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in iowa at their word. i'm sure they would not have wished this kind of delay on anyone. so the data i'm sure will prove out. they have a record of most all of it. a lot of it happened in public. >> as you know, john, no official results are not stopping the candidates from drawing their own conclusions. some of the candidates are already claiming victory like pete buttigieg. here he is moments ago talking to voters in nassua, new hampshire. president trump and his campaign are trying to seize on the moment by mocking the chaos in iowa ahead of tonight's state of the union address. we'll get into that, too. >> all right. i want to go straight to jeff zeleny. he's got breaking news from iowa on what you're hearing, jeff, from the iowa democratic party. give us that news. >> well, john, i wish i could report the iowa party has results but that is not the
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case. i talked to a variety of officials from presidential campaigns this morning. they say they are still in the dark. they have not heard any updates overnight from the iowa democratic party. they do not know the timing or the scope of the release of these results. the last word they heard from them was in a conference call a short, intense conference call shortly after midnight. so since then, they've not been updating them. we do not know if they've been counting throughout the evening. we do not know if -- exactly what the state of play is. we're in the room, the building where the democratic party's war room was. so far we've not seen any democratic officials here. so we're, frankly, in a waiting game as well. but it's the presidential campaigns and candidates themselves that are spinning these results. notably, of all the questions being raised here, the tone from the biden campaign so different from the other campaigns. you were interviewing a top biden campaign official, john, just a short time ago. and they were raising
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significant questions about the results here. just anecdotally and reporting on the ground, it's clear that former vice president was not viable in many precincts talking to several of his supporters and advisers here. they do believe he had a disappointing showing here. he perhaps dodged a bit of a bullet here as he goes into new hampshire. of all the questions that remain, one is the irregularities. what exactly does that word mean, irregularities. how irregular are these? is it something more than just essentially a reconciling and calling them via numbers. i wish i had more to report in terms of numbers. candidates, voters and the public kept in the dark at this hour in des moines as the sun comes up. john? >> with apologies to lin-manuel miranda. jeff zeleny in the room where it doesn't happen with the democratic party. and nothing new to report from them. interesting they're continuing their silence. really appreciate it.
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joining us now, karen finney, a former senior spokesperson for the hillary clinton campaign. cnn political commentator democratic strategist david begala, david gregory. you just heard jeff zeleny reforea conversation i had with the deputy campaign manager for joe biden. i want you to listen to how directly and emphatically she is questioning the fairness of the iowa count. >> we have real concerns about the integrity of the process. and i think there were some significant failures in the process last night that should give voters concern. you obviously had the app failure. the app that precinct captains were using to report in their results failed. you had the phone system where precinct captains got reports of them being frustrated, not able to report their results, hanging up. and the presidential preference cards which are the paper trail for the app which we already
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know failed. so i think taken together, those are significant concerns. >> all right. paul begala, decode that for me. why is that the message coming from the biden campaign this morning? >> because they didn't like the results, i'm sure. they don't know them yet, but they know they have supporters and volunteers in these caucuses. i hope this is not the new normal that those who feel like -- and i don't have any results. maybe campaigns who feel like they didn't do well, instead of owning it and moving forward, trying to do better in the next state or getting out, we can say, oh, it's rigged. a lot of that in 2016. poor donald trump who was trying to say the game was rigged in 2016 and he was so sure he was going to lose. first time you've heard the winner say the system was rigged. a lot of complaining from the sanders campaign in 2016. it wasn't. he just couldn't get the support in the african-american community. they are working hard on that
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this time and they'll do a lot better. i don't like hearing a democrat say that immediately. we need transparency. the deputies brought the results from the battle of marathon to athens faster in 490 bc. how hard can it be, iowa? >> they did not meet the viability threshold when he arrived. the worst greek humor. what did you hear from the biden campaign, and why? >> i touched base with the democratic party because i used to be the dnc communications director and having both been in a campaign and at the dnc, the iowa caucus is always a challenge. and as paul said, this year, they were trying to do some new reforms to have better transparency. it's really unfortunate there were these glitches because the reforms, there's a whole reform commission. senator sanders had people on that commission, secretary clinton and others in the party.
