iowa now. even with 100% of the precincts reporting. how can there not be a winner? "new day" continues right now. >> the head of the democratic national committee stunning iowa democratic officials with his call for a full recanvas. >> whatever they need to do to make sure it is clear and verified. >> it is really sad that the democratic party of iowa the counting process. >> i think it's important as the democratic party we have strength. >> touted the headlines as he claimed vind kalgs. >> it worked out. we went through hell unfairly. did nothing wrong. >> you don't get acquitted when you don't even call witnesses. >> we have some that use religion as a crutch. >> senator romney will be favorably remembered by history. this president will not. >> good morning and welcome to your "new day." alisyn is off.

poppy harlow off today. giving 100% today. >> no alarm. >> if you were here for the 6:00 hour, an alarm on poppy's phone went off at 6:00 to wake up. >> good morning, good to be with you. >> breaking overnight. 100% of precincts now reporting in iowa. and still a mess. with all the vote in, former mayor pete buttigieg at least by iowa's count right now holding a razor thin lead over senator bernie sanders. talking about 0.1 of 1%. our own analysis reveals there are errors in the count. the candidates themselves have just a few more hours to challenge the results. there's been no indication that the campaigns as of now want to do so. >> so this comes as the democratic national committee

stepped in and said this. >> this was unacceptable and that's why we still have people on the ground there. we completed the counting last night. and we're going to continue not only to work in iowa. but also to learn the lessons of iowa. >> whoever ends up on top, the democratic candidates are looking ahead to the primary there next week. and the big debate there tonight. now joining us is alex burns. >> also with us, michael smerconish. so you saw the results as they are with 100% of precincts now reporting in iowa and that razor thin lead by pete buttigieg. and we now have some polling out of new hampshire. some post-iowa polling. this is a month moth poll that came out just yesterday and it shows bernie sanders at 24%.

mayor pete buttigieg at 20%. biden 17%. there's some other polling you may have seen out there as well. the basic thing is the trends all say the same thing. buttigieg rising a bit in new hampshire. joe biden seemed to fall a little bit in new hampshire. alex burns, there is a debate tonight in new hampshire. and boy, oh, boy does it seem important. there are candidates who their future in this campaign may hang on this debate tonight. >> that's right. and i think you could make the case that for basically everybody buzz bernie sanders, their fate in this hangs on the debate. this has been seen as a sanders stronghold for a long time. he's from right next door. he dominated the primary here in 2016. and if anybody is going to overtake him here, even pete buttigieg who does have some momentum coming out of iowa is probably going to be on the strength of a powerful debate

performance. that in order for buttigieg to get the rest of the way, he certainly can't lose steam tonight. and for the other candidates on that stage, joe biden, elizabeth warren, amy klobuchar, it's just crucial to make the absolute most out of the opportunity tonight to be side by side with bernie sanders as the sort of home field favorite and mayor buttigieg who is seen i think increasingly as the candidates watch in what we would call the moderate lane if we were going to be cliche about it. >> but we're not. we're not going to be cliche. >> why would we do that? michael, on tonight and specifically what's at stake for joe biden, you said last night on this network joe won't finish in the top two in new hampshire. the question is will he become wounded too early. is there any sort of miracle that he can pull off tonight that could make him not be wounded too early? >> poppy, i've watched every one of these debates. i don't know that any one of them has been a game changer for any of the candidates.

i'm wondering if joe's strategy will be different because of the retreat that you just mentioned. my own criticism of the way he has debated so far is that when -- first of all, this forum and the rapid fire response that it necessitates does not come naturally to him. and when i watch him respond it's as if the wheels are spinning in his mind and he's trying to remember five different things he wants to say in response to whatever the question was. joe needs to be joe. he should stick with themes a la reagan and not facts. because frankly the chips are down now for him. >> the difference for tonight is in past debates, he's been there more or less as the front runner. and now that's very much in question. >> that's a great point. >> you have to approach the debate very differently. also in your paper as well about the last 48 hours in biden world. which included a day not in new

