tv Fareed Zakaria GPS CNN February 9, 2020 10:00am-11:00am PST
>> something must be going on. the president's acquittal, his state of the union address and more. >> i did nothing wrong. i'll talk about it all with the wry observer of everything political and political incorrect, bill maher. also last week president trump announced his middle east peace plan, with no palestinian participation. this tuesday palestinian authority president abbas will give his side of the story to the u.n. security council. i will get it first from the chief negotiator. and the crisis over the coronavirus in china. we will show you the extraordinary efforts to contain it. and finally, the world's youngest prime minister. she was sworn in recently at the age of 34. top ministers the majority are female, many about the same age.
does that matter? i ask her. but first here's my take. after the debacle of the iowa caucus, the old quip attributed to will rogers seems right. i am not a member of any organized political party. he's supposed to have said. i am a democrat. that used to be one of the party's strengths. encompassing southern segregationists and union members. today's coalition is much less ideologically diverse, but the central challenge remains, to bring it together and, the most worrying news is that the voter turnout was far below that of 2008 when barack obama brought people out in record numbers. the 2020 turnout looks a lot like 2016, not a year to emulate. many democrats have pinned their hopes for energy and enthusiasm on opposition to donald trump, to galvanize the party.
iowa suggests that negative energy is not going to be enough. pete buttigieg has pointed out every time democrats have succeeded in the last 50 years, it's been with a new generation figure who's not been marinating in washington for a long time. every time we've tried to go with the kind of safe establishment, been here for a long time kind of figure, we have come up short. jimmy carter, bill clinton, barack obama all won. gore, hillary clinton lost. dukakis, by the way, was an outsider who lost, suggesting it's a necessary but not sufficient condition. the pattern also speaks to something distinctive about the party. as the saying goes, democrats fall in love, republicans fall in line. the republican party remains a somewhat disciplined group of people focused on winning. consider 2016, when almost all the candidates running against trump believed in lindsey graham's words, that if trump were the nominee he would,
quote, destroy the party, unquote. but once trump was nominated, the party got squarely behind him. and today he enjoys a 94% approval rating among republicans. democrats, however, do need to fall in love. they need someone to energize them, come out in droves, and it needs to be someone who is a transformative figure, someone who represents a new way of thinking. the problem with buttigieg's argument is not that he's wrong about the history, but that his own candidacy, while remarkable and refreshing, seems to mostly inspiring older, whiter democrats rather than younger and more diverse ones. the person most attractive to young democrats remains bernie sanders. the problem with bernie sanders is obvious. the country is not nearly as left wing as he is. it's easy to get seduced by the way he represents a new wave, that young people are more open to his idea, we're entering a new world in which far-left ideas once considered
unthinkable are now part of the mainstream conversation. that same argument was made by jeremy corbyn and the party suffered its worst electoral defeat since 1985. and it's not just in britain. across western european countries, parties have gone from an average of well over a third of the vote in the mid '90s to about a fifth in recent years. e those who have succeeded in this environment have tended to be politicians who are fresh, authentic and can appeal to the center, france's macron, canada's trudeau. the democrats need a candidate who can energize the party's voters and bring together the left and centrist wings, and the evidence suggests no one has been able to do that yet. for more go to cnn.com/fareed
and read my "washington post" column for this week. let's get started. let's get to my interview with bill maher. on his tv shows, first "politically incorrect" and now "real time," he has a singular ability to analyze american politics with great humor. we sat down on the set, which airs friday night. hbo and cnn are both owned by warner media. great to have you on. >> always great to be with you. >> what do you think of this week for donald trump? >> i thought it was his best week ever, and most depressing week for me, as someone who is not a fan of donald trump and what he's doing to this country. it was chilling. you know, i knew when he did the state of the union address and stuck to the prompter, which i was very surprised, but we have seen that before, teleprompter
trump and then telly tubby trump is coming. he has a disease, a narcissistic personality disorder. it's a real thing. it was going to come out. whoever convinced him on tuesday to stick to the prompter was very good, because that's hard for him. he had 100 off-ramps that he could have do what he usually does. there was no looking at the prompter and then saying so true, like he had never seen it before, which he probably doesn't see it. but then thursday was so horrible with these veiled threats. com comey, we're going to see what happens. people will be in jail. that language. >> why do you think he never pays any price for that? >> because the worst thing that could possibly have happened, that we all feared and talked about, has happened. he's normalized. anything you see enough becomes normal. you don't notice it. he's in a great position.