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they came up with what seemed like a really good plan. now they're at the backup plan and it sounds like they do expect to be able to report results later today. and i agree with paul. unfortunately, i don't like hearing people say the data may have -- there may be a problem with the results because as far as we can tell, two things, one, the campaigns should all have a sense from the people, their precinct captains of people they had in the rooms in the caucus sites. they should have a sense of what happened on the ground. there are totals. and it's my understanding they are trying to make sure when you have a glitch one night then the next day you really want to make sure you get it right. but here's the reality. every campaign was going to spin why last night was great for them or didn't matter. so i'm not surprised to be hearing versions of that today and we move on to new hampshire. and, look, the most important thing about iowa really tends to be about momentum, fund-raising. you're still going to see that
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coming out of new hampshire and the most important thing, it's about the delegate allocation. >> right. again, we don't know any of it. we don't know any of the results. and notwithstanding what we heard from kate bedingfield. they are just trying to get it right. notion what kate was saying, leaning in to questioning whether the results will be fair, there are supporters of bernie sanders who have done the same thing. go on social media last night and there are people spinning theories that somehow iowa is going to be good for bernie sanders so they decided to spike the results overnight. these are the theories floating out there with just no proof at all this morning. >> and you can't really blame them when you watch the way the process unfolded last time and the dnc put their thumb on the scales for hillary clinton. that was revealed in some of the internal leaks that came out. and you had a poll that had a spike on saturday that happened to be good for bernie sanders and this result looks like it would have been good for bernie sanders and that doesn't come out as well. you can't really blame them for
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being suspicious of party officials who have no use for them or for their movement. but i don't want to miss what should be, probably, the big headline today. judging by the posture of kate bedingfield and your interview, not only talking about calling into question the results and, look, it's a long road ahead, look toward south carolina and nevada and supporters around the biden campaign and the entry results and the anecdotal reports on the ground. the bottom could be dropping out of the biden campaign. he really needed to do well in iowa in order to fund-raise. this is a guy who even though he's been the front-runner in the polls has not had the num goers back that up. you're talking about states like california and texas where you need a massive ground game and a lot of money. this is not going to get it done for him. so that firewall which already seemed to be shrinking rapidly may be in real trouble for the purported front-runner here. >> maybe. maybe.
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the problem with not knowing is we don't know, right? no official results yet. we have to wait and see. and it's so variable with the delegate allocation. the variance between the first preference and equivalent state delegate can be very high. david gregory, veteran of many an iowa caucus in coverage, was this the last one? does this put the nail in the coffin of the iowa caucuses? >> it very well may. there's already been complaints from democrats about iowa voters being out of step with the rest of the democratic party and in a social media age, debacles like this can be very difficult to recover from because i don't know what's worse in this age of campaigning, being late or being wrong because to have results be late and then you move on, paul said it earlier this morning. it will get eclipsed so quickly. the campaigning already starts. we'll have a debate, we'll have results. we'll see where the campaigns are. i do think that what krystal
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said it important. just by the behavior of the biden campaign this morning, without knowing the results, you sense their disappointment in their spin. there's going to be a question about fund-raising. but the reality in this muddle this morning is that once we really started voting, the democratic field has to start to narrow. has to start to winnow. that's not happening yet because we have no way to really move forward. in the days ahead may help to clarify that, but it may take time. on the fund-raising point you also have mike bloomberg out there with plenty of money waiting for a more moderate candidate to bottom out which further complicates all of this and the president who is going to sit back in the state of the union address and say what's wrong with these democrats. >> if i could jump in on that point. the person -- very viquickly -- that it still benefits to have a muddle is bernie sanders.