hampshire for joe biden. it included some self-reflection on what went wrong in iowa and how he needs to do things, i guess, differently as of today. what do you think we can expect? >> look. i'm not going to try to get into joe biden's head before the debate tonight. but what i do think we can say is based on all the debates we have seen so far, his performance is pretty consistent. it's within a relatively narrow range of his best debate is not all that different from his worst debate. and so if he can going to have some kind of breakthrough moment under pressure, it's going to be a side of him we've not really seen inside this campaign so far. it's a side of him we've seen in campaigns of the past. joe biden used to be a far more effective televised debater even in the sort of rapid fire format that michael is talking about when he ran previously and not that successfully for president and more successfully for vice president. what we've seen so far in this campaign and i think this is reflected in the way he approached the state of iowa,

the state of new hampshire generally as well. is an unwillingness to take risks and a version to direct conflict he sort of hoped to. you can't sail ahead of mayor pete anymore. and you can't pretend anymore is is not all that relevant to the fate of your campaign. now everybody on that stage is incredibly relevant to joe biden. they're all direct competitors in a way that resisted seeing him so far. >> as we mentioned last hour, in the town hall this week about his family, his jewish faith. something we don't see a lot from him. do americans want more of that from him? do they want more of that from mayor buttigieg?

>> i think now he's perceived by everybody to be legitimately a front runner. can we really see someone go from south bend to the president of the united states? i think among other things, he's got to impress on his foreign policy chops. he's got to show he can sit at a table with vladimir putin and hold his own. >> i do that because it's true. and in the last 24 hours, he picked up the endorsement of new jersey member of congress mikie sherri sherrill. and she was one of the ones that came out in favor of impeachment. on the front lines for possibly democratic vulnerable congressional candidates. and richard spencer the former navy secretary who was pushed out of the administration. and i know endorsements don't

mean everything, but it really does seem that bloomberg is trying to exploit this vacuum right now. >> sure. and i think the evidence so far that he's exploiting it pretty successfully. in addition to the two books he mentioned, he was endorsed by the governor of rhode island. we've seen very, very few sitting democratic governors endorse anybody in this presidential primary. and it's very much an open question about how valuable they really are. these are serious people getting on board with him and certainly people who would not be endorsing someone they saw as a side show candidate or a mirage or just a guy who is spending a lot of money on television ads. i think it's sort of in some ways a lagging indicator of how seriously. my reporting suggests that a likely to happen as joe biden

str strugs as he continues to struggle and those will be more willing to break ranks and go. there is the value of being able to roll out someone on the day the endorse you and say this person is my supporter. what we've started to see bloomberg do is travel around the state of california and put some of these people on television as we get into the bigger supertuesday. more directly competitive for him. >> very quickly, michael, closing thought? >> i think this is the most important story of the day. this idea that michael bloomberg is meeting with major donors saying i don't want your money. i want to introduce myself to you and tell you about my campaign and thereby hopes to freeze them. he's not freezing out bernie money. it's the biden money i think

he's seeking to preclude. >> when alex burns says my reporting will indicate that, my radar goes up. watch "smerconish" saturdays at 9:00 a.m. we have breaking news. a dozen passengers have been isolated on a royal caribbean cruise ship arriving this morning in new jersey. we're talking about new jersey here. the cdc is on hand to test for coronavirus. several ambulances have just left the port in the last few minutes. these pictures from the last few moments. we have a team on the way. we'll bring you more on this story next hour. meanwhile, 61 people have tested positive for coronavirus on that quarantined cruise ship that is docked now off the coast of japan. that includes 11 americans testing positives. that's triple the number that are reported to have contracted this just yesterday. will ripley joins us live again

this morning in japan with more. will? >> hi, poppy, yes. we've been speaking with these customers for a couple of days now. they've been taking videos for us, showing us what their life is like on board the diamond princess behind me. it has changed dramatically when they are at sea a week ago dining at the buffet and enjoying the amenities on the ship. now 3700 people including 2600 passengers, they have to basically spend most of the day isolated and confined in their cabins. and the lucky ones have balconies, maybe windows. but there are a lot of people who are in these interior cabins that are cramped. they don't have any sunshine. they don't have a way to look outside. those are cabins that people are supposed to stay in for a couple minutes, change clothes and get back out and enjoy the ship. now they're feeling more like prison cells for these people. and they're going to have to stay on board under quarantine for the next two weeks or so. possibly until february 19th. we spoke with an american who is one of the people taking video.

