt is live in l.a. with more. how did this happen, nick? >> well, alisyn, the plane was only a few miles into its flight when it reported engine trouble. it had to lose weight to safely make an emergency landing. the resul >> reporter: those aren't vapor trails. that's jet fuel. enough to fly all the way to shanghai dumped from low altitude over one of the most popular cities in the country. >> the plane was coming over and it was raining gasoline. >> reporter: the fuel hit schools and people here. kids were out on the playground. >> i was scared. we just went inside.
>> reporter: 20 kids here were hit. they were confused, panicked. one kid said it felt like rain but he couldn't see any clouds. >> within four minutes we had units on scene. we have approximately 40 to 50 firefighters here. everything from paramedics, ambulances assisting. >> reporter: how did this happen? flight 89 to shanghai took off at 11:30 a.m. then delta had an engine issue requiring the aircraft to return to l.a.x. the release of fuel was required as part of normal procedure to reach a safe landing weight. >> it got in my eye. and i'm blurred. >> reporter: the statement notes that delta shares concerns regarding reported minor injuries to adults and children at a school in the area. >> i started, like, my skin was,
like, itchy. >> reporter: thankfully nothing a little soap and water couldn't cure. everyone was okay. now, it's not uncommon for aircraft to dump fuel, but by law they're supposed to do it in certain designated areas away from populations and also a lot higher so that fuel atomizes before it reaches the ground. but these were emergency circumstances. as you mentioned, the faa and also delta say they are still investigating. guys? >> that's really interesting, nick. i didn't know that there were designated areas. if you're in an emergency, you just dump the fuel wherever you can, i thought. but this shows us that there's obvious repercussions on the ground. nick, thank you very much. all right. this cnn debate last night, the final debate before the iowa caucuses. which candidate got the most out of it? and what to make of the incredibly tense moment between elizabeth warren and bernie sanders just after the debate?
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three of the top tier democratic presidential candidates will head back to washington to be jurors in the senate impeachment trial against president trump. what does that mean for their chances in iowa? joining us now we have m.j. lee and jonathan martin. they both spent ample time in iowa to answer any of the questions we might throw at them. so, this is unfortunate taming for these senators. just when they want to be making their final case in iowa, they're going to be doing the work of the senate impeachment trial and will this set them back? >> it's going to be a pretty wild split screen for the final weeks of this caucus in a way we haven't seen in past campaigns where of course the candidates
are in iowa having events for 14 hours a day in the final, you know, days before iowa. and so that is different. i don't know that it the hugely detrimental. here's why. whether it's iowa or anywhere else, voters these days consume information on their phones like we do watching tv. news and information gets to them. and are there going to be some people who could use a one final look at a candidate in person before making their choice? of course. it's going to be helpful to be there. i just don't know that it's as damaging as it would have been 30 years ago in the caucus where so much of this was up close and personal. i think a lot more of it now is based on screens. let's be honest, these candidates are going to be on screens quite a bit. >> but talking about something that iowa voters in person and in polls tell us repeatedly isn't one of their top issues. they want to talk about health care, farming, other things. and i will say that for me some
of the more memorable events for candidates in iowa have been in the nights before the actual caucuses. i was at a bernie sanders event. it was at iowa state four years ago where he was with vampire weekend and the guy from the hunger games and there were 15,000 screaming people. that could be an organizing moment for these campaigns to get people for the caucuses. >> especially in a state like iowa, there is just endless appetite with the voters there to see these candidates in person. i mean, the number of times that you speak with somebody and they'll say, you know, this is the fourth event for ex-candidates that i've been to. or this is the fourth candidate i've seen this week. these voters in iowa obviously take this job of being the first state to vote very, very seriously. i think jonathan is right too of course there are going to be those people who would like the final in-person look at these candidates. i think that's why it's important for them to sort of come up with creative ways to make sure they're reaching
voters on their screens and making sort of memorable moments when they're having to spend all this time in washington, d.c. >> it's the old john mccain joke. you think of mccain opinine vot asks another and she says i don't know i've only met him five times. so i want to bounce off of you some post-debate analysis that our friends said last night after watching the debate. he did not feel that the candidates on stage, those six, wl had enough fire power to beat president trump. so listen to this. >> to see those two have that level of vitriol was dispir dispiriting. democrats got to do better than what we saw tonight. there was nothing to take donald trump out. >> so obviously he was talking about warren and sanders at the beginning there. but is there that feeling in