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why weren't republicthey able t him last time? they are all splitting the vote of the more moderate centivity establishment friendly voters is a good thing for bernie sanders. it means he only needs like 25%, 30% of the vote to be the nominee. >> although one of the unanswered questions out of iowa and truly unanswered is, did bernie sanders meet the very high expectations that the bernie sanders campaign was setting going in? we don't know. the buttigieg campaign is suggesting that maybe they'll end up with the most delegates. there's no way to know based on the reporting from the campaigns because they're not reliable sources on this. they want to put the best spin on it. i have one piece of important news here which is the iowa democratic party just told cnn they will be coming out with a statement shortly. i promise you, we will await that statement. but the last time they told us they were coming out with a statement and did make a statement, the statement was, we are nothing for you.
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paul begala, let's talk about pete buttigieg. he did something notable last night. he delivered a victory speech. with no results. what do you get out of that? >> i think it's very smart. he knows more than we do because he's got volunteers and supporters in all of those caucuses. all the campaigns do. it's a very smart move. you have to go on. the whole point of iowa is election night. that's when the cameras are on you. more media than delegates by a mile. only 41 pledged delegates coming out of iowa out of a total of 3,979. only 41 that come out of the iowa caucus. it's important for media, for momentum, for money. so i like the fact that buttigieg and amy klobuchar did some of this as well, jump out quickly and say,y, i actually did win, even though we have no idea if they did. >> that's right. >> i just have to say, karen, it is just having been in new
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hampshire between iowa and new hampshire many times, this day is gone. i mean, this is the day when the winner of iowa comes here and preens and now that's gone. i don't know what the effect will be before next tuesday. >> well, it is, although, remember, normally what we would do is, yes, the person who wins iowa, remember, last cycle in 2016, we were looking at coin tosses all over the state which was horrifying as we tried to figure out what happened. paul is exactly right. it's about the election night and then you move on to new hampshire and, look, particularly given that we've got nunou it's not just iowa and new hampshire. nevada and south carolina and then we move to super tuesday and as david pointed out when we hit super tuesday rkt, we'll se what the bloomberg factor looks like in all of this. it's reasonable to expect you have some momentum coming out of last night but we've also got the vote on impeachment, the state of the union, so i think it was always going to feel a little muddled. and the most important thing is they get the numbers right.
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it does not sound to me as though what they are saying certainly is that they feel confident in the data. we'll find out how many delegates were allocated. if i'm a candidate, that's what really matters to me and bill clinton did in 1992, you can always declare victory after new hampshire as the comeback kid, right? you can win any time, right? that's how -- the way this -- >> i will say if the choice is between late and wrong, i have a sense the iowa democratic party would choose late. don't go far. we are getting a statement from the iowa democratic party hopefully soon. stick around. coming up on "new day," shortly, exactly. coming up on new day, the former south bend mayor pete buttigieg who declared victory last night, he will join me here. alisyn? >> that's another way to handle it. you can just always declare victory. i'm sure you'll ask him about all of that, john. so the state of the union address is poised to pack some surprises. one democratic leader is
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deliver his state of the union address tonight. so a lot is happening today. joining us to talk about it, democratic congresswoman katherine clark. she has endorsed elizabeth warren for president. i'm sure you wish you knew where elizabeth warren came in last night. >> yes, along with many others wish that we had results. it's incredibly frustrating and so disappointing for all the candidates and their supporters who have worked so hard over the past year just to end up with absolutely no results. but i can tell you this. having been to new hampshire many times now, the energy among democrats is high. they take this decision very seriously. they are evaluating the candidates. but i feel very good about where the democratic party and voters are as we start the primary process officially next week.
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>> well, that's interesting to hear because the voter turnout was not that high last night. it was, i think, the same as 2016 which was something like, i don't know, 25% down, 30% down from a high of 2008. how do you explain that iowa didn't see a big voter turnout? >> i think that we are going to see where the numbers are when we have the full picture. but it is palpable when you are in the neighborhoods talking to voters. they are taking this decision very seriously because they know what's at stake. they know that we have a president who is going to be addressing the nation tonight, and they want to know why is he in court trying to take away protection from people with pre-existing conditions. why is he proposed cutting medicare and medicaid for our seniors, for our children? why is he rolling back clean water regulations? why is he refusing to handle the
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climate crisis? these are the questions that are very much on the voters' minds. these are what they're going to be demanding answers from donald trump as we move through this election process. >> as you know, president trump sometimes goes off script and so it's hard to predict with any certainty what exactly he'll say at the state of the union. what do you expect? >> you know, i don't expect him unfortunately to answer those questions. i think we'll hear more of his glossing over of the real issues facing families. and i know i'm bringing a guest tonight rowena chu who is an advocate and survivor of harvey weinstein. she's going to talk about, let's make every workplace safe and fair for everyone because it's an economic issue when you fear harassment and abuse in the workplace.