first lthey learned that the number tripled overnight. and then we actually saw the moment when they got a knock on their door and she learned she's one of the people who is infected. this is what she told us. >> a little bit scared. hard to know what the future holds since i don't feel really sick right now. >> reporter: what's the hardest part? >> i'd say the unknown. i don't know what's going to happen an hour from now, tomorrow. for all we know, we could stay quarantined on the ship for a month. >> it is an incredibly unsettling situation for the people who are on board. because think about it. 61 confirmed cases on that tiny, you know, space. that's the highest concentration of coronavirus outside of

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president trump pulled no punches in that victory lap at the white house yesterday. here's a clip. >> first went through russia, russia, russia. it was all bull shit. then went through the mueller report. and they should have come back one day later. they didn't. they came back two years later after lives were ruined. they made up facts. a corrupt politician named adam schiff. lieutenant colonel vindman and his twin brother, right?

>> okay. joining me now to talk about that and a lot more is democratic senator sherrod brown. let's begin there and we'll move on to your op-ed and much more about the party. a number of your republican colleagues in the senate ones like susan collins, rob portman, john thune told us and other outlets this week that the president learned his lesson. nothing like the ukraine call will happen again, et cetera. did you hear anything to that effect from the president? do you believe they're right? >> as disturbing as that was, i watched it from the beginning. i didn't watch it live, but i watched it from the beginning a little later. and i remember the president of the united states, the former president walking making that long walk up through that door to that microphone and talking about killing osama bin laden and i just look at that. but what was every bit disturbing was the president talking that way and swearing and attacking people was the audience. the enablers because of their fear, because of their whatever

it is and they keep making excuses. and the excuses that you just cited, the masterful contrast you did in the former hour putting up, you know, what clinton did and what trump did. it just is stunning. you just shake your head. you kind of can't believe it. but he's got more than 50 enablers in the u.s. senate that out of fear, out of something that continue to play up to that. i would assume nobody took him aside afterwards any more than they did after the state of the union and said mr. president, you've got to stop doing that. >> let's get to the exception of mitt romney who is the sole republican to vote to convict the president on one of the counts, can you get to the why? because you addressed this in the op-ed. and you write, in private many of my republican colleagues agree that the president is reckless and unfit. they admit his lies. they acknowledge what he did was wrong. they know he's done things nixon never did. they know more damning evidence

is likely to come out. help us because you are a member of the senate. then why are you saying all of them are terrified? it's only about re-election? or all of them romney excluded? >> i don't know that it's all of them. i didn't talk to all of them. i talked to enough republicans, through the whole trump presidency but especially the last few weeks. you see the fears in the eyes of them. they fear fox television turning on them. they fear right wing radio going after them. they fear trump tweeting about them and calling them a name that sticks. they fear him coming into their states and campaigning against them. as i said in that op-ed in "the times" earlier in the week, it took me back to when i voted against the iraq war. it took me back to feeling that same fear around me where president bush convinced a whole lot of -- president bush essentially threatened he would call them un-american, that they

were soft on terrorism, that they were all of those things. unpatrio unpatriotic. and fear does the business for politicians. in this poignant and sad example i've seen in a long time, what happened this past week. >> all right. let's talk about your party and democrats. >> sure. >> and jerry nadler, chairman of the judiciary committee saying they're going to try to subpoena bolton. they're going to go after everything still when it comes to the president. john podesta's piece this morning in "the washington post" saying democrats must continue investigating the president. and subpoena witnesses like bolton, mul vaney, giuliani. is that where the attention should be focused? >> it's some energy. the real energy coming out of the house is a minimum wage bill and a butch lewis pension bill. and the net neutrality act. and to strengthen the pre-existing condition consumer protections as trump tries to

wipe them away. i mean, the house has passed bill after bill after bill that will clearly help strengthen the middle class health care education, wages, labor rights, sil rights, voting rights. all those things. and so they're doing their job. i don't criticize the media about this. i understand that you're all going to cover the investigations more than you're covering another bill that would help people's lives who pass the house and die in mitch mcconnell's senate. it's not like they can't do two things at once. but you all in the media are doing your job. every one of these republicans that voted against witnesses which i guess was 51 of them are all going to be embarrassed as all this comes out. whether it's congressional hearings, whether it's cnn reports, whether it's "new york times" investigators, whether it's just people on social media digging stuff up on whoever it is. they're going to be embarrassed and really look bad in history. and whether that looking bad is a month from now, six months