iowa having spent so much time as you both have is this is there any talk of that that democrats are worried? >> there's talk generally about can we beat trump. i'm not sure that the candidate performance at one debate is going to matter much. but i think certainly the overriding topic in this campaign is who can beat trump. which is why that debate last night eventually got straight to the heart of the matter of who up here is the best equipped candidate to defeat the president. look, for a lot of voters, that is the only issue in this race. how do we find someone that can beat the president. i think where it gets complicated is we don't know the answer to that. it's not claer. and if you look at the last two presidents who were elected, these conventional questions about who can and can't win often tames are more complex than they perhaps seem on paper. that's why it's hard to figure out. but no. that is the key question. i can't recall an election where going into the primary were one
policy shaw. by far the dominating question on the minds of voters was the old al davis line. just win, baby. and who can do it. >> i have to say m.j., that was hanging over almost every answer from every question from each candidate in the debate. electability. even in the standoff between bernie and warren. elizabeth warren made it about more than just a conversation that she says she had with bernie sanders. >> that's right. and i thought her answer really captured this juggling act for women who are elected officials or in positions of leadership. the juggling act they have when they talk about this issue, right? on the one hand, they want to have this healthy discussion about issues of sexism or the obstacles that women face that men do not. but at the same time you bring that up and you fear that even bringing that up will remind certain people that, yeah, women
do have these challenges. and that could mean for some people, translate to some people as maybe a woman can't win. and i think that's why warren and klobuchar leaned really hard into this idea of women can win and we are examples of those women. here are the races that we have won. it very much was about electability. it wasn't just about gender. you're right. >> yeah. she was trying to make the best of a story she didn't necessarily want to keep going. becaus because she wanted to sort of broaden the topic. and she also wanted to address what she basically called last night the elephant in the room. you know, this is on the minds of voters, she acknowledged. so let's go ahead and address this straight on. and so i think that she was trying to pivot off the bernie conversation narrowly and try and talk about this broader topic that is looming over her campaign. you hear it all the time about senator warren. very impressive, like the ideas, i'm just not sure she's going to
win. she has sort of slipped through the polls. going straight at the process like she did last night. she knows that she's got to reassure iowans yes i could take on trump and beat trump. >> okay. thank you both very much. coming up in just minutes, we will have three of the candidates who were on stage last night. we have pete buttigieg, tom steyer, and amy klobuchar. stick around nar. all right. it is a snow day for seattle school kids. heavy know forcing public schools to close. more than 10 million people under winter storm warnings and advisories across the west. i want you to take a look at this. a violent storm in north carolina riffed the roof off of a school gym. oh, my. you can see the students and teacher running for cover there. three students were hurt. cnn meteorologist chad myers now
with the forecast. >> those cameras are now set up everywhere now bringing in devastating video there. we are going to see rain across the southeast today. still the snow in the northwest. this weather is brought to you by celebrity cruises. develop to celebrity.com and book your award-winning vacation today. chicago, you're going to get an ice event. not big, but it's enough to slow down o'hare for sure. right now eastern iowa is a mess. from this all the way to iowa city. i-80 is closed in spots. this will be a rain event when it gets to new york. at least it won't be piling up. you won't have to shovel 36. it does get colder for the weekend. that's when the next storm system tries to get there. it looks lake the northeast will start to get snow around 4:00 and then all of a sudden it warms up. so you're going to get some know. it's going to be right there in your face and rain on top of it. wait for it to go away.
you won't have to shovel at least most of you. you will have to involve 4 to 8 inches in some spots. >> okay, chad. thank you very much. so we keep hearing about how nancy pelosi is sending the articles of impeachment to the senate. what does that mean? what does that look like? what are you all going to see today? we have an expert who has been on the front line of this in the past impeachments. he's going to tell us how this will enfold. i love the new myww program, because it's tailored to you!
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impeachment, this is the moment you have been waiting for. president trump was impeached about a month ago. since then, the senate has been waiting for next steps. today, those begin. what will we see? one man knows better than most. he is the former senate parliamentarian, during the clinton impeachment. he is a cnn contributor. he will walk us through everything. thank you very much for being here. we have a graphic that i think you have helped us with of what we're going to see next. let's go through it. and you can give us the color of what's going to happen, because you have lived this. >> i would be delighted do that. >> number one, the house notifies the senate it has approved the managers.