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so these are the type of issues that we are going to be demanding accountability and transparency. the american people want congress to work, and this week, it's going to survive. we are asking the president, we are asking mitch mcconnell, there's the action on the two bills we sent to the senate almost a year ago that can help save lives and put forth common sense protections for our communities. >> i was talking about the surprises that can always unfold at a state of the union. and i think you just described one that you are -- will be responsible for and that is bringing a harvey weinstein accuser. that is a provocative choice for the state of the union. >> well, i see it as one of great common sense. we know and rowena will be working with me that we have to change the laws. we have to even the imbalance of power.
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and i think it takes great bravery of her to come forward. not only against harvey weinstein but against president trump who faces multiple allegations of harassment and even rape. so it is time that we say we have to look at how everybody has success in this country. how we create opportunities for every family. and that's about affordable child care. that's about making sure that every workplace is safe and respectful. that is about making sure that we have educational opportunities for everyone and that everyone in this country can afford quality and sensible health care. >> katherine clark, we appreciate you previewing all of this with us. thanks for being on "new day." >> thank you. here's what else to watch today.
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as we have been reporting, there's been a delay this morning in learning the results from the iowa caucuses. does it put the entire future of the caucus process in question? we discuss that next. as a struggling actor,
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breaking news -- nothing. no winner yet out of the iowa caucuses. this morning the iowa democratic party blames reporting inconsistencies. now cnn has been told that the iowa democratic party is going to issue a statement shortly. and it does come as key democratic voices are calling for the end of the iowa caucuses. listen. >> i would get rid of all the caucuses first of all. they're undemocratic process. people don't have the time to go spend the time like you heard. go vote, pull the curtain, vote, then leave. that's the democratic way.
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>> that's a former chair of the democratic national committee, terry mcauliffe. joining me is another former chair and presidential candidate himself, howard dean. governor dean, thank you for being with us. where do you stand this morning? do you stand with terry mcauliffe on this ending the iowa caucuses? >> basically, yes, but -- let me be realistic here. if there's a democratic president, nothing is going to change. no incumbent democrat is going to want to upset the apple cart for the system that nominated them. second of all, two problems here. one of them has to do with new hampshire as well. these states should not have a lock on what goes first. it's foolish because, first of all, they don't represent the same demographic as the united states and not the democratic party. they have a voter suppression law that's allied to out of state college students. that's one of our core constituency groups is young people. we're going to have to redo all
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of this. and i don't think it's bad to have caucuses, but they really have to have polling throughout the day. and it has to be a real primary. that's undemocratic. even the iowans will tell you that. >> as a former party chair, i'm dying to know what your feelings were as you were watching this unfold last night. remember, the iowa democratic party as nia-malika henderson said last night, you have one job. you have one job. to count these votes. >> well, look, i've been campaigning in iowa. i like iowa. i like the people. they take this really seriously. they work hard at it. but it's just not a good system. it's fun. and you really do want to start with small states. the last thing i'm in favor of is putting in a big state first where television can buy you votes. that's just not right. i like the person-to-person campaigning in iowa and new hampshire. i don't want to get rid of them entirely but they have to be
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matched with states much more diverse which is one of the reasons i put south carolina and nevada up front when i was chairman. >> the flip side of this argument is something you also hear overnight which is, look, take california for instance. it often takes weeks to tabulate all the votes from california congressional districts. so maybe it's not that unusual that iowa just wanted to get this right. >> no, they did the right thing. if you have a lousy count you certainly don't want to go out with that. rick santorum can tell you all about that when mitt romney essentially erased santorum theae bid for president by winning the iowa caucus only to find out a week later that santorum won the caucuses. so, you know, this is a major, major problem and the truth is that primaries are easy to count up. and the reason california has problems because of absentee ballots. principally. and overseas ballots. and it's an enormous state.