from now, five years from now is just inevitable to me. >> all right. few final questions for you turning the page here. let's just talk about iowa for a moment and what a week this was for your party, for democrats. your chief of staff said something about iowa. what is your takeaway about what we saw this week? >> my chief of staff grew up in southwest iowa not far from omaha but in the iowa side. she knows as many in iowa know that iowa caucuses were -- it was increasingly hard to justify the iowa caucuses to the american public to both political parties really. even before what happened last week just because it's an unrepresentative state of the national -- in the national body politic and the diversity of our country. and so its days may have been numbered anyway. now i think everybody says both parties need to figure out something different here. >> looking at joe biden coming

in fourth in iowa banking on new hampshire, we look at where he's struggling there. you said about biden, quote, i never he'd be the nominee. what do you think now after seeing biden's performance in iowa? and do you wish now a little bit that you'd gotten in? >> no, i don't wish that i'd gotten in. my not getting in the race had zero to do with joe biden. if he was going to get in and i didn't know for sure at that point. i just didn't have the -- one of the things that -- i think one of the reasons i won in ohio in a state that trump carries, is i bring a certain joy to this job. i love the senate as people that work with me know. and i bring a joy to the job and campaigning. sort of the happy warrior that hump fees used to be. and i think others like that. and i just didn't know that -- i just didn't want to be president enough to probably bring that game to it.

so i don't know. i don't know. i wouldn't want to bet on who the nominee is going to be. we'll have a little more answer after new hampshire. but when super tuesday, we'll know by the time the ohio primary of all things st. patrick's day, we will obviously know a lot by then. but i would assume this won't shake out until super tuesday. then we'll know. >> senator sherrod brown, have a nice weekend. thanks for being here. >> you too. thanks. along those lines, up next, a presidential candidate joins us with a major announcement. myww's been an amazing journey.

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well, questions remain this morning about who won the democratic caucuses in iowa. the republican side was much more clear. joining me now is former republican congressman and presidential candidate joe walsh. you saw there received about 1% of the vote in iowa. always a pleasure to see you. you have something to say this morning. >> e yeah, john, gad to be with you. i am ending my run for the president of the united states. i got into this because i

thought it was important that there was a republican, a republican out there every day calling out this president for how unfit he is. i want to stop trump. i believe he's a threat to this country. he can't be stopped within the republican party. nobody can beat him. it's trump's party, john. it's not a party. it's a cult. he can't be bate in the republican primary, so there's no reason for me or any candidate really to be in there. the party has become a cult. >> you thought there was some kind of an opportunity where you could convince republicans in these states. what changed? >> i didn't see how cultlike the party was. i mean, ten states around the country canceled their primaries and caucuses. the conservative made ya world, fox news and all the rest wouldn't give me the time of day. i'm a republican candidate for president. but they bow down in front of their king. and then out there everyday, john, talking to republican

voters i just became convinced that these folks have been fed nothing but lies and mistruths about president trump. and they can't be gotten back. >> so you're out of the republican race. what now? >> same thing. i'm going to do whatever i can to stop trump. i think this is one of those rare moments in american history. i'm a conservative. where conservatives and liberals, republicans, and democrats, independents and moderates got to come together to stop this guy. he's everything our founding fathers feared. so i can't stop him in a republican primary. but i can sure do my level best to try to stop him outside of a primary by bringing people together. >> so you're going to try to help elect the democratic nominee, is that what you're saying? >> any democrat. john, donald trump is a dictator. he's a king. he's literally the greatest threat to the country.