who will do that notifying? >> it could be a clerk of the house. they do have clerks that carry messages back and forth between the two bodies. but odds are, it will be the managers themselves. >> okay. we will find out today who those will be. >> right. we will find out. >> next, the senate responds that it's ready to receive the articles of impeachment. is that mitch mcconnell? who is going to say they're ready to receive them? >> there will be a unanimous consent agreement directing the secretary of the senate pursuant to the senate impeachment rules to notify the house of representatives that the senate is ready to receive its managers. sometimes that order specifies that the managers arrive the next day, as was the case in the clinton trial. but the order could specify that the managers either can remain in the chamber and exhibit the articles or return to the chamber and exhibit the articles later that day. >> okay. >> this is truly up to the
senate. >> here is where the action begins. this is where the house managers march to the senate to deliver the articles. and we happen to have that very moment from december 19, 1998, which you will remember well. let's watch the delivering of the articles. >> will you hold this? thank you. >> thank you, mr. chairman. as secretary and on behalf of the senate, i accept these under the official record of the senate for deliberation later on. >> very polite exchange there. is that how it's going to go today? >> the unique situation was the house adopted the articles of impeachment when the senate adjourned for the year. so the senate itself was not in session to receive the articles. the secretary of the senate, the chief administrative officer of the senate in that instance physically received the articles of impeachment from the chairman
of the house judiciary committee who is the primary manager on the part of the house. the senate is in session now, and so this delivery should take place on the floor of the senate in open session. we will wait and see who the chairman is, who the head manager is. and my guess is he will hand the articles possibly to the senate's presiding officer. >> and we will see if it's done as much decorum and politeness as then. then there's the ceremonial moment where the sergeant at arms says hear ye, hear ye. we have that moment. watch this. >> hear ye, hear ye, all persons are commanded to keep silent on pain of imprisonment while the house of representatives is exhibiting to the senate of the united states articles of impeachment against william jefferson clinton. >> wait a minute. all persons are commanded to
keep silent on pain of imprisonment? what happens if somebody is not silent? >> i have recently spoken with a current senator who is very excited about the prospect of having some of his colleagues arrested if they speak. >> who is that? >> he said it with a bit of a smile. but it's the senate and you never know. that could happen. >> who wants to have his colleagues arrested? >> well, i will not spill the beans. if he wants to come forward, he can. the point there is that in a senate trial, senators are really supposed to remain silent. there's no debate in order. the only time they get to debate is whether they close tn they cr deliberation. senators may not speak generally in an impeachment trial. >> that will be very interesting. quickly, one of the managers will read the articles aloud. senators will escort the chief justice into the chamber. that will be a dramatic moment. >> is it a truly dramatic
moment. the gravity of the situation is bou borne out of the fact that the head of the judicial branch is presiding in the senate over the impeachment trial of the head of the executive branch. it is a monumentally solemn event, and it really does underscore the gravity of the situation. >> senator grassley will administer the trial oath to the chief justice. the chief justice will say the same oath to the senators. the senators will sign the impeachment trial oath book and then the trial can start. thank you very much. you are a very unique person to talk to in terms of having lived through all of this. thanks for walking us through it. >> i'm delighted to relive all these experiences. >> i bet you are. thank you very much. >> you are welcome. >> i'm curious about mass arrests if they all start talking. flight delays and cancellations at melbourne
airplane as the haze limits visibility. the fire is causing issues at the australian open. will ripley live in australia with the latest details. will? >> reporter: yeah. that smoke plume we saw as we were flying in here to melbourne, that has been blowing in here to the city. you can see the haze behind me. there was rain earlier. it cleared things out for a little while. as soon as the rain stopped, the haze came back in. combine this kind of air pollution with the temperatures that are expected to soar over 100 degrees, imagine having to play tennis in that for two, three hours. it's grueling conditions. that's why we had a tennis player during her qualifying match break into a coughing fit and collapse with cameras rolling. had to call off the match. others were called off as well. not the optics the organizers are hoping for. it's happening at a difficult time for this country with more than 100 fires burning, many of them out of control right now.
when you have visible smoke in the air and players saying that by the second round they can actually feel it in their chest, it's not only potentially dangerous for them but also potentially dangerous for the tens of thousands of fans that are going to be here watching the play this weekend. australia is dealing with a very tough time. this sporting event is supposed to be a unifying, powerful moment for the country. they are facing a crisis here, a crisis on the front lines of the bush fires and also trying to figure out if it's going to be safe for people who are going to be playing tennis here this weekend. >> thank you. >> will ripley for us in australia. thank you very much. thanks for watching. for you, "c n n nuc fl n ne"cnn continues for our interenationa viewers. it's incomprehensible that i would think a woman could not be president. >> can a woman beat donald trump? the only people who have won
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