the bad is baked into the cake. his fans either love it, because it's trolling or just him, and lots of other people are like, yeah, i know it's him, but we all know crazy people in our life. some of them function. some of them are in our family, and you just sort of accept that. and every time he's just this horrible jerk, i think a lot of people go, yeah, but that's part and parcel to be the strong leader. and he's getting things done. and if you didn't know the facts and you watch that state of the union, it was very effective. the showmanship that pulled out every stop, the medals, the marine being reunited. that's what he does. it's going to be hard to beat. this is a superhero movie of my favorite kind. this is the moment when superman is on the ground, you know, the kryptonite has weakened him. i don't know how we get to the end of the movie. i know in a superhero movie what happens. they always win.
but this is life. i don't know how we get to that place in november 3rd where he's defeated and leaves, which i don't think he's going to do. >> how do you cover somebody who's been normalized like that. surely part of the humor, you need people to feel outrage. >> yeah. well, i mean, it's not hard to point out the myriad flaws he has and the crazy things he does. it's still fodder for comedy. i'm not worried about the comedy. there's more comedy in this man than any six presidents. presidents usually have one thing about them. bush was dumb, we said, clinton was horny, chris christie is overweight. whatever it is. this guy is everything. he's horny, and he's a racist and he's a criminal and he's got crazy hair, and stormy daniels. it never ends with this guy. i'm not worried about the comedy. i'm worried about the country, and, you know, the other depressing thing about this week, his best moment, the
democrats just look like a gang who can't shoot straight or run straight. if they can't get their act together soon, it's going to be over before it begins. now he's got money and, you know, he's been president. as i say he's normalized to a lot of people. i saw 44% of democrats saying democrats are going to win. no, we can't. >> one of the things i was struck by, i had jared kushner on last week. >> yes, i know. >> he said don't forget 2% of the people who disapproved of mitt romney voted for him. 15% of the people who disapproved of donald trump voted for him in 2016. >> yeah. >> in other words people are forgetting there are a lot of people who do think trump as a character, you know, does lots of vulgar things they wouldn't approve of, but when it's time to vote --
>> that's just him. he is authentic in that way. you know, he's authentically an a-hole. in an age that's absent facts and a lot of education, authenticity rules the day. that's why bernie sanders also does well. he's authentic. i think that's why he wound up ahead of elizabeth warren. she came off looking less authentic than he is. >> you remember justin trudeau the canadian prime minister was sort of caught making fun of trump. they asked trump about it the next day. he was completely honest in the sense of saying, yeah, i thought he was two-faced. >> yeah. >> that, to me, gets to trump's authentication. >> yeah. >> he's not pretending. he doesn't play president. he makes this point in his campaign. i am the real thing. you have seen the real thing. >> he never makes a concession to what somebody else wants him to be. i keep saying here, in an age
where everything is completely binary, you're either red team or blue team, everything that a blue player does goes in the blue bin. and then everybody on the blue team has to answer for that. trump doesn't have to be popular. listen to what he always says. you have no choice. you have to vote for me, because he's saying, yeah, you may not like me, i may be crude, vulgar and horrible, but they're crazy. there's a lot of stuff in that blue bin that is crazy. people read it every week, just these things, the too far out left stuff, you know, obama said it, just people are just looking for -- don't do crazy stuff, don't say crazy stuff. we all get tagged with it. they go, yeah, i don't like trump, but he's right, i've got to vote for him. they're nuts. when we come back, i'm going to ask bill maher about the other side of the democrats. >> i love mayor pete. if i had my druthers i would pick him.
i wouldn't have said that at first because i was just going by the stats. i don't know his name. he's from a little town, he's 37. are you kidding? don't forget if you miss a show go to cnn.com/fareed for a link to my itunes podcast. 5g will change business in america. t-mobile has the first and only, nationwide 5g network. and with it, you can shape the future. we've invested 30 billion dollars and built our new 5g network for businesses like yours. while some 5g signals only go a few blocks, t-mobile 5g goes for miles. no other 5g signal goes farther or is more reliable in business. tomorrow is in your hands. partner with t-mobile for business today. ♪ tomorrow is in your hands.