that tells you how serious this moment is. >> which democrat do you think you would be most likely to support? which democrat would you be most excited to support? >> i don't know that yet. i think it's an interesting field. and independents to encourage them that your only option as a democrat, it's not trump. it's not the cult. >> but you just said that the republicans that you were talking to didn't want to hear it from you. so what makes you think you could convince them? >> because a lot of people have left the republican party. so many people have left the republican party. john, he's got his core cult-like following that cannot be reached. but there are a lot of republicans and moderates on the margins. there are a lot of independents who are undecided right now. >> would you support bernie sanders? you're a tea party republican. and you're saying to me that you would support bernie sanders or

elizabeth warren? >> i would rather have john berman a socialist in the white house than a dictator, than a king, than donald trump. i would encourage, john, everybody listening to us right now. you got a democrat debate tonight. you've got the new hampshire primary. we've got to get engaged and pay attention to these democrats and find out what best democrat there is. >> you just told me that they didn't want to hear what you had to say. did you hear anything from them that indicated which democratic candidate the republican voters you spoke to or republican leaning independents might be likely to support? >> i think most the republicans i spoke for are looking for a more moderate reasonable choice. the name joe biden kept coming up. the name amy klobuchar kept coming up. but we could get to a point -- >> you gave up your radio show.

you gave up your income, your job to do this. you think you can get a job back on radio? >> i don't know. and i don't care. my job -- again, my job and i don't know what the format is going to look like is to stop this president and make sure he doesn't get re-elected. >> was it worth it? you have 1% in iowa. >> oh, god, yeah. if -- look. i think the republican party is a cult. i think it's breaking up. i think there's an opening for decent, honorable conservatives outside of the donald trump party. >> given that you are someone and you've owned this in the past, you even called barack obama a muslim, said a number of other things. what makes you think the democrats want your support? >> because donald trump is the greatest threat to our republic right now. and i think outside of the cult-like following, everybody feels that way. i encourage everybody to go to my website. i don't care where you are politically, the rest of this country needs to come together,

all of us conservatives and liberal and stop this guy. period. >> joe walsh, you've been through this before. i say this to all candidates running for office is one of the hardest things you can do. >> most difficult thing i've done. >> thanks for joining us this morning. appreciate your time. >> thank you. >> really interesting interview. now to a developing story. a potential staff shakeup in the west wing. cnn has learned that one of the president's most trusted advi advisers may be on the way out. so who is it? >> reporter: mick mulvaney who lost the president's confidence months ago essentially, he's not seen as someone who has a lot of power inside the west wing. and now eyes are looking to what is going to happen. he is someone who was seen. because of course they didn't want any additional chaos happening in the white house as they were trying to make sure that there were going to be witnesses in the impeachment trial. but now that that's behind them, poppy, the question is how long

he's going to remain in the job. and a lot of that could have to do with who it is that's going to replace him. so far the president has wanted the north carolina congressman mark meadows to take that spot. the question is whether or not he was willing to come to the job and do that. and the president is essentially waiting to see what happens there. because he doesn't want a remake of what happened last year when john kelly was leaving, the candidate the president wanted to be the chief of staff. that is how mick mulvaney got this job. which surprised not only mick mulvaney but others in the west wing. there's also another staff shakeup we could be watching as soon as today. that's at the national security council. you'll remember that the top ukraine expert testified in president trump's impeachment inquiry with those house democrats on capitol hill back in the fall. and lieutenant colonel alex vindman is someone who was on the call that the president had in july. now we are expecting there is a chance he could be leaving the national security council much

earlier than he's slated to. he's not slated to leave until the summer. he took the job in july 2018. he's supposed to have a two-year stint. but we have sources telling us he believes he could be leaving in the coming weeks. and of course that would be coming on the heels of the president fuming about the fact that vindman still works on the council and his jobs and duties have been significantly curtailed ever since he did go and testify. >> kaitlan, thank you for the reporting. you heard the president, the way he said vindman yesterday, right? when he was talking. thank you for the reporting. coming up, we have a cnn exclusive with all seven of the house impeachment managers. >> others have indicated they think the president's learned a lesson. do any of you believe that he would not try to do this again? >> their response and their warning about what could happen next. i feel like i'm losing my identity.