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that's one reason you do not want to start with a big state. >> i want to get your take on how the campaigns have been handling this, this morning, each in their own way. pete buttigieg actually declared victory last night with no official results. so that's one way to handle it. declare victory before any results are actually reported. another way is to handle it like the biden campaign has been doing. kate bedingfield was here on "new day" and she questioned the fairness of the iowa count. the leyet iimacy of the count. what do you think? >> i think that's wrong. listen, let me just be -- i'm not in favor any of particular candidate because i'm running a big project. whoever wins is going to benefit say when you don't think you've done well. all these campaigns have some idea how they've done. i don't think any of them can legitimately say they won, but they all know how they've done because they all have trackers at all of these places. it sounds like the vice
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president didn't do as well as he hoped. and i think to question the legitimacy of the count is wrong. i know iowa well. those people do not cheat. >> who has the most to prove. given that we don't know who did what in iowa as we sit here today in new hampshire and this is somewhere you've been. who has what to prove going into the new hampshire primary one week today? >> who can win in new england? it's a mostly all-white state and without as much help from young people as they would have liked because of the new hampshire voter suppression, that's all this is really worth. the fact that new hampshire wouldn't matter if it wasn't first and they know that which is why they resisted. but unless we win, unless the democrats won you'll see pretty much rearchitecture of the nominating process.nk there wil more focus? there's a big debate here friday night. do you think there will be more
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focus on bernie sanders than there has been in the campaign to date? >> couldn't be much more than there has been already. he's one of the front-runners for sure. new hampshire as they were to me, is extremely kind to next door neighbors, although they wouldn't be today after what i just said about the new hampshire primary. but, no, i expect new englanders leak new englanders and are comfortable with new englanders. i expect this is a place that the massachusetts and the vermont senators will do well. but this is a proving ground for other people. the one thing that's interesting is there are probably four or five tickets out of iowa. the top three. i think this is such a complicated primary that you may have five people coming out of iowa as legitimate candidates and then new hampshire will help sort that out. >> yeah, if there's no results out of iowa, why would there be any limits to the tickets? >> governor howard dean, always an education to speak to you. thank you for joining us.
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so, this morning, what we don't know out of iowa is any official results, like at all. the iowa democratic party has yet to report anything. but thankfully, we do know something about who showed up and what they cared about. and that's important. not just for last night but going forward. it all comes from the entrance polls. joining me is cnn's senior politics writer and analyst harry enten. i'm glad you're here, and i'm glad we have the much often-aligned entrance and exit polls. >> thank you, but -- >> tell white house show us who. >> those under the age of 45 who support bernie sanders in large numbers would make up a large portion of the electorate.