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field. i mean, i have always said if biden is the one that's going to defeat trump, i'm all in for joe, but the more i see him, he doesn't -- isn't quite the same joe. i worry. i had also have been saying going into a general election, trust me, the republicans will make joe biden's ukraine issue, which is minuscule to trump's corruption sure. they did it with john kerry and george bush, john kerry was the suspect and george bush, the draft dodger, was the war hero? remember swiftboat, people for bush, all of that? i think that's an albatross around biden's neck, and he just doesn't perform well. i guess some people it doesn't bother, but it's starting to bother me. i notice at the debates,
everybody else is trying to talk over the moderator to get more time. this guy can't wait for the question to be over. i see the light, that's not a good sign. >> what about the others? >> i love mayor pete. i do. if i had my druthers, i would pick him. i wouldn't have said that at first. i was just going by the stats. i don't know his name. he's from a little town, he's 37 are you kidding? but i always say a case-by-case basis with age. he's wise beyond his years. he obviously has the energy with that age. he's not too far left. obviously he has some issues, you know, that people keep endlessly talking about. he's not catching on with the black voters, but it's still early. the way some of these articles write about him, he's not in the klan, you know? i don't think it's a problem with this enlightened, millennial gay guy.
give him a chance. >> to the left of obama on all his policies. >> there's not a non-progressive on the democrat side. warner, bernie, they talk about they're not progressives. they're all progressive, it's just those two are way far left. >> do you feel like you've adjusted? you've always thought of yourself as resolutely left wing. >> no, i was never a democrat. i caucused with them but i would go and end up doing something, i don't want to defend that. but when trump came along, i said, yes, there's only two sides now and i can't fool around. i'm with the democrats certainly until we get rid of him. i've almost always voted with the democrats, i didn't think they were great, but the republicans just got worse and worse. but i don't think people know what labels mean. >> but you are critical of bernie or warren on some of them? >> yeah. >> particularly on immigration, particularly on -- >> yes, i think it's bad politics.
i'm not for that much socialism. i always say capitalism plus. we already have a lot of socialism in this country, and i'm for most of it, like medicare, social security and stuff like that can i say a word for the but a wealth tax? wealthy, please? i've been very poor. i woke up with roaches crawling across my face for a couple years. i don't feel bad about having money. i can't remember the last year when i didn't pay over 50% to the government. california has an insanely high state tax. so you add the 39 plus 13. so i'm already giving you over half. and what i've managed to save after you already took over half, now you're coming after that with the wealth tax? we do have a horrible income inequality system, but yes, you can even threaten a good liberal like me. >> do you worry the democrats are not hearing this? between twitter and the
primaries, you know, all energy is on the left, but i worry the place where we win the election is in the center. >> that's what i've been saying. i must admit. i've been all over the map myself. like any democratic voter i'm looking at the field and make judgments as it goes along and thinking out loud. my mantra so far has been, yes, i think it's still correct, that there's so much room in the center that trump eventually will, i think, excite our base enough that if you just don't scare away too many people, like they did with brett kavanaugh, and maybe with impeachment. if you look at the poll numbers, impeachment didn't seem to hurt. i love nancy pelosi, but she always says he's wearing it for life, i don't think he cares about that. i think he'll make it cool, you
know, i was impeached, i'm a bad man. if you offer an alternative, a place for people to go, i like amy klobuchar a lot. i know people think she's not the exciting candidate but she has cred in her genes, because she's a woman. pete has woke cred just by being gay, but then the policies are centrist. that's a good combination. you have to unite those two parts of the democratic party. >> do you think there's enough energy against trump that it will be easier to unite these two parts of the party? >> i think so. i mean, i can't -- he's doing better than he has, but this was a very good week for him. you can always count on him to do horrible things in the future. as i always say to my friends who start going on and on about trump, please, your life is no different. in fact, you're probably richer. so, shut up until something actually happens.
i think this is the last year of normalcy and then, katy bar the door. people are not suffering, he hasn't gotten us into a war, and by some miracle he hasn't tanked the economy, but con men are good at con'ing. people have the belief that america is on the rise, people fall for that, and yes, things will be better, so a lot of it is a self-fulfilling prophecy. the stock market is always very psychological, isn't it? they're nervous when something goes -- and he doesn't have anything but confidence. so maybe he'll blow through the whole first term without any economic problems, and then you're very hard to beat because people vote their pocketbook. >> on that note, bill maher -- >> have a good week. we'll see.