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so did president trump learn anything from the impeachment trial? some republicans claim he did. anderson koovper sat down with the seven house impeachment managers. they're not buying it one bit. >> ernst and alexander indicate they believe the president's learned a lesson. do any of you believe he wouldn't try to do this of this again? >> of course he hasn't learned a lesson. as we repeatedly pointed out throw the trial, donald trump is a serial solicitor as it relates to trying to solicit foreign interference in our elections. he solicited foreign interference from the russians. he solicited foreign interference from the chinese. at the heart of the scandal is that he tried to solicit foreign interference from the ukrainians to pressure an american citizen

joe biden to elevate his own personal political gain as part of an effort to cheat in an upcoming election. and absent any consequences to the extent that he perceives the acquittal as an exoneration, it's a fake exoneration. but to the extent the president perceives it as vindication of his bad behavior, his constitutional crime, his wrong doing. then there is reason to believe that he will do it again. one of our responsibilities, you know, moving forward is going to be as the watch guards of that investigation but we're also going to have to rely on the american people. >> the best indicator of future performance is to look at past performance. i can donald trump a habitual offender.

and then the day after the special support council on the phone inviting another foreign power to interfere in our election. then when he's caught, he goes to the microphone and doubles down and invites china to investigate the bideninsbidens. we have no reason to believe the president learned anything. if he had, perhaps he would have began the state of the union address the other night by apologizing to the american people. that what he did was wrong and he's regretful for it. we haven't heard that. >> you can watch anderson's full interview with the house impeachment managers tonight 8:00 p.m. eastern on "ac 360." all right. we saw something yesterday. might be hard for anyone to say i'm sorry, but as the president's celebratory speech yesterday proved, it may be down right impossible for him. >> john avalon here with a

reality check. >> that's right, guys. it's supposed to be a solemn situation. here's how bill clinton handled it. >> i want to say how profoundly sorry i am for what i said and did. >> and here was donald trump. >> it was all bull [ bleep ]. >> so to all the republican senators who hope that donald trump would learn his lessons from impeachment, not so much. but this was predictable. donald trump hates apologizing. apologies are an admission of guilty. it's a lesson from roy cohn who mentored trump in the '70s and '80s. he had a simple code. always attack. never apologize. and trump learned the lesson well. it is core to his combative approach to politics. and alec baldwin put it on "snl." >> are you trying to say apologize? >> tho, i would never do that.

what i am doing is aplegizing. >> so it began at the prayer breakfast talking about jesus' teaching we should love all our enemies. trump took to the podium and said i don't know if i agree with you and proceeded to question the faith of nancy pelosi and mitt romney. after that all eyes on the safe space of partisan reporters. it was angry, aggrieved, and very, very strange. even by trump standards. despite all the evidence the president stuck to his insistence that he was the real victim in all of this. >> we went through hell unfairly. did nothing wrong. they took a phone call that was a totally appropriate call. i call it a perfect call. and they brought me to the final stages of impeachment. >> but the real choice bits of bile were left for his political opponents. >> it was evil. it was corrupt. it was dirty cops. it was leakers and liars.

bad people. my opinion, it's almost like they want to destroy our country. >> this went on without notes for more than an hour. almost as long as his state of the union address. and trump's patented moves of deny, deflect, project were in full display. but there's a method to his madness. it will be amplified by those in social media until the supporters believe they're real. this is how the president drives disinformation while dividing the country and profits from polarization. so the man dubb ebe ebed teflon the mob boss also represented by roy cohn, he invokes family. and for them he offered that rarest of things. an apology. >> i want to apologize to my family for having them have to go through a phony , rotten dea

by some very evil and sick people. >> well, the word was there. even if the spirit was not. and that's your reality check. >> yeah. without the spirit, though, the word means nothing as you point out, john. and i will say that donald trump as arbiter of faith and prayer is something beyond rich. thanks very much. hillary clinton opening up in a new interview about her time -- all of it -- as first lady. doubling down on her criticism also of senator bernie sanders. that's next. at fidelity, we can help you build

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former first lady, secretary of state hillary clinton there, with ellen degeneres opening up about her husband's affair with monica lewinsky. joining us, karen finney. she was a senior spokesperson for the hillary clinton campaign. we'll go chunk by chunk but just your reaction to hearing that from her and the way she said it at this moment. >> i was pleased to hear her talk about it in real personal terms. i've heard her speak about it. this issue came up when she ran for senate in 2000. obviously it's a question that's been on people's minds. and from a personal perspective as a young woman who worked for her and worked for president clinton in the clinton administration, it was painful to watch because, i mean, imagine having to live out in public such a painful moment in your own life, in your own marriage and she really had to go inside and make the best decision for herself and her family knowing that no matter what she decided, she was going