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what did the entrance poll show? there was that jump in that under the age of 45 vote and that's very, very important for bernie sanders, especially going forward if that's something we continue seeing. however, if you also look at the ideological breakdown, politicals versus moderates to conservatives, that looks the same exact as it did in 2016. that's a bad sign for bernie sanders. so when you take those two things into account, right, that there were more younger people but just as many liberals that came out to caucus last night, that's good news for bernie sanders and bad news for bernie sanders. it's particularly bad news for joe biden who really needed those older voters who make up a larger portion of the electorate. >> the turnout was not particularly high. >> no, it wasn't particularly high. if you go back to four years ago, what the iowa democratic party has said, it's about the same exact turnout. it's not as strong as in 2008. supposed to be all this excitement around the democratic party wanting to beat donald trump and this isn't the only
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data point that shows that. if we look at the special elections we've seen so far in 2019 and 2020, and compare it to the 2016 base line, what we see is that democrats are overperforming at a lower level than between 2017 and 2018. so when you take those two data points and put them together, maybe there's a little enthusiasm problem for democrats going forward. >> they point to the governors races and they were good for democrats but maybe not representative in the same way the special elections, congressional races were. let's talk about new hampshire. it's a lot easier to talk about what happens out of iowa when you have results. >> yes. >> out of iowa. but what do we know about who is doing what here? >> so if you -- i took harry's average of the polls going into this. bernie sanders was top at 25%. biden 17%. warren 14%, buttigieg 13% and klobuchar at 7%. if bernie sanders comes out of
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iowa and wins, that's very good news for him but that's not clear at this point. this was a state bernie sanders won overwhelmingly last time and the polls show he's at least out ahead. >> what kind of bounce does one tend to get out of iowa? >> i looked since 1980. just before the iowa caucuses and just after. if you win in iowa, the medium bounce the winners get out of iowa is three points. also expectations are key. when forever every point that you outperform in iowa, you in new hampshire you get a half a percentage. for every point you underperform, you lose a half a point. john kerry got the biggest bounce. he won in iowa and greatly outperformed the polling and that's something we have to see for pete buttigieg. >> and bernie sanders. >> expectations very high. the bar very high. we don't know if they met it. he may have ended up with the most votes or most delegates. who knows. >> if you look at this graphic
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on the screen, what do you see? you see that bernie sanders has a little more than a 50% chance of winning. look at that bottom line there. it says no iowa bounce taken into account. so this graphic doesn't take any account the bounce and these odds could change dramatically overnight. right now if bernie sanders is the favorite at least in new hampshire without the bounce being taken into account. >> harry enten, thanks for being with us. >> we don't know who won the iowa caucuses, but pete buttigieg declared victory anyway. he joins me live, next. we made usaa insurance for members like martin.
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results. former mayor of south bend pete buttigieg declared victory overnight. listen. >> so we don't know all the results, but we know by the time it's all said and done, iowa, you have shocked the nation. by all indications, we are going on to new hampshire victorious! >> joining me now is presidential candidate, the former mayor of south bend, indiana, pete buttigieg. i feel like i was just speaking to you yesterday, because i was. you said by all indications we're going on to victorious. by all indications except the official count. >> like everybody else, probably more than anybody else, i'm impatient to get the official count but we've also seen the reporting from our own precinct organizations. we've made it public from over
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1200 precinct locations. what we saw is extraordinary. the support we got in rural areas, suburban areas and urban areas, in democratic counties and counties that voted for trump. for a campaign that a year ago, i think a lot of people were questioning what right we even had to do this and to make the attempt. and so it's clearly a vick victory for us as we impatiently wait for some official results from the party. >> i understand declaring a moral victory or beating expectations or being surprised you ever got this far, but it did sound as if you were trying to make the claim that you were the official winner last night. and what are your concerns given the environment, the electoral environment we're in where we just need to trust results. why not wait? >> we're going to hear the official results and that can't come soon enough, but what we saw and what our precinct information revealed is that we have the momentum and stepped on that plane victorious on our way
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to new hampshire. >> do you feel as if you won the most first preference votes or the most state delegate equivalent? >> we've shared the data that we have. and it looks good on all fronts. we're waiting for the official information to come in. but we had an extraordinary night that's propelling us toward a win in new hampshire. we can also tell by the profile of where our support was that we've been able to make good on this idea that the way to build a winning organization now is also what we need to do in order to beat donald trump. to bring as many people as possible into the process to reach out to diehard democrats to reach out to independents and to draw some disaffected republicans over and that will help serve us well in new hampshire. >> if, in fact, you are the winner or a winner by some count, how frustrating is it or was it for you last night not to have that official stamp that says you won? >> well, we wanted to be able to go out and speak to supporters