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that's the damage inflicted so far by the coronavirus that crept up in china in december and shows no sign of dying down. the w.h.o. has declared a state of emergency. many international airlines have stopped flying to china, and governments have chartered flights to evacuate their citizens but the predigious state machinery to enact what is believed to be the largest quarantine in human city. in centers an wuhan in hubei province. there most businesses and schools are closed, highways are nearly deserted, public transportation has shut down and routes to the outside world are all but cut off. wuhan has about 11 million residence, but you would never guess that looking at the streets today. a mysterious disease began in late december when a doctor messaged his friends there was an infection in his hospital. the infection was believed to be
tied to a seafood market. wuhan authorities promptly shut down the market, but called the doctor into the police station and reprimanded him for disrupting the social order. the central government didn't take control until january 20th when it ordered the quarantine. in the days that followed gymnasiums and exhibition centers were turned into makeshift hospitals. workers and police were deployed to take people's temperatures as they entered public places and open shops. workers sprayed down streets and hotels, even people, with disinfecta disinfectants. the scale of the lockdown is impressive, but it was also delayed which accounts for the large widespread of the disease as the chinese news outlet reported. between january 23rd and february 4th, the official death toll in hubei province grew by a factor of 20. and included in that death toll
now is the doctor who first blew the whistle on the disease. faced with the hospital crowding, the government devised an only in china solution. it set out to build two new hospitals in wuhan in under two weeks, deploying thousands of construction workers using prefabr prefabricated units. according to state media both opened and staffed with military medical workers. the precautionary measures have spread beyond wuhan. many shops have shuddered in beijing and shanghai. macao shut its casinos. the response has become a matter the patriotism. this week an editorial in the people's daily called for a people's war against the virus, entreating citizens to rally around the communist party's central committee and xi jinping. this responsibility could probably only happen in hype,
but some of the strict liberty. early last month. quote punished, unquote, eight people, most of them doctors for rumor mongering because they were just spreading news of the outbre outbreak. still, these are unchartered waters. we should all watch closely what's going on in china and learn from it. the world is more connected than ever before, and so we are likely to see more of these kinds of crises in the future. next on "gps" the trump administration's middle east peace plan was hatched without any consultation with palestinian officials. i will talk with the chief palestinian negotiator about what he thinks of the plan.
late last month the trump administration released its long-awaited peace plan for the middle east. it was subtitled the vision to improve the lives of the palestinian and israeli people. last week i brought you the plan's mastermind and trump's son-in-law jared kushner. this week i'm joined from the west bank by saeb erakat, the chief negotiator for the
palestinians. let me ask you, what was your reaction to hearing about this plan? were you consulted in any way? how did it come about, from your point of view? >> to be honest me and my president watched cnn, like you did, like the nigerians, the argentinians, we saw president trump and benjamin netanyahu standing up, congratulating each other saying this is perfect, and i thought that a deal comprised an agreement between two seeds, so here i am listening about the future of the palestinians and my children and grandchildren without even bothering to consult me. i found out that mr. kushner took my job and made himself chief negotiator of palestinian, and then copied and pasted every single demand of mr. netanyahu and his colleagues, and then wrapped the agreement, and he sent talking points all over, asking them to share the efforts exhibited by president trump, and in the talking points to all nations, and he used some of them with you wher you, when he spoke the first
time that palestinians have a chance for prosperity, a chance to be independent, a chance which is all distortions and lies. >> let me ask you, fundamentally it does seem that the plan is premised on palestinian weakness. the argument goes, i think, look, the palestinians are now lilliputians in compared to the israeli economy. the arabs are more eager to normalize relations with israel before, particularly saudi arabia and egypt, and in these circumstances, this is the best deal you will get? >> that's what i call dictation, when you combine arrogance and ignorance, you have political blindness. political blindness is what is happening today and yesterday in the west bank, where israelis and palestinians are being killed and wounded.
the point is, i'm sitting two kilometers from the river, from my hometown jericho, on the mediterranean, i the christian and palestinian are 50% of the population. three men and netanyahu are 49% of the population. what are they going to do with me? judaism was never a threat to me, is not a threat, will never be a threat. judaism is one of the god's great religions. like christianity and islam. these people are so determined that this conflict is a religious one. this conflict, i say, no, it's not a religious one, it's a political one, a national one. it's a territorial one. kushner told you that he has the arabs with him, he has the europeans with him, he has the islamic countries with him. i was personally with my president in egypt last saturday, a week ago, and 22 arab countries were present
there. saudi arabia, jordan, egypt, emirates, qatar, nigeria, mo moroc morocco, all unanimously rejected the trump deal and said we will not deal in any way with this sham. >> they say all of this, but none of them do anything, none of these so-called allies of yours in the arab world are willing to put any pressure. at the end of the day you need the israelis to make the palestinian state, so is your only option to go for a one-state solution? >> look, my option is two states. i may be in the minority, i'm being criticized heavily by sticking to the two-state solution, but i know in the history that if we want to have
a solution, we must have a negotiated solution between us and the israelis. if we don't have -- that means this will be translated in the blood of my children and their children. and nobody else will do it for us. so my president will be on the 11th of february, tuesday, in the security council extending his hand to the international community, to convene an international body, an international conference. my president will present a provision, on the basis of the two-state solution ending the occupation, our peace initiative to avoid violence. we can do it, and we will do it. we have no other alternative but to live and let live.
i want my grandchildren to live like your grandchildren. i want them to be teachers, musicians, soccer players, whatever, and my job is to save lives. as a matter of fact, to safe lives of israelis and palestinians. the only way to do it is through direct negotiations, through two states, the state of palestine, side by side for the security of israel. this will happen. this will come. mark my words. we have no alternative, but the difference between those people trying to take us off track by the so-called vision of peace will be how many israelis and palestinians that will be killed. and achieve our end game of the two-state solution, which is the only solution. >> saeb erekat, thank you for being on. >> thank you, fareed. next on "gps," the world's youngest prime minister. her thoughts on women running the world when we come back.