to get attacked and criticized. >> to that point and it's an important one because it's not only that she had to endure this, right? >> right. >> it was the criticism of her for the decision she made, largely by other women. here she is reacting to that. >> so many women would be really upset because i chose to stay with my husband. some of the very same people who would say, i could never support her, would say literally in the next breath, but i love her husband. i love bill clinton. i do, too, but it was, you know, it was a really emotionally draining experience to go through it again. i hope that our talking about this, my willingness to address all of this, really does help other people. >> and it's notable. this is the first time in, what, three decades she's saying this stuff, not running for everything, not holding an office and you can feel that.

>> sure. absolutely. it's hard to talk about these kinds of issues no matter when or what -- how you do it. certainly in the context when you are running for office or in office. because you do -- there are some things you want about your family you want to have private. remember, chelsea was still a teenager when this was going on and she felt a real responsibility to protect her from all of this. but i think she's right that, if we're going to support women and that we all have to make our decisions and support our decisions, then we've got -- i believe we have to support her but this is a tough conversation. we all have friends who are in difficult relationships, and i do hope that people take some lessons or comfort, and i haven't seen the film yet, but i can imagine for -- like she said for both of them, what a hard conversation to have but hopefully a cathartic one and helpful one for people who may be facing these same troubles in their own lives and marriages. >> and in this upcoming

docuseries, it's not just her you'll see talking about this. it's the former president, right? he agreed to sit and talk about this as well. something else very notable is this question from ellen degeneres about her open and repeated criticism of senator sanders in the midst of this important moment in the democratic race. here it is. >> you are getting some heat for some stuff you said about bernie sanders. >> uh-huh. >> it must feel good that you can say whatever you want now. >> uh-huh. >> but you want to talk about that? >> you've got to be responsible for what you say and what you say you're going to do. we need to rebuild trust in our fellow americans and in our institutions. and if you promise the moon and you can't deliver the moon, then that's going to be one more indicator of how, you know, we just can't trust each other. >> all right. every politician promises the moon, but that aside, just different ways with a different price tag, are you glad to see

her repeatedly going after senator sanders? is it helpful for the party and beating the president or would you rather she not do that right now? >> i think hillary is speaking to her experience in 2016. i was, obviously, part of that experience. and our experience of senator sanders as a presidential candidate in 2016. i will tell you, i think it's different than the person i think we're seeing in 2020. i do think that senator sanders is a better candidate this time around. a different candidate. i think he's trying to be more inclusive in his campaign, and i think some of these issues, in particular, she was talking about there when he talked about free college in 2016 and she felt like from a legitimacy standpoint, you can't pay for that so we should be honest with people. we're having a different conversation in 2020. so, you know, look, i personally think she's earned the right to say whatever she wants. this woman has been so caricaturized and vilified

without really listening to who she is. but this original spr aal intert came out, she made these comments a year and a half or so ago. she has a right to her opinion. as voters and americans we have a right to our own opinions and we make a decision about who we're going to support. one thing she's said that's important is whoever the nominee is, this person will have to unify the democratic party. you can't assume everybody is just going to get on board. hopefully they will because they recognize how important it is to defeat donald trump but some of that -- a lot of that has to come from the gravitas of the candidate themselves. >> karen, thank you. have a good weekend. thank you to our international viewers for watching. for you "cnn newsroom" is next. for our viewers in the united states, we have breaking news on the coronavirus outbreak. "new day" continues right now. >> this is cnn breaking news. >> good morning. welcome to your new day. it's friday, february 7th.

8:00 in the east. alisyn is off. poppy harlow with me this morning. we have breaking news. brand-new fears of coronavirus right now involving americans on two cruise ships, one of which just docked here in the united states. we'll have more on that in just a second. first, this cruise ship docked in quarantine off the coast of japan, i should say. now has 61 confirmed cases of coronavirus, including 11 americans. both those numbers jumped substantially overnight. >> meantime, a dozen passengers have been isolated this morning on board a royal caribbean cruise ship arriving this morning in new jersey. that's right near new york city, folks. the cdc will be on hand to test for coronavirus. we have reporters this morning live from japan and from that docked cruise ship in new jersey. let's begin with polo sandoval. you just