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with everything fully released and counted. and it is frustrating to put it mildly that even as we speak now we don't have those counts. now the good news is there's a paper trail, a caucus unlike a secret ballot vote happens in the public. so when that official count comes out, it will be very clear it's been verified. but how is it that we are here now in new hampshire, the next day, still waiting for those numbers to come through. >> you'll say it's very clear it's been verified. i had kate bedingfield, the deputy chair of the biden campaign on and it sounded as though the biden campaign was questioning the legitimacy of the count in iowa now. do you have concerns about iowa getting it right at this point? >> well, a caucus happens out in the open. everybody can see it. reporters are there. neighbors are there. people know the exact count in every precinct of how many people stood for each candidate. obviously, they seem to be having some problems that have
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not been explained to us in gathering and processing that data, but it's subject to outside in verification. each campaign may have its account of what happened last night, but there is no question that, for us, it was an extraordinary evening. >> what do you make of the fact the biden campaign is leaning into the idea of the legitimacy of the campaign? >> i'll let the pundits speak to that. >> how do you think you stand in the so-called moderate lane of those running? you say it's the pundits who create these lanes but you made clear there are some running, bernie sanders and elizabeth warren who are running to the left of the party or where you think the party should be. in terms of the people running where you think you should be, where do you stand? >> i think we have established ourselves as the campaign for those who seek to defeat donald trump and unite the country by inviting as many people as possible into this new american majority that we're building. not just around what we're against and the need to have a
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better president than president trump but what we're for. a fair economy, a better life dealing with climate change but doing it in a way that doesn't reject anybody who doesn't agree with us 100% of the time. i think for anybody who is looking for that inclusive kind of campaigning, that it is reaching out to independents and even disaffected republicans, but not budging from our progressive values that motivate us. i think it's very clear from yesterday that we are that campaign. >> based on what happened last night with the process, why should or should not iowa get to go first in the future? >> i think it does raise a lot of questions. let me also say this. having finally come through that entire process where something like 25 candidates from the most famous names in american politics to people like me who hadn't been heard of by most a year ago had to compete. i'll tell you what i like is that campaigning is at its best when you have to look people in the eye, when they are kicking the tires on your ideas and your
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claims in person. when you are in the backyards, the diners, the living rooms because it takes it off the air waves and it's not something that can be bought, it's not something just based on the image you can create. everything about you. good, bad or indifferent. voters have a way of finding. and in particular, in iowa, here in new hampshire, as well as nevada and south carolina, i have come more than ever to admire what happens in these early states as the process gets broken down and as we candidates are forced to answer for what -- >> shrewd to praise the early states when you were campaigning in the early states. >> looking forward to campaigning here in new hampshire which is a state that doesn't like to be told what to do. think for themselves. strong independent streak here. we think that will serve us well. >> what changes for you in the campaign as of today? >> well, i think that even as we wait for the party's results, we have settled the question of whether this campaign can organize and mobilize voters of every background on the biggest
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scale. >> we haven't seen many minority voters. not in iowa or new hampshire yet, correct? >> as we go into different states, there will be different demographics. what we've demonstrated is that this is the campaign. capable of pulling together people across the ideological spectrum, different kinds of regions, urban, rural and suburban. and drawing people into the campaign that is going to go on to defeat donald trump. so the questions of whether we should even be here were answered permanently last night. >> all right. former mayor of south bend, mayor pete buttigieg. we know everything except anything. any official results from iowa. i appreciate you being with us this morning. >> thank you. we are waiting to hear from iowa. the democratic party told us they'd be out with a statement shortly. whether it will be complete or conclusive, i have to say, we just don't know. >> that seems to be a theme this morning. so we'll stand by for that breaking news.
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we didn't expect to be here this morning. but a good morning to you. i'm jim sciutto. >> i'm poppy harlow. what a night. we'll try to explain it to you. welcome to our viewers in the u.s. and around the world. we were supposed to be talking about the results in iowa. instead, no winner has been declared and there's a whole lot of confusion after a meltdown in the reporting process. the iowa democratic party is blaming inconsistencies for the delay and, folks, there are problems with technology this morning. trouble with the app used to tally the caucusgoers. >> imagine that. they're scrambling to count and verify the results. they are taking care here. they'll release them later today. democratic candidates are in the dark about exact timing of those


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