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. in 1907, finland made history. women were allowed to vote. they have since broken more ground on equality, and the government is now a coalition of five parties, all run by women. four of the five women are 35 or younger. the prime minister is santa marin, at 44, it the youngest pe minister. i had the fortune to talk to her last month in davos. prime minister, when you became the head of government in finland, you became the youngest head of government in the world. what was more important, that you were the youngest head of government or that you were female and that you had such a
young cabinet, which was dominated by women? >> well, thank you very much for having me here. it's a pleasure and very interesting and a very important topic we are discussing today. actually, i didn't focus on the media attention so much. of course, it looks different than we are used to, but i hope that in the future, it doesn't get us much attention because it should be also seen as normal, that we have different generations, different genders to make decisions, because if we look at the population, there are different genders, there are different generations, so we need people from all backgrounds. >> but you said it looks different. but is it different to have -- a majority of your cabinet is women, so many young. in fact, do you think there's something different about the nature of the conversations? you've probably been in rooms
and committees which were dominated by men. do you think there is a different quality to the kind of conversation you have now in your cabinet? >> well, we started our work last summer when we formed the government and we changed the prime minister last december. so we do have the same program, we do have the same visions and we do have the same agenda that we used to have, but, of course, it's a different environment than we are used to. but i'm not the first female prime minister in leadership. we also had the first female president when i was young and growing up, so maybe it's not that big a deal in finland that we have women in power and a female prime minister. of course, it means something that the media and the global community is talking about it. maybe today it's something else,
but hopefully in the future it's the new normal that we have people from all kinds of backgrounds making decisions in powerful places. >> what i am trying to get at is there are many women who will say that a conversation that has more women is less, for example, conflictual, that women tend to be more willing to find a compromise or a solution that is more cooperative. do you believe that's true, or do you think that is, in its own way, a kind of gender stereo typing a stereotyping and that men and women, essentially these dynamics are the same whether there are eight sdmmen and two wom men and eight women? >> i think women making decisions are better because different angles are being
pointed out and used, so i think it's very important that you have different angles and different backgrounds in the discussion and also in the decision-making process. i think it's better for everybody. it's not only better for women that we have women in charge, it's also better for the men. actually, our gender equality minister is a man in our government. so i think it's very good that we have different perspectives. we need everybody on board. it's benefiting everybody, so we need everybody on board. >> prime minister, i want some advice from you. i think the u.s. in terms of percentage of women in its legislature, i think it ranks 75th in the world. how do we get it up? >> i think you need to make many decisions. we have had, for a long time in our law, that, for example, in municipalities you have to have
at least 40% of either men or women in the body, so you need -- i'm not sure about your legislation if you have something like this, but you need laws and you need structure that leads the way to gender equality. it just doesn't happen by itself. it just doesn't happen by itself. you need to work on it constantly. it's not somebody else's job. this is why i got into politics, because i realized that things just don't happen by itself. i have to work. i have to do it myself or my friends and people around me have to do it by themselves and we need everybody involved in making -- taking the steps forward that we will eventually have gender equality. we have lots of things to do also in finland.
but i'm sure why it is so that united states representation is so low when it comes to women. i just don't know because it's a developed country. you have to ask the u.s. citizens why they are picking men and less women. >> my thanks pho the prito the minister for that conversation. before we go, my book of the week is "erdogan's empire." this is my book of the day. it talks about the country's past and sheds light on the present. he is the most important leader in turkey and his brand of conservative national populism is trending worldwide. the phenomena needs greater understanding, which makes this book worthwhile. thank you for being part of my program this week. i will see you next week.
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hello, everyone. thank you so much for joining me. we are by city, by anchor today. i'm fredricka whitfield in atlanta. >> and i'm ryan nobles in manchester, new hampshire. we're just two days away from the primary, and they will decide who they want the democratic presidential nominee to be. >> the gloves are coming off. democrats are fanning across new hampshire this weekend, each of them making their case to be the next president. now there is a new battle brewing within the
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